Cubs, Angels Discussed Marmol For Haren Swap

9:39pm: The Red Sox were said to also have interest in Haren but it doesn't appear that they will trade for him either, tweets Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com.  Meanwhile, a source tells Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com (via Twitter) that the deal is not necessarily dead but is unlikely at this point.

9:27pm: Marmol would have approved a trade to the Angels, but the Cubs pulled the deal off of the table, a source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  The Angels are still talking with other clubs about Haren as they close in on the 11pm CST deadline to exercise his $15.5MM option.

9:20pm: The trade will not take place, a Cubs source tells Carrie Muskat of MLB.com (via Twitter).

8:42pm: The deal will take place if Marmol agrees to join the Angels, a source told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).

8:29pm: The two sides haven't agreed to a trade, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  The Cubs did ask Marmol if he would waive his no-trade clause to go to the Halos, but the Angels are still speaking with other clubs (Twitter link).

8:09pm: The Angels and Cubs may be waiting on MLB approval because of the money being exchanged, tweets Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times.

7:56pm: Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com (via Twitter) hears that the deal has not been completed and the Angels are still active in discussions with more than one team.

6:49pm: The Cubs have acquired Dan Haren from the Angels in exchange for Carlos Marmol, confirms Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com (via Twitter).  The deal was first reported by Yancen Pujols of El Caribe (via Twitter, Spanish link).

The deal brings an end to an eventful week of rumors surrounding Haren, who was unlikely to see his $15.5MM option exercised by the Angels.  The Halos' deadline for picking up Haren's 2013 option is at 11pm CST and it's possible that it has been exercised as a part of the deal, but there is word on that yet.  The Halos deadline for picking up the option is 11pm CST.  We learned today that both the Cubs and Red Sox were in on the 32-year-old but Theo Epstein & Co. have apparently won out.

Marmol is entering the final year of his contract which will pay him $9.8MM.  The 30-year-old turned in a 3.42 ERA with 11.7 K/9 and 7.3 BB/9 through 61 appearances last season.  Marmol has spent his entire seven-year big league career with the Cubs and has a 3.38 ERA with 11.7 K/9 and 6.0 BB/9 during that stretch.

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter) notes that the Angels could help close the gap in salary by contributing all or part of Haren's $3.5MM buyout.


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193 Comments on "Cubs, Angels Discussed Marmol For Haren Swap"


Seth Guttman
2 years 9 months ago

I want to see the Cubs succeed so bad. They sat back and didn’t do anything last offseason…maybe different in year 2 of the theo era? There aren’t too many teams with a match for Hamilton…maybe the Cubs could be the sleeper?

SSHM
2 years 9 months ago

Absolutely not. Theo has continually talked about building through the farm system and having a young core. They will compete in 2014 at the earliest. By that time Hamilton could very likely begin to see a decline.

ARod's Ring
2 years 9 months ago

Shocker! Great trade for the Cubs! I feel like the Angels could have gotten a better younger reliever for Haren.

Mike Chan
2 years 9 months ago

Like Soriano maybe? Good Relievers aren’t hard to find.

sarcasm_robot
2 years 9 months ago

marmol is good when he’s on. when he sets up the slider with the fastball, he’s unhittable. when he falls in love with the slider, he gets wild. i believe they put in a policy in which marmol had to buy the pitching coach or manager a case of wine every time he shook off the catcher, and after that he was at his best.

Evan Olson
2 years 9 months ago

Horrible trade for the Angels

BMoreKind
2 years 9 months ago

Angels are happy to get him off the roster without having to eat the buyout clause payment. Marmol almost looks like punishment with that walk rate. Haren was a shadow of his former self last year and that is now two consecutive years of decline. He might do a bit better running out against the NL lineups, but I am glad the O’s (DD) did not bite.

Brian Stevenson
2 years 9 months ago

Pray tell how 2011 was a year of decline for him?

