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Previewing Upcoming Qualifying Offer Decisions: Pitchers

By Darragh McDonald | October 30, 2023 at 7:27pm CDT

The World Series will be completed in less than a week, which means the offseason is imminent. Almost right away, some key decisions will have to be made. Within five days of the World Series ending, contract options will need to be either exercised or declined and clubs will also have to choose whether or not to issue qualifying offers to eligible players.

A player is eligible for a qualifying offer if they have never received a QO before and spent the entire season with the same club. The value of the QO changes annually, calculated by taking the average salary of the 125 highest-paid players in the league. That means it generally rises as salaries increase over time, with this year’s QO expected to land around $20.5MM. If a player receives and rejects a qualifying offer, he becomes a free agent. If he then signs elsewhere, the signing team is subject to draft pick forfeiture and possibly other penalties, while their previous club receives draft pick compensation.

MLBTR is taking a look at the candidates, with one post focusing on the position players and this one looking at the pitchers.

No-Doubters

  • Sonny Gray (Twins)
  • Josh Hader (Padres)
  • Aaron Nola (Phillies)
  • Shohei Ohtani (Angels)
  • Blake Snell (Padres)

These five are slam dunks to receive and reject the qualifying offer. Ohtani won’t pitch in 2024 after undergoing elbow surgery, but he is still expected to hit and will perhaps return to the mound in 2025. As one of the best hitters in baseball and the potential for two-way contributions down the road, he’s in line for a record-setting contract. Nola is coming off a down season relative to his own standards but has an excellent track record that will put him in line for a nine-figure deal even with the QO attached. Gray’s total earning power will be capped somewhat by the fact that he turns 34 in a week but his excellent work in 2023 should be able to get him a new deal around $20MM per year over multiple seasons. Snell just wrapped up an excellent campaign, finishing with a 2.25 ERA that could see him net a second career Cy Young award. That sets him up for a huge payday even after rejecting the QO. Hader has been one of the best relievers in the game for a long time and could challenge Edwin Díaz for the biggest contract ever for a reliever.

Special Case

  • Clayton Kershaw (Dodgers)

Kershaw has been eligible for a qualifying offer in each of the past two offseasons but didn’t receive one. That wasn’t a reflection of his performance but a sign of respect. In each case, Kershaw went into the winter not knowing if he wanted to come back to the Dodgers, jump to his hometown Rangers or retire. The Dodgers decided both times not to issue him the QO so that he wouldn’t have to make a rushed decision at the beginning of the offseason. Since Kershaw is once again undecided on his future, it seems fair to expect that the Dodgers will decline to extend the QO, though Kershaw would warrant one in a vacuum.

Possible Candidates

  • Seth Lugo (Padres)

Lugo spent most of his career working out of the bullpen but hit free agency a year ago and drew plenty of interest as a starter. The Padres eventually brought him aboard via a two-year deal with a $15MM guarantee and incentives, as well as an opt-out after the first season.

The righty made the most of the opportunity, making 26 starts and logging 146 1/3 innings with a 3.57 earned run average. He stuck out 23.2% of batters faced, walked 6% and kept the ball on the ground at a 45.2% clip. There were some concerns about Lugo’s ability to hold up over a full season, both since he hadn’t had that kind of workload before and because he had a slight tear of his UCL in 2017 that wasn’t surgically addressed. But in 2023, Lugo made just one trip to the injured list, missing just over a month due to a calf strain.

Now that Lugo has proof of concept as a starter, he should have greater earning power than he did a year ago, even though he’s about to turn 34. Turning down the one year and $7.5MM left on his deal should be an easy call, but then the Padres will have a more difficult choice. It would be hard for Lugo to turn down a 2024 salary more than twice what he made in the prior season, so there would be a decent chance he accepts a QO. With the club reportedly looking to cut payroll, they may not want to take that chance.

  • Kenta Maeda (Twins)

Maeda has had his ups and downs in recent years but is heading into free agency with some momentum. He posted a 2.70 ERA in 2020 but then that figure jumped to 4.66 in 2021 before he underwent internal brace surgery on his elbow. He missed all of 2022 and then struggled early in 2023. In his fourth start of the season, he was shelled by the Yankees, allowing 10 earned runs in three innings. He was then placed on the injured list with a triceps strain while sporting an ERA of 9.00 for the year.

