Blue Jays Inquired On Hamels, Victorino

4:10pm: A few weeks ago the Phillies called around to suggest they might be open to discussing trades involving Hamels and Victorino, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports (Twitter links). One executive says teams wouldn't have wanted to approach the Phillies about their star players at this time because it could be perceived as an insult.

8:04am: In anticipation of possible midseason trades, the Blue Jays have asked the Phillies about left-hander Cole Hamels and center fielder Shane Victorino, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Though GM Ruben Amaro Jr. has said the Phillies could become sellers and Hamels and Victorino are on track for free agency this offseason, no deal is close or likely. 

Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos asks about other teams’ star players regularly, but there’s a difference between due diligence and serious trade talks. The Blue Jays have reportedly inquired on Felix Hernandez, Michael Pineda, Gio Gonzalez, Jose Reyes, Alex Gordon and others under Anthopoulos without acquiring any of those players. Meanwhile, Amaro told Rosenthal that he needs to be mindful of the Phillies’ short and long-term goals.

“I can’t shut any doors down,” he said, without addressing specific trade scenarios. “You try to be creative. And there are a lot of creative GMs out there who have different goals.”

Amaro said he doesn’t expect to be a seller this summer. Yet he’s realistic and acknowledges he may have to take on a new role at the upcoming trade deadline. The Phillies have traded for Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt and Hunter Pence leading up to recent trade deadlines.

It's not surprising that Anthopoulos would inquire on Hamels and Victorino in my view. We know the Blue Jays check in on players routinely and there's no harm in starting dialogue early. This is a juicy rumor that tells us something about the respective styles of the GMs involved, but it doesn't mean a trade is brewing. 


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141 Comments on "Blue Jays Inquired On Hamels, Victorino"


Kevin Frazier
3 years 3 months ago

Hamels will not be traded,  Lee, Halladay will get traded before Hamels does!

3 years 3 months ago

Hamels WILL be traded because he’s a FA at the end of the year. The Phillies would like to cash in before they lose him. IF they lose him.

3 years 3 months ago

I gotta agree, with alot of teams who are still in contention by AS break their all gonna inquire on Hamels and the phillies will take the best possible offer for him. their not going to risk not getting him back in the off season with out getting anything in return.

MB923
3 years 3 months ago

And if Lee gets traded, how much you expect them to eat of his contract? I’d assume they’d eat at least half, if not close to it, considering he’ll be making $25 million I think the next 3 years. Although if he continues to have an ERA int he 1’s and 2’s, maybe they only pay a porition of it, but with his age and past injuries, I still think they’d have to pay a good amount.

Bombastic_Dave
3 years 3 months ago

AA isn’t “starting dialogue early.”  He’s testing for weakness.

vtadave
3 years 3 months ago

AA lives vicariously through himself.

He is the most interesting GM in the world.

vjo23
3 years 3 months ago

Wonder if Halladay would want to jump ship back to TO?

3 years 3 months ago

no lol

suhiscrazierthanyou
3 years 3 months ago

might have a better chance at the playoffs this year… haha

3 years 3 months ago

They could trade Hamels and re-sign him in the offseason

rdillon99
3 years 3 months ago

There is blood in the water and the sharks are starting to circle the Phillies…

WSoxCraig
3 years 3 months ago

“AA is testing for weakness”. I love how some of the Jays fans think every other GM is dumb. Not every one is Tony Reagins. How is Rasmus working out for you?

Shawnthemon
3 years 3 months ago

Better than Pujols this year, it’s a small sample size, I’m not worried about him still. And to get Rasmus we gave up 3 relief pitchers and a AAAA outfielder 

3 years 3 months ago

Rasmus is doing just fine.  The AL east has six or more top pitchers not like the AL west that has only Verlander.

Greengitters
3 years 3 months ago

Jays haven’t played their AL East rivals too much yet, though.  That starts next week.

WSoxCraig
3 years 3 months ago

“He’s testing for weakness” I like how some Jay’s fans think AA is god and every other GM is stupid. Not every GM is Tony Reagins. How is Colby Rasmus working out?

3 years 3 months ago

Just fine actually. How’s Rios and Dunn working out for you? See what I did there?

3 years 3 months ago

Awesome!

3 years 3 months ago

 you forgot zac stewart.

