Olney On Upton, Young, Wilson

Buster Posey has a legitimate chance at the NL MVP this year, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney writes. Posey has 20 home runs and a .327/.402/.531 batting line with nearly six wins above replacement (5.8 according to FanGraphs, 5.5 according to Baseball-Reference). Here are more of Olney’s notes from the NL West…

  • Rival executives expect the Diamondbacks to trade Justin Upton this winter, Olney reports. Some team officials believe the Diamondbacks will also trade center fielder Chris Young, possibly for a shortstop. Young earns $8.5MM next year and his contract includes an $11MM club option for 2014, so he'd represent a more affordable alternative to free agents such as B.J. Upton, Michael Bourn and Shane Victorino. Arizona could then enter the 2013 season with a projected outfield of Gerardo Parra, Jason Kubel and Adam Eaton.
  • Olney suggests the Giants will move on from Brian Wilson this offseason. Wilson, who appeared in two games this year before undergoing Tommy John surgery, will be arbitration eligible this coming offseason. He’ll be expensive if the Giants tender him a contract, as he earned an $8.5MM salary in 2012. It’d make sense for the Giants to see if there’s trade interest in the 30-year-old, Olney writes.


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57 Comments on "Olney On Upton, Young, Wilson"


withpower
2 years 11 months ago

Why not just keep Upton and Young and roll with Bloomquist and Elmore at SS?

2 years 11 months ago

because money

withpower
2 years 11 months ago

I thought Young and Upton were both signed to contracts and not going through the arb process.

davbee
2 years 11 months ago

Because neither Bloomquist or Elmore is an everyday major league shortstop.

withpower
2 years 11 months ago

Willie has held his own the past two years and if Elmore can get on base somewhat close to what he did over his career in the minors, I think they can hold the position down between them.

I’m not sure what short stop is going to be out there for Chris Young.

davbee
2 years 11 months ago

The shortstop that’s out there is Elvis Andrus, and he’ll end up with the Diamondbacks as part of a deal for Upton..

withpower
2 years 11 months ago

Hmm.. I forgot about Andrus. Interesting.

Colin Christopher
2 years 11 months ago

He didn’t say anything about the arb process. He said the reason was due to money, which is partially true. Each player IS under contract, but those contracts call for both of them to get raises each of the next few years. In Upton’s case, the raises are pretty substantial, going from $6.75M in 2012 to $9.75M in 2013 to $14.25M in 2014.

melonis_rex
2 years 11 months ago

Then trade Young and one of Kubel or Cahill.

You don’t trade a talent of Upton’s caliber and age unless you get a deal that fills a position of need (SS/3B) and significantly improves the team.

GasLampGuru
2 years 11 months ago

I think the DBacks believe they’ve found their longterm answer at 3B (Chris Johnson). If that’s the case, they will be focused on finding a SS. If the DBacks trade Young and Upton, they are essentially embarking on a rebuilding project. That would mean they are very likely to look for prospects for their players, making an Upton for Andurs trade somewhat unlikely. I wouldn’t be surprised if they move Cahill, I have to believe he was a disappointment for them this season.

LazerTown
2 years 11 months ago

Upton is 25 and for 2013-2015 his aav will be at $13M. Sure it’s less than free market, but alot of the value of the young players is when they are making league minimum, or even $5M. Alot of the low revenue teams can’t afford to add a player like that still.

Mike H
2 years 11 months ago

I’m sure the Yankees would be interested in both Upton and Young, but who do they have that the Diamondbacks would want?

2 years 11 months ago

as much as I’d hate to lose him, Young for Jayson Nix?

withpower
2 years 11 months ago

You’d really trade Chris Young for Jayson Nix?

Slopeboy
2 years 11 months ago

You mean Young for the NY Knicks, right?

GasLampGuru
2 years 11 months ago

Not that I think he’s worth it, but the DBacks will be looking for a pretty big return for Young. I’d say he’s worth more to the Yankees (and the DBacks) than a journeyman utility infielder, but he’s probably not worth the haul the Dbacks will be demanding.

StanleyHudson
2 years 11 months ago

I’d like to believe there’s some sarcasm in this but I don’t sense any.

LazerTown
2 years 11 months ago

Over the past 3 years Swisher has a better ops, obp, etc than Young. Also upton is signed aav $13M 2013-2015. If they can get swisher for 50/3 or less then that is the better move. Even torrii hunter would be a decent move. I really don’t see the Yankees giving up a huge package for upton.

formerdraftpick
2 years 11 months ago

A Young for Barmes deal?

Tko11
Tko11
2 years 11 months ago

As in Clint Barmes? Young started the year off great and then he got injured, personally I still dont think hes recovered from that injury because he hasnt been the same since. He is without a doubt worth more than Barmes.

