Pirates Interested In Ike Davis, Mitch Moreland

7:28pm: The Pirates spoke to the Mets about trading for Davis, a source told Travis Sawchik of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

3:48pm: The Pirates have seen a pair of first base candidates come off the board in the past week with the Rays re-siging James Loney for $21MM over three years and the Mariners acquiring Logan Morrison. However, they're still looking at the trade market and currently have their sights set on Ike Davis and Mitch Moreland, according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports (Twitter link).

Davis' name has been most frequently connected to the Brewers in the past week, but Pittsburgh also has a hole to fill at first base. Davis batted .242/.334/.434 overall in 2013 but was strong against right-handed pitching, as can be seen in his .256/.356/.471 slash line. That would seem to make him an ideal platoon partner for Gaby Sanchez, who roughed up lefties at a .333/.438/.539 clip in 2013.

Moreland offers similar platoon issues, having batted just .236/.295/.362 against left-handers in his career. Both he and Davis can be controlled through the 2016 season, though Moreland is projected to earn just $2.7MM in 2014 (per MLBTR's Matt Swartz), while Davis is projected to earn $3.5MM next season. It's not known at this time what the Rangers would be looking for in return for Moreland. New York is said to be asking the Brewers to part with right-hander Tyler Thornburg.


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148 Comments on "Pirates Interested In Ike Davis, Mitch Moreland"


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N.K.T.
1 year 6 months ago

They need to do something. Would rather have Moreland than Davis personally

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Joseph
1 year 6 months ago

They definitely need to do something, either of the two would be great with Sanchez hitting against lefties.

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jalcorn427
1 year 6 months ago

Not sure they really do, why not find out about Lambo then adjust? Projection systems seem to like Lambo only slightly less than these guys. They are all in the 1-1.5 WAR range. Of course this presumes that Lambo can learn how to play 1B well in a short time period.

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1 year 6 months ago

Being a Ranger Fan, I can tell you this…

Mitch Moreland is a very good defensive first baseman. He’s streaky, but I think he’s the type of player that would benefit greatly from a change of scenery (kind of like Chris Davis). I think the Rangers have put too much pressure on him over the last couple of years and he’s always had to look over his shoulder at first base. I think playing for Hurdle would do him some good.

He does struggle against lefties, but before he got injured last year, he looked like he was just about to figure it all out. He’s good for 20+ HRs and solid defense. He’s slow on the bases, but he’s a good player and I’m sure the Pirates could do worse.

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Erik Christensen
1 year 6 months ago

I think a change of scenery would do Ike a lot of good too

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

I think Ike needs to get out of NY period. A change of scenery would really benefit Ike.

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Erik Christensen
1 year 6 months ago

I’m sure it would. I think most of his problems is he’s putting too much pressure on himself. If he went to a team where he wasn’t looked at as their main power hitter, he’d be able to turn his career around.

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

I don’t think it’s only that,but the constant booing from the fans has lowered his confidence,along with the managing,and FO. The lack of effective coaching has been a problem too

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$6544906
1 year 6 months ago

“Being a Mets Fan, I can tell you this about Davis, ditto to everything you stated about Moreland, and I mean Ditto!!!

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BucSox
1 year 6 months ago

Lambo is playing there in winter league and he has MiLB experience there as well so 1B isn’t going to be that hard for him to adjust to.

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Brad
1 year 6 months ago

As a mets fan I can tell you this…

Ike Davis doesn’t have what it takes to hang around major league pitching.

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

I’m a Mets fan,and former Mets sportswriter also. Ike is a player who plays solid defense(not great). A change of scenery really could help him. He needs to get away from the coaching,the Mets fans,and the managing. 80% of his career has been constant booing by the Mets.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

Maybe you should put on your glasses when watching the game then. As a Mets fan, I can assure you your opinion is not valid at all. He may never be a Major League great but he looks to be good enough to stick around on a 25 man roster somewhere.

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jalcorn427
1 year 6 months ago

Not sure they really do, why not find out about Lambo then adjust? Projection systems seem to like Lambo only slightly less than these guys. They are all in the 1-1.5 WAR range. Of course this presumes that Lambo can learn how to play 1B well in a short time period.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

Davis has the better career numbers. Your comment basically makes zero sense.

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Taylor
1 year 6 months ago

Is Lambo asking too much?

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Rico Carson
1 year 6 months ago

For which player? The Pirates might not have room for Lambo if they acquire one of these guys.

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Taylor
1 year 6 months ago

Thinking moreland. Im just thinking out loud the rangers need an OF/DH

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Joseph
1 year 6 months ago

He isn’t proven

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Taylor
1 year 6 months ago

I understand I just think he looks promising

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Pei Kang
1 year 6 months ago

As a Met fan: please take Ike! And, I don’t mind what kind of prospect my team receives.

