Marlins, Orioles Talking Trades

The Marlins and Orioles are discussing trade scenarios, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports (on Twitter). Miami is "knee deep" in trade talks and could complete a blockbuster in the next 24 hours, Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network Radio reports (on Twitter).

The Marlins, who sent Anibal Sanchez and Omar Infante to Detroit yesterday, have also had teams inquire on Hanley RamirezCarlos LeeJosh Johnson,Ricky Nolasco and Randy Choate. The Orioles are known to be seeking pitching and corner infield help. It wouldn't be surprising to see Baltimore pursue Ramirez or Johnson, since either player would have an impact in 2012 and on next year's team.


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64 Comments on "Marlins, Orioles Talking Trades"


StanleyHudson
3 years 1 month ago

At this time in the season anyone could say “team A and team B are talking trades” totally vague statement by Cafardo.

Tim
3 years 1 month ago

PLEASE tell me that this is for real! Hanley and Johnson to Bmore! Please be real.

Remember92
3 years 1 month ago

Would a team be willing to pay the price for Josh Johnson if it meant taking on Hanley as well and giving up the necessary return for both??? Because it really seems like the Fish want to be done with Han ram in the worst way… And too many teams covet JJ for good reason

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 1 month ago

I can see the O’s making a deal to get Nolasco, and one of Lee or Ramirez. hope this trade develops more and some details get leaked to us.

Rabbitov
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t see a single scenario where the O’s end up with Lee.

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
3 years 1 month ago

1 Blockbuster a day everyday is all we ask 😉

slyfox1908
3 years 1 month ago

Would Hanley return Machado? Would Johnson return Bundy?

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

No, but both should get them Machado. Can’t see them trading Bundy for anyone.

Bleed_Orange
3 years 1 month ago

No and no

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

no

mmille32
3 years 1 month ago

Given the drop in production, massive salary for the next two+ years, and general clownish behavior, I’d say Hanley has negative trade value. And Josh Johnson, as good as he has been in the past, is having a down year, coming off an injury, and is owed $13MM next year. So, I’d say there is roughly a zero percent chance the O’s trade Machado, the No.3 prospect in all of baseball, for those two guys.

melonis_rex
3 years 1 month ago

no and no.

DerekJeterDan
3 years 1 month ago

This must involve Hanley Ramirez.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

Where are all the deals today? Yesterday is ruining my afternoon!

baybombers
3 years 1 month ago

yes need to see some deals soon, yesterday was a little appetizer. We need some main course deals

Trenton Craig
3 years 1 month ago

Hanley would solidify 3rd base.. Not sure I want to see Josh in Orange. He’s inconsistent and is not doing well this year so far.

3 years 1 month ago

Solidify 3rd??? He is just as inconsistent as JJ is (offensive numbers are down and defense is poor)…

Trenton Craig
3 years 1 month ago

He’s having a better year than Betemit, and he has had a better overall career.. he’s a career .300 hitter, and a slightly better fielding percentage than Wilson. he’s also faster. Wilson has seen most of his time at 3rd over anyone else since Reynolds got sent to 1st.

3 years 1 month ago

Having a better year than Betemit does not deam Hanley as a “solid” 3B. Hanley’s offensive and defensive numbers have slipped tremendously the last 2 years…. It doesnt matter now, with Hanley going to the dodgers, and i understand that Betemit is not ideal neither, but you (the O’s) would be better off looking elsewhere.

Carl Langley
3 years 1 month ago

You are talking about Josh Johnson and not Hardy right? Hardy is as solid as they come when it comes to defense….

3 years 1 month ago

you are correct – Josh Johnson (injury history equates to inconsistent numbers).

3 years 1 month ago

A change of scenery can do wonders for a player.

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

Scott Boras, is that you?

Rabbitov
3 years 1 month ago

and coming back from injury . . .

3 years 1 month ago

Josh johnson and/or hanley ramirez to the orioles would be amazing if the deal doesn’t include manny machado and dylan bundy. I’m not sure if it’d be possible to get both of them but either JJ or hanley would be an upgrade for the birds. Baltimore would have to give up Arrieta/matusz, xavier avery and jonathon schoop.