Calgary Skeptic
3 years 3 months ago

AA is checking in on these players because he wants to know the asking price for these players. AA likes to have a finger on the pulse at all times. This is no different than Walmart checking Taget’s price for a lawnmower.

jb226
3 years 3 months ago

Well, it IS different.  Walmart isn’t checking Target’s price on a lawnmower because they need one and want to buy it.

Does calling a team about players mean a trade is going to happen?  Of course not.  The details have to match up too.  But it does express interest in the player, it expresses a perceived need on the part of the calling team and possibly, depending on the response, interest in pursuing the deal on the other side.  

It also says something about AA’s mindset: both of these players are due to be free agents, so he either has interest in signing them or he’s thinking about making a push for the division (or both).

All of this means something.  Not that a trade is going to happen, but it’s surely not “I wonder how much a lawnmower is going for these days.”

3 years 3 months ago

They’ll trade him, if only to get something in return instead of letting him fold into free agency.

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 3 months ago

Or they will try to sign him like most teams would

3 years 3 months ago

* ring ring *

Ruben Amaro: “Hello?”
Alex Anthopolous: “Hey man.”
RA: “Hey, Alex. What is it?”
AA: “Hamels or Victorino?”
RA: “Huh?”
AA: “Just saying. Last place.”
RA: “What?”
AA: “Hamels or Victorino?”
RA: “We’re less than six games out.”
AA: “Sure, sure.”
RA: “It’s May. EARLY May.”
AA: “Yep. Gotcha. Talk to you later.”

* click *

Lunchbox45
3 years 3 months ago

meh

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 3 months ago

Lunchbox! Take down that “Meh”.

3 years 3 months ago

I picture it something closer to;
Ruben Amaro: “Hello?”
Alex Anthopolous: “Hey man.”
RA: What’s up?
AA: These are not the droids you are looking for
RA: Huh?
AA: Hamels & Victorino
RA: Who?
AA: You will trade them to me
RA: Yes, I will trade them to you
AA: Future considerations is all you want
RA: Yes, future considerations…
AA: And you will eat their salaries
RA: Yes, tastes good

jondogg2010
3 years 3 months ago

If Amaro was willing to unload Hamels and Victorino for their contracts it would have happened already, considering MLB players get paid like most people weekly.

3 years 3 months ago

You do know a joke when you see it dont you?

vtadave
3 years 3 months ago

Most people get paid weekly?

3 years 3 months ago

Actually, MLB players get paid monthly.

3 years 3 months ago

It only works on the weak minded……But he definitely has that mind trick. He got the Angels to take Vernon Wells….

NJgriffNC
3 years 3 months ago

No one is gonna say how HILARIOUS this is??  Outstanding humor, jaysbooster.

3 years 3 months ago

Thanks NJ, appreciate the support :)

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 3 months ago

“Schschshc” Brian Cashman cuts in BC: DOOM!

jondogg2010
3 years 3 months ago

Considering Lee and Halladay are signed to huge paydays, It’s safe to say Hamels can be had if a team is willing to part with enough to lure him away. That said, if the Blue Jays are serious about Hamels, I’d have to think Rickey Romero would be what the Phillies are looking for. He’s young, left handed and under contract for much much less than Hamels. As far as Victorino, the Phillies would be selling low, and I think if you cloned Rasmus, you’d have to make 2 (better) Rasmuses to acquire Victorino.

Lunchbox45
3 years 3 months ago

lol . yah a few months of hamels for 4 years of romero. 

Well done sir. well done.

jondogg2010
3 years 3 months ago

Funny that your low end comment recieved a ‘like’. But anyways I was saying that’s what it would take IMO for Amaro to trade Hamels. Never said it was fair.

Lunchbox45
3 years 3 months ago

you couldn’t be more wrong. seriously

3 years 3 months ago

Lol…his “low end” comment has 31 likes as of right now. Your original comment has 0. What does that tell you…

NJgriffNC
3 years 3 months ago

The biggest thing here is that AA is going to realize that trading for Hamels is futile, because Cole will not want to resign with Toronto when southern California teams will be gunning for him as well as Boston/NY etc.

Lunchbox45
3 years 3 months ago

if the jays are ready to pony up money, I don’t see why he wouldn’t choose toronto as a destination

NJgriffNC
3 years 3 months ago

You could be right.  I’m thinking though that if the Dodgers’ offer is in the ballpark of the Jays’ offer, which it most likely will be, he would rather go to back to California.