But after getting healthy, his results were much better. He was activated from the IL in late June and made 17 more appearances the rest of the way. He tossed 88 1/3 innings with a 3.36 ERA, 29% strikeout rate and 7% walk rate. Though his ERA for the whole year finished at 4.23, it seems fair to conclude that the early-season injury inflated that number.

The righty has never had a massive salary locked in. When he initially came over from Japan, the Dodgers signed him to an incentive-laden deal that guaranteed him $25MM over eight years. That came in the form of a $1MM signing bonus, $3MM salary each year and $6.5MM in incentives available each season based on games started and innings pitched. If he suddenly had a $20.5MM guarantee in front of him for his age-36 season, that would likely be very tempting.

The Twins aren’t one of the top payroll teams under normal circumstances and may need to cut back spending due to uncertainty around their TV revenues. They may not want to blow a huge chunk of their budget right at the beginning of the offseason, especially when their rotation is already in decent shape with Pablo López, Joe Ryan, Bailey Ober, Chris Paddack and Louie Varland currently pencilled in.

  • Michael Wacha (Padres)

Wacha had some strong seasons earlier in his career with the Cardinals, but injuries became an issue more recently. He settled for a $3MM guarantee while joining the Mets for 2020, then was limited to 34 mediocre innings in the shortened season. The Rays took a shot on him in 2021 with another $3MM guarantee and he stayed healthy enough to log 124 2/3 innings with a 5.05 ERA. That relatively healthy campaign was enough to get him a one-year, $7MM deal with the Red Sox for 2022, and he then tossed 127 1/3 innings for that club with a 3.23 ERA.

He lingered on the open market for a while last offseason but eventually landed a four-year, $26MM guarantee from the Padres with a layered option structure. After the 2023 World Series, the Friars will have to decide whether or not to trigger two $16MM club options for 2024 and 2025, effectively a two-year, $32MM deal. If they decline, Wacha has a $6.5MM player option for 2024 and then $6MM player options for 2025 and 2026.

The righty is coming off another decent season. Though his shoulder landed him on the IL this year, just as it had in 2022 and 2020, he was able to make 24 starts and throw 134 1/3 innings with a 3.22 ERA. His 22.4% strikeout rate and 7.8% walk rate were both close to league average, though he may have benefitted from a .266 batting average on balls in play and 79.7% strand rate. His 3.89 FIP and 4.43 SIERA suggest his ERA might not be wholly sustainable.

As mentioned in the Lugo section above, the Padres are facing a budget crunch. Though they are likely pleased with Wacha’s results in 2023, would they want to give him a pay raise by triggering that option? If they pass on that, Wacha would likely turn down his player option and return to free agency. He would be eligible for a qualifying offer at that point, which would be a higher salary than the club option but on a shorter commitment. The Padres effectively have to decide between 1/20 or 2/32 or simply letting Wacha walk.

Long Shot

  • Frankie Montas (Yankees)

Some fans of the Yankees might shudder at the thought of the club bringing back Montas at a higher salary, but it’s not a completely crazy idea. Though he was hurt or ineffective from the moment he donned pinstripes, he’s not too far removed from some strong results. From 2019 to 2021, he posted an ERA of 3.51 over 336 innings pitched. In that time, he struck out 26.3% of batters faced, issued walks at a 7.3% clip and kept 43.7% of batted balls on the ground. Among pitchers with at least 300 innings pitched in that time, that ERA ranked him 21st in the majors. Even in 2022, prior to the infamous trade, he was still quite good. He registered an ERA of 3.18 in his 19 starts for the A’s that year.

Players returning from injury absences can often still find themselves big salaries on short-term deals. Noah Syndergaard got one year and $21MM from the Angels after missing most of 2020 and 2021 rehabbing from Tommy John surgery. Corey Kluber got $11MM from the Yankees even though he was 35 years old and made just eight appearances over the two previous campaigns. James Paxton got $10MM from the Red Sox under similar circumstances.

The Yankees have a couple of long-term contracts in their rotation with Gerrit Cole and Carlos Rodón. The latter hasn’t worked out well so far, with Rodón injured for much of 2023. The club needs rotation reinforcements with Michael King, Clarke Schmidt and Nestor Cortes pencilled into the back end, each of whom comes with some question marks. They could add another marquee free agent, but maybe they’d prefer to take a short-term flier on a player they have obviously liked for a long time, giving up four prospects to acquire him and Lou Trivino just over a year ago. They then agreed to a $7.5MM arbitration salary for 2023 even as questions about his shoulder lingered.

