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In today's Baltimore Sun, Dan Connolly hashes out the oft-rumored idea of the Orioles signing hometown boy Mark Teixeira after this season. He opines:
If Peter Angelos sets a club salary record, it would be for Teixeira.
Connolly also notes the team's repaired relations with Scott Boras and the agent's occasional tendency to push clients to bad teams to maximize paydays. For his part, Teixeira's not saying much. There's plenty of reason to stay in Atlanta if they offer something competitive.
If Teixeira has a huge 40 HR, 120 RBI year, he'd seemingly be in line for at least Connolly's predicted six years, $120MM. In my mind, the legitimate possible suitors are the Orioles, Braves, Red Sox, Yankees, Royals, Mariners, Mets, and Giants. You could throw the Los Angeles teams into the mix, though they have solid young first basemen.
Your turn: which of the above-mentioned teams will Teixeira sign for, if any? Take the survey here; view the results here.
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Where would Texiera play if the Red Sox were to sign him? They have Lowell for two more years and control Youk still.
Posted by: Ian | February 27, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I spose Youk could be traded. Could he play left in the event that Manny is not picked up? I imagine if Manny is picked up the Sox don't pay much attention to Tex.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | February 28, 2008 at 12:01 AM
I think the only legitimate thing involving the Sox and Tex is that his agent will try and make up Sox rumors to inflate the numbers.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | February 28, 2008 at 12:09 AM
It's a slam dunk that the Yankees will sign him.
1) Orioles have sent overtures, but in the middle of a huge rebuilding process, why would they spend 120 million on a 1b?
2) The Yankees have a huge amount coming off the books next year, something like 60 to 80 million. They are set everywhere (good young pitching too), except for 1b, and Teixera is pretty much the best 1b/free agent in the next couple of years.
Posted by: Guitar Hero | February 28, 2008 at 12:13 AM
We're talking about the Red Sox here. They would do anything if they think it's best for the team. My bet is they would see what they could get for Lowell or Youk if one of them has a good year. They might also choose not to pick up Manny's option if he doesn't have a good year. They would make a run for Texiera since Ortiz and Manny are getting older and there is a need for young power.
Posted by: SierraM | February 28, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Maybe Im crazy but I think the Braves find a way to resign him (especially if they do well this year).
Posted by: J.L. | February 28, 2008 at 12:38 AM
The rebuilding process is targeting a competitive team in 2010. After all of our bad contracts are gone after the '09 season. After this season we have a hole at 1B and Clean up. I think Teixeira would fit right in. Better to build around a core of under 30 players.
He either re-signs with Atlanta or with Baltimore.
Also, 'Slam Dunk' and 'Perfect sense'? I don't think so. Yankees don't seem to be going after big name Free Agents that aren't their own (A-Rod, Posada, Rivera). And Jeter should be moving over to 1B after this season.
Teixeira would also be shunned by his whole family if he signed with the Yankees.
Posted by: XD23 | February 28, 2008 at 12:49 AM
fter adding Bedard/Silva to Seattle's rotation...don't count them out!
Next offseason (just like the Yanks) Seattle has a TON of salary coming off the books...approximately $43M!!!
Sexson $14M
Vidro $8.5M ($6M Seattle portion)
Wilkerson $5M (counting $2M incentives)
Ibanez $5.5M
Johjima $5.5M
Ho Ramirez $2.75M
Bloomquist $1M
Cairo $850k
But there are 3 players that get a "little" raise Putz/Betancourt/Lopez combine for an add'l $3M in 2009. So basically, Seattle's got an even $40M next offseason.
I can even see them trading out Washburn next offseason...for another $10M in savings, and getting a few prospects back (maybe) in this pitchers market.
Wow...$50M?! What can Seattle do with $52M for next offseason?
Do they resign Johjima when you have Clement ready NOW? Or end up getting draft picks for Johjima next offseason and run with Clements power LHB @ Safeco?!
Do you resign Ibanez @ 1B to replace Sexson?!
Here's what I'd do if Bavasi ended up trading away Washburn & his contract:
1) Sign Teixeira for $20-22M for 6-7 yrs
2) Sign Dunn or $18M or 5-6 yrs
3) Move Morrow into the #5 spot, and fill the BP slots with our deep RPs from the minors OR keep Morrow in setup role and just sign Oliver Perez for $10-12M
That takes up the entire amount "if" they bring in Oliver Perez. If they don't just keep Morrow in setup status & resign Johjima & run with Clement as our fulltime DH in 2009.
My point of all of this is that Seattle got tons of $$$ to throw at Tex!
BUT with Giambi's $22M coming off the books, I'd put money on Yanks offering Giambi's salary to Tex @ $22M/year!
Can you imagine "if" Seattle ONLY added Tex AND Dunn in 2009, and resigned Johjima w/Clement at DH?...and kept their SPs in tack for 2009?
Seattle would be YOUNG and pretty damn tough in 2009 & beyond!