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Joseph
1 year 6 months ago

Gladly!

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rct
1 year 6 months ago

I’ll never understand this reasoning. He’s better than Duda, has way more upside than Duda, and the Mets don’t figure to contend next season. He’s shown plenty of positive signs and should be on a team who has the time/ability to give him another shot. How is that not the Mets?

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Chris Koch
1 year 6 months ago

money. 3.5mil for potentially a bench player who doesn’t at anything to the team aside from PHs. And if he struggles batting now, how awful will he struggle when not playing regularly? 3.5mil now becomes 4-6mil next season while still having the same issue. Duda or Davis at 1b.
I don’t understand how money can be an issue for a NY team…but they certainly seem to run a tight budget.

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Pei Kang
1 year 6 months ago

money is an issue for any team when their ownership are tightwad worthless-and supposedly broke cheapstakes.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

Not tightwads until Madoff hit. The Mets were consistently in the top 5 and often #2 in Major League payrolls between the time the Wilpons bought out the team from Doubleday and Madoff breaking.

They spent their money poorly but that’s a different argument. The fact is they spent pretty much more than any other team other than the Yankees and occasionally the Red Sox/Phillies.

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Pei Kang
1 year 6 months ago

sure, he has more potential than Duda, but he has regressed terribly and has low OBP even when good. I wouldn’t MIND giving him another shot, to be honest, but….another poor year or half year, his value would plummet to zero. Right now, it’s almost zero.

Duda has plate discipline, and some power and is a decent first base guy defensively. We KNOW he can put up 18-20 homers in a decent full season.

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rct
1 year 6 months ago

Can Duda play a full season, though? The most he’s ever done is 121 games. And is he a ‘decent’ first baseman? He’s only had 80+ games there in the majors.

Just for fun, Duda’s second half last season (in only 39 games) was .196/.348/.359.

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Pei Kang
1 year 6 months ago

yeah, true enough. But, there’s only one way to find out, right? Plus, Ike’s struggles with the bat last season afflicted his fielding….meh. they both aren’t great options.

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rct
1 year 6 months ago

It’s a shame one of them isn’t right handed, would make a serviceable platoon. Although there’s Satin. Meh.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

Ike’s second half last season (in only 38 games): .286/.449/.505

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

Incidentally, Ike has never had a “poor year”. He’s had two horrific first halves but in both cases, his second halves were among the best hitting lines in the entire game. Love it when people make stuff up to fit their perceptions.

Also, you say that Ike has a low OBP and that Duda has “plate discipline” – Davis has a higher career walk rate (12.1% to 11.3%) and a higher 2013 walk rate (15.1% to 14.3%).

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

Incidentally, Ike has never had a “poor year”. He’s had two horrific first halves but in both cases, his second halves were among the best hitting lines in the entire game. Love it when people make stuff up to fit their perceptions.

Also, you say that Ike has a low OBP and that Duda has “plate discipline” – Davis has a higher career walk rate (12.1% to 11.3%) and a higher 2013 walk rate (15.1% to 14.3%).

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

He’s got a higher ceiling than Duda but a lower floor. Their batting lines are pretty similar and their defense is pretty similar too, now. Ike was a better fielder before his ankle injury but now it’s a wash.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

He’s got a higher ceiling than Duda but a lower floor. Their batting lines are pretty similar and their defense is pretty similar too, now. Ike was a better fielder before his ankle injury but now it’s a wash.

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MadmanTX
1 year 6 months ago

Moreland for Andrew McCutchen–don’t think about it, Pirates…Just say YES!

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gammaraze
1 year 6 months ago

So many down-votes, some people don’t get humor… I feel sorry for them.

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bob
1 year 6 months ago

except it has to be funny…

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gammaraze
1 year 6 months ago

Thank God you aren’t in charge of comedy.

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bob
1 year 6 months ago

I get that you are the guy at parties who laughs at your own jokes but no one else does

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bob
1 year 6 months ago

Josh Harrison for Darvish, Profar, and Choice….Just say YES

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gammaraze
1 year 6 months ago

Proof: copycat gets a much higher 4:1 up-to-down vote ratio. Thanks for proving my point

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Kevin Chen
1 year 6 months ago

The mets will need maybe one of the following from the pirates for Ike davis : Josh Bell, Glasnow, or heredia!

Davis has a lot of power potential and still and a least 3 more years of his contract left!

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Rico Carson
1 year 6 months ago

They are going to get Jeff Locke and be happy with it.

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mikefichera
1 year 6 months ago

Mets won’t take Locke. No spot for him on the team. We have at least 3 guys that can put up his numbers in our minors right now.

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TL
1 year 6 months ago

Probably more along the lines of Jeff Locke

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Brian
1 year 6 months ago

Disagree, I think the best fit is actually Nick Kingham. Heredia and Glasnow are too far from the majors and the Mets are known to prefer pitching in return for Davis.

