Phillies Have Yet To Make Hamels, Victorino Available

The Phillies won last night but are still in fourth place in the NL East, eight games out of first and 4.5 back of the wild card spots. GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said he could be a seller if his team doesn't improve back in May, but in today's Insider-only blog post, ESPN's Buster Olney says Philadelphia has yet to put Cole Hamels or Shane Victorino on the market.

Olney says contending teams are monitoring the Phillies — as well as the Brewers — to see if they become sellers in the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. The Blue Jays have already inquired on both Hamels and Victorino, and you have to think almost every team in the league will check-in on those two at some point. Amaro could also market Juan Pierre, Ty Wigginton, and Joe Blanton at the deadline, though that is just my speculation.

Milwaukee could offer Shaun Marcum, though his recent elbow injury is throwing a wrench into those plans. He tried to play catch yesterday but things did not go well according to Todd Rosiak of The Journal Sentinel. The Brewers also have trade candidates in Zack Greinke, Randy Wolf, and Francisco Rodriguez.


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  1. mike melusky 3 years ago

    Cole Hamels would look good in an Orioles uniform.

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      if they trade anything substantial for a rental player the front office really is as bad as people have claimed.

      • mike melusky 3 years ago

        Amaro Jr. is an easy GM to fleece.  Xavier Avery and Chris Tillman might be enough to get the job done (or swap Tillman with Michael Gonzalez.)

        • melonis_rex 3 years ago

          but its a seller’s market. 

          if an ace gets made available, there will be plenty of lavish offers, especially from other AL East teams. 

          • LazerTown 3 years ago

            There would be a ton of offers made, Hamels could be a real game changer to every team.

        • Max Power 3 years ago

          Amaro may strike out in free agency, but his trades have actually been very good.

          • Dylan 3 years ago

            Not the Pence deal..I can live with the otherss

          • LazerTown 3 years ago

            The pence deal wasn’t the best, but he knew what he was getting, it hasn’t been because pence has regressed.

            The Halladay, Lee, and Oswalt trades worked out very good for the phillies.  They gave up barely anything looking back.

          • Dylan 3 years ago

            They gave up a top 15 prospect in all of baseball in D’Arnaud for Halladay, a top 40 prospect in Gose for Oswalt, a top 100 prospect in Jonathon Villar,and a very good OF in Michael Taylor…hardly nothing.

            The only deal that was a clear win for the Phillies is the first Lee deal.

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            D’Arnaud tore his ACL I think I saw somewhere…

            In hindsight, in the Halladay deal, I might have included Brown instead of D’Arnaud… but that’s it. (not a knock on Domonic but Franchise catchers are hard to find).

        • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

          Tell that to the Indians GM (the only trade he was patient with). He’s made some good trades and bad trades like every GM.

          The only aspect of being a GM he’s not great at is free agency… much too aggressive.

        • He wouldnt do that. He knows cole would be a hot commodity for a team that needs a push for the playoffs….Wouldnt listen to any offers unless it included pedro strop or darren o day

      • Casor_Greener 3 years ago

        That was the old front office

  2. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    -3 run diff means they should be hovering around .500, maybe a game under, and this is without utley, howard, and halladay. 

    there is no reason whatsoever they should be selling before very very late july, if at all. 

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      5 games under, and that was with halladay only missing 1 month.  Lee is still winless.  I think they might be better off trading some of their more valuable pieces and competing in a couple years.  They really have no good hitters, pence is their only middle of the order hitter, and he hits 25 tops.  And howard and utley will keep them from signing anyone of value.

      And fg has them at #20 in minor league system, so they don’t have a whole lotta value to get that middle of order hitter.

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      agree, but i’d take calls on hamels. someone might offer something crazy and if they do, you have to take it

  3. Max Power 3 years ago

    No need to market them now – the deadline is 5 weeks away, there are some guys coming back off the DL and it’s tough to be out of a playoff race to begin with. 

