Cole Hamels Rumors: Sunday

The Angels, Dodgers, Rangers, Pirates, Tigers, Marlins, and Giants were reportedly among the teams with scouts in attendance for Cole Hamels' start against the Rockies this afternoon, though keep in mind that a scouting presence does not always imply trade interest in a particular player.  The lefty didn't disappoint, dealing eight innings of one-run ball at Coors Field. The Rangers sent Don Welke, the senior special assistant to GM Jon Daniels, to Denver and Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com reports Texas wants Hamels bad. Here are the latest rumors on the prized left-hander with the latest up top:

  • Hamels doesn't seem concerned about his uncertain future, telling reporters after his victory, "That's the least of my worries."
  • The Phillies' forthcoming offer to Hamels is "expected to be in the ballpark that they know the left-hander will want, this close to free agency," tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.  I'm guessing Hamels would have his eye on a contract worth $23-25MM annually over six-plus years, if he reaches free agency. – Tim Dierkes
  • The Phillies are still "trying like heck" to sign Hamels, reports Salisbury.
  • The Dodgers and Phillies have had discussions about Hamels, but the Phillies aren't thrilled with the players they would receive in return, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. The Dodgers could become more aggressive in their pursuit with news that Chad Billingsley is suffering from elbow issues.
  • The Phillies have a scout attending the AngelsYankees game fueling speculation the Halos could be in on Hamels, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Heyman lists 10 teams that could be interested in Hamels, as well as the Brewers' Zack Greinke.
  • In the same piece, Heyman quotes one official who says there's a 30% chance the Phillies sign Hamels to a long-term extension.
  • Outside executives believe the Phillies will work feverishly to extend Hamels rather than trade him, writes Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Sherman provides three reasons for such a theory, including that it's harder than ever to land a commensurate package for a star in his walk year given the rule changes in the new collective bargaining agreement. 


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110 Comments on "Cole Hamels Rumors: Sunday"


johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

” harder than ever to land a commensurate package for a star in his walk
year given the rule changes in the new collective bargaining agreement.”

The master quote and what we don’t know.. the offers given so far for Hamels since any potential suitor for him will not get compensation and Philly will. Philly will want at least compensation of at least a 1st round + a supplemental choice and a potential partner may not be willing to offer that.

The new CBA puts a huge wrinkle into the trade deadline, especially for top 20% potential FA.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

Not really.  Mets landed a top prospect for Beltran and he couldnt get arbitration either.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

 Oh I understand that. Think Philly has some ideas that Hamels is worth more than a Zack Wheeler is what we are gathering. Now that is just me.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

He is worth more than Zach Wheeler. Pitching is a much more valuable commodity and the Phillies can offer Cole Hamels a qualifying offer. The Mets couldn’t get compensation picks for Beltran.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

That is the issue vs cost for teams now with the new CBA. I would think so also. How are GM’s evaluating the loss now when they cannot get a pick?

I would think if that is all they can get (Wheeler type) they have to hold on and take the picks.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

The Phillies might be happy to get a pitcher like Wheeler for Hamels with the new CBA.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

I think they would rather take the picks if they could only get one prospect.

They can still get comp picks. Another team has to out do a 1st rounder and a comp pick.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

outlier.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

Its not an outlier as its the ONLY prior example. 

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

except it’s not, so yeah it’s an outlier.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

So yeah why don’t you list some examples of top players that couldn’t be offered arbitration.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

It’s market price.

The Brewers and Phillies aren’t going to trade their aces without getting a blue chip prospect back. They still get comp picks.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 1 month ago

Hamels stated last week that he’s very highly unlikely to sign an extension before the offseason (unless it’s the Phillies).  Teams will bid (or not) accordingly.

Tmandolfan
3 years 1 month ago

I firmly believe that the Phillies will resign Hamels, especially after he completely dominated the Rockies today, showing once again just how good he is.

That being said, in the unlikely event that he gets traded, the overwhelming favorites have to be the Rangers and the Angels, who besides both having better farms than the Dodgers won’t want to face Hamels down the stretch and/or in the playoffs. Everybody else, including the Tigers, Dodgers, Yankees, etc are distant 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

It really depends. If Tigers say Castellenos is on the table for discussion, then they could jump to favorites if Rangers say no to Olt.

