Latest On Dodgers, Ethier

TUESDAY: A trade involving Ethier is "not happening," Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports.

MONDAY: The Dodgers made headlines this season when they signed Andre Ethier to a five-year, $85MM extension. ESPN's Buster Olney reports that now, just months later, the team is open to the concept of trading their slugging right fielder (Twitter link).

Trading a player recently signed to such a large contract would be virtually unprecedented, though it would make previous reports that the team could retain Shane Victorino more logical.

The 30-year-old Ethier hit .284/.351/.460 with 20 home runs in 2012. Despite that production, there would be many deterrents for teams that show interest. Ethier struggled mightily against left-handed pitching, triple-slashing just .222/.276/.330 against southpaws. He'll be 31 years old on April 10 next season, and he will be 35 years of age when his $85MM extension expires. Beyond that, defensive metrics such as UZR and the Fielding Bible have never been fans of his glovework (though he has one Gold Glove under his belt).

However, most believe that Ethier would have fetched a larger payday had he become a free agent this offseason rather than signing his extension. Teams that would have had interest in the longtime Dodger could look at this as an opportunity to get Ethier into their lineup while saving some money. He would also present an alternative for teams that miss out on Josh Hamilton in free agency.


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tomymogo
2 years 8 months ago

Interesting. I can tell you one thing, count the Braves out, they need a righty bat, or someone who kills lefties and has power

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

thanks

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

sounds fake.

2 years 8 months ago

i sure hope it is

2 years 8 months ago

i don’t buy this… he jst signed an extension…. bull.

Yankeeboy11
2 years 8 months ago

Yanks

danburrito
2 years 8 months ago

I hate to be “that fan that wants every good player” but the red sox need some outfield help. And Ethier is already friends with a few other players on the team, so chemistry wouldn’t be a problem. I think it’s a good idea to reach out for him. Feel free to give me reasons why it would be bad.

dc21892
2 years 8 months ago

Not worth it. They can sign a one year stop gap and pay Jackie Bradley Jr. peanuts to play the following season.

Aaron Somers
2 years 8 months ago

Given the trajectories of Bradley and Brentz I’d be inclined to agree, but the Sox will likely let Ellsbury walk after 2013. There would be room to add Ethier without blocking the future.

dc21892
2 years 8 months ago

I’d rather them resign Ellsbury then take on Eithier. He cannot hit lefties at ALL.

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

He isn’t very good.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

hahahha he had a 3.4 WAR last year. Yeah, he sucks.

ritz51
2 years 8 months ago

A defensive liability who can’t hit left handed pitching, has never posted a WAR better than 3.5 in a single season, and is owed 85 million until he’s 36?

Doesn’t exactly suck…but he is vastly overrated.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

He should play LF most likely, but you fail to realize that he is making below market value for an OF who has a very good WAR and has produced in a pitchers haven. He will be a better value than Swisher on his next contract

ritz51
2 years 8 months ago

Since we’re going by WAR:

The standard rate is 5 million for each win. In that case, Ethier will have to put up 17 WAR in the next 5 years for the Dodgers to break even on their investment.

The problem is, in his entire 7 year career Ethier has been worth just 19.3 WAR. We also have to consider that those seasons were played in his prime and it would be reasonable to expect a drop off in production in the final two years of his deal, at which point he will be 35 and 36, respectively.

To put that in perspective, Ethier will have to replicate that 3.5 WAR season (which was his highest total ever) for every year of his 5 year contract for the Dodgers to break even. Could it happen? Anything is possible, but I would bet my life against it.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Andre has never hit in a lineup anything close to what it will be next season. For all of his career, he has been the 2nd best hitter in the lineup, with the exception of Kemp. Moving from that to being around Agon, Hanley and hopefully a healthy Crawford will help his numbers, and therefore, WAR. While it is hard to expect him to be a 3.5 WAR player every year, his best year was just last season. He has shown no signs of slowing down. Finally, and this seems to be overlooked, I said his contract is below market value. Which, if you look at the market for OFs this year, 85M will be lower than the top tier guys are going to get

ritz51
2 years 8 months ago

It’ll be lower than the top tier guys, because Ethier clearly isn’t a top tier player. I think he could benefit from the improved lineup, but when we talk about his best season coming last year, it’s still only a marginal improvement from past seasons. We’re talking about a guy who has posted a 3+ WAR just twice. I just think he’s incredibly overrated.