Haren had an off year last year. It happens to all but the most elite pitchers. To get a mere reliever for a workhorse with such a great track record, let alone one who can’t even handle the NL central anymore, is laughable.

PlaidArmour
2 years 9 months ago

Haren fared worse in the Senior Circuit.

LazerTown
2 years 9 months ago

Haren was still suitable as a backend starter on most teams. Struggled, but most teams would be happy having 170 innings, 4.33 in #5 slot. Marmol has really struggled over the past 2 years and has an xFIP over 4.00, and at $9.8M he is getting way overpaid for his performance.

BMoreKind
2 years 9 months ago

Pretty pricey for a #5 SP – I don’t think Marmol is all that, wouldn’t want him on the O’s roster either.

LazerTown
2 years 9 months ago

But in essense he only costs $5.7M more than Marmol does. Marmol was getting overpaid and was a bad contract.

BMoreKind
2 years 9 months ago

Yeah, I agree the Angels’ GM would have been hosed; just not convinced Haren is both healthy and destined to return to form.

Dick Armada
2 years 9 months ago

Angels bullpen was a total disaster last year, Marmol actually improves it, that’s how bad it was. Angels are probably planning to go hard after Greinke (duh), maybe another starter, or they know something is up with Haren.

LazerTown
2 years 9 months ago

Yea, but you would think they would be able to get more than Marmol at $9.8M. The way he has performed for 2 years has been very poor. Hoyer got a great deal.

2 years 9 months ago

Not happy. Have fun with Weaver, Wilson, Richards, Williams and Ronald Frickin McDonald next season Angels… bah

baseball52
2 years 9 months ago

It’s November…

2 years 9 months ago

Oh, that’s right because there are tons of top of the rotation quality pitchers available out there

Beersy
2 years 9 months ago

I was really hoping the Padres could have gotten Haren. By the looks of things he probably would’ve cost them Gregerson, that would have been quite the interesting deal.

MB923
2 years 9 months ago

What the heck are the Angels thinking?

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
2 years 9 months ago

Improving the OBP of the rest of the AL West?

MB923
2 years 9 months ago

lol win

CubsFan5
2 years 9 months ago

Hahaha. +1. Angels fans are in for a real treat

Eric
2 years 9 months ago

Good move for the Cubs. They trade an expensive relief arm for a solid middle of the rotation arm with possible upside.

Jimcass134
2 years 9 months ago

Isn’t Haren the Cubs ace as of right now?

Tony
2 years 9 months ago

He will most likely be #3, but could move to #4 depending on who the 2nd SP they add.

2 years 9 months ago

That will change very soon my friend. If Haren is healthy he might well be your ace

Tony
2 years 9 months ago

Maybe the Haren of a few years ago, but watching him pitch last year and watching Samardzija and Garza, I have to say #3 for Haren.

2 years 9 months ago

I would definitely say yes. Their ace, Dempster, is gone…he would easily project as the ace in the rotation. Im pissed my Padres didnt go after Haren. I would have given up Luke Gregerson + a prospect such as Rymer Liriano + Nick Hundley (just get him out of SD PLEASE). Angels pulled the trigger way too soon if this is all true.

DerekJeterDan
2 years 9 months ago

Garza-Haren-Shark with Wood and a Free Agent acquisition and the Cubs are going to be much better than last year. Glad Boston didn’t get him.

Mike Chan
2 years 9 months ago

Why not just sign Soriano then? Could’ve gotten some depth instead + low level prospects for Haren

BitLocker
2 years 9 months ago

Angels probably didn’t want to give up a draft pick.

padresgm
2 years 9 months ago

Why were the Padres not in on this…

2 years 9 months ago

What would your trade have been? Interested in seeing what Padre fans hypothetical trades would be

LazerTown
2 years 9 months ago

Cubs really didn’t give up much, especially since they probably wanted to unload marmol and his $9.8M salary.

padresgm
2 years 9 months ago

Luke Gregerson for Dan Haren and cash would have been intriguing.

baseball52
2 years 9 months ago

Nice! Basically financially neutral for the Cubs and get a more movable piece!

pastlives
2 years 9 months ago

seriously?