Posted by: DRWheelock | February 28, 2008 at 01:18 AM
The Braves have quite a bit of payroll coming off the books at the end of the year, as well. Hampton's $15, Kotsay's $8, and Ohman's $1.6 million are definite while there's a possibility Glavine's $8 million retires. That's $24.6 million with a possibility of $32 million, and Teixeira will be looking for an ~$8 million dollar raise. So the Braves will still have ~$16-24 million free if they sign Teixeira.
They're going to have a ton of money to spend and should have enough to sign Teixeira or another big named free agent. Despite what most think, they still have enough of a farm to pull off another trade, too.
There's a lot of bad contracts running out at the end of the year.
Posted by: beeniez | February 28, 2008 at 01:22 AM
calm down redsox fans, hes not going to boston. between need and money not happening. maybe baltimore but i dont think so. it will be a cold day when the braves open up the checkbooks so i would bet no there. the obvious plsce he goes is the yankees. they have a big need and tons of money, not to mention hes the best player available. one guy said something about his family would shun him. i dont know what thats about but i dont think anyone on the history of the planet with a 120 million dollar salary has ever been shunned by their family. he signs with the yankees. it makes sense.
Posted by: Joelcards | February 28, 2008 at 03:37 AM
"Maybe Im crazy but I think the Braves find a way to resign him (especially if they do well this year). "
Okay, your crazy. Scott Boras wont even let Oliver Perez talk extension with the Mets, and he does not have good career numbers, and the Mets have more money to spend then Atlanta. What makes you think that he will let a much more high profile client sign an extension to stay in Atlanta without testing the Market. There are 2 scenarios where I can see Tex staying in Atlanta.
1) Sign an extension and fire Boras.
2) The Braves bid on the open market for him with everyone else and by some miracle end up bringing him back.
As you can see, these 2 options are looking more like slim and none then 1) and 2), but we will see.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 28, 2008 at 06:13 AM
And plus, why would Tex want to spend the rest of his career in one of the worst franchises in sports? Really? Maybe thats the area he is from, but who cares, wouldnt you think he would care about winning? I love the knicks, and I live in NY, but that doesnt mean I would sign my last big, longterm contract with them knowing that there is absolutely no chance that they have any success at all while I am there. That is the Tex situation. There is like a .001 percent chance that the O's even make the playoffs one time from 2008-2015, so why bother if you are Tex? Doesnt make sense to me at all.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 28, 2008 at 06:17 AM
If the Orioles go after Teixeira, wouldn't that sort of defeat the purpose of trading off a guy like Erik Bedard?
Posted by: moebarguy | February 28, 2008 at 06:42 AM
The Red Sox won't bring in Teixeira because they will be too busy shopping for a starter and a LF. Their corner infield positions are filled for a couple years, so Youkilis isn't going to move to 3B to make room and forget about Youkilis' lack of range being stuck in LF!
The Yankees are seriously irritated with Scott Boras after the crap he pulled with A-Hole and I'd be seriously surprised to see any player force them to the table with the super agent. I think they can and will look elsewhere.
The Orioles will be more competitive by next season, but their biggest problem will be pitching and I think Teixeira will absolutely avoid at all costs playing for a team that has no aces internally and who won't find many options on free agency. Unless they go after Sabathia concurrently, I don't see him going to Baltimore.
The Braves let Andruw Jones go and he was a similar offensive producer, a much better defender, and was a homegrown talent who will in hindsight, cost Atlanta far less money than Teixeira. Also Kotsay's contract was almost entirely paid for by the Athletics, so they really aren't going to have $25MM to throw around. They'll also have some in-house players who need to have their contracts re-evaluated by that point!
The Royals have Butler, Shealy, Gload, etc. at 1B, so I HIGHLY doubt that they are going to break the bank on Teixeira. If he played a prime position like CF or SS then I could see them signing him to 20MM/year, but for a player whose position is 1B, they aren't the one! I don't see Mark running to play for a team that is even with him, 4th in the division behind Detroit, Cleveland, and Minnesota.
I think the three most likely destinations from the list above are Seattle, NY Mets, and San Fran! These three teams have some of the best pitching staffs around and Seattle heads the list. The Mariners have shown a willingness to sit at the table with Boras and will have the most glaring hole at 1B next season. No other team lacks the internal options for 1B, so this will be an all or nothing attempt. If they are still without a long-term deal for Bedard, a Teixeira signing could be the desiding factor in whether Seattle will keep Erik long-term. The next team would be the Mets as they keep him on the east coast, have the money to spend, and they'll have a need unless Delgado has a .300 AVG, 30HR, 100 RBI season, in which case he'd be a much cheaper option when compared with what Teixeira will get on the FA market. The Giants could be a strong suitor with a huge hole at 1B, but it's all about whether Sabean will break his avoidance of under-30 FAs! I think they are poised for big things in San Fran, but don't rule out the Giants GM from screwing this one up and letting him sign elsewhere!