Referencing a comment above, if the Sox traded Lester + prospects for Ethier, I would personally assassinate the front office with a staple gun. That would be insane.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

I should have said 2nd tier. In line with Swisher. That’s where I consider Andre at if he had been a FA

ritz51
2 years 8 months ago

I’d agree on him being in the Swisher range, but I think that 85M is just about the ceiling on what a guy like him can expect to get.

One never knows in a world where Werth is making 126M, but i’d be surprised if he surpasses Ethier’s deal.

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

not quite sure how other players will help ethier’s numbers. there is no scientific proof to back up lineup protection.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

I think most players would say its easier to hit in a lineup of 5 good, established bats, instead of 2. Its just common sense. If you are in a lineup ahead of Kemp and Gonzalez, you will get pitches to hit, hoping you make an out. On the other hand, if you hit after them, you will theoretically have more guys on base and therefore they will need to pitch to you because there is no where to put you

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

He has to do more than not suck to be worth that contract. He’s good, but – like I just said – he’s not very good.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Don’t know why you are implying that he sucks. He was a very good hitter. He should play LF, but he can play RF without severely hurting the team

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

I literally just said he doesn’t suck and that he is good. Your bias is blinding you.

For the third time: he is paid like a very good player but he is not one.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

You also said right before that “he has to not suck to be worth that contract” that can only be assumed to you saying that you think he sucks, because I have shown he’s a good hitter and productive player

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

No, i did not say that. Read it again.

At this point there is little reason to believe you will understand anything I write, so I’m going to move on.

Sky14
2 years 8 months ago

I’ll put that 3.4 WAR in perspective for you, Denard Span had a 3.9 last year.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

The same WAR as Ben Revere. Revere is like 6 years younger and I wouldn’t want him on Ethier’s contract.

carlos
2 years 8 months ago

Sounds like it was leaked intentionally to buster. Have teams chew on that before the winter meetings. When the offers are pathetic the team wont trade him.

2 years 8 months ago

Another example why the Giants are the class of the NL West. LA screwing with any semblance of team unity 20 hrs into the offseason. I hope they do trade Eithier. He’s a quality, well-rounded player and I wouldn’t mind him somewhere that he couldn’t own Matt Cain multiple times a year.

baseball52
2 years 8 months ago

An overpaid platoon player? Yea, I’m sure they’d love to trade him.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

15M for a 284/351/460 hitter is not overpayment, especially considering the market for OFs recently

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

Oh he hits pretty well? He must be a valuable overall player then.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Read the comment. He was complaining about his offense. I made a comment about his offense

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

He was complaining about his contract and his l/r split. Even though you are right that he is a good overall hitter, that fact doesn’t very well address either of those complaints.

He’s also a below average fielder and a below average baserunner, so there’s even more to overcome.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

And he ignores that Ethier is making below market value. If he went to FA he was going to get over 100M. And if he plays LF, his defensive problems are gone. Bad base runner? So is 85% of the league

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

” If he went to FA he was going to get over 100M.”

No.

johnsilver
2 years 8 months ago

Not trying to start anything here.. But JD Drew was putting up numbers along those lines his 1st 4 years (hurt most of his 5th year) in Boston and I seem to recall most everybody here saying he was an overpaid bum and JD Drew was probably the best defensive RF at Fenway since Dwight Evans played there, while making 14m per.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

JD Drew’s last season close to Andre last year was 2009. Since 2009, and before, the market for OFs has exploded. Like I said, its below market value. Thats for 2012, not 2009 and earlier

johnsilver
2 years 8 months ago

It’s no big deal. Just pointing out that the numbers are nearly the same.. Market or not and people were slamming both Boston for the sign and Drew in general, while nobody is saying anything negative at all about Ethier.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Think part of it is Andre is much more liked. Also, I think people expected more from Drew, maybe because it was Boston. But Andre, with the exception of hitting LHs, has done very little wrong in LA

johnsilver
2 years 8 months ago

Drew never wanting to talk to the media, sulking about and not showing emotion. Dicing Philly when he got drafted the 1st time, opting out of his deal with LAD didn’t help things either.

The guy just seemed like he asked for it many times will admit.

baseball52
2 years 8 months ago

He’s a black hole in the lineup against left handers. He’s a glorified platoon player. You can’t fork over 15 mil to a platoon player.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Most at True Blue LA don’t think much of this. It really doesn’t make sense. Only reason to do it is to go after a FA, and of the major ones that fit the bill are only Swisher and Hamilton. I expect BJ and Bourn to want to play CF. And I don’t think Swisher would be worth the contract he’ll get. So only reason, IMO, is Hamilton. Don’t see it happening

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

Getting a guy who wants to and would play CF is a major part of the reason why it WOULD make sense.