Though there’s an argument for the possibility, it ultimately seems like the odds are against this happening. The Montas trade has gone so poorly, both from an on-field perspective and a PR one, that it’s hard to envision the club doubling down. If Montas doesn’t receive the QO, he will likely be fielding one-year offers slightly below the $20.5MM salary range.

Ineligible

  • Jack Flaherty (Orioles)
  • Lucas Giolito (Guardians)
  • Shota Imanaga (Yokohama DeNA BayStars, NPB)
  • Jordan Montgomery (Rangers)
  • Eduardo Rodriguez (Tigers)
  • Marcus Stroman (Cubs)
  • Yoshinobu Yamamoto (Orix Buffaloes, NPB)

As mentioned up top, players are only eligible to receive the qualifying offer if they haven’t received one previously and also spent the entire year with just one MLB club. Rodriguez and Stroman, who can each opt out of their respective contracts, have each been issued a QO earlier in their career. Flaherty, Giolito and Montgomery were all traded midseason, which makes them ineligible as well. Players coming from other leagues aren’t eligible either, so Yamamoto and Imanaga won’t have the QO in play. For each of these pitchers, the lack of a QO helps their earning power since clubs won’t have to forfeit any draft picks to sign them.

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68 Comments

  1. James Midway

    2 years ago

    So basically the Padres rotation and closer. Hader can walk, they still have Suarez and he whines if he has to pitch.

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    • Brew88

      2 years ago

      Hader whines right? Not Suarez

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      • James Midway

        2 years ago

        Yes, my sentence structure was not good on that one.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      I’d be very surprised if they go with Suarez. One career save, almost 33, and mediocre number last year.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        Yeah I think they will add to the pen and we shall see how it all pans out.

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      • MacGromit

        2 years ago

        @Joe
        don’t need an incredible closer to get mediocre results like 2023. lol.

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  2. acoss13

    2 years ago

    Yankees should bring back Montas on a one-year 7 million dollar-deal and let Severino walk. Severino needs to go to a new team, and Montas didn’t pitch at all in 2023 so he shouldn’t be expensive.

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  3. StudWinfield

    2 years ago

    Correction: QO’ing Montas would be a crazy idea. Anything is possible but I’ll take the under on him not pitching worthy of $20 mil.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      Not remotely close, imo.

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  4. mark1998

    2 years ago

    what about jd Martinez?

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    • Hawktattoo

      2 years ago

      What about him? Article is about pitcher’s

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    • Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree

      2 years ago

      He’s not a pitcher

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      • deepseamonster32

        2 years ago

        *He’s not a pitcher yet

        there fixed it. your welcome

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  5. rct

    2 years ago

    “But in 2023, Lugo made just one trip to the injured list, missing just over a month due to a calf strain.”

    I don’t know if I would downplay missing over a month of the season. He missed around 20% of the season. He did, however, maintain his performance over the course of the year, with a 3.55 ERA (vs 3.57 for the season) combined over 15 starts in July, August, and September. He’s an interesting case. The QO is probably close to what he’s worth, but he might settle for a slightly lower AAV for a two or three year deal. 2/$30 million? 3/$42 million?

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    • CityofChampions

      2 years ago

      Seth should take that $20MM and smile like Martin Perez. Too much for him to walk away from.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 years ago

      The Padres are always interesting. It depends on whether or not the Padres are flush, but the $42M/3 sounds like a good middle ground. I don’t think it is crazy talk to think he might average 2+ WAR a season. He misses time, but he rarely pitches badly.

      A near-perfect comp for him might be Glasnow, and I would pay Glasnow’s $25M if I were the RS. Why not $20.5M for Lugo?

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        Eva use glasnow has a much higher upside. Nobody is paying lugo 20m.

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  6. Charlie III

    2 years ago

    Should Julio Urias have a mention too? He would be a lock except for the fact that he will probably never pitch in MLB again.

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  7. slider32

    2 years ago

    Yanks have the depth in their pitching, especially their relief pitching with Trivino and Effross coming back. I think they go for a top line starter in Yamamoto, Snell, or Nola. If they can;t get one of them they might trade for a pitcher. Montas and Cortez are the wild cards in the rotation.

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    • CityofChampions

      2 years ago

      There is nothing that will make me happier than if the Yankees shell out another Rodon-Esque contract to Blake Snell.

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  8. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Shouldn’t the Angels decline to QO Ohtani so he doesn’t have to make a rushed decision at the beginning of the offseason?