My pick is Seattle, because they need a huge FA signing for their offense more than any other team especially if they are trying to impress Bedard so he'll sign long-term. I also see the Mariners bringing in Griffey Jr. to play RF and then replacing Ibanez in LF with Balentien. Ibanez would become a 100-120 game backup at LF/RF/1B/DH while Vidro, Wilkerson, and Sexson would come off the books. Clement becomes a full-time DH who'll catch occasionally and they'll keep Burke or Johnson as their backup to Kenji Johjima who'll definitely re-sign with Seattle. Again, 1B is a glaring hole that'll need to be filled!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | February 28, 2008 at 06:57 AM
The Braves have a lot of money coming off the books at the end of the season, and there's a lot of pressure in Atlanta for Wren to keep him. I see the Braves and Yankees as the only 2 teams who'll really have a shot, and I'll go as far as to say it's 60/40 in the Braves favor.
Rebuilding teams should know better than to spend huge money like that, and other teams like the Mets just payed out mega-huge contracts this season; I doubt they'd be so inclined to have more of those contracts on the payroll.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | February 28, 2008 at 07:24 AM
I think the O's have a great shot at signing Tex. He has mentioned coming home and being the leader of his childhood favorite team.
nrmax.........one of the worst franchises in sports?? Now you are just showing your ignorance. Yes, the O's have been bad for the past decade, but that was because of a bad owner (which seems to have allowed somebody else to do baseball business). But to say the worst team in sports, well, we can all tell you dont know what you are talking about.
And we traded away bedard to get more younger players. No, getting tex would not defeat the purpose. The team is trying to compete in 2010, so signing Tex after the 08 season, and having him in 09 to gell with the team makes perfect sense.
I think the O's have a 35% chance of signing him, but seeing how this year goes, will determine that also. Macphail needs to show he is in it to win, and not be Angelos's puppet.
Posted by: skeetersos | February 28, 2008 at 07:57 AM
McPhail is a toadie. Why do you think he was considered by the owners for commissioner? He was a toadie to the Tribune. He'll certainly be a toadie to Angelos, despite his bravado. McPhail's a fiscal conservative. Teams hire him to try and build teams without spending gobs of money. He didn't attempt to land a single big FA even though the Tribune carpets their lobby with 100 bills. The only way the O's get Texeira is if he signs for a hometown discount.
Posted by: crunchy1 | February 28, 2008 at 08:11 AM
BaseballGuru said:
"The Braves let Andruw Jones go and he was a similar offensive producer, a much better defender"
Andruw was great, and great for the Braves, but he isn't similar offensively to Teixeira - even disregarding last year. Teixeira's batting average will be at least 40 points higher, his OBP will be significantly higher and he's a way better clutch/RISP hitter. He's also probably the best defensive first baseman in the game. Just because the Braves didn't want to give an 8 year/$160 million dollar contract to a physically declining player doesn't mean they wouldn't give one to a younger, healthier and better-all-around player.
Posted by: daslied | February 28, 2008 at 08:30 AM
I honestly think the Braves will resign him, but I would not count out Seattle either.
Posted by: NW | February 28, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Like someone said above, if Boras won't let Ollie sign an extension, there's no way he lets Teixeira sign one... especially with the both the Yankees and Mets having openings at 1B.
Posted by: stellar | February 28, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Of all the teams:
Red Sox - Mild possibility, would mean letting Manny walk and putting Youk back in his original position, the outfield.
Yankees - Good possibility, a lot of money coming off the books and a hole at first.
Mariners - Excellent possibility, if they fall short this year they might have incentive to spend like a teenage school girl.
Orioles - Don't see it. It's possible, but I don't think they'll have the financial clout. Especially if the Steinbrenners are involved.
Mets - Certainly would give them the advantage to gloat4 they're better than the Phillies infield. They have the money, but frankly they'd be better served spending it on a #2 pitcher.
Giants - Building on offense on FA hitters has worked before, could work again. ut with all the other teams out there, I'd be a little surprised if Texeria chooses the Giants.
Braves - Honestly I think they'll open their wallets. It really comes down to this, they gave up a lot of talent to land Texeria, in for a penny in for a pound. I just don't see them walking away without making an outstanding offer.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | February 28, 2008 at 08:50 AM
Youk was never an outfielder.
Starting in 2001 when he was in A- ball, Youk has logged 2,171 innings at 1B, 845 innings at 3B, and 7 innings at 2B. The only time he has EVER played the OF was 134 innings in 2006.
Posted by: stellar | February 28, 2008 at 08:57 AM
Im going to have to say the Orioles.
I think that their offense will be competitive with the addition of Tex and he knows it.
Adam Jones, Nick Markakis, Mark Teixeira, Ramon Hernandez (albeit on a sharp decline...but still passable at catcher) OR Matt Wieters by next season, hopefully they get back something decent for Roberts, Luke Scott or if Nolan Reimold comes up, etc.
Meanwhile the pitching staff, while unspectacular would have pretty decent prospects in Troy Patton, Chris Tillman, Garrett Olsen, Radhames Liz, and a decent bullpen of George Sherrill, Jamie Walker, Chad Bradford and James Hoey with the return of Chris Ray and Danys Baez in 2009.