Matt
2 years 8 months ago

“Beyond that, he has never been viewed as much of a defensive asset.” WHAT? he just won a gold glove last season, and is a finalist for one this season.

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

lols

2 years 8 months ago

That comment gave me cancer.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

Hahahahaha, gold gloves.

kaywizz22
2 years 8 months ago

Ethier for A-Rod HAHAHA, let me be the first to make up that idea

2 years 8 months ago

Maybe they work a deal with AZ to get Justin Upton? Ethier is from Phoenix…

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

doubt either will be traded in the division, especially in the same deal

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

how would that make any sense from AZ’s standpoint..?
if they move upton it will be to get cheaper

jondogg2010
2 years 8 months ago

Red Sox

Cliff Lau
2 years 8 months ago

Wouldn’t this deter players from signing extensions if they know there’s a history of getting traded soon after?

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

being traded is a part of the game.. he’ll still get all his money.

Cliff Lau
2 years 8 months ago

I just assumed there was “good faith” involved and that the signing team wants the player to be there longer.

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

it’s just business

sure I’d rather live in LA than some small town in east coast if I had a choice, but if I was making 15 million a year, it would be hard to complain.

2 years 8 months ago

Make that 17 million a year. I just dont see how that is below market value for what he brings to a corner outfield spot.

GasLampGuru
2 years 8 months ago

Nope, in fact, if you think about it logically long-term contracts make players more valuable (assuming they are deemed worthy of the contracts). If you sign a productive player like Ethier to a long term deal, especially one that is considered somewhat below market value, it makes him more controllable and therefore easier to trade. That may not necessarily be the case with Ethier given his splits and the fact that he’ll be 35 at the end of the deal, but I’m sure someone would offer a decent prospect for him.

Cliff Lau
2 years 8 months ago

But that’s my point, Ethier may have signed this contract in good faith, having believed the LAD upper management wants him there long term. But if he gets traded before the extension even kicks in, then wouldn’t other players on his team feel that signing a long term extension for this team means they’re just trade bait rather than someone who’s wanted by the organization long term? That was a super long run-on question.

Kendall Adkins
2 years 8 months ago

1. Just because it happens once doesn’t mean it will start happening often. This would be the exception to the rule. 2. Players like extensions because they make a lot more guaranteed money, and then they can just focus on baseball until the extension is up.

Cliff Lau
2 years 8 months ago

That’s fair. I like that point of view.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

Why would you assume the Dodgers new management does things like plan further than a month or two into the future?

bigpat
2 years 8 months ago

This is either fake or they officially have no idea what they’re doing over there.

Not saying Ethier is worth the money because he isn’t but they just signed him.

2 years 8 months ago

Doubt it.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

Trade him for who? Why? To play who instead?

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

I expect this to be refuted tomorrow by Colletti

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

He’d refute it even if there was some truth to it. But the question is why there’d be any truth to it.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Guess they want to go after a FA OF and think they can do better in the FA market?

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

if they wanted to add Hamilton it would make sense.

its just very shortsighted given the blockbuster from last year

realistically they could probably have given josh the money they have to give Crawford

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

no its not. Who would have played 1B? Gonzalez has 100M LESS coming to him than Fielder, Albert or Votto, with 2 less years, minimum. Oh, and he was top 10 in the MVP just a year ago.

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

They could have just signed hamilton to play 1B.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Now you’re just making stuff up. No chance

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

well if we are assuming that trading andre is because of the desire to sign another free agent, hamilton would be a logical choice since it would have to be someone impactful for them to explore trading ethier

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

Its not MLB The Show. While the only reason to trade Andre is to sign another FA, there is no way you take the best OF out there and sign him for 1B unless its a video game

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

Or a fantasy league.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

even in fantasy they don’t let you just get 9 guys and pray

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

you cant be serious

Hamilton is the best OF available because of his bat not his legs. Hes had a hard time staying healthy and it would be wise for a team to protect their investment by putting him in a less physically demanding position.

lots of sluggers move to 1B later in their careers, usually only ones with good offensive numbers. not exactly a new idea, and far from a video game idea.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

You never see that happen for an OF about to sign his FA contract. You see it if he signs an 8 year deal and in year 5 they move him. Hamilton is not going to play 1B next year.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

Because of his vast experience playing the infield, of course.

