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bross16
If they could actually have gotten Mateo for Reyes then they must be kicking themselves now
rmullig2
Does anybody actually believe that? Apparently, Heyman will write anything he’s told.
MB923
Yep. Just like Heyman wrote that the Orioles signed Fowler
theo2016
They offered him for 2 months of upton. I’m sure they would offer him for 2 years and 2 months of reyes at 22 mil(this was last deadline)
start_wearing_purple
Even if Rodriguez returns to the Red Sox as even a solid number 3/4 pitcher then the Sox still have a problem. Price, Porcello, Wright, and Rodriguez is decent enough to get through 4 out of every 5 days but a 5th man who’s more consistant than Kelly or Buc is really necessary to at least not burn out the bullpen. Also it’s not exactly the kind of rotation one would like to count on in the playoffs.
Besides Rich Hill and James Shields who is actually a viable trade target?
davidcoonce74
Well, a team only really needs three starters in the postseason; perhaps the Sox should look at upgrading the pen. Seems like far more relievers would be available right now than starters. As far as starters, Shields, Pomeranz, Teheran, Hellickson, Ervin Santana…Jimmy Nelson? Phil Hughes? Not a lot there, unless Arizona dangles Greinke or something crazy like that.
4ATalent
Agreed that they need one, possibly two starters. Porcello and Wright don’t exactly shut down opposing offenses which doesn’t bode well come playoff time. That said, there aren’t many appealing trade options (aside from Rich Hill) ahead of next year’s weak free agent crop of starting pitchers. They’re not getting better adding Shields, Matt Latos or Phil Hughes.
start_wearing_purple
Wright has been a surprise but I wouldn’t discount him as a solid #2/3 type starter for the year. Knuckleballers are tremendously difficult to peg statistically when they’re on a roll. But, Wright’s periphery numbers look solid. Very little I’d red flag as extreme luck.
On top of that one of the biggest flaws knuckleballers have is not disguising their secondary pitches. In other words their delivery for a fastball or change up looks different than their delivery of a knuckler and thus their pitches are easily tracked. Since a knuckleball pitcher is essentially relying on trick rather than the traditional approach of power and/or precision, he has to be able to fool a batter. Wright recently changed his approach to his fastballs which has lead to his recent success.
johnsilver
I see the problem with the rotation as they really have nothing beyond price, Porcello, Rodriquez and Wright. Bucholz is just to inconsistent with them contending and Kelly should have gotten his last chance as a starter.
The guys at Pawtucket? I was raving mad when they 1st drafted Johnson in 2012, junkballer without 1 above average pitch and nothing has changed 4y later, except now his head is messed up.. There was one waste of a 1st rounder, same with Teddy Stanky in 2013, same thing, same type pitcher.. He’s another nothing not going to help, only 2nd rounder and Ball? Bingo! Only waste of a #7 overall.
Why they took all those trash throwers with high picks all those years.. As far back as ’06 and NONE ever amounted to ANYTHING, would thing had learned a lesson, other teams did. Hitters? Excelled, but junkballing pitchers of NO use? They’d waste pick after high pick on.
I see Mike Kopech and Anderson Espinoza as the only legit starters next up and they are years away.. Wilkerson, martin.. More trash..
Maybe get 2-3 out of mariner’s BP pitcher Roenis Elias, but other than that? They have nobody of any potential starting use between those 4 on the 25 man and A ball.. SAD.
jrwhite21
Except that Brian Johnson has the chance to be a solid back of the rotation pitcher. You need those to have a good rotation. Teddy Stank projects as a similar type pitcher. I was super excited when they drafted Trey Ball but I’m pretty disappointed with his development. I’m not even sure about kopech at this point since he can’t seem to stay out of trouble.
raykraft88
If the Red Sox are willing to pay heavily I think the Braves would move Teheran.
chesteraarthur
Not much better than Wright or Porcello
theo2016
If by heavily you mean like swihart, owens, and trey ball.
adshadbolt
The braves won’t trade him unless they get “young mlb hitter” meaning swihart, bogarts, betts, jbj, shaw, and if I’m the sox I end the conversation. There are other options that could be had for prospects
theo2016
Swihart isn’t catching for them if he isn’t catching he isn’t anything great. He needs a bad team that can let him catch.
alanapat
Say trade Terehan and Markakis for Betts, Swihart, and RP. Heavy haul if, maybe something else. Besides Swihart isn’t anything unless he’s catching and he isn’t playing with Boston and Braves need a catcher.
TacomaGrit
We could throw in Aybar and ask for Bogaerts too, but that isn’t happening. There’s no way the Red Sox are trading Betts!
cincinnatikid
If he can prove himself healthy in the next 6 weeks how about a Homer Bailey to Boston for Rusney Castillo and Allen Craig swap of bad contracts. It gives the Red Sox another veteran starter with 2 career no hitters and gives the Reds 2 hitters who have struggled badly in Boston but would be going to a new team that isn’t going anywhere for a few years with less pressure to perform right away
start_wearing_purple
I rarely get to say this about a deal for Castillo and Allen… Pass.
stymeedone
I love that Ausmus is “safe”, but being told not to talk about his “lack of job security.” Doesn’t sound that safe to me.
itsnjmike 2
Mets should consider Profar…They had interest last year. A-Cab is playing well but he can slide to 3b.
GabeOfThrones
Wouldn’t Reyes for Olivera be a decent move for both sides? Reyes could actually play 3b, and Olivera might develop some value by the time the stink of his domestic abuse arrest wears off (it won’t completely wear off, but this is still a business). Olivera’s potential upside and lighter yearly commitments would justify his overall larger financial commitment, in my mind. I wonder if these types of trades are being explored in these relatively unprecedented situations. It’s naive to think ball players never hit their women until a year or two ago, so unprecedented refers more to the landscape. In terms of dealing with this situation, outside of suspensions and fines and docking paychecks: how about the victims get half of future earnings? I won’t ask you to weigh in on the latter idea, Steve, but what about the former? Baggage for baggage trades? Who says no in the above scenario?
Gogerty
Hey Gabe, I wondered the same thing. Yeah it is a sticky situation, but both teams are saddled with the players. If they could make this move, contract wise would be like the Bourn/Swisher/CJ trade. Braves would take on an additional $15.5M short term but get out of the payroll in later years. AT that point no sense in trying to be creative, just do one for one.
Lance
Harper & Machado are wonderful young talents hopefully in the prime of their careers. But in another thread, the story of David Wright again on the DL. Is it smart business to invest hundreds of millions of dollars, though?
willreily
I don’t know… I could see the Yankees being interested in Jose Reyes at the time, but not if a prospect like Mateo was involved. Even if that was offered, what would have been the Rockies reasoning for rejecting it? They had Story, Descalso, and others to fill-in at the time, and they didn’t need a high-caliber S.S on a rebuilding team.
I have a hard time believing that trade was offered by the Yankees.
michaeljay
Reyes is likely untradeable. While his behavior and bad attitude carry a stench, it is his contract and seriously diminished play that make him unattractive in the market.