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Indians, Orioles Looking At Bay?
We first checked in on outfielder Jason Bay back in late September. Neal Huntington's comments seemed to indicate Bay could be dealt. He slumped to a surprising .746 OPS this year.
Logically the Indians would be in the mix for Bay. He's affordable - he makes only $13.25MM over the next two seasons. And Huntington used to work for Tribe GM Mark Shapiro. Marty York backs up the speculation, saying the Indians are the most interested club.
Another interested club is the Orioles, according to Bucco Blog. Jake mentions that teams are still trying to figure out why Bay declined in 2007. Bay has contended his surgically repaired knee only hindered him on the basepaths and defensively, not at the plate. A lack of passion has been suggested. And I hate to throw it out there based only on a statistical decline, but teams may be waiting to see if Bay's name appears in the Mitchell Report at all.
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I think a lot of deals will wait until after the report is released, why would you take a risk?
Posted by: quintjs | November 10, 2007 at 03:47 PM
There was an article about that (^^) on ESPN.com this week.
Teams aren't going to wait to see whose in the Mitchell Report if its a player of Bay's caliber or a player that can significantly improve the team.
Posted by: jmonahan7 | November 10, 2007 at 04:02 PM
What would the Orioles have to give up to get Bay? They really don't have much. Obviously Wieters and Markakis aren't going anywhere. Billy Rowell didn't play great last year, but his power potential is still really impressive, but the Pirates already have Neil Walker at 3B. I think it would be way more likely he goes to Cleveland, probably for something like Chuck Lofgren and another prospect. I would like to see them move Peralta to 3B as well, since Asdrubal Cabrera is a wizard with the glove and should be at short. Barfield is way too good to be as bad as he was last year, so i think he deserves another shot. If they made that trade they could have a devastating lineup:
C- Victor Martinez
1B- Ryan Garko
2B- Josh Barfield
3B- Jhonny Peralta
SS- Asdrubal Cabrera
RF- Franklin Gutierrez
CF- Grady Sizemore
LF- Jason Bay
DH- Travis Hafner
I think that might be enough to win it all if C.C. and Fausto can keep it up next year and actually pitch that way in the postseason too
Posted by: scribbletone | November 10, 2007 at 04:04 PM
My names for the Mitchell report -
Adrian Beltre
Matt Williams
Eric Gagne
Paul Byrd
Scott Hairston
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jeff Bagwell
Plus the obvious:
Barry Bonds
Sammy Sosa
Jason Giambi
Gary Sheffield
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 10, 2007 at 04:08 PM
I've been thinking of a Fields, Haeger and B. Anderson for Bay and a ptbnl deal for the Sox.
I think Bay would flourish in US Cellular. And instead of giving all that money to Hunter or Rowand we can go with a platoon of Owens and Sanchez in center and spend more on the bullpen and good backups for Uribe and Richar.
Of course that will never happen unless Crede fires Boras and lets them negotiate a multiyear deal.
Posted by: astralpanda | November 10, 2007 at 04:14 PM
I have to say I see Bay going to Cleveland. There is a want for Bay and obviously Huntington knows the system. I think it will be a tell tale sign of how good Huntington knows how to evaluate prospects, that is I believe he will try to grap two or three prospects from Cleveland who he thinks will be successful. The more I read, I think the more focused Huntington is on winning in a year or two, not next year.(Not that he exactly has the team to win next year) I think the players surrendered by Cleveland for Bay will be unknown names here in Pittsburgh and names only known by those in Cleveland from box scores in the minor league reports on the corner of the sports page.
One team is gonna get hosed in the long run....lets see how good huntington really is
Posted by: jdt58 | November 10, 2007 at 04:18 PM
I think the dodgers would be smart to get into discussion about Bay... Either and Laroche for Bay and a pitching prospect seems legitimate... especially if they sign ARod to play 3B
Posted by: jodroke | November 10, 2007 at 05:11 PM
*sorry I meant Ethier and Laroche for Bay and a pitching prspect... bad typing...*
Posted by: jodroke | November 10, 2007 at 05:15 PM
Don't underestimate the Royals interest in Bay.
I can't see the Sox dealing Fields for Bay. Fields might be as good of a hitter right now. Fields has a .295-35-120 season in him
Posted by: coryjwilson | November 10, 2007 at 05:22 PM
Not if the Sox keep making him bunt ...
Posted by: nickjs21 | November 10, 2007 at 05:54 PM
I would love for the Tribe to get Bay. Havent had a solid LF in quite some time. Michaels and Delucci didnt do much out there at all this year, and I dont see them (or want them) to resign Lofton
I would like nothing more for them to give up Cliff Lee, or MAYBE Sowers
Posted by: Go Tribe | November 10, 2007 at 08:49 PM
What is it the Bucs are looking for? Pitching or position? I like Cliff Lee for Bay for both teams. Lee is shot in the AL, but might be reborn in the NL. And perhaps Bay just needs a competing team to wake up.
If it's young position prospects the Bucs covet, the Tribe could send over some of those too. The only thing I worry about from the Indian's side is blocking young talent from coming up.
Posted by: cardinalred24 | November 10, 2007 at 08:49 PM
I don't buy any kind of blanket statement that says no teams care about players with steroid histories. It's a major data point to consider and if you can wait a few months to add that data many teams will.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | November 10, 2007 at 09:49 PM
The Pirates are looking for just about anything and everything. For Bay I'd imagine they'd want 3 players back, either 2 pitchers and one hitter or the other way around.
They're definitely aiming for the future. They'll be blowing up their middling roster while the Orioles are doing the same in the AL. Both teams will go young and try to win in three years (two would be overly optimistic). Of course, that's assuming Huntington knows what he's doing and Angelos doesn't nullify MacPhail's moves like he's done to every past GM in Baltimore.
If the Pirates get an offer of Ethier, LaRoche, and a pitching prospect, I think they'll do it. But in my mind the Dodgers' top 2 targets are signing A-Rod or trading for Cabrera. They'd rather add power at third base than another corner outfielder.
As for the Indians, I could definitely see them asking for pitchers out of the Sowers, Lofgren, Miller group. Not sure about the hitters (Marte has faded, Crowe had a down year). Indians fans, who do you think would be good guy to offer up?
Posted by: CJax33 | November 10, 2007 at 11:14 PM
Being an Indians fan, I could see them offering up one of the two you mentioned, but also Franklin Gutierrez, Ben Francisco, or even Shin-Soo Choo to go with a Sowers/Lee/Laffey or someone along those lines.
Plain and simple, if it takes Adam Miller to get Bay, then forget it. I'd also rather they hung onto Gutierrez because I don't think he's too far from everyday status.
I'd be really happy with an outfield of Bay, Sizemore, and Gutierrez. On the other hand, why can't the Indians get in on trade talks for Carl Crawford? I know that's complete fanboyism, but we've got some of the best prospects around, so why not?
Posted by: cardinalred24 | November 10, 2007 at 11:43 PM
cardinalred, I'm with you... I think Crawford would do really well in an Indian uni... see the Crawford post for more, but lets just hope the rays management is more realistic about Crawford's value than its fans...
Posted by: jodroke | November 11, 2007 at 04:41 PM