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

oh ya 1B is such a tough position to learn.

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

You tell him. When’s the last time a California team had any success playing guys at new positions? It’s preposterous.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

I’m sure we’re all trying to figure out the point of this remark.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

Next year Fielder will make about 1 million more than Gonzalez. From 2014-2018 Fielder will make about 2 million more per year than Gonzalez. Prince is signed for 2 extra years. Prince is 2 years younger.

Prince 2012: 153 wRC+ 4.9 WAR
Gonzalez’s 2012: 115 wRC+ 3.6 WAR
Prince’s career: 143 wRC+ 28.1 WAR over 7 seasons
Gonzalez’s career: 133 wRC+ 31.0 WAR over about 7.5 seasons

Similarly valuable players (Gonzalez with the big edge defensively, Prince offensively) similar money through 2018, the younger player has two extra years on his deal. Yea, give me the younger guy who didn’t have the red flag filled 2012.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

They have plenty of money. That isn’t the issue.

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

And they’ve spent a ton of it, if they were interested in just adding more payroll (and could) they wouldn’t be interested in trading Ethier.

based if the rumour is true, which i doubt it is

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

I agree that the rumor probably isn’t credible, but I don’t think the argument is for adding salary just for the sake of spending.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

If they wanted to get a better OF, they have to move one. Andre is only one who could be moved.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

As I think you said already, the only possible logic is going after Hamilton, but they have to sign him first.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

I’d at least want to talk to Hamilton first…

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

They can’t trade Eithier without signing someone better first. It wouldn’t make any sense.

Ricky Martin
2 years 8 months ago

Can you imagine a 3-4-5 of Hamilton-Kemp-A-gon WOW

johnsilver
2 years 8 months ago

If it is true.. Pedroia will be jumping and screaming at Cherrington to get his best buddy as a teammate.

Weird anyway.. They get CC at 20m a season over the next 5 years and this report comes out to move Eithier, who is owed 5m less annually?

Probably sports writers practicing fakery early before the winter meetings.. Just getting warmed up.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

The reasons why it could make a fair amount of sense are 1. The back end of Ethier’s deal is probably gonna look pretty bad, so if they can get out of it now while he’s still got value AND get something they should at least consider it. 2. Kemp isn’t gonna be a full time centerfielder for more than a couple more years and with Crawford, Ethier and Gonzalez all signed to huge long term deals there’s nowhere else for him to play. Signing somebody who can at least split time with Kemp in center now would be pretty smart. It would upgrade two outfield spots defensively, softening the offensive blow. 3. Puig has been impressive in the little time the Dodgers have seen him. While they probably aren’t looking to pencil him into a starting role in 2013, they probably are thinking that one of Puig, Ethier or Crawford would have to be dealt in the next year. I can’t imagine how good Crawford would have to play to regain positive trade value, and while the Dodgers seem very high on Puig I doubt other teams that haven’t seen as much of him would be willing to meet their price on him. Which brings me back to the first point, that it might be best to trade Ethier now while he still has value. I think the damage trading a player 6 months after he signed an extension would do to their reputation as a management group and organization isn’t worth it, but it could be a smart baseball move.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

1. If the back end of Ethier’s contract is probably going to look bad to the Dodgers, then it is probably going to look equally bad to another team. Since the risk is already factored into his future value, no added value is likely to be accrued by dealing him at the front end of his contract. 2. It’s way too soon to say that Kemp can’t continue to play centerfield. It would certainly be helpful to his longevity if he ran into fewer walls, but you could say the same about any outfielder. 3. You are right, Puig is not looking at a 2013 arrival, so it isn’t possible to know where he enters into the mix. He could flame out totally for all we and the Dodgers know at this point. With the Crawford question mark still looming, dealing Ethier only makes sense if the Dodgers sign another outfielder, and for it to be a definite upgrade, as far as I can see, the only real candidate is Hamilton.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

1. Well the back end will look bad to other teams but if they can’t acquire Ethier’s age 30 and 31 season(s) along with his age 35 and 36 seasons then he starts to lose considerable trade value. My point was that Ethier’s trade value is very unlikely to get any higher ever again than it is right now. 2. Is it really too soon to say that? There are some concerns about his longevity, but thats not the biggest concern. The biggest problem is that he’s been a pretty terrible defensive centerfielder by all defensive metrics for 3 consecutive seasons now (3600+ innings) and really he’s been mostly bad in CF his entire career. I know he’s prone to highlight reel defensive plays, but I don’t really understand why those numbers get ignored when discussing Kemp. He just shouldn’t be playing center.