Adam Loewen looked pretty decent in his short stint last year and hopefully he bounces back and I wouldnt be surprised to see someone like Daniel Cabrera, Hayden Penn or Matt Albers break out. I've been reading mixed reviews about Mazzone's teaching style and how it's really not for everyone.
Posted by: jza1218 | February 28, 2008 at 09:21 AM
BaseballGuru - "The Braves let Andruw Jones go and he was a similar offensive producer, a much better defender, and was a homegrown talent who will in hindsight, cost Atlanta far less money than Teixeira."
Change your handle immediately, b/c you known nothing about baseball if you think Andruw and Tex are similiar offensive producers. And a better defender? Andruw plays the hardest OF position and Tex plays the easiest IF postion...so yeah, I would hope Andruw is a better defender (Tex has a Gold Glove by the way, maybe 2, so that statement holds even less weight).
I also find it funny how skeetersos is so hurt when nrmax says the O's are one of the worst franchises in sports, but then admits the exact fact by confirming their decade long losing streak.
Posted by: Smoltz's Beard | February 28, 2008 at 09:53 AM
With the Braves losing Hampton 15, Ohman 1.5, Glavine 8 and Kotsay 2 they get like 26.5 mil to play with ?
Sooo whats the chances they use at least 22 of that to lock up Tex ?
Jurjens can easily take over Glavine's spot, and Hampton was never really a factor anyways,
so does the 4.5 mil left over gives the Braves enough to accomplish everything else they want to accomplish next year ? Looks kinda tight, especially since 22 mil for tex could be conservative with the mariners and Yankees in the running.
Posted by: BaseBallz | February 28, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Wow, lots of excitement from this post. I think the Red Sox won't be in because the idea that they don't bring Manny back seesm crazy to me. He had his worst season since 1994 last year, but it's probably more due to injuries/bad luck than anything else. now he's playing for a contract, so expect big numbers. And wouldn't the Sox rather have Manny at $20mm on a 1 year deal with another club option for 2010 than giving a long-term deal to someone else?
Yanks probably will be in on this, though, as a Yankee fan, I'm hoping more than anything that CC goes on the market and they devote any and all resources to signing him...please.
Mariners are my best guess. Although be careful when talking about how much money teams will have to spend, these teams do need to replace the guys that will be FAs. I think the M's will be dissapointed this year because their offense is terrible (unless they sign Bonds). I think they'll learn a lesson from this season, which is you actually need to score runs to win games. Look for them to resign Johjima and Ibanez, but not Sexson ($14mm) or Vidro ($8.5mm) and use the money to sign Texiera. One problem: Vidro was given a vesting option for 2009 as part of his agreement to waive his no trade clause to go to Seattle. Can't find the details of the option anywhere, but as best as I can tell it's tied to plate appearances. Another reason to sign Bonds - keep Vidro's PAs down
Posted by: BigScooter | February 28, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Baseballz:
you didn't account for Tex's own 2008 salary coming off the books.
Posted by: jza1218 | February 28, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Everyone's loyal to a club, but don;t let that affect your thinking.
Orioles - Angelos does some crazy things so I'm not gonna say that they won't sign him. HOWEVER, this would make no sense. they are rebuilding and to spend the 20-25 million a year to sign Tex would not make much sense.
Mets - I could see it although they're gonna lose Perez next year, so don't you think they would much rather spend the money on Sabathia or Sheets??? I mean, that makes more sense. Next year they're gonna lose 3 starters. Perez, Pedro and El Duque. They can have Pelfrey pitch, but they are gonna have to spend a little on FA pitching.
Red Sox - When do they ever spend on something they DO NOT need. If they did that they would've pulled the trigger for Santana this year. They spend, but they don't spend aimlessly. That's not Epstein. He's a smart guy and he doesn't like to limit himself. He doesn't need Tex cause of Youkalis, so why would he spend 20 mil on him? He would spend the money on pitching before anything else. The Red Sox just don;t spend more than say...15 million on a guy, unless ur Manny. That's just not the way they do business.
Mariners - This does make sense, but how they dot his season will make a huge difference in their decision making process. They need Bedard to stay so they need to compete, but I don't know if they'll be willing to pay Tex 22, 23, 25 million. I mean, they're paying Ichiro 18, is Tex really that much better than him??? I know he hits HRs, but Ichiro is a hit machine. I think if their offense is abysmal this year and they lose the division to the Angels by 5, 6 games, then they think about it, but I don't know if they are willing to spend that kind of money, when they will have to pay Bedard a big chunk in a few years. They do have a hole, a big hole, but there are other options than paying a guy 20 mil.
Braves - Hmmm, interesting. They might, but there's no way he signs with them on an extension. No way. Boras is his agent, and Boras knows how valuable this guy is. Especially when the Yankees have a HUGE hole at first base and the Mariners want to compete and Angelos is potentially there to do something insane. They will put in a bid, probably one of the best, and Tex might resign with.