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      The potential haul could be bigger if they trade anyone now
      There is ~8 weeks of regular season after the deadline, if they can get a player 5 weeks earlier then the haul should be bigger, and if you are out of the race it doesnt matter.

  4. PClark91 3 years ago

    Exactly…. However, I do think the Phillies are convinced they need a change and will market guys, such as Wigginton, Blanton, Victorino for some bullpen help or offense. That’s not including minor leaguers who will be available, as always with Amaro. I don’t see them trading Hamels, and I’d be shocked to see them not re-sign him since they’ve got money to spend, especially heading to this offseason.

    • Shocked to see them not resign him…  seriously?  They have two other $20mil+ pitchers on the staff, and an aging lineup at virtually every position.  Not only do they need to put the $25mil+/yr it will take to sign him into other positions like 3B and OF, but he’ll probably get a 7-year offer in free agency.  That comes with huge risk for any pitcher, even one in the prime of his career.  And then what do they do with Ruiz shortly when he enters the last year of his deal as another aging mid-30’s veteran.  I don’t see them trading Hamels either, but I’d be shocked to see them resign him over other more pressing needs.

      • PClark91 3 years ago

        This team has a license to print money. They’ve sold out every home game since 2009, with increasing ticket prices. They’re playing catch with Hamels and his agent. No doubt he’ll be a Phillie.

  5. PClark91 3 years ago

    And adding to that, just because they ship someone besides Hamels doesn’t necessarily mean they’re folding. They traded Abreau in the mid 2000’s and nearly made the playoffs after they dealt him. I think the front office is convinced they need a change. And their bench has depth and expendable guys who are starters.

    • stl_cards16 3 years ago

      “and expendable guys who are starters.”

      who?

      • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

        If Domonic Brown comes back from his sprained Knee soon enough and continues the hot streak he was on prior to his injury, Victorino could be the expendable starter.

        I’ve always been a big believer in Domonic Brown. I think his plate discipline is needed in our line up. Utley can’t be the only guy willing to take a walk.

      • PClark91 3 years ago

        Victorino, Wigginton, Polonco.

  6. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    I still never really saw them trading Cole Hamels, given their desire to resign him to a long term deal. (I don’t think he wants to pitch in LA). It’d take a slight overpayment.

  7. nm344 3 years ago

    Phillies could really use a RHP reliever as Contreras/Stutes/Herndon/DeFratus all got hurt.  I can see them swapping Wigginton or Pierre.. or even Mayberry if Dom Brown comes back soon and shows he’s ready.

    • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

      The problem is, every team in baseball wants a right handed relief pitcher. Given the few sellers on the market, it’s going to be near impossible to acquire a bullpen arm without completely overpaying.

  8. nm344 3 years ago

    I don’t believe LA is really as flush with cash as many people believe. 

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      payroll is at $105M  No reason to think that they can’t afford to take on more salary.  They have a huge market.

  9. NYBravosFan10 3 years ago

    Oh how the mighty hath Phallen…How’s it Pheel? jk jk. In all seriousness, it’s not really all that funny when a team with such high expectations bombs like this. I can’t imagine how rough it’s gotta be on their team, the front office and the fans.

    • Casor_Greener 3 years ago

      Amaro made some poor moves

      • phillie_fan62 3 years ago

        poor moves? as in what? right now we’re struggling but this is still a team that won 102 games last year. and once the middle of our order is back our bench will be stronger and i’m sure we’ll add some bullpen help and then the division should look out!

        • MetsEventually 3 years ago

          As a baseball fan…definitely not. Utley is past his prime and Howard is losing is bound to lose his step (no pun intended) with all this serious time off. 

      • Seriously?  Name one of RAJ’s moves that the local sports media was actually critical of when he made it?  Not a single one!

        • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

          Cliff Lee to Seattle.

          The Missanelli’s of the world called the Hunter Pence trade “a steal.”