The same can really be said of Ethier in RF. With so many Dodger games being played in Dodger Stadium, Petco Park, and ATT Park Ethier should be playing LF or 1B almost exclusively. The problem is they have guys in those spots who either can’t, or in the past have been very reluctant to, play other positions. Trading Ethier and getting at least a semi useful prospect, putting most of that money towards a CF like Bourn or Upton and moving Kemp to RF improves the team so dramatically defensively that it would certainly be worth the offensive hit. A guy like Bourn also bring a much more natural fit for the leadoff spot than anyone they currently have on the roster. If they could really deal Ethier for Ellsbury as was suggested somewhere in these comments it would accomplish the same thing.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

I have so many problems with this argument it’s hard to know where to begin. The value proposition of his contract won’t change significantly no matter who owns it. Whether it goes up or down depends on his future performance, which we won’t know until the future happens. Kemp has been injured exactly once in his career so I think it’s just a little soon to say that he is prone to injury. As for the so called defensive metrics, they are a total mess and completely useless as far as I am concerned. Before we get into a big argument over that, find me a GM who swears by them and we can talk about it. As for Ellsbury, he is not an upgrade over Ethier, plain and simple. The Dodgers are not looking for stopgap measures. They are not in rebuilding mode. They are in the win now mode and clearly money is not a factor in getting there, so it makes no sense for them to deal a starting position player for prospects. So unless some new information comes to light, I am sticking with my original thoughts about this rumor. Either it is not accurate, is some sort of head fake on Colletti’s part, or the Dodgers think they can sign Hamilton.

jmgatskiejr
2 years 8 months ago

Wow, you had me right up until you devalued Ellsbury out of the blue. There isn’t a GM in MLB, aside from my poor Tribe’s Antonetti, who would swap Ellsbury for Ethier. Andre is a competent, above average player but he doesn’t bring the fast muscle twitch feel to the game Ellsbury does.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

I couldn’t find a “fast muscle twitch feel” stat so I just went with the basic career batting line:

Ellsbury: .297/.349/.442/.791
Ethier: .290/.362/.476/.838

I’m not devaluing Ellsbury, just stating the obvious fact that on offense he is not an upgrade over Ethier, and if he isn’t an upgrade, there’s no point in making the trade.

jmgatskiejr
2 years 8 months ago

I completely understand your use of statistical comparisons to try and make a bottom line. The influence of Bill James and the subsequent number crunching maestros has become so prevalent there has become a robotic feel to player comparisons.
While you mock the fast muscle twitch comment because it doesn’t show up on a fantasy league points awards category, it makes a huge difference in the actual way the player plays the game. Ellsbury is a dynamic baseball player who is a lot more fun to watch in the field defensively than Ethier, can wreak havoc on the basepaths, and legitimately bat anywhere from 1-3 in the order.
Stats are great, they add a ton of interest to the game during down time but during the 9+ innings fans are watching, an exciting player is a huge asset to a team.

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BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

I’m the last person to defend fantasy league style stats. Gotten in lots of arguments around here about the excessive quoting of pointless numbers like WAR, UZR, etc. So notice I cited only the basic, classic offensive stats. Fun to watch is all well and good, but in the end a team is going to want the performance if winning is what they want to do, so my point remains the same: the Dodgers are not going to trade Ethier to get a player with similar production abilities. Only a clear upgrade makes any sense.

IWND46
2 years 8 months ago

The dodgers can handle any contract now, they don’t care about the money. They will keep him unless they are moving Kemp to RF or Puig to the OF. Then again trading for him is a good idea for Maybe the Yankees,(Considering that they don’t resign Swisher,Ichiro, or Ibanez) PLUS it will be cheaper than Hamilton. Many reasons to trade for him, but not many to trade him away.

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

What might Sox have to give up in an Ethier trade? Money doesn’t really seem to be an issue for either side. Don’t think the Dodgers would want Jacoby unless they’re shooting for the most expensive outfield of all-time. So, Kalish + prospects? JB Jr.?

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

The Dodgers aren’t going to be playing prospects.

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

So Ellsbury + a few nice prospects not named Jackie Bradley Jr.? I’m down.

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

you’d be better off re signing ross and keeping ellsbury

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

I would be totally fine with Ross for another few years but I see Jacoby getting traded by this year’s deadline at the latest. I guess more likely it will be as part of a deal for a front-line starter tho..