Giants - They want someone to replace Bonds. But they know how Bonds crippled them, and I don't know if they want that again. 20 something million dollars is a lot of money and money like that can cripple a club. they other things. i just don't see it. They can fill in three other holes instead of just one with that kind of money. They see what happenned to Barry Zito. They pulled the trigger once before and look how that worked out. No, they don't do anything with him.
Yankees - They make sense. They do have a ton of money coming off and they do have a big hole. But things never seem to go the logical way. Plus, recently they haven't been crazy in the FA market. I think this would be a great sign. To have him and A-rod would scare a lot of pitchers. I definitley think they make a play. With 60 million coming off this year and another 25 next year with Damon and Matsui, I mean why not right? It just makes sense. But things have a way of not going the way that makes the most sense.
Posted by: cv1 | February 28, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Yes the Mets are losing Pedro, Perez, and El Duque, but they are also losing Alou and probably Delgado. The offense is going to have a glaring hole as well.
I think Teixeira, Pedro, FA SP, FA LF is possible.
Posted by: stellar | February 28, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Yes the Mets are losing Pedro, Perez, and El Duque, but they are also losing Alou and probably Delgado. The offense is going to have a glaring hole as well.
I think Teixeira, Pedro, FA SP, FA LF is possible.
Posted by: stellar | February 28, 2008 at 11:14 AM
I just want to reiterate my point about how we evaluate how much money teams have coming off their payrolls. Using the Yanks as an example, they have about $66mm coming off after '08:
1. Giambi $16 (21-5 mil buyout)
2. Pettitte $16
3. Abreu $16
4. Pavano $9 (11-1.95 buyout)
5. Farnsworth $5.5
6. Hawkins $3.75
So, with $66mm they should have no problem siging Texiera to whatever they have to pay, right? BUT, they will still need at least 1 starter, a couple of guys in the bullpen and a rightfielder. They have to pay for at least some of those positions. Plus, let's not forget about young players who all of a sudden become arbitration eligible. Wang lost his arbitration case this year and got $4mm, another 19 win season will probably double that amount. Melky is arbitration eligible for the first time next year, so his $550K '08 salary will probably increase to about $3mm, Cano signed a new deal so his salary will increases from $2.5mm in '08 to $6mm in '09. That's about $10mm in increases to young guys on your team before you even fill the spots left by your FAs.
With that in mind, they're left with about $56mm. So they go out and spend $45mm to sign Texiera and Sabathhia, leaving them $11mm to fill RF and a couple of bullpen slots? They'll spend about $25mm on those 3 spots in '08 and probably can't fill them with less than half that. I doubt you see the Yanks with CC and Tex in '09, especially since they've been trying to reduce payroll the last couple of years.
Posted by: BigScooter | February 28, 2008 at 11:30 AM
People who are saying the Yankees will sign Teixera are overlooking some things.
Posada is going to have to shift to 1B/DH eventually...Jesus Montero a C/1B is coming up the minors and is a major prospect for the Yanks. I believe the Yankees will make CC Sabathia a heavier priority than Tex who has shown that he struggles for entire halfs at times. That is not something that goes over well in NYC...
I bet he goes to Baltimore -- that has always seemed to be the intent of the Orioles organization, and Tex himself.
Posted by: at4inthemornin | February 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Alright, Montero is not going to be the everyday starting 1b for the Yankees. That's just not realistic. He;s probably a better cathching prospect than 1b. Posada will split time catching and DH at the end of his career. He won't move to 1b. I don't the Yankees sign Sabathia. I don't think they sign any free agent pitching next year. They have arguably the best farm system for pitching of any major league club. Signing an FA pitcher would block their progress to the majors. I think the Yankees will probly sign Abreu to a 3 year deal and if they don't there are other short term options. Again, they are not going to block the progress of Austin Jackson and Jose Tabata, two excellent OF prospects.
In terms of the Mets, even without Alou and Delgado the offense is not lacking at all. The National League is not the American League and if we're talking holes, I think losing three starters is an Enormous Hole compared to losing two position players. they have Fernando Martinez to fill in for Alou and there are other options on the FA market to replace Delgado with. Adam Dunn anyone?? I just think Sheets makes a lot more sense for them than Tex.
I don't think Tex will go to a non-contender i.e. the Orioles.
And yes, the yankees will have to pay other people, but more payroll comes off in 2010 so they don;t have to worry about it. they can sign Tex and pay everyone and fill in the pen and still have about 20 mil left over, which reduces their payroll to about 180 mil. Plus, you have to remember that by 2010 the lux tax threshhold will go up to 170 mil (I think don't quote me on that. I know it goes up, and I think its 170 but not completely sure) so they won't have to wry bout the tax as much either. All their bad salaries are coming off in the next few years. They can afford to spend.
Posted by: cv1 | February 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Adding Teixeira to the Angels lineup would be lethal. the only way they get involved, though, is by either trading Kotchman or putting Tex back at 3B, which I'm sure he'd have to agree to.
