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Further Thoughts On Bobby Abreu
Amid the Bobby Abreu for Erik Bedard and Jay Gibbons trade rumor yesterday, I made a comment that Abreu was "strangely unpopular in Philadelphia." While I've read this in the papers and seen it on message boards, my comment doesn't really do justice to Phillies fans. So I emailed Jason Weitzel of the Beer Leaguer Phillies Blog to get further insight on Abreu. Below are some excerpts.
Beer Leaguer visitors on Abreu:
Among Internet users who read my site and others, opinion is largely favorable. Most readers who check out blogs are familiar with the innovative ways teams are valuing talent, and few players in baseball are more deeply defined by numbers than Abreu. He's the complete offensive package. He is easy to justify quantitatively.
Other Phillies fans on Abreu:
Among blue-collar fans that value hard work, grit and shining in big moments, Abreu stumbles. I've watched plenty of Abreu over the years and I don't disagree with this take either. He disappeared in September, while others like J-Roll, Howard and Lofton stepped up and carried the club on their backs. I blame part of that on fatigue, which had reportedly caught up to him, but it's not unusual for Abreu to disappear in September, or disappear in these types of games.
On Abreu trade rumors:
Word is the Phils have been shopping both Abreu and Burrell as a way to shake some of the longterm commitments. With Thome gone, I wouldn't be surprised if Pat Gillick backed off. They need starting pitching and relief pitching badly, but dealing Abreu is not how they're going to get it, at least not in this offseason. Burrell, Rowand and Abreu give them a powerhouse outfield, probably the best in the division, if not the entire NL.
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Anyone have any background on Abreu... IE why he would except a trade, as I understand him to have a complete no trade clause. Of course money would help but I doubt anyone is giving him even more at this point.
Posted by: nova | November 29, 2005 at 11:15 AM
Rabid Phily Fan here..
Abreu will waive no-trade for a contender only.
I read the comments on the Abreu to O's rumors. The more popular one is to Oakland for Zito and Kotsay/Kielty. One holdup is Beane wants Gavin Floyd as well. This is better than Gibbons/Bedard - Go ahead get Dunn. Thats why the Reds stink since 1976.
ALso, the Dogers are rumored to have interest for Lowe, Edwin Jackson and LaRoche....still not the ace (or #2) we want.
The book an Abreu is amazingly consistent but does EXCEL in the clutch - stays consistent - not the worst things but can frustrate a passionate city - especially when the guy makes $13-15M. Plus, he tends to shy away from the outfield wall and Philly likes maniacs like Dykstra (and Rowand).
Makes you wonder why they made the new walls outta concrete??????
As far as Abreu-hating
Posted by: SteveH | November 29, 2005 at 11:40 AM
Rabid Phily Fan here..
Abreu will waive no-trade for a contender only.
I read the comments on the Abreu to O's rumors. The more popular one is to Oakland for Zito and Kotsay/Kielty. One holdup is Beane wants Gavin Floyd as well.
My fave (and a very hot one) is Abreu and Padilla to Bosox for Schilling, Shoppach and Foulke.
If the Phils sub in Floyd or Michaels, Bosox may add in Youkilis. They seem to match up best with each other.
This is better than Gibbons/Bedard - Go ahead get Dunn. Thats why the Reds stink since 1976.
ALso, the Dogers are rumored to have interest for Lowe, Edwin Jackson and LaRoche....still not the ace (or #2) we want.
The book an Abreu is amazingly consistent but does EXCEL in the clutch - stays consistent - not the worst things but can frustrate a passionate city - especially when the guy makes $13-15M. Plus, he tends to shy away from the outfield wall and Philly likes maniacs like Dykstra (and Rowand).
Makes you wonder why they made the new walls outta concrete??????
Posted by: SteveH | November 29, 2005 at 11:42 AM
Interesting stuff...I don't think much of Floyd after his 2005.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/F/gavin-floyd.shtml
Posted by: RumorMonger | November 29, 2005 at 11:44 AM
Typo in prvieous post -
it obviously should say "does NOT EXCEL in clutch" but he can carry a team for a month at a time when he's hot as long as games are not so close.
Posted by: SteveH | November 29, 2005 at 11:44 AM
People have to realize that Floyd is only 22 yrs old. He made his debut at the age of 21. He has an excellent curve, but has been working on a changeup and cut fastball. Give him time and he will be a 14 game winner.
Posted by: Ty | November 30, 2005 at 06:22 PM
Abreu to Yankees for Cano and Wang. then yankees sign nomar to play 2nd
Posted by: timy | December 09, 2005 at 09:21 AM