Lunchbox45
3 years 3 months ago

I would think the dodgers would first want to ink kershaw up and then worry about bringing in another pitcher.

 

3 years 3 months ago

haha, you seem to not understand that Romero under contract is worth more than Hamels in a walk year. 

Lunchbox45
3 years 3 months ago

Hamels is better, but trading romero for pretty much any pitcher is a pretty lateral move, regardless of contract status.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 3 months ago

I’ve got to think the Phillies #1 priority in any of these deals is to bring back a third baseman of the future.

Obviously Lawrie’s off the table.

3 years 3 months ago

Clearly not becoming a GM anytime soon.  I suspect, however, that any trade involving Cole Hamels will require the Jays to part with Travis D’arnaud.

jondogg2010
3 years 3 months ago

Ok, hypotheticals are fun, right? That said, this is purely hypothetical.

Blue Jays Acquire SP Cole Hamels and OF Shane Victorino
Phillies Acquire SP Rickey Romero, OF Colby Rasmus, SP Kyle Drabek and cash

Sound crazy? Because it is. Neither team gets better. Pointless.

Fstuffup
3 years 3 months ago

Obviously philly would get high end prospects back…

Lunchbox45
3 years 3 months ago

wow.

How do the phillies not get better in that situation?  Even Tony Reagins wouldn’t make that trade. just please stop.

3 years 3 months ago

The pointless part is you thinking that “if” and thats a big if, a trade would happen, none of those players from the Jays would be involved. Especially Romero.
Think something along the lines of a Hutchinson or Norris, plus a Jacob Anderson or Marisnick + another 1 or 2 high Ceiling prospects. Remember what Halladay was traded for? Think along those same lines, if not less considering Halladay was a lock to extend his contract, while Hamels is not.

3 years 3 months ago

Wouldnt be the same as Halladay unless the Jays can extend him, then the price goes WAYY up!  In a walk year, the price comes down.

Jaysfan724
3 years 3 months ago

Barring extension, Ricky Romero alone would be enough to net Cole Hamels because of years left and numbers.  Besides I would rather have Ricky and Hamels than Ricky for Cole.  Plus Ricky is at least proven to pitch in the AL East, who knows with Hamels.

johnsmith4
3 years 3 months ago

You are proposing “Winter Meeting” trade scenarios.  Keep in mind, we are speculating on “Trade Deadline” scenarios between a “Buyer” (Blue Jays) and a “Seller” (Phillies).  Typically, a buyer only moves a 25-man roster player because he is scuffling, in his arb years, and out of options.  As a result, you can only consider players in the “Adam Lind” bin.

3 years 3 months ago

They would be smart to think about trading them. Remember, they traded their top pitching and hitting prospects and others for Hunter Pence last year. If they truly do become sellers, I would suggest doing it to have for the future.

Jays4Ever
3 years 3 months ago

whatever Phillies give up in pitchers the Jays will have to compete financially with the Yanks who are desperate for pitching and winning. The jays not so much as they only expected to finish 3-4th. Our future success will be based on surprisingly good rooks not over the hill expensive vets. 
IMO

senior52
3 years 3 months ago

Inquire all you want.But do not trade Lawrie !!!

Jose_Bautista
3 years 3 months ago

Trust me.

Lawrie is as untouchable as it gets.

Jays4Ever
3 years 3 months ago

any quality pitchers coming available will be immediately picked up by the desperate Yanks. Our future will not be based on old over paid vets but rooks who will become old overpaid vets in time, if we are lucky.

bigpat
3 years 3 months ago

Wow, it would be awesome to see something like this happen. Though I don’t see any of them signing long term if they get dealt right away, Hamels looks like he wants to test the market. I’m all for different teams being active buyers at the deadline though, and it would be glorious to see the Phils waving the white flag. 

Andy Mc
3 years 3 months ago

Cole Hamels is basically Brett Cecil. Same guy!

BlueJayMatt
3 years 3 months ago

Is that you Wilner?

3 years 3 months ago

Phillies could be up to some tricks. Say they trade Hamels and Victorino for nice prospect packages at the deadline to contenders… Neither will sign deals with new teams so they still hit free agency. Phillies resign them on pre-agreed deals that are already done up. Phillies retain both their stars, same way they would have if they did in season signings, but now they have the prospects from the other teams also… Hey, it could happen?