Still a potential lineup of
Matthews LF
Hunter CF
Vlad RF
Teixeira 3B
Morales/Figgins DH
Kotchman 1B
Kendrick 2B
Napoli C
Wood SS
is nothing to laugh at.
Posted by: bseballcrzy17 | February 28, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Totally disagree...
Montero is 6'4 and already projects to be a 1B, great power, and he's one of the top 10 prospects in the Yankee organization.
CC would be a legitimate signing option for the Yankees -- You are forgetting that Pettitte and Mussina are both gone after this season. That leaves Joba/Hughes/Kennedy to head a staff? I don't think they are going to have a starting 5 of pitches all below the age of 25.
Posted by: at4inthemornin | February 28, 2008 at 12:03 PM
There is no chance Texeira goes anywhere but Baltimore. He has ties to the city, said he would like to play there, and they are in great need of a guy with his power. Yes, Baltimore is rebuilding, but part of the rebuilding process is having guy to rebuild around. They have built up a stockpile of good, young arms, they have plenty of depth in the outfield, and with a Roberts trade they could add youth to the infield. As of right now, Markakis is the player Baltimore is building around, but without anyone hitting behind him he won't be effective for long. Typically Baltimore does not like to spend tons of money on one guy, but with the recent trades they have dealt nearly all of their big salaries for guys making next to nothing. Not to mention Peter Angelos deals in odd ways. He is known to become attached to certain players, such as Roberts, and as a result he will do anything he can to get those players. Texeira is one of those guys. So, at the end of this season Baltimore will have the three things Texeira is looking for: lots of money, an opening at first base, and a chance to lead his hometown team back to the glory years.
Posted by: coryaj20 | February 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Posted by: coryaj20 | February 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM
bro not because texira grew up in baltimore that means he's gonna play there.
whwy would the o's spend at least 100 million on a guy and they know they are not going to win.
i really dont care where he goes but i dont want him to end up with red sox,, lol
i would rather the yanks bring in cc sabathia and another good pitcher and equipt our pulpen.
we have enuff offence, but having tex in ny would be great.
Posted by: BxSquad | February 28, 2008 at 01:33 PM
"nrmax.........one of the worst franchises in sports?? Now you are just showing your ignorance. Yes, the O's have been bad for the past decade, but that was because of a bad owner (which seems to have allowed somebody else to do baseball business). But to say the worst team in sports, well, we can all tell you dont know what you are talking about."
Okay, you win. The O's are a model franchise in which the likes of the Yankees, Redsox and such should all try to duplicate as soon as possible. Seriously? They are an absolutely horrid franchise. There is no way around it. I have no bias against Baltimore, they just are very, very, bad. And also, are you not familiar with hyperbole? Either way, saying that O's are the worst franchise in sports right now isnt much of a stretch.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 28, 2008 at 02:30 PM
Tim,
Why did the Orioles relationship with Boras need repairing? Did something happen? Or is this a case of media pile-on? I don't believe anything in particular happened between Angelos and Boras.
Posted by: basemonkey | February 28, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Boras doesn't have to LET Tex re-sign, he can choose to NOT listen to Boras. Ultimately it's up to Tex. He can always go the A-Rod, Rogers, Sheffield route.....he's going to get P.A.I.D with or without Bor-ASS
Posted by: maximumpotential | February 28, 2008 at 03:39 PM
i don't really see the braves re-signing tex to be honest. i think it's going to have a lot to do with where they finish this season... if they make the playoffs, i think the chances will definitely improve, but if they finish in 3rd again, i think it's very unlikely.
it would be odd for them to commit what would be about a fifth of their payroll to one player when they've got guys like francouer and kelly johnson to worry about in the near future. not to mention the surplus of outfield hitting prospects in the system that could be potentially moved to first or traded down the line.
Posted by: dudetheplayer | February 28, 2008 at 04:52 PM
To the people saying he'll go to Baltimore: No way he goes there without a GIANT payout. The reasons listed for going there are all outweighed by the fact that Baltimore won't be a contending team until Tex is past his prime.
He'll stay in Atlanta. They'll be able to afford the price tag, and in NY (the only other real contender for him), they'll be worrying about Sabathia and leaving a spot open for Posada in a year or two.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | February 28, 2008 at 05:05 PM
at4inthemornin-you are forgetting about wang in the yanks rotation. but i agree with you that they would be better served going after sabathia. i don't know if management realizes it too (they probably do) but sp is a much bigger need for the yanks than a 1B. their lineup will be fine. but joba, hughes, and kennedy have proven little or nothing in the majors despite their promise. there's no guarantee that any of them will be great, much less all three of them, as many yankee fans like to make them out to be. sabathia would do them much more good than tex. personally i think mark will take a little less money to stay in atlanta (if it means ditching boras, so be it, arod did) or i could easily see him in seattle, taking sexson's role as expensive (but in tex's case productive) 1B.
Posted by: jacklaf | February 28, 2008 at 06:23 PM
Tex to the Giants is a no go. It just doesn't make any sense for the Giants to consider him as an option.