OptimusSmoltz
2 years 11 months ago

I wonder if the Braves would make a run at Upton this offseason. With the cost for Bourne, a trade is more FW’s M.O.

GasLampGuru
2 years 11 months ago

Justin Upton is not a center fielder. He’s barely passable in right field. He takes lousy routes to balls and doesn’t always give 100% on defense. I wouldn’t expect anyone to trade for him and move him to CF.

OptimusSmoltz
2 years 11 months ago

I wasn’t envisioning him as a CF…more like Prado’s replacement in LF and look for a more affordable free agent CF. Or possibly take long look at Todd Cunningham in CF during Spring Training.

Colin Christopher
2 years 11 months ago

That’s kind of what I wondered too. With the money they’ve got coming off the books in Chipper, Lowe, and possibly Jurrjens (if they non-tender him), they could afford to trade for Justin Upton and maybe sign BJ Upton to a FA deal. Then they could move Prado to 3B, leaving them with a starting OF of Heyward, BJ, and J-Up…assuming either Heyward or J-Up would agree to move to LF. It’s a shot in the dark, anyway.

Jwick22
2 years 11 months ago

Well was hoping atlanta may could get young if(when) bourn leaves. But doubt they have a shortstop to get it done

TimotheusATL
2 years 11 months ago

they’ve had virtually no offensive production aside from andrelton simmons at the position this year, so it’s not likely they have an up-and-comer good enough to pry away a player like young.

Jwick22
2 years 11 months ago

Exactly.. They have a few in lower a ball but that will not get it done. Ne ither will pastornicky. And simmons isnt going anywhere so just dont sew it happening. Probably go after b.j.. Unless maybe gattis stays hot and could play one corner and move heyward to center for a few years

Joe Goodin
2 years 11 months ago

The wrong Adam Eaton was tagged… at least I hope…

BK
2 years 11 months ago

Trumbo and Taylor Lindsey for Upton?

2 years 11 months ago

Done. You can also have Chris Young and Ian Kennedy if you’d like.

55saveslives
2 years 11 months ago

LOL more like Upton, Miley, +++++ for Trumbo

corey23
2 years 11 months ago

Does this mean that we can finally stop hearing about Brian Wilson from SF fans, and maybe he’ll shave off that hipster beard?

55saveslives
2 years 11 months ago

Check total saves from 2008-2011. Who has the most?

corey23
2 years 11 months ago

He’s annoying, as are Giants fans with their pitched tents for him. The guy loves attention, and I think he’s a joke.

I didnt say he wasn’t good at closing for whatever period of time. I just think people like him are kind of a disgrace to the game. That’s my opinion and I know a lot of people would disagree, but oh well

corey23
2 years 11 months ago

and with that said, i don’t blame him for trying to market himself… you have a small window of fame/athleticism in life and if you can get paid, then you better do it.

55saveslives
2 years 11 months ago

Hopefully the Giants work out a deal with Wilson. Non-tender and sign a new “Cheaper” deal until he proves healthy.

2 years 11 months ago

On Brian Wilson being traded, that apears to be an extremely risky proposition for whatever team ends up trading for him…unless it appears clear that the Giants intend to tender him a contract. Otherwise, he could be another team’s reclamation project.

As for MVP of the NL, I think that Andrew McCutchen’s case will be hurt if the Pirates don’t make the playoffs (they’re still in the thick of the hunt, 2.5 games out as of this writing). If Buster Posey ends up being a Super-2 and wins the MVP award, that will help Posey’s arbitration immensely.

Gator4444
2 years 11 months ago

I still don’t think they trade Upton. A bounce back year for him is a 6 WAR season. I believe he hurt his thumb early in the season and it’s messed with him all year. He should be fine.

GaiaCracker
2 years 11 months ago

I’ll trade you Adam Eaton for Adrian Gonzalez and pitcher Chris Young. Deal.

cheez13
2 years 11 months ago

So, Young is a more affordable option then Victorino…really? Who is paying him more than 10 mil per? Young is making 20 mil over the next 2 years. If someone pays Victorino more than that then they are nuts. He will be 32 in a few months coming off a year in which all of his numbers are below is career averages. I don’t see him getting better. Certainly not going to hit HR’s like he did in the band box in Philly. I like him as a player but couldn’t play him 10 mil per.

Loody
2 years 11 months ago

Yep, there is a very good chance I think.

GasLampGuru
2 years 11 months ago

The DBacks have a ton of young pitching which they are extremely high on. Personally, I don’t think any of their big three are really ready (Bauer, Skaggs, Corbin), but management thinks they are. Not sure the DBacks would trade an asset like Upton for pitching when they have other needs. My guess is if they trade both Young and Upton, they need a major league ready SS back for one and at least one major league ready OF for the other.