Rabbitov
3 years 1 month ago

They might have a shot at JJ if the Orioles take all of the Hanley contract.

3 years 1 month ago

Would Matusz and Schoop be enough for Hanley?

Fifty_Five
3 years 1 month ago

That’s where I’d start but I can’t see this happening without Miami throwing up cash

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

-0- chance of that. Loria isn’t going to add cash to any deal. he won’t even pay his own people he has. Why trades them all off in the 1st place.

3 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t mind throwing in xavier avery too..LJ hoes isn’t too far from being ready so we would still have someone in the farm league who could come up and play left

Bleed_Orange
3 years 1 month ago

Hanley, JJ, and Bell for Gregg, Reynolds (these two just to offset money) Matusz, Schoop, Hoes, and Avery

OrangeCards
3 years 1 month ago

I’d really like to hold on to one of Avery or Hoes … I’d throw in another young arm like Parker Bridwell.

ARod's Ring
3 years 1 month ago

Are you living in fantasy land? the Marlins are trading their 2 stars in a single trade for those below average players.

Bleed_Orange
3 years 1 month ago

Hanley is an underpreforming player with an attitude problem. He has not looked like a star in 2 years and his D has gotten worse. On top of all of that he is expensive. JJ has not looked steller this year and has a long injury history. And I suggested the O’s take on ALL of Bells contract which has ben a disaster. Schoop and Hoes are above average prospects. Matusz was a blue chip prospect that needs a change. Avery has shown he is ML acceptable.

davbee
3 years 1 month ago

Fine. Then you obviously don’t want them on the Orioles since they’re such poor players.

Bleed_Orange
3 years 1 month ago

No with Reynolds at third and a revolving door of pitchers I would love to have them. I am just pointing out the flaws in why getting a HUGE return is less likely.

ARod's Ring
3 years 1 month ago

If Hanley is a underporming player with attitude problems, and JJ has a long injury history, plus Bell is a disaster. then why do you want them on the Orioles?! Oh the potential! Oh because you know there’s a big chance that they turn it around. on the other hand those Orioles players have never had any big success in the majors.

What about this trade? The Yankees should trade Eduardo Nunez, David Phelps and Joba for Manny Machado. he’s clearly a bust as he’s batting .252 in double A, after hitting .257 last season in the minors. (sarcasm) see your logic.

Bleed_Orange
3 years 1 month ago

That is not my logic at all. I am just pointing out that Hanley does not have the same value as he once did and to expect a package of blue chip prospects at this point is not going to happen. My thought process was that the O’s eat money in contracts the Marlins clearly do not want to compensate for a little lower return in talent. And there is a reason those “other” players have not had big success in the majors being that they are prospectswho have not gotten to the majors. Matusz who I said needed a change of scenery is the only one with ML experence and he was the number 4 prospect in all of baseball 2 years ago.

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

Can you blame him? Every Oriole fan would love to get rid of their bust prospects and get proven stars in return. Orioles management is too inept to get it done tho. The Marlins will get ripped off, but by a much smarter FO like Rangers or maybe the Braves.

Carl Langley
3 years 1 month ago

No way Bundy is traded. I know the Orioles said Machado was untouchable but I could see him going to Florida if Hanley and JJ were both involved. How about Hanley, JJ, and Nolasco for Machado, Matusz, Xavier Avery, Bridwell, and a low level prospect.

Carl Langley
3 years 1 month ago

Wouldn’t be surprised is Mark Reynolds is involved in this somehow to alleviate the two big contracts from Miami

rsanchez1
3 years 1 month ago

Please let this be ONLY Hanley.

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

I really don’t see them trading with the Orioles. Orioles fans will want them in exchange for their pitching prospects that the organization has ruined like Matusz and Arrieta and Tillman but no team is gonna want those guys.