1.) They just decided to pay Rowand about 12 million a year for the next 5 years.
2.) Their #1 prospect, Angel Vilalona has already been projected to move to 1st base
3.) With the #5 pick in the draft, and an organization most desperately in need of positional prospects, seems most likely the Giants will be considering Alvarez, Beckham, Smoak, Alonso, or Hosmer. Three of those five, and possibly four (Alvarez), project to be Major League 1st basemen at a fraction of the cost.
It would be a step in the right direction for a struggling franchise to lock up a player of Tex's caliber, but it makes more sense to keep the money and re-sign the young arms who will solidify the future of their rotation.
Posted by: The Juice | February 28, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Braves have the money and the motive to sign Tex long term
1) we gave up a lot of talented prospects to get him
2) we have money coming off the books
3) our near future pitching staff is going to be heading by Hudson and backloaded with good young talent like Reyes, Jurrjens, James, Morton, etc..
4) Aging Chipper, young middle infield, we could use a good leader liike Tex
5) If Liberty wants to sell the team in a few years they would get more money if they had a competitive team (like with Tex)
Posted by: paradox | February 28, 2008 at 10:02 PM
"Boras doesn't have to LET Tex re-sign, he can choose to NOT listen to Boras. Ultimately it's up to Tex. He can always go the A-Rod, Rogers, Sheffield route.....he's going to get P.A.I.D with or without Bor-ASS"
Yes, but then why would you ever hire the guy in the first place? He knows he can go play in Baltimore if he wants, or stay in Atlanta, but he will take less money to do so in one case, or be on a dreadful, dreadful team for the rest of his career in the other scenario. Guys who hire Boras are in it for the money. He could go without an aganet and still make 20 mil a year, trust me, he will do what Boras says.
And the thing is with the whole A-Rod situation, it is so funny how all of you buy into all of this crap, calling out Boras, blaming him fdor the whole thing, blah blah. Well, guess what, that means he did a perfect job. He took all the blame off A-Rod and onto himself, and he got A-Rod the biggest contract in the history of proffesional sports. Jeez. How horrible.
"he's going to get P.A.I.D with or without Bor-ASS"
Exactly, so if he cared about sentimental things like playing where he is comfortable or going close to home, why would he have hired Boras? The answer, because he doesnt care about those things, he wants the most money, and thats what Scott will get him.
Posted by: nrmax88 | February 29, 2008 at 06:57 AM
paradox,
It was reported that Atlanta (the GM specifically) said they were going to evaluate it as a good trade if they won two pennants or one pennant and a world series. That sounds a whole lot like they have no intensions on bringing him back and that he was never supposed to be anything but a two year rental. Now onto your points...
1) You gave up a good catcher that was playing out of position at 1B and was blocked long-term by McCann. In addition to that you gave up a SS who besides being highly touted is nothing more than a utility infielder who has the potential upside of being Ozzie Smith defensively but who on the other hand has the potential upside of being Ozzie Smith offensively. Sure "The Wizard" was a HoF, but he was one of the best defensive infielders to ever play the game, if not THE BEST!
This guy has lots of potential but he sounds like a bust waiting to happen, maybe something along the lines of Willie Bloomquist with a little more pop, BUT NOT MUCH MORE. Also, Elvis Andrus was blocked by Yunel Escobar and Brent Lillibridge, not to mention the departed Renteria. One more thing about Andrus, he has a .266 career average and has never played about long-season A ball and will be turning 20 in 2008. By now at that level he should at least be able to hit .280 as power takes time to develope, not hand eye coordination. To expound on that statement, he has struckout a staggering 198 times with only 8 total HRs over his last two seasons, which was a total of only 237 games. For those keeping score at home, it equates to exactly 1.5 full seasons in the major leagues minus a few off days, which means if he played as a starter for a full season he would average 130 strikeouts to go with 5-6 HRs. Most of the players that strikeout that much hit AT LEAST 30 HRs. Sounds to me like you are talking about a kid that can't hit the breaking ball. This comparison is fair because he is playing against his own development level in A-ball. His status as a top prospect says more about the Braves lack of minor league talent than it does of his ability. We could give away three or four SS from the Mariners minor leagues who have more to offer a big league club and still have Triunfel who is a better SS prospect than Yunel Escobar. You gave away two blocked position players that were so far down the depth chart it would've taken an outbreak of the black plague in Atlanta for the next three years in order for them to crack the starting lineup. The pitchers were solid but only Neftali Feliz struck me as being capable of asserting himself this season as a can't miss type prospect, Matt Harrison has good upside, but I think he looks like a #3 or a #4 starter if he makes it the majors, then finally you have the southpaw Beau Jones, who has been solid if anything during his career and probably resides closer to unremarkable, but he's left-handed and you can never have too many of those sitting around in your bullpen catching a baseball with the top of their fist like an ice cream cone waiting to do clean-up duty, right?! They gave up a haul when you go by quantity, but I think you have to look at it like this: A starting catcher, a utility infielder, a bullpen arm, a lefty specialist, and a back of the rotation starter for An all-star/gold glove 1B and one of the best left-handed relievers in the game. In the mind of Atlanta's front office, they probably assess it as cleaning out the pantry rather than throwing away good food. I think the value was fair considering they got a season and a half of Teixeira and a half season of one of the best bullpen arms in the game. I don't think that Atlanta feels the burden to bring Teixeira back to warrant the trade, in the same way the Mariners MUST bring back Bedard to warrant their move last month.
