Phillies Make Hamels Available; Dodgers Interested

WEDNESDAY: The Phillies have requested multiple top prospects from the Dodgers, Red Sox and Yankees, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, but officials who have expressed interest get the impression that Philadelphia isn’t serious about trading its ace.

MONDAY, 3:50pm: In today’s Rumblings & Grumblings column, ESPN’s Jayson Stark touched on Hamels’ availability (highlights from the rest of the piece can be seen here, though it’s worth reading in its entirety).

Officials from other teams tell Stark that the Phillies are asking for each team’s top three or four prospects in any Hamels deal, but they’re only willing to eat about $10MM of the remaining $90MM+ on Hamels’ contract. Stark quotes one unnamed executive, who told him, “Ruben wants his doors blown off in order to trade him. And you don’t get your doors blown off if this kind of money is attached. It doesn’t work that way.”

Meanwhile, Morosi hears that the Dodgers and Cardinals are the two most likely clubs to acquire Hamels (Twitter link).

3:03pm: Though we’ve been hearing for weeks that the Phillies won’t move ace Cole Hamels, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports hears that the team has now made the lefty available, and the Dodgers are interested (Twitter link). However, the asking price on Hamels is still said to be very high, per Morosi.

Recently, it was reported that Hamels could block trades to 20 teams. The nine teams to which Hamels cannot block a trade are the Dodgers, Angels, Cardinals, Nationals, Braves, Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers and Padres, so he wouldn’t have any say should the Dodgers put together a strong enough offer.

Hamels, 30, is enjoying yet another strong season atop Philadelphia’s rotation, having pitched to a 2.72 ERA with 9.2 K/9, 2.9 BB/9 and a 47.5 percent ground-ball rate in 122 1/3 innings. He’s earning $22.5MM in 2014 and is guaranteed $90MM from 2015-18, with a $20MM club option for the 2019 season that can vest at $24MM with 400 innings from 2017-18 or 200 innings in 2018. He has about $7.87MM remaining on this year’s salary, meaning that he’s guaranteed another $97.87MM and could earn as much as $121.87MM before hitting free agency.

The Dodgers appear to be looking to make a big splash on the pitching front, as they’ve been oft-linked to David Price and have recently been heavily connected to Red Sox ace Jon Lester. Los Angeles has reportedly been loath to part with both Corey Seager and Joc Pederson in trades, but it’s worth wondering if they’d part with both hitters in order to acquire someone with so much team control remaining. Left-hander Julio Urias has seen his stock skyrocket in 2014 as well, while other pitching prospects such as Zach Lee, Chris Anderson and Tom Windle have delivered relatively disappointing results this year.

The Dodgers’ interest in Hamels isn’t entirely surprising, as the team could lose Zack Greinke to an opt-out clause following the 2015 season. Hamels would give them a dominant arm to pair with Clayton Kershaw in the event that Greinke signs elsewhere.


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325 Comments on "Phillies Make Hamels Available; Dodgers Interested"


JMO
1 year 1 month ago

The Reds should trade Cueto for Pederson/Seager/J Urias.

YanksFan4EverNamed_Nick
1 year 1 month ago

They don’t even want to give up one of them u think they will give up 3 lol

DieHardMsFan
1 year 1 month ago

He is still cheap and is controlled for a year and a half. I agree that all three is too much but taking into account his age, performance and contract situation the Reds should be asking for two of the three.

SeanE
1 year 14 days ago

doesn’t make sense for L.A

Trock
1 year 1 month ago

Maybe the Dodgers will just give Pederson to the Reds for free. Great idea!

Douglas Rau
1 year 1 month ago

The Dodgers would rather move Ethier or Kemp for very little in terms of products in return and even send cash to pay their salary and open a spot for Pederson, rather than trade him.

SeanE
1 year 14 days ago

Nobody wants Either after this season.