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    • Jean Matrac

      2 years ago

      Is this sarcasm? Apologies if it is. But, there’s absolutely no benefit to not offering a QO to Ohtani. They have nothing to lose by doing so. He isn’t going to accept, though the Angels would hugely benefit if he did. He can still re-sign with the Angels, if they offer one. Plus, if offered, the Angels can, at the very least, get some compensation when, what probably happens, he signs with another team.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        I’m just applying the same logic to Ohtani that this article applied to Kershaw.

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        • bcjd

          2 years ago

          Kershaw is deciding between one year or retirement. A QO puts pressure on him to decide fast.

          A QO for Ohtani would be deciding between one year and an all-time record contract. There’s no pressure there, because he’s going to decline.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @bcjd Kershaw would decline the QO if it is extended too. It doesn’t put any pressure on him to decide fast. If he declines the QO he’s free to take as long as he wants to sign with whomever he wants (including but not limited to the Dodgers) for as much money as they will give him.

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        • bcjd

          2 years ago

          If he’s given a QO and declines, it reduces his market value as a free agent. So there is pressure to decide, because he might make less on a one year contract as a FA than he would get from the QO.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @bcjd He won’t make less and even if he would I miss the part where that’s the Dodgers’ problem.

          Because people don’t seem to get it, I’ll say it again. If he declines the QO he is free to take as long as he wants to decide if he wants to keep going.

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        • Lanidrac

          2 years ago

          Wrong, until we know how Kershaw’s market develops, we can very well assume that he could get less, especially if he does resign with the Dodgers with a hometown discount. There’s a real possibility that he would be pressured to accept the QO if he was given one.

          As for the Dodgers, they would probably prefer not to pay him $20M but would be glad to resign him for $15M or so.

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    • Hemlock

      2 years ago

      > I’m just applying the same logic to Ohtani
      > that this article applied to Kershaw.

      Ohtani has been eligible for a qualifying offer in each of the past two offseasons but didn’t receive one. That wasn’t a reflection of his performance but a sign of respect. In each case, Ohtani went into the winter not knowing if he wanted to come back to the Angels, jump to his hometown Rangers, or retire. The Angels decided both times not to issue him the QO so that he wouldn’t have to make a rushed decision at the beginning of the offseason. Since Ohtani is once again undecided on his future, it seems fair to expect that the Angels will decline to extend the QO, though Ohtani would warrant one in a vacuum.

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      • acoss13

        2 years ago

        Hemlock you’re too funny sir lol

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        Exactly. Since QOing a player is apparently disrespectful now wouldn’t it be a bad look for the Angels to QO the greatest player of our generation when they would only get a 4th/5th round sandwich pick out of it? The QO only matters if the team doesn’t sign the player anyway and their goal should be to get him signed.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          > they would only get a 4th/5th round
          > sandwich pick out of it?

          Correct. No good players have ever come out of those rounds.

          4th round picks—
          Rickey Henderson
          Ozzie Smith
          Jeff Bagwell
          Yadier Molina

          5th round picks—
          Mookie Betts
          Jake Arrieta
          Tim Raines
          Jack Morris
          Lou Whitaker

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Hemlock You forgot Jordan Patterson, Stephen Gonsalves, Kean Wong, Tyler Wade, Taylor Williams, Dylan Covey, Conrad Gregor, Tyler Skulina, K. J. Woods, Myles Smith, Zane Evans, Evan Smith, L. J. Mazzilli, Ryan Horstman, Mason Smith, Cody Dickson, Matt McPhearson, Jake Sweaney, Andrew Mitchell, Mason Katz, Austin Kubitza, Elliot Morris, Brian Ragira, Tanner Murphy, Dan Slania, Kyle McGowin, Aaron Slegers, Jack Reinheimer, Bobby Wahl, Chad Wallach, Josh VanMeter, Trey Masek, Blake Shouse, Sean Brady, Corey Littrell, Amalani Fukofuka, Dan Lietz, Jared King, Trae Arbet, Jamie Westbrook, Josh Uhen, Thaddeus Lowry, J. D. Underwood, Ian McKinney, Travis Seabrooke, Joe, Jackson, Mikey Reynolds, David Palladino and Cory Thompson *draws breath*

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          thelegendaryharambe,
          I only wanted to point out that the QO has a lot of potential value. It should never be ignored by a team for issues of respect or whatnot.