    • nm344 3 years ago

      Really? I would not be too quick to celebrate just yet.

    • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

      The double header on Sunday was pretty painful.

      I can’t speak for the rest of the fan base, but the team’s played to my expectations to this point, for the most part. The only disapointing thing is the veterans like Shane Victorino, Hunter Pence, Cliff Lee, and Antonio Bastardo, who continue to underachieve this year based on their past history. If we got normal performances out of all those guys, we’d probably at least be .500.

    • phillie_fan62 3 years ago

      still have a ways to go. do your takin in sept when the braves, mets, and nats fold!

      • Wouldn’t count on that this year.  It’s a pretty solid division.  The Mets were vastly underrated by the national media when the season began.  With a healthy Chris Young and Johan Santana they have one of the best rotations in baseball.  All five of these teams should win between 80-90 games.

  10. The only way trading Hamels (perhaps the least likely Phillie to be traded, of all the ones other teams might possibly have interest in) makes any sense to me is if Amaro is absolutely, without question, 100% dead to rights convinced that nothing he does will ever persuade Hamels to sign with the Phils for terms Amaro can talk management into letting him offer. Even then, he probably trades him to a team he knows Hamels won’t want to resign with, so as to get a second chance at him on the open market.

    Other players would make sense to deal. Victorino tops that list, as he’s quite useful to the right contender, we do have some potential CFs in our system already, starting with Dom Brown in AAA, and Vic is definitely going to want a longer-term deal than we’re comfortable with. However, I fully expect Amaro to convince himself that we can catch lightning in a bottle with $60+ million coming off the DL in the next month or two, and end up buying an overpriced middle reliever at the deadline, instead of selling.

    • JaysNesan 3 years ago

      There is no reasion for Jays trading Hamels or Victorino. Hamels will be gone after the season. Hamels will be looking a large contract that Jays can’t afford. Victorino will not be a upgrade to Rasmas. Jays already have Snider waiting for LF. If Phillies can’t keep three pitchers (Halladay, Lee, and Hamels) with over 20M contract per year, then they should trade Lee to Jays for d’Arnord and a SP.

      • Lee, Victorino and Jesse biddle for Brandon morrow, Colby rasmus and casey jansen 

        • uncanny_tuna 3 years ago

          Ha ha! In your dreams. Slight age discrepancies there, plus I have been extremely impressed with Rasmus this year and Janssen as well. Casey has really stepped up for the closer role after Santos got hurt and CoCo decided he forgot how to pitch.

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      They traded lee and later signed him.

  11. Wick Terrell 3 years ago

    Victorino would look quite nice atop the Reds lineup and in CF.

    •  billy hamilton in return would look nice atop ours

      • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

        That wouldn’t happen.

        Nobody’s giving up a top prospect for a struggling Victorino. Especially one two months away from free agency.

      • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

        hahahahahaha

    • I would take anyone of the reds bullpen guys…anybody is better then ours right now

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      anyone that can get on base in front of votto would look nice.  He seems like the only reds hitter than can take a walk aside from bruce.

    • PClark91 3 years ago

      Take him

  12. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Absolutely no chance of this happening, but Hamels, and Ty Wigginton would look good on a Braves uniform

    • NYBravosFan10 3 years ago

      I can’t imagine the load it would take to land him, definitely not worth it for a team that will not be able to resign him

    • PClark91 3 years ago

      You’re right, it’s not happening

  13. Zach 3 years ago

    Will impending free agent Hunter Pence be shopped?

    • nm344 3 years ago

      Only problem is that he’s not an impending free agent. 

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      He is already getting high in salary too for one year left, he is over 10M.

    • PClark91 3 years ago

      He has one last year of arbitration, and I have always thought it’s a possibility because he has more value than a guy like Victorino because of that extra year under team control.