ARod's Ring
3 years 1 month ago

Here we go… People want top talents to head to their teams but don’t want to give anything of value.

rainyperez
3 years 1 month ago

I think Garza has to be traded first before Greinke to see his value increase. One thing that doesn’t help his cause is the whole, “he needs to recharge his batteries” thing.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

JJ is a potential top of the rotation type SP under control for next year, Grienke is a 2 month rental many teams are leary of being able to pitch in their respective markets for those 2 months even and nobody would prefer the stuff grienke brings to the game over what JJ does.. 95+ FB into the late innings.. It’s his health more than anything..

Grienke is good, but JJ will draw a LOT more in any trade than Grienke..

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Stop with Greinke stuff. His stock can only rise if he proves he’s healthy and still is pitching well. At this point, they aren’t getting much for him.

schellis
3 years 1 month ago

I think that “recharge his batteries” thing and the fact that he’s had major issues with it in the past will scare of a lot of larger market teams. Greinke needs to find a team that is in a smaller market, or at least one where baseball isn’t king, where he can be the number 2 or 3 starter and the team is competitive.

I think he’d honestly work out well for the Dodgers with the Lakers and Kings success and the fact that he’d slot behind Kershaw I think it would take a lot of pressure off of him. If he went to a team like the Yankees or Red Sox I think he’d make AJ Burnett’s time with the Yankees look ace worthy.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

Not worried so much about his performance this season, have watched most of his starts and he hasn’t been that bad in many of them. his velocity hasn’t been as high as it normally sits in all of them.. Possibly could be an issue there with a nagging injury that *could* be a problem as some of his starts he hasn’t been operating in the upper 90’s.

If I was a team? Would be looking at JJ as the next, under the radar BIG grab, much like his team mate Sanchez was snapped up by Detroit yesterday and Sanchez went for a (IMO) discounted rate for what he brings to the table.. 3 pitches, good slider and 93-5mph FB and should slide ahead of Scherzer as the #2 on the Tiger staff once Leyland sees how good he really is.

Now.. Nolasco?? I foresee doom if he moves to the AL. his curve isn’t going to save him, too hit and miss and that straight 93-4mph FB just won’t cut it.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

He’s an ace, the only ace on the market, he doesn’t need to find a place where he is a number 2. And it is laughable you think he would struggle with the yankees.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

perfect trade for texas, pretty terrible for milwaukee, getting 2 non top 50 guys for a top 10 pitcher

Tim
3 years 1 month ago

exactly… Hanley is at $16M and JJ is at $13M. That’s alot of dough. You can’t take a salary dump AND give up the farm.

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

I meant like JJ and Hanley for Machado

schellis
3 years 1 month ago

Ace’s don’t need to recharge their batteries when their teams are barely hanging on to their playoff hopes. Greinke while a great pitcher has also been horrible in both Yankee Stadiums. While the sample size is admittedly small the Yankee brass as felt the same things I have about him.

DempseyK
3 years 1 month ago

I like Machado, as does everyone, however, The Orioles would need to give up more for Han Ram and JJ, especially is the Fish are willing to eat the majority of Han Rams contract.

not_brooks
3 years 1 month ago

Have the Marlins ever eaten salary in a trade?

OrangeCards
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t see the Orioles trading away either of those two for a *shot* at a 163rd game … I don’t think it’d be wise, anyway.

OrangeCards
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah, I don’t see that happening either … They’ll take lesser prospects I’m guessing.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

That one was baffling.. WHY move Infante and he was popular AND underpaid?? I understand they wanted Turner, got a catcher who is maybe another year or so away the team direly needs, but really?? they got little in the way of return, other than Turner for a GOOD sanchez and Infante, both making little money this year and as you mentioned, Infante next.

Meh Sheep
3 years 1 month ago

2+ months of a top 10 pitcher and no comp picks at the end of the season.

Rabbitov
3 years 1 month ago

For funsies.

Rabbitov
3 years 1 month ago

What was the hand cut infection thing?

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

He’s one of the ten best pitchers in the game, if he isn’t an ace than there is less than 7 aces in the majors simply put.

3 years 1 month ago

He cut his hand punching a cooling fan and then he didn’t take his meds and missed a couple of games due to infection