Douglas Rau
1 year 14 days ago

Nobody wants either of them. That’s the problem. Still, can’t hurt to hold to them and hope that one or the other rebuilds a little trade value early next season.

sherrilltradedooverexperience
1 year 1 month ago

well a minority of red sox fans will somehow make an argument that this development actually increases the value they can demand for lester

Alz147
1 year 1 month ago

What are you talking about? As if the Phillies will want anything less than what the Sox are demanding for Lester…likely even more due to the fact that he’s signed beyond 2014.
Hamels or not, there is gonna be a markt for Lester. Not to mention the fact that the Phillies ace is unlikely to be moved at this point if you ask me. Screams like an off-season deal to me. Phillies might force someone to take Howard as well.

TommyC
1 year 1 month ago

Cole is the most valuable piece the Phillies have over the next four years. They can’t afford to use him as a means to dump Howard’s contract. If they do that, they get nothing of value in return for Hamels.

Bertin Lefkovic
1 year 1 month ago

How about Hamels, Howard, Lee, and Papelbon to the Yankees for Almonte, Banuelos, Beltran, Judge, Robertson, Sanchez, Severino, and Whitley?

Tko11
Tko11
1 year 1 month ago

If the Yankees take all those contracts and give up that price in prospects, I hope you wouldn’t consider that a win for the Yankees.

Bertin Lefkovic
1 year 1 month ago

I would consider it a good deal for both teams. Yankees are going to have a tough decision to make with Robertson this offseason anyway, so swapping him for Papelbon gives Betances more time to mature, while clearly creating a path for him to become the closer.

Beltran has become a DH anyway, so the difference in dollars between him and Howard is worth giving the Yankees another 1B option, especially if it helps them get Hamels and Lee. Are Judge, Sanchez, and Severino enough on their own to get Hamels? Does Almonte, Banuelos, and Whitley get the Yankees Lee? I doubt it. If I am wrong, I am willing to pay less, but I think that this deal makes sense for both the Yankees and the Phillies.

Douglas Rau
1 year 1 month ago

1) No trade clauses in this proposal: Beltran (full), Howard (21 teams so basic math will tell you it’s highly likely the Yankees are on there), Lee (confirmed, Yankees are on his list), Papelbon (can block trade to 17 teams). I could stop there. There’s no way they’d get all 4 of them to waive their no-trade clauses.

2) Howard’s due $25 million in ’15 AND ’16 and has a $23 million team option or a $10 million buyout for 2017. And here’s his numbers for this season: .224/.306/.380. I get the thinking is if the Yankees take that bad contract, they supposedly wouldn’t have to give up as much in terms of prospects but if you’re dealing Judge, Severino and Sanchez as it is, why take on Howard as well?

3) If Beltran truly is, as you say, a DH now, what are the Phillies going to do with him?

4) Lee is due $25 million in each of the next 2 seasons and then has a $27.5 million club option for 2017 or a $12.5 million buyout. On top of that, his two starts this past week were pretty bad. If I”m the Phillies, I might wait until after July 31st and hope some team claims him off waivers and then pull the old “his ENTIRE contract is your problem now!” trick.

HHI_Golf_Guy
1 year 1 month ago

That would be a ridiculously bad deal for the Yankees. Bad contracts and bad players. Howard is done. Lee is almost done. There probably isn’t a more “me first” player in the league than Papelbon. Hamels is a star, but acquiring him isn’t worth taking those other players and their contracts.

Bertin Lefkovic
1 year 1 month ago

And a 72hr negotiating window with Robertson. If the Phillies cannot lock him up long-term, they can send him back to the Yankees and take Shawn Kelley instead. Deal?

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

Hamels and Lester are almost the same exact pitcher for the career in terms of comparability and have almost identical resumes in terms of post season success. That said, I don’t think they really affect each other in this case considering Hamels is under control for 4-5 years where as Lester is a true rental and wouldn’t give a team a draft pick if he walks which is going to limit his value.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

Hamels and Lester are almost the same exact pitcher for the career in terms of comparability and have almost identical resumes in terms of post season success. That said, I don’t think they really affect each other in this case considering Hamels is under control for 4-5 years where as Lester is a true rental and wouldn’t give a team a draft pick if he walks which is going to limit his value.