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Rico Carson
1 year 6 months ago

Kingham is a prospect similar to the Mets Zack Wheeler or Noah Syndergaard. If the Brewers said no about Tyler Thornburg, the Mets are not getting Kingham.

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Brian
1 year 6 months ago

Kingham is not rated nearly as highly as Wheeler or Syndergaard. The arms in the Pittsburgh system that are on that level are Cole and Taillon. Glasnow is the next best arm and then comes Kingham but they are not at the same level as Wheeler or Syndergaard at all.

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Rico Carson
1 year 6 months ago

Glasnow is only rated higher than Kingham because he is a teenager who is 6’7″ and already touching 100 MPH. Kingham throws his fastball in the 93-98 range consistently and is developing his offspeed pitches nicely. I imagine that Syndergaard is probably a better prospect than Wheeler was, but Kingham is a lot like Wheeler. Taillon’s talent level is close to Harvey, and better than either Syndergaard or Wheeler.

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Brian
1 year 6 months ago

I think you’re inflating some of the Pirates prospects’ values just a bit. Most prospect lists have Taillon and Syndergaard about equal. Glasnow is typically in the middle of top 100 lists. I don’t think I’ve seen Kingham on a top 100 list at all. It’s entirely possible I missed something in my reading but I doubt the Pirates have 4-5 arms (Cole, Taillon, Glasnow, Kingham, Heredia) in their system that are Wheeler caliber or better.

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Rico Carson
1 year 6 months ago

So you think Heredia is a top 100 prospect? as of right now, I would have Kingham on a top 100 list over Heredia, but the Pirates have a strong group of big right handed pitchers who command some serious heat.

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Destry
1 year 6 months ago

Taillon and Syndergaard are usually ranked pretty close to each other, Glasnow and Montero are both in the back half of the top 100 lists. Glasnow usually ranking a bit higher, but I haven t seen Kingham on a top 100 so I would think Kingham would be ranked closely to Steven Matz or Michael Fulmer, if that high.

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

It’s a constant battle between who gets ranked #3,or #4

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

Glasnow still has a while to go. He has touched a 100 mph,but he has issues which he needs to settle out in the minors. He will be top 30,and maybe 20-30 next year if he gets his issues settled out.

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Chris Koch
1 year 6 months ago

But yet they do. Of course you’re thinking caliber as it stands today. Not potential caliber, which is what all 5 of them have a potential to be Wheeler caliber. You can’t go strictly by numbered rankings as their level and age is going to affect it.
Glasnow/Kingham are both 2 years away. Watch by mid-season this year they both are in the top 100. And if they both show up the hype they are creating now, then maybe even a jump to the towards the top 50 by season’s end.
See Syndergaard was a guy with 2pitches when drafted. Kingham/Glasnow are guys with 1pitch when drafted and if learned a secondary pitch become Syndergaard. The hype being raised on both is they are seeing success with the new pitches they are learning.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

“See Syndergaard was a guy with 2pitches when drafted. Kingham/Glasnow are guys with 1pitch when drafted and if learned a secondary pitch become Syndergaard.”

Well, yeah, but if it were that easy, we’d have a lot more Verlanders and Kershaws in the big leagues. Most prospects flame out.

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Chris Koch
1 year 6 months ago

You don’t get the point. The reason there is hype behind these Pirates Pitchers is that their secondary offerings are showing signs of being really good. Plus pitches as the scouts call it. Before they weren’t. No it’d be different if Glasnow and Kingham were drafted in the 1st round because of having 95+MPH heat with average secondary stuff that if improved makes them #2/3 pitchers. But instead the secondary stuff stays just that, average. Those are the guys you are referring to. Or they have 2Pitches but have to find the strike zone and never do.
And in case you hadn’t noticed, Baseball is becoming a Pitchers paradise again, we are seeing more Verlanders/Kershaws nowadays…Wheeler/Harvey being a couple of them.

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mikefichera
1 year 6 months ago

Consistently in the 93-98 range huh, sounds inconsistent to me.

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Chris Koch
1 year 6 months ago

It’s the difference of a 2seam or a 4seam fastball. Which one the Pitcher/Catcher stick with is how the number will become more consistent.

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

Wheeler was more highly praised then Syndergaard. The reason Noah isn’t as praised is ,because he lacks a strong offspeed pitch. His changeup is still in development,and has + potential,and his curve has potential to be average. Both are slightly below average now.Syndergaard has excellent control though that Wheeler doesn’t have,and both have + fastballs with ++ ceiling fastballs.
Tailion still has control issues though,same with Cole. His ceiling is Matt Harvey though. I think Archie Bradley is the most talented in the pitching class,but with Walker slightly trailing him. Syndergaard has the Harvey ceiling definitley as well. A underatted prospect with that ceiling too is Gilioto.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

Giolito’s quite young as well. If he reaches his potential and Cecchini is a bust, Mets fans will not be happy.