2) You do have money coming off the books, but you have Matt Diaz and Mike Gonzalez, who together should get around $6-7MM more from arbitration, Tyler Yates and Omar Infante will combined be seeing around $1-2MM more, Rafael Soriano gets a pay raise of 3.7MM, they'll have to get a starter on the open market which should run about $10-12MM as they need a number three if Glavine doesn't return, Will Ohman will make an extra $1-2MM, Jeff Francoeur is due for around a $4MM increase when compared to players with his talent appearing in their first arbitration case, Kelly Johnson will also be good for at least $1.5-2MM more and there are a number of other players that could become a Super 2 arbitration case! By the time you fill the hole in CF and pitcher that is creating the surplus of cash and then pay everyone their raises, you won't have $20MM to give Teixeira! He would have to give a hometown discount and I don't see that happening...
3) You do have a good group of solid starting prospects, but they won't replace their #3 starter with young-bucks like the ones you listed. Young guys fill the back end of the rotation, not the TOR or #3 & #4 for that matter. If they get desperate and these guys develope quicker than expected, you might see them fill the #4 hole with these guys as well. If they try and put together a rotation like the one you suggest, it would equate to a rebuilding process and Teixeira will definitely leave for green pastures then! If he wanted to do a rebuilding effort he would pick Baltimore who has deeper pockets, so they are either trying to win now and can't afford him and the players it would take to do this, or they are rebuilding and I'm fairly certain he would rather be in Baltimore than Atlanta if he is going to sacrifice prime years of his career.
4) Your point about Chipper Jones is actually a con not a pro in the argument. Why would he want to be on a team of kids with one grizzled veteran who is closing in on retirement?! Also, where do you think Chipper will have to play in two seasons if he is still with Atlanta?! You take away Smoltz, Glavine, and Chipper and you have Baltimore. Francoeur is similar to Markakis and Mora and Chipper will be more similar as Jones gets on in age.
5) They may see the value being higher with him on the team, but that's IF they decide to sell, and the bigger IF is IF Teixeira wants to be part of the rebuild now to win in two years mentality. I think you want to justify the trade by keeping him here, but he's got one chance to get paid and that's now, he's not going to risk the uncertainty of 7 seasons on a mid-level market team, notice no other team in Atlanta's price range for payroll has signed a player over $15MM a season except the Giants?! As a side note, SF is kicking themselves in the ass for that move and more times than not, you have to have a higher ceiling payroll to eat bad contracts and Atlanta can't afford for Teixeira to get $20MM/season for x number of years and have him come out playing like 2007 Texas Teixeira as opposed to 2007 Atlanta Teixeira! Mark staying in a Braves uniform after this season is under 5% and if they fall more than 7 games out at trade deadline, expect him to be moved to a contender!
Posted by: BaseballGuru | February 29, 2008 at 07:14 AM
Bedard will sign with Bluejays when he is a free agent.I would take Olson,Guthrie,Lowen,Penn,Patton,Cabrera over Seattles 3 threw 5 starters.Angels will take the division.Baltimore's young pitching is under rated,no pitching?Will seattle sign both Bedard and Teixeira? Sounds like around 40 million per yr to have both?Like I said BEDARD will be BLUE JAY!The Silva signing was crazy.
Posted by: OUTL@W]EC[ | March 03, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Bedard will sign with Bluejays when he is a free agent.I would take Olson,Guthrie,Lowen,Penn,Patton,Cabrera over Seattles 3 threw 5 starters.Angels will take the division.Baltimore's young pitching is under rated,no pitching?Will seattle sign both Bedard and Teixeira? Sounds like around 40 million per yr to have both?Like I said BEDARD will be a BLUE JAY!The Silva signing was crazy.
Posted by: OUTL@W]EC[ | March 03, 2008 at 12:52 AM
"And plus, why would Tex want to spend the rest of his career in one of the worst franchises in sports?"
O.K. nrmax88, ur stupid. yea the braves are one of the worst franchises in baseball. we have the 2nd best farm system (#1 is tampa bay) and we have won F.O.U.R.T.E.E.N count F.O.U.R.T.E.E.N straight divsional titles. i don't think the Yanks have won that many straight in a row. so i would watch my words before you say we suck. we are one of the most successful franchises in baseball and the most successful one in the NL east. Derek Jeter is set to play 1st after this season anyway and the shortstop vacancy is probably gonna be filled by someone such as Rafael Furcal or someone with that nature. just shut ur mouth before u know wat ur saying.
Posted by: BraveSluggas | March 03, 2008 at 09:03 PM