TheFenwayFaithful
1 year 1 month ago

Agreed. However, keep in mind, Lester pitches in the usually offensive powerhouse AL East. Hamels pitches more games against some much weaker offenses. I haven’t looked at the splits and maybe I’m completely off-base, but I always am very wary about an AL team about bringing in NL pitchers. I think Hamels is an exception because of his stuff, but an awful lot of NL pitchers that come to the AL run back to the NL shortly thereafter.

Edit: This is speaking to their career, not 2014.

Dylan MacKinnon
1 year 1 month ago

What hurts the red Sox in a Lester deal is that they are too forawrd with trading him. Phils are more likley to get more prospects back because there is at least the perception they dont want to trade him. Wheter that is true or not, teams know it will be harder to negotiate with them, and know they will have to give up a lot.

sherrilltradedooverexperience
1 year 1 month ago

i am talking about a minority of sox fans. no one argued that there is no market for Lester. The phillies being unlikely to move hamels is a fact you are asserting, nobody else. i’m trying to find a point in what you are saying but it just kind of sounds like a red sox fan arguing that somehow if the phillies make Hamels available that that in no way affects how much the sox can ask for lester.

sherrilltradedooverexperience
1 year 1 month ago

i am talking about a minority of sox fans. no one argued that there is no market for Lester. The phillies being unlikely to move hamels is a fact you are asserting, nobody else. i’m trying to find a point in what you are saying but it just kind of sounds like a red sox fan arguing that somehow if the phillies make Hamels available that that in no way affects how much the sox can ask for lester.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

Phillies fans: The only reason to deal Hamels is if you can rebuild your farm system in doing so
Dodgers fans: We’ll pay his salary for you, but we’re not giving up any prospects along with it.
Phillies fans: The Phillies don’t need to get rid of salary per se, they need to send money out with big contracts to pile up the prospects they don’t currently have.
Annnnnd….go

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

That pretty accurately sums up almost every conversation from the Phillies side. Don’t need teams to take on salary (we’re even willing to take some on) – but desperately need prospects (we’ve got a decent, not great, top 5 – but it drops off quickly after that).

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

Sums it up well, with the lack of production they’ve gotten in CF, I highly doubt the Dodgers will look to trade pederson. Trading one good prospect for Lester and signing him to an extension makes more sense then trading for Hamels and giving up a package like Pederson/Seager/Lee

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

The Phillies could include someone like Ben Revere or maybe Marlon Byrd and shift Puig or Kemp back into center field.

KJ4realz
1 year 1 month ago

I’ve honestly thought about having Revere added in a package with Hamels or Lee, especially if moved to Seattle.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

The Phillies could include someone like Ben Revere or maybe Marlon Byrd and shift Puig or Kemp back into center field.

Tko11
Tko11
1 year 1 month ago

What exactly did the Phillies expect out of Revere when they traded for him in the offseason? Seems like all his stats are about the same as always. He will hit for average and steal bases and not much else…

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

I think they also expected him to increase his OBP as his years went on and become a really good lead off hitter, but it’s been the opposite. They also failed to realize how much of a defensive liability he is due to his noodle arm.

Tko11
Tko11
1 year 1 month ago

Even in the minors his OBP was weak.

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

Yeah, who knows what the Phillies were thinking. Just one of the many bad moves. May is also killing it this year in AAA.

Tko11
Tko11
1 year 1 month ago

Its just time for Ruben to go.

TheRealRyan
1 year 1 month ago

I always thought of him as a decent fielder, but after looking it up he really isn’t that good. It looks like its just not his arm either. His range stats are poor also which surprises me with his speed. He must take some really bad angles or has terrible jumps. Either way, his D looks better suited to LF, but he doesn’t have the bat to play there. He really looks like he should be a 4th OF/pinch runner at this point.

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

He was absolutely stellar in RF in Minnesota. He’s built like a CF, but he doesn’t have the arm, and apparently he’s just not able to play it well enough.