3 years 1 month ago

Rangers won’t deal Olt for a rental. Not when we don’t have to. In 2010 we didn’t have much of a pitching staff and most were really young, and all had zero playoff experience. Cliff Lee was almost a necessity. This season, Hamels is a luxery, not nearly a necessity. Texas has so much else to offer that there is no need to include Olt in the deal.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

I agree they shouldn’t trade Olt. But I also think Ruben will end conversations at that. They are in dire need of a 3B and prob. Won’t trade Hamels without one.

3 years 1 month ago

Luis Sardinas is a SS who they could move to 3B. I just don’t see any way Philly gets Olt in this deal. If we were at least getting him for a season and a half, definitely, but yea.
I fully trust Jon Daniels not to make a poor deal.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Phillies will have no interest in a guy 3-4 years away with absolutely no power. They have Maikel Franco who is a Better 3B prospect than him already in their minors. They want top level talent (AA or AAA)

3 years 1 month ago

That’s fine. I won’t shed a tear if the Rangers stand pat lol. If we have to deal Olt I’d rather shift talks over to Arizona.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

I think that is what they should do as well. I think it’d be foolish in the long run to trade Olt. However, if they did trade him, and won the series, fans could live with that I think.

3 years 1 month ago

Oh definitely. If you told me trading Olt to either PHI or ARI would win the Rangers the WS I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Problem is that Hamels, or Upton guarantee nothing.
In fact, I think it was either Lonestarball or BBTIA that did an article that calculated out somehow (Ican’t remember) that Hamels only gives the Rangers an extra 1.2%, or so, at winning the WS.

3 years 1 month ago

That 1.2 percent could be the difference…

3 years 1 month ago

What if what we need is 1.3%?

3 years 1 month ago

 And what if it’s 1.1%, and you don’t make the deal?

3 years 1 month ago

that’s just crazy talk.

sloppybones
3 years 1 month ago

 What if that 1.2% was the final strike of game 6 last season?… DUN DUN DUN

3 years 1 month ago

Except it wasn’t because Hamels wouldn’t be in the ‘pen. DUN DUN DUN.
The bullpenis good this year. :)

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 1 month ago

It’s nice to say the Rangers don’t have to move Olt and won’t move him for a rental but we don’t know any of that.  That’s certainly the first name off the Phillies’ lips and if he’s a must (as 3B is such a huge organizational need), then they might just say they’re keeping him.

3 years 1 month ago

If the Phillies insist on Olt being in the deal then there should be no deal. Hamels is really good, but realistically, it’s not like we’re getting a 1/2 season of Verlander, Felix, or Kershaw…

3 years 1 month ago

 Actually, the first name off the Phillies’ lips is probably Jurickson Profar. After Daniels and Amaro have a good laugh about that one, the actual negotiations will begin.

3 years 1 month ago

Well, it was the Rockies…without Tulo at that.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

The Phillies are not going to get Hamels as cheap as they got Halliday and Lee. He is going to get top dollar with whoever he signs with.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Lee, Cheap? Lol

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

Yeh, how much is he making per win.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Wins for a pitcher huh? Also, by your logic right now he is making about 23 million per win…not sure that’s cheap.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Lee is either the highest or second highest (not sure what Sabathia makes off the top of my head) paid pitcher in baseball according to AAV.

The only discount he gave was 5 years instead of 6.

3 years 1 month ago

Looks like the Phillies will appreciate not having to go 6 years.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Just saying he’s not cheap at all.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

I believe the Yanks and Rangers offered him more money than the Phils, so in that respect they got him cheap.

3 years 1 month ago

I think the money was relatively close. Yanks and Rangers just offered one extra year. Supposedly Cliff told the Rangers is they offered 6 he’d come back, but then when they offered that he upped it to 7. I guess it was a blessing in disguise. Texas would be handcuffed right now otherwise.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

He was stalling so the Phillies could up their offer. Apparently he was about an hour away from signing with Texas.

3 years 1 month ago

I think the Angels should give all their top prospects to the Phillies for him. Then he can get a nice home and get settled back in Southern California, before the offseason in which he goes to the Dodgers as a free agent.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

I agree, it looks like the Dodgers are in position to offer him a good deal in the off season, the Phills will trade him when they see they can’t sign him.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

144/6 years? That’s steep…but I want Hamels in Philly.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

I have a hard time seeing Cole Hamels turn down a 6 year $144 million dollar contract (or $138-$140 ish) if that is in fact the offer they’re going to make. If he does, I think you’ve got to trade him. 7 years $162+ million isn’t worth it.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

Hamels may think it’s time to move on, the Phils have been under acheivers since 08.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

They’ve gotten better every year since… If anything, they overachieved in 2008.