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 8 months ago

Elsbury is a virtual rental and is not an upgrade.

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

Not necessarily a rental for a team like the Dodgers but yeah, I guess it wouldn’t really be a match for either side.

dc21892
2 years 8 months ago

Jackie Bradley is not being dealt for him… Not at all.

The Data
2 years 8 months ago

Credibility, mostly.

carlospudge
2 years 8 months ago

Would trading for Lester be possible? Maybe. Chicken and beer!!!!

Lunchbox45
2 years 8 months ago

original and hilarious…

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

Bad year or not, Lester is made available only if an Ace is coming back as part of the deal.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

you’re not getting an ace back for Lester at this point. It wouldn’t be Andre for Lester straight up, but if this is true, I could see him at least being part of the discussion

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

I’m not saying that Lester’s value is such that any team would be itching to deal an Ace-type pitcher in a trade for him. What I am saying is that the Red Sox current rotation needs (and Lester’s affordable contract) mean that he won’t be leaving the team unless an Ace-type pitcher is coming back in either the same deal or a simultaneous deal. What is the likely result of this situation? That Lester will not be traded.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

remember, Webster and De La Rosa will be in the rotation for some, and all of the year, respectively

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

Um..that’s far from a sure thing. De La Rosa could likely be competing for a spot in ST for sure but I don’t believe Webster is supposed to be ready this year..
And still, even if Lester WERE to leave..the Sox would NOT be content with Buchholz/Doubront/Lackey/De La Rosa/Morales or filler. They’re looking to add a TOP starter to improve and stabilize a rotation that was horrible last year.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

De La Rosa should be in the rotation. Webster was expected to be in the majors in 2013 when he was in LA. I’d expect him to start in AAA and be in the league by July. I understand your thought process though. I doubt Lester is dealt, but the Sox have more pitching than last season

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

I have to admit I do not know a ton about Webster and I did not realize he was viewed as that close to being MLB-ready. De La Rosa, I did realize. But, I think especially with Farrell coming back that the sox will hold off on making any rash decisions about Lester’s poor 2012 and see what kind of season he has before making a decision on his 2014 option, attempting to move him or trying to work out some kind of a long-term extension..

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

He was one of our top pitching prospects and some fans wanted to see him compete in ST for a rotation spot. I think he needs a little AAA, but our AAA is usually skipped by top prospects. I’d love to have Lester on the dodgers, but I would be very surprised if the BoSox dealt him

johnsilver
2 years 8 months ago

I don’t think Webster is even a starter in the future from the various reports have seen of him, or not a lot better than Workman at least except Webster is younger.

Lester isn’t going anywhere regardless. Other teams will be attempting to buy low on him all winter, but Cherrington isn’t about to fall for that ploy.

TElciram
2 years 8 months ago

You don’t even get an ace for someone who’s currently an ace. Halladay’s centerpiece was Kyle Drabek. Lol. Just because a player’s an ace doesn’t mean that’s what you get back, it’s about a lot more than that.

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

^^ One reason why it would be foolish for the Red Sox to trade Lester. Especially coming off a poor season.

Jim McGrath
2 years 8 months ago

Lester is getting down to the last two years on his contract. With comparable arms in FA I would move him for Ethier and move Andre to LF and either sign Ross or commit to Brentz or Linares for the season in RF.

BoSoXaddict
2 years 8 months ago

And what would your plans be for the Red Sox pitching rotation in this scenario? Seriously curious.

Jim McGrath
2 years 8 months ago

As in most good trades each team gets something they need. We need another bat and another corner of’der. In return we give up a pitcher , I believe, may be on the downward side of his career.

How to replace Lester–through another trade or FAgency. Talk about Ells for Holland. FA—Gavin Floyd, Shaun Marcum, Dan Haren, Edwin Jackson or Ervin Santana or someone else.

Buch, Lackey, Doubie, Morales and a PTBNL. I’m sure you watched or followed the Sox with your “handle”–Lester was far from the Lester we have been use to. There will be alot of movement in the months to come.Just my thought.

2 years 8 months ago

if it gets to that point in trading him hopefully Lester or maybe shields or price out in tampa if a 3rd team gets involved.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
2 years 8 months ago

If you meant Shields or Price to Bos, I doubt it would happen

2 years 8 months ago

No i mean if this is all start of a 3 team deal that can land Ethier somewhere else and that other team send prospects to tampa as well as the dodgers send prospects to tampa and they send shields and price to LA….