Interestingly, his arm didn’t hurt him nearly as much in RF as it has in CF, which you’d think would be the opposite… But it’s possible that Target Field’s RF is so deep that even average arms would have difficulty with some of those throws, so the ground he could cover was more valuable/important.

Since_77
1 year 1 month ago

If they are making Hamels available because they are rebuilding wouldn’t also make the 35 year old Utley also available?

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

If Utley is in as far as the destination goes, I think he would have always been available.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

Utley has 10-5 rights. Phillies can make him available all they want. Uts has the final say.

lt michaels
1 year 1 month ago

If the Phils trade Hamels , Utley will waive his no trade clause as the Phils would most likely be in full rebuild mode.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

That’s your opinion – but do you have any evidence to back that up?

lt michaels
1 year 1 month ago

Yeah I kind of do. From Utley himself who said he doent plan on going anywhere but if management tells me they dont want me here I will change my mind. If Phils management trade Hamels they are basically saying its time to start over and move on.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

He actually said if they “tell him they no longer want him in Philly, he may change his mind.” And then followed that up with “I really like playing in Philly”.
I don’t think trading a starter (even one as good as Hamels) is them telling him he is no longer wanted. I think he’d literally have to be run out of town, in order to want to leave (and I don’t see Philly fans doing that to Utley).

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

Utley’s not dumb – a Hamels trade wouldn’t signal anything he doesn’t already know.

Eric Mack
1 year 1 month ago

It’s not like they’re in contention right now. He should waive them regardless.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

No he shouldn’t. He’s a 10-5 player and he’s earned the right to decide what he wants to do. If he wants to retire in Philadelphia he can. He’s won a ring already and there’s no guarantee he wins another one if he leaves.

timpa
1 year 1 month ago

If the Dodgers get Hamels that could push the Giants to then add Utley.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

Chase has 10-5 rights and is adamant about staying Philly. Only place I think he’d accept a deal to is San Fransisco.

Plus they want him there to sell tickets and mentor the younger guys as they come up (for whatever that’s worth). I think with Hamels, they’re trying to cash in on the best season of his career.

TommyC
1 year 1 month ago

He is available. Utley is the one saying he doesn’t wish to go anywhere. I’m sure RAJ has been pushing them hard, but in a trade involving Chase or Jimmy, those two have the final say.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

Jimmy’s been available since 2012. They almost had a deal worked out with the Dodgers for a Dee Gordon/Jimmy Rollins type of swap but something fell through.

Since_77
1 year 1 month ago

I am sure the Yanks would be interested in Utley because he would a an upgrade over Brian Roberts but that contract is terrible.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

?????
He’s got 1 more appropriately priced year then a bunch of years with vesting options where if he gets hurt or is no longer effective, they go away.

Hey Its Placido Polanco
1 year 1 month ago

?????
He’s got 1 more appropriately priced year then a bunch of years with vesting options where if he gets hurt or is no longer effective, they go away.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

He’s paid like the best second baseman in the National League (which he arguably is). His contract is beyond team friendly.

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

Utley is on a great contract

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

Hamels has been available since the off season to any team willing to blow the Phillies away. It’s their level of sincerity though that would be more newsworthy, meaning whether the asking price has been lowered or not. Maybe they see an opportunity to strike while they have the best pitcher on the market with the most control.

I think it would still take Urias, Seager, and Pederson in some type of package plus two other lottery type guys.

KJ4realz
1 year 1 month ago

Any 2 of those 3 would be good but I highly doubt the phillies could get those 3 plus 2 additional pieces.

That’s be ridiculous and I may apologize slightly to Amaro. Slightly.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 1 month ago

Plus $120M in salary relief? That would be ridiculous.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

Which is why they won’t move him. They could get a package equivalent to Pederson + a few B’s and C’s in 2 years when they have a better idea of who they need to pair with Crawford, Franco, Nola, Quinn, and whomever.