          And you did not belong in that Zoo. What they did to you was terrible. I hope you found peace in your next life.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Hemlock The Dodgers supposedly did it with Clayton Kershaw the last 2 years and people on this site have defended them for it.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          The move can only be defended if the team resigns the player. In some cases, I agree—that should be the primary goal. Kershaw QO nah, Ohtani QO yes.

          People on this site are random people. Some are even baseball fans. All that you need to comment is access to the internet and some way to transfer thoughts into text. That’s it. There’s nothing else. I am not saying you do, but I would not hold any of the comments posted on here very highly. This is an amusing way to pass time when it is needed. I would seek out other places for more substantial discussions but even those places have been overrun by insolents.

          Discussions everywhere now evolve as such—

          Point > Counter > YOU DISAGREE ME? YOU=IDIOT

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Clayton Kershaw isn’t signing elsewhere but the Dodgers still have no reason not to QO him that doesn’t also apply to the Angels and Ohtani.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          They QO him
          He declines. Or accepts
          Next year? Moot
          So, in his case, why bother?

          I think they want to give him time to decide if he wants to play anywhere the next year. If they QO him, it seems as if he thinks that means LAD or nowhere. Maybe TEX has told him, “we will not sign you if there’s a QO attached to you.” Who knows.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          “So, in his case, why bother?”

          Why not?

          “I think they want to give him time to decide if he wants to play anywhere the next year.”

          For the hundred zillionth time, QO’ing a player doesn’t mean you aren’t giving him time to decide if he wants to play next year, or with whom.

          “If they QO him, it seems as if he thinks that means LAD or nowhere.”

          He already does.

          “Maybe TEX has told him, ‘we will not sign you if there’s a QO attached to you.’ Who knows.”

          1. Other teams can’t talk to him yet.
          2. Even if that were true, I missed the part where that’s the Dodgers’ problem.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          That’s just the way things are

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        • Lanidrac

          2 years ago

          The issue is that if Kershaw accepts the QO, which may very well be his best option if he’s going to pitch next year, it forces him into a contract for next year and takes away his option to retire.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          > it forces him into a contract for
          > next year and takes away his
          > option to retire.

          Forces him to not retire at gunpoint while he is bound with handcuffs and chains?

          Retirement is available to ALL players at ANY time.

          Normal retirement is immediate and all unpaid salary is forfeited, not including retirement due to complicated factors not covered here.

          There’s no “forces” him to not retire part of it. Where did you come up with that?

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Hemlock pretty much nailed it.

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        • Lanidrac

          2 years ago

          While that is technically true, it would be very awkward and disrespectful for Kershaw to accept the qualifying offer as if he is going to pitch for the Dodgers next year and then decide to retire a couple of months later.

          Furthermore, it would disrupt the Dodgers’ offseason plans if they have to wait a while to find out whether or not they will definitely be paying Kershaw $20M to pitch for them next year or if they suddenly have both the money and spot in the starting rotation available again.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          It wouldn’t be disrespectful at all.

          But it doesn’t matter. He wouldn’t accept it.

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        • Lanidrac

          2 years ago

          You’re absolutely wrong on both counts, as such a move is clearly very disrespectful, and Kershaw very well could accept the QO as the likely best offer he’d get if it were offered.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Nope.

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        • Hemlock

          2 years ago

          He had or is having surgery to repair his shoulder. Surgery doesn’t always cure what it intends to fix.

          Dodgers: “Look Clayton, even though you are throwing in even more pain, don’t you even think of retiring on us. You get back out there, now!”

          It sounds even more stupid when I try to make sense of it.

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  9. Mikenmn

    2 years ago

    Shuddering over a QO for Montas, That is all.

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  10. VegasSDfan

    2 years ago

    The Padres extend a QO to all 4 pitchers, do any of them accept it? I would say they dont

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      Wacha will either have his option picked up or be an unrestricted free agent. No point in declining the option just to QO him for more AAV.

      Lugo easily accepts the QO if it is offered.

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    • Herc33

      2 years ago

      Lugo’s career earnings are like ~$18M. If he gets offered 1Y/$20.5M he’s going to jump all over it. He’s not going to beat that AAV

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    • Simm

      2 years ago

      Wacha nor lugo will get QO’d. Neither are worth 20m even for one year. These guys are like 10-12m aav guys. Too much injury risk for either of them to get more.

      Hader walks for sure and most likely snell walks but a slightly better chance snell stays then hader.