3 years 1 month ago

I say if Cole Hamels rejects any of those deals then he just wants out of 
Philadelphia period. Where would you rather be a millionaire and still play
for a contender? In his first home in Phillie? or his real home and close to
his family in S.California?

3 years 1 month ago

I’m not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, but the Dodgers would definitely be contenders with him.

3 years 1 month ago

They were saying on the radio after the game they offered him a 5 yr/$122 million deal, which he supposedly rejected.  I don’t know how true this is but it was mentioned on the post game, so it sounds believable to me.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

If that was Missanelli, I wouldn’t buy it at all.

I’d reject that offer too. He could get another $50 million on the open market.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Mikey Miss makes up things and usually has no clue about the business side of baseball.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Or anything really.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

6/132 really should get it done.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

I would say 6/150 is a starting point.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Starting point? Maybe for Cole. 25 per for 6 years is not a starting point.

He’s said to be looking for 23 AAV for 6 years…

Phillies starting should be 5/100 and an option for 6/125. That’s a starting point

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

If that’s true, Hamels will feel insulted, and he will be gone.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 1 month ago

So if I went on the radio and told you I was the boogeyman, you’d believe that too?

It doesn’t sound unrealistic though.

thesultanofswingandmiss
3 years 1 month ago

Hamels on the Giants? That would be fun to watch

Will32
3 years 1 month ago

The Giants were scouting Ty Wigginton.

HairScissors
3 years 1 month ago

Ive always wondered this… What if Cole gets traded, season ends, and then…. Resigns with the Phillies?

They get prospect’s for him , and then they get him back in return…. A win win….

3 years 1 month ago

yeah, that won’t happen again. you already did that. 

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

I doubt it as well. Obviously that’s the most ideal for the Phillies (and maybe even Hamels).

I still think that in the offseason they may take offers for Haaday. It would be a 1 year 20 million dollar ace with draft compensation. I’m sure the offers would at least equivalent to what they gave up if not more. (D’Arnaud is really the only prospect working out right now because of Drabeks injury)

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

If they trade him, it’s because they can’t sign him.

3 years 1 month ago

He’ll probably be a Dodger after this Winter anyway.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Your farm system doesn’t have what it would take to land Hamels.

thebigbangdito
3 years 1 month ago

not necessarily.. if a team trades for him other than the dodgers and gives up all those prospects for him that phils want, they would probably require him to sign an extension with that team

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 1 month ago

Most overstated storyline of the trade deadline.

Yes, the Dodgers have money but that doesn’t set them apart from anything.  Hamels sees himself as more of an east coast guy at this time in his career and wants to play in a more intense environment.  If LAD backs up the Brinks truck then they can certainly get him, but this isn’t some situation where the player desperately wants to go home.  And for that matter, “home” is San Diego, not LA.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Cowart would be in the deal.

3 years 1 month ago

It will be delightful when all that payroll would come back to kick them in the ___.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Not gonna happen. If he’s traded, he will 100% be a FA after the year.

3 years 1 month ago

I’m a Rangers fan and I’m positive if Texas traded for him he’d jet out after the playoffs.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

He’s not going to discuss an extension in season with anyone other than the Phillies.

thebigbangdito
3 years 1 month ago

agree… if and only if he signs long term

3 years 1 month ago

Luis Jimenez is no blue chipper, but he’s not a bad 3B prospect.

3 years 1 month ago

That might not rule out the other “Los Angeles” team, however.

3 years 1 month ago

Looks like my reply to you was deleted, maybe because I linked to another story? Anyways, Cole Hamels recently said in an interview that playing for the Dodgers would be like “coming home”. He mentions that he loves playing on the West Coast and that playing in LA would be more of a homecoming than playing for the Padres. I don’t think anything is being overstated there.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Still not as overrated as Lee as a Yankee.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Again, he’s not signing an extension unless it’s in Philly. If not, he’ll test the market.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 1 month ago

Never claimed it would.  I was just going against the “Hamels is as good as a Dodger” sentiment that some rely on.

3 years 1 month ago

Does that matter over who’s got the best stuff at this point in time? No

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

I’d take all three of those guys over Cole Hamels and he’s probably my favorite player.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
3 years 1 month ago

I’m really not sure why Verlander being a “10” makes Hamels as a “9” somehow not a highly treasured piece.  And his numbers are as good/better then the other 2 you mentioned.