And just to clarify, I meant two of the three. Personally, I’m not very high on Pederson as a center piece in a deal for a talent like Cole Hamels, I’d prefer Seager.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 1 month ago

Plus $120M in salary relief? That would be ridiculous.

vtadave
1 year 1 month ago

In that case then, Hamels will remain a Phillie.

lt michaels
1 year 1 month ago

Hamels and Kershaw would be absolutely sick. Hamels era in the NL west would hover around 2. Hope the Phillies do the right thing and move him to a contender.

Eric Mack
1 year 1 month ago

I doubt it would be close to 2.00

Maybe, at best, 2.50.

lt michaels
1 year 1 month ago

Dont underestimate the difference in pitching in the bandbox of Philly and the humidity drenched parks of the east coast to playing in Dodger Stadium and the NL West.

lt michaels
1 year 1 month ago

I cant tell you how many (Hamels)flyball HR’ Ive seen land in the flower boxes of CBP that would be routine outs at west and in Dodger Stadium

Bleed_Orange
1 year 1 month ago

Dylan Bundy, Edwardo Rodriguez, Tim Berry, Michael Ohlman and Matt Hobgood for Hammel and 45mil.

Nathan Justice
1 year 1 month ago

Do it!

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

Not enough. Probably wouldn’t have any wheels without Bundy and Harvey.

Ashley Christman
1 year 1 month ago

I like this deal a whole lot better than the Jon Lester deal, who has said he doesn’t want to be anywhere but Boston and will not extend his contract so essentially they would give up Kemp which is a horrible idea. To get a pitcher who doesn’t want to be there for what 2 month’s? Bad deal! Lester said he will do everything in his power to get back to Boston. So why would we want someone who doesn’t want to be there?

sherrilltradedooverexperience
1 year 1 month ago

because a few red sox fans really want la to give then 3 top 20 prospects for half a season of lester because it is the absolute best scenario for them.

Ashley Christman
1 year 1 month ago

It makes no sense what so ever! Kemp who is finally getting around to being himself. He may have ego problems, this is true, but still one hell of a outfielder and has a great bat. I can’t see trading him. And there is no way on the face of this earth they’re trading Pedersen or seager or urias. I say if they must van slyke or Crawford. Which I think are great players as well.

vtadave
1 year 1 month ago

Sorry Ashley, but Crawford and Van Slyke are far from “great” players. The Dodgers would certainly move Crawford for a bag of balls should some team actually want him.

sherrilltradedooverexperience
1 year 1 month ago

because a few red sox fans really want la to give then 3 top 20 prospects for half a season of lester because it is the absolute best scenario for them.

Dustin Smith
1 year 1 month ago

No lester said he would be open to going back to Boston. He didn’t say he’ll do anything in his power. Especially if Boston ends up 30-40 million less than what other teams offer him

TommyL
1 year 1 month ago

Pederson, Arruebarrena, Lee, and Anderson for Hamels

IdontknowwhyIpostonforums
1 year 1 month ago

That is probably the first sensible offer I have seen. People who think that Pederson, Urias and Seager are going to be included are delusional and if Ned did that, he should be fired on the spot.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 1 month ago

People that think the Dodgers will keep Pederson, Urias and Seager are equally delusional. At least two would be required in a trade for Hamels.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 1 month ago

Doubtful. Most teams cannot even consider taking on a $120M contract. The number of teams that can knock on that door has to limit the demands made by the seller. The Dodgers are not going to pay Hamels $23M a year AND give away the farm.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 1 month ago

Then they will live without Hamels, which I must say is the most logical choice. The Dodgers do not need Hamels but the Phillies don’t need to trade him either. Hamels certainly doesn’t become a Dodger unless they give away the farm.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 1 month ago

I don’t see either team as being very motivated, so on that part we probably agree. But I do think it’s kind of funny that every possible trade the Dodgers are linked to, according to posters here, involves them giving away the farm and a bunch of money. It is never just one or the other, always both.

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

It’s not a bad offer, but it’s going to take 2/3 of Urias/Seager/Pederson and a guy like lee for the Phillies to listen, which is why I don’t think Hamels gets moved.