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paqza
1 year 6 months ago

No, Rico. Not at all. Wheeler and Syndergaard were comparable to Cole/Taillon (Cole being the best of the 4 prospects). Kingham is not in the same discussion, at all. Not even close. Not yet, anyway. He could certainly improve year to year.

Taillon is definitely in that elite prospect tier but he’s quite a bit ahead of Kingham. And Wheeler was quite one of the top 5 RHP in the Minors when he had eligibility. MLB has Taillon as the 3rd best RHP in the Minors and Syndergaard as 4th – not much of a difference there.

In short, you’re overrating Kingham and underrating how Wheeler was perceived in 2011/2012.

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frankiet91175
1 year 6 months ago

I think Wheeler is going to be what Harvey was last year. Remember when Harvey came up in 2012 his numbers weren’t anything they were in 13. He took after that so watch for Wheeler to be dominant this coming season.

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Rico Carson
1 year 6 months ago

Glasnow is only rated higher than Kingham because he is a teenager who is 6’7″ and already touching 100 MPH. Kingham throws his fastball in the 93-98 range consistently and is developing his offspeed pitches nicely. I imagine that Syndergaard is probably a better prospect than Wheeler was, but Kingham is a lot like Wheeler. Taillon’s talent level is close to Harvey, and better than either Syndergaard or Wheeler.

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Chris Koch
1 year 6 months ago

Let them progress over this next season and see where their rankings turn up. I don’t think it’s about ratings as it is upside.
Both Kingham/Glasnow have #2 to #1 upside should it all come together.
Rankings also seem to favor 1st rd choices early while later round choices have a long hard road to climb up the ladder.

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daveineg
1 year 6 months ago

Thornburg has 88 major league innings under his belt with a 2.64 ERA and is penciled in as the 5th starter. Heck, he was their best starter the last month. Regardless of his relative ceiling, he’s a guy the Brewers just can’t afford to give up at this time. They have other decent guys close to ready like Nelson and Hellweg, but those guys are more iffy. Kingham is a year or two away and the Bucs have time to make up for his loss and other guys in the pipeline. But I can understand the reluctance.

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

I don’t think the Mets are getting anyone on Kinghams level without a package to go around him.

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Rico Carson
1 year 6 months ago

Kingham is a prospect similar to the Mets Zack Wheeler or Noah Syndergaard. If the Brewers said no about Tyler Thornburg, the Mets are not getting Kingham.

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Mike Adamson
1 year 6 months ago

Wasting posts with these names. Maybe someone like Andrew Oliver but teams aren’t just giving top prospects away.

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

we need a ss.

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jalcorn427
1 year 6 months ago

Bwahahaha, funny. Just resign yourself to the inevitable march towards trading Davis for a projectible RH reliever. No one is giving up top prospects for a guy that the Mets all but gave up on in 2013. If the had any faith in him they would not be trading him.

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mikefichera
1 year 6 months ago

Met’s won’t give him away, they’d keep him first. You’ll see. They don’t have much to lose if he starts the season with them. His value is literally rock bottom right now, worst case scenario it stays the same or he gets better.

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Mike Adamson
1 year 6 months ago

Then they keep him but the Mets aren’t getting a top prospect for a guy they are selling low on.

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mikefichera
1 year 6 months ago

I agree.

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

Agreed alone the Mets aren’t getting any top prospect. At the most for Davis alone they will get a propsect who is within 10-20 of a teams farm,or a RH reliever.

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Chris Koch
1 year 6 months ago

3.5million is a waste on a benchplayer. And every game he winds up sitting on the bench lowers his value more. Or the Mets play him and sit disgusted that they have a .220/.310/.390 line that as well worsens his value more. You’re then looking at Davis being non-tendered next offseason and likely going the minor league contract route. That would be rock bottom.

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jalcorn427
1 year 6 months ago

Bwahahaha, funny. Just resign yourself to the inevitable march towards trading Davis for a projectible RH reliever. No one is giving up top prospects for a guy that the Mets all but gave up on in 2013. If the had any faith in him they would not be trading him.

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TheSharkTankisNasty
1 year 6 months ago

A little piece of me died when you asked for Glasnow. Bell won’t happen either. Heredia, probably not.

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TheSharkTankisNasty
1 year 6 months ago

A little piece of me died when you asked for Glasnow. Bell won’t happen either. Heredia, probably not.

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Mike Adamson
1 year 6 months ago

Laughable… Enjoy Davis Brewers!

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SeanE
1 year 6 months ago

I almost died in my seat laughing. I would offer the Pirates a package,and try to land Hanson if anything.

Hanson would be expensive though