Mike Chan
2 years 9 months ago

Wow. Angels seem desperate to get rid of Haren.

Encarnacion's Parrot
2 years 9 months ago

Horrible trade by the Angels.

Bike
2 years 9 months ago

Well now nothing makes sense

johnsilver
2 years 9 months ago

Oh my..They figure Walden doesn’t walk enough late in the game, so bring in Marmol? Why not get Kevin Gregg also??

dudinator
2 years 9 months ago

well played, theo

DerekJeterDan
2 years 9 months ago

Edit – Poor Cubs fans. First Randall Delgado, now Haren. What a disappointment.

TheoHoyer
2 years 9 months ago

So who closes for the Cubs now? James Russell?

WrigleyTerror37
2 years 9 months ago

free agent i say they will go after Matt capps or Madson type

DerekJeterDan
2 years 9 months ago

Edit #3 The deal is contingent on Marmol’s approval. Rosenthal had the final say amidst the confusion.

To answer TheoHoyer’s question:
The Cubs will likely pursue a closer via Free Agency.

Howard
2 years 9 months ago

Soriano as closer maybe for the Cubs?

DerekJeterDan
2 years 9 months ago

If they are willing to spend.. I can see someone like Jonathon Broxton or Ryan Madson being a better fit. Similar bang for less buck.

avschamps
2 years 9 months ago

doesn’t matter, can’t be any worse than Marmol.

LazerTown
2 years 9 months ago

Don’t think it really matters. Marmol has really struggled over the past 2 years, and don’t think their biggest concern is a closer, especially since they are not competing right now.

iheartyourfart
2 years 9 months ago

unless they’re betting on rebuilding his value and flipping him at the deadline, i don’t see how it makes a whole lot of sense for them. they’re not close to winning and marmol was one of their tradeable assets – i think most GMs in Hoyer’s position would have tried to get some sort of prospect for him.

Tony
2 years 9 months ago

They wanted to add 2 SP for 2013. They wanted Marmol gone.

Getting a SP slot filled while only adding $2-$5M in payroll is a steal.

iheartyourfart
2 years 9 months ago

if they traded him for a prospect they could have probably added 1 or 2 pitchers via FA for the $13m or so they are paying Haren.

LazerTown
2 years 9 months ago

Marmol has really struggled ever since he signed that contract extension. He was overpaid as it is for his performance over the past 2 years, now for a few million more they get a much better player.

Howard
2 years 9 months ago

Good thing Theo didn’t take Vernon Wells with him…… lol

msg333
2 years 9 months ago

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LazerTown
2 years 9 months ago

This deal for the cubs is fantastic. Marmol for $9.8M was way overpaid, I’m surprised angels even want to take that salary on, based on how he has performed over the past 2 years.

Even if Haren doesn’t return to form the cubs should still be able to get a decent prospect for him, more than they would get for Marmol at this point. Haren struggled, but he still was fine as a #4/#5 on most teams.

daveypinstripes
2 years 9 months ago

I though Angels wanted to upgrade the bullpen and save money to resign Greinke? This does neither.

Kingmojo101
2 years 9 months ago

I think it’s a fair deal we needed a bullpen pitcher and they needed a starter,next we need a suiter for wells( please dodgers take him )and a re up greinke

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2 years 9 months ago

I really don’t get why the Angels would do this. 9.5 mil for Marmol is more palatable than 15.5 for Haren? Makes zero sense to me.

Tony
2 years 9 months ago

Take away the buyout and it is around $6M for Marmol. He actually was good after his rough start last year. Can’t say we are sad to see him go.

Welcome Dan Haren!!!

Tony
2 years 9 months ago

Scratch that, it looks like the Angels are sending $3.5M to Chicago since they would have had to pay that anyway.

Looks like Cubs get Haren for about $2.5M more than Marmol would have cost them.