3 years 1 month ago

NL v AL: Hamels comes over to the AL his ERA will go up. AJ Burnett goes to the NL and becomes a CY candidate.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

AJ pitched better in TOR than Pittsburgh.

3 years 1 month ago

I embelished saying CY candidate, but he’s having his best year since being with Florida.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Not what he said.

He was asked if he’d play for the Dodgers, to which he said, it would be like coming home. It’s the only “home” team he would pitch for because he knows the Padres aren’t a winning organization. He said he likes pitching on the West Coast because his numbers are great against the NL and AL West.

The guy was a Padres fan… so it wouldn’t be more of a home coming.

darkdonnie
3 years 1 month ago

Please post the article where he said that? I can post articles where he says Philadelphia is his home (year round) and he considers te east cost his home now. I can also post interviews where he says he wants to pitch for an East Coast team because nothing compares to how into the game the fans are over here(NY, Bos etc).

3 years 1 month ago

You just contradicted yourself in the same comment. You said the same thing I did, but in different words, that he said playing for the Dodgers would be like “coming home.” You then wrote the exact opposite saying that playing for the Padres would be more of a home coming. I’m confused.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

I agree, Cole will make the most money and be abel to pick the team he wants to play for by becoming a FA.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

Both the Dodgers and Angels have the money and need more pitching to get on top in their division. I would think they both will make a run a Hamels. We will know by next week whether Hamels is going to sign with the Phils. Once that happens, the other pitchers like Garza, Greinke, and Dempster will be next.

3 years 1 month ago

Last time I posted a link my comment was deleted. I can say it was with CSN Philly about a week ago, just google it. But here’s what he said when asked about playing for the Dodgers:
“It’s going home, I mean, that’s pretty much it. I know the West Coast really well.  I pitch really well on the west coast. I think it’s appealing to every player when they’re growing up that, one day, hoping they can play in the major leagues, it’s always to play for your home team. Even though the Padres were obviously the home team I grew up with, the Dodgers were kind of there neck and neck, so I think that’s the closest home team I would ever get to.”

thebigbangdito
3 years 1 month ago

 i agree… except we could see dempster move first

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

No I didn’t.

His home coming is Southern California. His roots are in San Diego. You’re not understanding me. Which is fine.

He would never play for the Padres which is why he said playing for the Dodgers would be like “coming home” because he never will play for his hometown team.

darkdonnie
3 years 1 month ago

If The Phils offered him 6 years he’d be signed… Think hed do 5 years with a 6 year option considering he wants to return. Fact is The Phils lowballed him to start. Amaro completely screwed up the negotiation. I think The Phils are throwing out damage control now with these “substantial offer” reports. This will cover them when he walks and signs with Boston or Texas in the offseason.

If they come in with a 5 year contract with a 6 year option he’ll likely be signed by next weekend. I’m just not sure I believe the reports

Ferrariman
3 years 1 month ago

7 years for a pitcher is a recipe for disaster.  

darkdonnie
3 years 1 month ago

We’ll see I guess. I’m confident he’d sign 5-6 year deal with The Phils

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 1 month ago

It doesn’t even have what it takes to land his jockstrap.

3 years 1 month ago

And the ones that do, aren’t trading for Hamels. 

3 years 1 month ago

I think it’s really funny that you believe Verlander and Felix might cave under pressure.

3 years 1 month ago

That would be perfectly fine. I hope they do just keep him in that case.

BK
3 years 1 month ago

No chance the Angels send more than Segura and another asset for two months of a soon to be 22m pitcher with zero compensation coming if he jets.

gnats
3 years 1 month ago

 Is there any reason they shouldn’t, though?  Lewis was basically given a DL stint to get some rest, Ogando and Uehara will rejoin the team tomorrow after dominating their rehab appearances, and Lowe & Feliz are kind of fringe guys anyway (in that, Feliz’ spot was already replaced by Oswalt, so I doubt he will resume starting unless someone else goes down).

Yea one of them could all of a sudden tank, but that’s the case with any pitcher on any team at any time.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Because he’s going to get signed.

3 years 1 month ago

To be fair to Justin, he did face the Yankees and Rangers’ offense.
I think Felix would be completely lock down though.

3 years 1 month ago

see: Zack Greinke lol

3 years 1 month ago

And if he doesn’t get extended? You going to turn down LA’s package then?

3 years 1 month ago

Please read the quote from above. K thanks.

3 years 1 month ago

Against NY and TEX…not scrubs at all.