The question is, what are other teams willing to give up for Young? He doesn’t have Upton’s upside and, after 3167 career major league at bats, he kind of is what is he. He’s a fantastic defender who can’t handle anything off-speed and is prone to very long cold spells. He’s a career .240 hitter and will be 30 at the end of next season. I don’t think he’ll have the trade value he might have had two or three years ago.

Slopeboy
2 years 11 months ago

@Lotus1043

Mets see Tejada as a keeper, who is still years away from his prime and under team control for a few more years as well. While Young is an enticing player and the Mets sorely need OFers, don’t look for Tejada to be included in a trade for anything less than some kind of stud.

chuckenslin
2 years 11 months ago

The Diamondbacks have a ton of young starting pitching that is on the cusp of MLB readiness… why would they make this move? That being said, I hope the Mets don’t make this move. Pitching is more important then an Outfielder.

2 years 11 months ago

He’s talking about Upton, not Young.

melonis_rex
2 years 11 months ago

Upton is a stud.

melonis_rex
2 years 11 months ago

he’s 25 and he’s already been in the league for 5 years, which already puts him in top company.

one down year (in which he was an MLB average player) doesn’t make him any less of a stud.

Phillies_Aces35
2 years 11 months ago

Posey also had Cabrera who was also having an MVP calliber season. McCutchen has slightly better numbers and plays for a team that wasn’t expected to contend.

55saveslives
2 years 11 months ago

Posey is a catcher. McCutcheon at CF is too different to compare

Slopeboy
2 years 11 months ago

@ Joe L
Whoops! Thanks. Now that’s a stud, though still not certain the Mets would do that. Upton has a big price tag and Met are a low budget
team at the moment.

rainyperez
2 years 11 months ago

Posey also picked up right where Cabrera left off. That’s the argument.

He’s not bad defensively and it was on display on Saturday minus the wild pitch by Cain.

The reason why his defense takes a hit is because teams run on the notoriously slow out of the stretch pitchers that the Giants have. It gives him no time to throw. Also I count 5 different plays where Giants players dropped the ball at 2nd base during a steal.

Posey also is coming back from a horrific injury that in most people eyes might have hindered him this season. You can also make the argument he was the difference between the 2011 Giants missing the playoffs and the 2012 Giants making the playoffs.

He will play just as many games as other catchers will and then will play 1st base because its a ‘day off’.

Posey plays in the NL West where he has to hit in AT&T Park, Dodger Stadium, and Petco Park a combined 100 times a year which hinders a lot of power and has taken away hits.

He has a pretty good case for MVP.

Phillies_Aces35
2 years 11 months ago

I didn’t say he didn’t have a case nor does he not deserve it if he wins. My response was in large part due to the fact that the original poster seems to think there aren’t any viable MVP candidates beyond Buster Posey and it’s only because of East Coast Bias that he wouldn’t win.

Jason_F
2 years 11 months ago

It appears to be a two horse race at the moment between Posey and McCutchen with Holliday and Yadier Molina closely trailing, in my opinion. The other players lighting up the offensive leaderboards (Braun, Wright, Headley, Stanton) probably haven’t done enough to overcome their non-contender status, even though Braun is putting on quite a show at the moment.

The problem with McCutchen’s candidacy is his and his team’s performance down the stretch, which is where these awards are won. He has a schockingly low OPS from August 8 on of .645, while his team has gone 9-20 over the same span.

As it stands, it is looking more and more like this is Posey’s award to lose.

rainyperez
2 years 11 months ago

I never said you didn’t think he has a case?

johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

And some team is going to massively overpay in prospects for potential that is here one day and gone the next, then back again.. He is better than his brother of course, but these 5 tool players i get so sick of grabbing massive amounts of talent in exchange for and they almost never pay off in the long run.

Let me ask you Rex.. Would you want oakland to open it’s minor league talent vault for upton? Am guessing not. I really, really don’t want Boston to for sure.

As much as REALLY don’t want Ells getting 20m AAV out of Boston and at 5+ years? Would far rather see that than having Cherrington send (guessing) Barnes, Bradley and a say a cecchini to the Dbacks for a glorified BJ upton.

notsureifsrs
2 years 11 months ago

” for potential that is here one day and gone the next”

at worst, it’s here one year and gone the next. and even if upton continues to play that way, he ends up averaging about 4 WAR per year

in other words, an inconsistent upton is about twice as good as the average consistent MLB player

johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

It boils down to talent it will cost for a team (Boston) here needing way, way more than, even a 4WAR OF.

This team needs at least 2SP, a 1B, will need another OF anyway other than Ross if he is resigned and 2 if he isn’t. Unless they plan on letting Kalish/Nava have a go at it for 2013.

The cost to go out and get a “luxury” like that is the last thing that should be on the mind of the Sox FO.