  14. If anything they should be listening to offers for cliff lee if they do become sellers….I think the blue jays would bite on lee or hamels and victorino and i would want colby rasmus or travis snider in the minors and casey janseen or jason frasor. But time will tell and those things i want are no too realistic 

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      we get victorino you get rasmus.

      seems legit

      • stl_cards16 3 years ago

        Rasmus is on a tear!  Hopefully he is breaking out and this is not just another tease from him.

      • uncanny_tuna 3 years ago

        I would take Rasmus over Victorino any day. Rasmus is way younger, and has a much higher ceiling. More power too. He is starting to figure out this hitting thing and I think he’ll be a perennial beast soon…

      • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

        I’d do that.

        • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

          obviously lol, but jays wouldn’t

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            AA’s got to make a bad trade at some point.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            The Napoli trade doesn’t look very good.

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            True. Completely forgot he was a Blue Jay.

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      Depends, if they think they will only need .5-1.5 years to retool then they should keep him, but if it will be longer they may want to “listen”.  He really won’t bring that much in trade because his contract is already paying him 25M.  So unless they eat salary it will more likely be a salary dump, and if that they are better off just keeping him and hoping for the best.

  15. the best trade chip the Phillies have is Hunter Pence. they can get good talent for him. Dom Brown is not considered a prospect anymore…i’d give you Brandon Lyon and a bag of skittles for him…thats it.

    • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

      He’s not considered a prospect because he doesn’t have rookie status.

      • or because he sucks and has Never produced.

        • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

          Hamels struggled when he came up, Utley struggled when he came up, among others.

          He never got a true chance.

        • PClark91 3 years ago

          I’m not a huge DBrown fan but in all honesty, people expected him to come up and already show a groomed veterans skills, which is difficult for a 21 to live up to and with no breathing room considering the Phillies are a contending team. However, when he’s been called up he’s been aloof at best on the bases, and shows the lack to judge a line drive. His swing, when on is impressive.

  16. Encarnacion's Parrot 3 years ago

    I’d like to see the Jays swing for Hamels if they have permission to talk to him about an extension first.

  17. tomzig 3 years ago

    Clifton Phifer Lee will get his first win of the year in Yankee Pinstripes.  Where he rightfully belongs.

  18. MetsEventually 3 years ago

    How exciting! Phillies bandwagoners will finally leave MLBTR. 

  19.  I don’t live near Lehigh Valley, so I don’t see the Iron Pigs live very often, but reports I’d read indicated that while Brown was a terrible corner OF, he’s taken to CF quite well. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me that he’d be so bad in what’s generally considered the easier position to play, but he’s athletic enough to make it work, as long as he doesn’t do anything blatantly boneheaded out there.

  20. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    Centerfield is the easiest outfield position to play if you have the speed (which he does). The ball curves left/right in the corners, whereas in Centerfield the ball stays straighter. Reading the ball off the bat is a lot easier in Center, and that’s what Domonic’s #1 problem is.

    Domonic’s talked about how much he prefers playing Center Field and how much more comfortable he actually is there. In addition to that, he loves the added pressure of being the leader of the outfield.

  21. phillie_fan62 3 years ago

    from what i understand mpat15 is,  that playing center he was actually pretty good defensively. unfortunately right now he’s hurt. from what i’ve read he was seeing the ball better in center than the corner OF positions. i agree i played center myself

  22. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    It’s not like our current Centerfielder never does anything bone headed out there.

  23. rainyperez 3 years ago

    You’re assuming the other teams will falter like the Braves, Nationals, Cardinals, Diamondbacks,   Reds, and Giants. There’s only two wild card spots and I’m 100% sure the teams above have a higher chance to take those playoff spots than the Phillies do. 

    You are also assuming that Halladay, Howard, and Utley will return to form. Which is extremely unlikely due to the fact that they’re all a year older with Howard and Utley’s bat speed will likely be slower spending time away from the game. 

    Those ‘fake’ Phillies fans you talk about they’re just being realistic. The Phillies time is over if you don’t trade what you have its going to be a longer rebuilding process for the organization.

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