Joe Forkner
1 year 1 month ago

Pederson, Guerrero, and C Anderson is the top 1-2-3 prospects Philly is looking for (those three better than almost any other teams top 3, but a few clubs, and only the Cubs have better and ability to take on the payroll).

Robbieb7
1 year 1 month ago

Pederson yes, Anderson is struggling at high A, and Guerrero is 27 and wouldn’t serve much of a purpose to the Phillies.

Joe Forkner
1 year 1 month ago

Pederson, Guerrero, and C Anderson is the top 1-2-3 prospects Philly is looking for (those three better than almost any other teams top 3, but a few clubs, and only the Cubs have better and ability to take on the payroll).

Joe Forkner
1 year 1 month ago

This is a great trade idea, but would put Guerrero in for Arruebarrena and ask for Revere (and move Ethier and/or CC if possible with 50M), need a pure CF if we deal Joc.

Also opens up Grienke for trade this winter before opt out if we want to go that way.

Dustin Smith
1 year 1 month ago

Doubt greinke opts out and even less chance LA deals him. I think its more likely they sign another deal with him before he can opt out. Greinke said he’ll be watching what contracts lester and scherzer get this offseason, which makes me think greinke just wants to make sure he’s getting market value for his production, something I’m sure the dodgers would be willing to do. A fresh 5 yr/115-125 deal would probably get to stay

1 year 1 month ago

Unless he gets injured or becomes Barry Zito, he’s going to opt out. It’ll be interesting to see how the Dodgers react to it.

Joe Forkner
1 year 1 month ago

agree, he has shown he wants to maximize his earnings. I think he opts out and not sure LAD would be willing to go 6 years (what I think he gets on the open market.

Hamels would allow LAD to trade him in the offs eason and recoup some of what they gave for Hamels.

Dustin Smith
1 year 1 month ago

Honestly the best offer I’ve seen in rumors for a while. Could definitely happen, especially since LA doesnt need Philly to eat money

Jesus Gutierrez
1 year 1 month ago

why is Tom Windle getting so much attention we just drafted him last year and the guy was compared to Ted Lilly

Jesus Gutierrez
1 year 1 month ago

what i mean by attention is that i see him in so many trade proposals

thegrayrace
1 year 1 month ago

Not having a great season, not projected to be more than a back of rotation starter.

KJ4realz
1 year 1 month ago

I know it’s been done on here plenty of times, but I really like how when you guys have articles like this, you omit wins and losses to show how good a pitcher actually has been.

You throw wins and losses in this article and people would be clamoring about how he hasn’t been that good.

randyfastman
1 year 1 month ago

wins and losses are a team stat… if he throws 8 innings of 1 run ball and his miserable offense doesn’t score, he gets a loss… likewise he could throw 5 terrible innings, allowing 9 runs and 15 hits and if his offense scores 10 (doubtful in Philly) he gets a win…. Wins and losses are not useful in examining a pitcher’s effectiveness

Darmintak
1 year 1 month ago

Thank you. The fact that wins and losses are still thought to be an important indicator of how good a pitcher is really annoys me.

lt michaels
1 year 1 month ago

FWIW Hamels has easily lost about 50 career wins pitching in Philly due to lack of run support and faulty bullpens over the years. Its amazing how much buzzards luck he has in Philly.

i'm me ..
1 year 1 month ago

Hamels for Joc. Jose Dominguez and Cody Bellinger. Adding Bellinger as a 1B would be a great addition to the Phillies.

nwh2787
1 year 1 month ago

How about Hamels for Kemp, pitching prospects Reed, Lee, and either first baseman Chris Jacobs, O’Koyea Dickson or Clay Bellinger? Plus lots of cash?

William R Mack
1 year 1 month ago

darnell sweeney could be a good fit, utley wont be around much longer.

i'm me ..
1 year 1 month ago

yeah i guess Kemp could be in talks. once he received that mega deal he was never the same.