Rosenthal On Farrell, Indians, Nationals

The Blue Jays shouldn’t part with manager John Farrell unless they are confident they can hire a comparable replacement and make the Red Sox pay dearly for their former pitching coach, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports writes. The Blue Jays could start by asking for Clay Buchholz again, Rosenthal suggests. Here’s more from around MLB, starting with Farrell…

  • People who know Farrell find it difficult to believe he’d try to force his way out of Toronto, Rosenthal reports. The Blue Jays appear to value Farrell and don’t want to see him leave.
  • Most MLB teams wanted to develop Jurickson Profar as a pitcher when he was an amateur player, Rosenthal reports. The Rangers built a relationship with Profar, who wanted to play shortstop.
  • Scouts following the Indians like the team’s up-the-middle talent, but say the body language of manager Manny Acta suggests he’s resigned to losing. The Indians are expected to consider trade offers for Justin Masterson, Shin-Soo Choo and Chris Perez this offseason and rival teams wonder if they’d listen to offers for Asdrubal Cabrera.
  • Indians officials are “livid” with Perez for his comments about the team’s ownership and top baseball executives, Rosenthal writes. Perez questioned the Indians’ decision making and spending last week in an interview with Jon Paul Morosi. Some executives viewed those remarks as an attempt to get traded, Rosenthal reports.
  • One Orioles person points out that Andy MacPhail traded for many of the Orioles’ key players in a series of successful deals. MacPhail dealt for players such as J.J. Hardy, Pedro Strop, Chris Davis, Tommy Hunter, Robert Andino and Adam Jones before stepping down following the 2011 season.
  • Though the Nationals would like to retain Adam LaRoche, they can rely on internal options if the first baseman’s asking price reaches the three-year, $33-36MM range. Similarly, the Nationals might decide not to pursue Michael Bourn despite the long-standing expectation that they will offer him a competitive free agent contract.
  • The Brewers will need to sign a starting pitcher and fix their bullpen this coming offseason, Rosenthal writes.


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23 Comments on "Rosenthal On Farrell, Indians, Nationals"


rainyperez
2 years 10 months ago

Brewers can go after Grienke!

Sorry I kid, I kid.

But seriously they could conceivably go after him right? Or are they too payroll constraint? Brewers fans a little help here.

2 years 10 months ago

Marcum (~8 million), Wolf (~10 million), Greinke (~13 million), and K-Rod (~8 million) are all off the books next year, but others are going to get raises. They could probably easily fit him in financially if Attanasio wants to maintain the 90MM payroll, but who knows if they’ll stay at that level going forward.

They’ll definitely be in the thick of the Greinke sweepstakes, because Gallardo and Greinke topping the rotation will allow us to more easily rely on the prospects in the organization going forward (Fiers, Rogers, Peralta, Thornburg, etc). It just depends on who else is bidding, how high they’ll go, and if Greinke is more inclined to take the money or go somewhere where he is most comfortable.

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start_wearing_purple
2 years 10 months ago

“The Blue Jays could start by asking for Clay Buchholz again”

HA! Hilarious! No way Buch gets traded for a manager even if they resurrected John McGraw.

johnsilver
2 years 10 months ago

It is outrageous Bucholz name keeps coming up everytime someone wants a solid SP for nothing. 1st Texas wanted him for Salty, when Salty was a fair prospect and now Toronto might for a manager?

Writers need to focus on facts, rather than fantasy. There is enough of that going on at Disney World.

stl_cards16
2 years 10 months ago

The Blue Jays have something the Sox want. As long as they don’t send him to Boston and say ” here we can figure out the compensation later”(like the Red Sox did with Theo) they have the leverage. Most manager/front office trades of the past won’t be a good comparison. The difference is, Toronto wants Farrell. If the Sox want him, they’ll have to prove they want him more than the Jays.

johnsilver
2 years 10 months ago

I get your point about Farrell :-)

It’s teams always wanting bucholz is my issue and really.. Who wouldn’t??

Buch is signed to one of the best deals anyone could imagine for a solid mid-#2 rotation SP.

2013 5.5m
2014 7.7m
2015 12m
2016 and 17 are total team options at 13m.. This guy has been nothing short of solid ever since he pretty much came up, with the exception of April-1st week of May this year.