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        2 years ago

        They’ll all walk because SD can’t afford anymore payroll. The Soto trade rumors aren’t there for no reason.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          We shall see, padres will sign at least three starters this offseason

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        • Herc33

          2 years ago

          Think of the Soto rumors like this: Would the Padres be better off with Soto and $30M to fill out the rest of their roster or without Soto and $60M to fill out their roster?

          The reports are that they want to get down to $200M, but what that leaves out is they have tons of money coming off the books with FA. If Wacha, Martinez, and Lugo all leave, they’re going to be at about ~$166M per Fangraphs. If they pick up the Wacha option for example, then they’re at ~$182M, still well under the stated goal.

          So the problem is not that they have no money at all to spend and need to cut, they’re going to have like $30M to spend either way. The issue is they need at least 3 SP and a backend bullpen piece, just on the pitching side, and they lack upper minors pitching depth so that’s not coming internally and they’re going to have to sign some FA.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          The padres can’t stay under $200MM with Soto and complete the roster. 3 SP’s alone will cost you at least $40MM if they’re going the FA route.

          They could use some of that prospect capital they have and acquire some starters that way. That’s the only way they can stay under and keep Soto.

          I personally think they’ll just spend more than $200 and fill the roster out. Doesn’t make a lot of sense not to.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          Exactly, the chances of them being at 200m or less is very unlikely. Specially since the owner said two months ago that the payroll would be around the same as this year. If that’s the case and they let those pitchers go they would have about 90m to spend with Soto. Look for them to add a top of the rotation arm and a couple of mid guys. Prob spend around 50m on starters then the rest on pen and adding another bat plus bench guys. Padres will be fine.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @CNichols With Soto and $30m to fill out the rest of their roster! If Juan Soto was worth less than $30m he would be non-tendered this season.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          That’s the way I always look at these things. Half the time you trade an expensive player with one year to go, you can make up most of the lost WAR with the money that you save with the trade.

          Just for the sake of argument, if the Padres traded Soto for Verdugo & Anthony, it would roughly be Yamamoto + Verdugo replacing Soto’s value, plus a very good prospect in Anthony. That’s why Soto is unlikely to get the type of return that Padre fans think he will get.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @JoeBrady If that were true Soto would be a non-tender candidate. Why trade anything at all for him when you can just spend that money elsewhere and get more WAR that way?

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          I said “half the time” and “make up most of the lost WAR”.

          So the first consideration is how much WAR am I giving up. For Soto, he had a 5.6 WAR last year. How much would you get from Yamamoto. Would Senga’s 4.5 bWAR be a fair comparison? So if Soto gets you 5.6 for maybe $8M more, I wouldn’t do it.

          But if you lost 1.1 WAR, had an extra $8M to spend, and got a top-10 prospect, I would take a current year loss for a better future.

          The 2nd consideration are the internal replacements. If Anthony was ready, I would trade Verdugo in a heartbeat. But he isn’t, so I can’t.

          Merrill is probably a year away, But if this was next year, I’d give serious consideration to trading Soto for value, signing YY, moving Bogaerts to LF, Kim to SS, and starting Merrill at 2nd.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Ha-Seong Kim is a FA after 2024.

          If teams really did view Soto that way no one would trade anything at all for him and he would be non-tendered this coming offseason.

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      • Lanidrac

        2 years ago

        Even if Wacha wasn’t injury prone, he’s a very inconsistent pitcher. Starting with his first full season and ignoring 2020 (which by the way was when he had his career worst ERA to date), his yearly ERAs have been 3.20, 3.38, 5.09, 4.13, 3.20, 4.76, 5.05, 3.32, and 3.22. While his most recent two years have been good aside from injuries, is that really someone you want to pay $16M for each of the next 2 years while trying to cut payroll?

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    • Bozzmania

      2 years ago

      Hader and Snell definitely no, Lugo definitely yes, Wacha yes if they decline the 2 @ 32 since the QO would exceed his player. Option for 3 years and will be higher than what market will pay. I think the Pads will decline Wacha and Lugo and negotiate with both something more appropriate to their value

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  11. deepseamonster32

    2 years ago

    thanks for letting us know nobody can QO the Japanese league pitchers. Answered my biggest question of the off-season

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 years ago

      Me detects a hint of sarcasm there.

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  12. CBA_Enjoyer

    2 years ago

    My predictions:
    All of the locks, yes
    Lugo: No
    Maeda: No
    Wacha: No
    Montas: No

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