There is –0– chance he goes anywhere, much less for a manager (want him or not) who has yet to lead a team to but 1 spot above last place.. it’s laughable. texas had a better chance when they thought Salty was worth him several years back.

It’s writers fantasy, nothing more. Cherrington would laugh at AA if he ever had the gall to make that request.

go_jays_go
2 years 10 months ago

I’m pretty sure the Blue Jays did ask for Buchholz in a trade for Farrell. But since it’s so outrageous, it’s basically the Blue Jays saying, ‘go away’.

johnsilver
2 years 10 months ago

Good point. A way of saying..”don’t even ask” and that kind of makes some sense.

Farrell could of course wait another year and walk on them, but really.. Boston can find someone else.. it’s not like he is some magical cure for every ill is it?

Wes
2 years 10 months ago

The Blue Jays asking for Buccholz means: “Red Sox – Go away”

notsureifsrs
2 years 10 months ago

yup. i’m surprised they like farrel so much, though. great pitching coach, but i don’t notice anything great about him as a manager

BoSoXaddict
2 years 10 months ago

Supposedly it’s mostly just because of how respected (and feared) he is by Red Sox players. There seems to be a sense that he’ll have more “authority” telling players what to do then Bobby V has..

2 years 10 months ago

Desperation might cause the Sox to make some rash decisions…. and every team knows that. Lets hope the Jays profit from it….

GasLampGuru
2 years 10 months ago

I would love for the Padres to make a run at either Choo or Cabrera (preferably Choo). Both would fit in nicely near the top of the order and give the Padres another good hitter. Cabrera is not the player he seemed to be in 2011, but he’s still productive.

NorCalTribeFan
2 years 10 months ago

The Indians have no choice but to try to create another “wave” of talent that would peak in, say, four or five years. That means we will need top shelf talent at the double-A or Hi-A level….especially starting pitching and outfield.

If your team is willing to part with this kind of guy, then I bet a trade could be made.

$6592481
2 years 10 months ago

Man, that Mariners have given up some serious talent since 2006. First, Asdrubal Cabrera, then Shin-Soo Choo, and Adam Jones. There probably have been more than I am forgetting, but other than Montero for Pineda, what trades have the Mariners won recently? (The Montero trade is a win so far, until Pineda is back and healthy, then we can decide for sure)

Gator4444
2 years 10 months ago

Justin Upton for Asdrubal Cabrera

BoSoXaddict
2 years 10 months ago

Saying the Jays should start out by asking for Buchholz is the same exact thing as when people said the Sox should “start out” by asking for Garza in exchange for Theo. In other words, shoot for the moon first and then work down from there. It’s moot anyways since we would obviously never give them Buchholz for Farrell..just like how the Cubs were never going to give us Garza for Theo. The Blue Jays can have Chris Carpenter if they want. I’d like the Sox to try and trade for Masterson this offseason though if the prospect price isn’t ridiculous.

feztonio
2 years 10 months ago

i read perez’s comments and they were right on the money. is always amazing when folks get mad at someone who is open and honest and completely accurate in their assessment. if he get’s some form of punishment or a trade it’s them saying it’s okay if we’re a terrible organization but don’t you go pointing it out…. as if baseball fans don’t realize what a cheap bunch of garbage ownership group the indians have in place

Eric Foley
2 years 10 months ago

That’s just ridiculous! If the Red Sox couldn’t get anything for Theo how do they expect to get Clay for Farrell? The Sox won’t trade one of only two decent pitchers the have.

johnsilver
2 years 10 months ago

There lies yet another issue in going with pure stats.. Comparing Bucholz, who actually has talent and a decent repetoire to Blanton..

johnsilver
2 years 10 months ago

Look.. I understand you go deep into stats all the time not that many here even do.. But so say Blanton is in the same class as Bucholz is beyond wild.

I bet you even left out all those pitchers Blanton faced over the last 3 seasons, class of competition overall.. there is sooo much for than just FIP to baseball that some here overlook.

Lunchbox45
2 years 10 months ago

comparing k/9 NL VS AL east. smh

Lunchbox45
2 years 10 months ago

you’re twisting your data. you were comparing the last 2 years, why did you feel the need to go back further just support your argument?

not to mention you’re comparing stats of a 22 year old to a 24 year old. what next? show me data of how reynolds is totally a better third baseman than brett lawrie