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7:21pm: David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution confirms Detroit's interest in the Braves' Out Of Options Four. DOB can envision a scenario where the Braves carry three of the four and trade one.
3:23pm: Jon Paul Morosi of the Detroit Free Press speculates that the Tigers and Braves may match up well for a trade. Morosi notes four out of options relievers for Atlanta: Blaine Boyer, Chris Resop, Royce Ring, and Tyler Yates. He also mentions "frequent trade discussions" in recent years between the two clubs.
ESPN's Jayson Stark wrote yesterday that the Tigers "would like to add a big-time set-up arm." Stark said nothing was imminent but the Tigers have been active in trade discussions. The above Braves relievers don't fit the "big-time" criteria; Atlanta's four would make sense for Philly if they weren't in the same division.
My list of more highly regarded guys who might be available: Brian Fuentes, Damaso Marte, Joe Nathan, Jamie Walker, Chad Bradford, Huston Street, Alan Embree, Kevin Gregg, Jon Rauch, and Chad Cordero. Any others come to mind?
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The guys in Atlanta don't really have "big-time setup" written all over them. Ring or Boyer, maybe, but they're pretty unproven. It doesn't make much sense for the Braves either, to me, since I don't see the Braves getting anyone in return who would be any different from what they send, except maybe with options left.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | March 20, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Jimmy Gobble
Posted by: firesticks | March 20, 2008 at 03:34 PM
Boyer is big and throws hard. He doesn't have big name written all over him, but he was pretty highly regarded earlier in his career. As I recall, he had been mentioned as a possible swing man, which would be useful for the Tigers who may need him to fill multiple roles with their pitching stretched thin.
That said, the Bravos probably wouldn't be looking for an ML ready player in return, probably a prospect. I could see both him and Ring as possibly being dealt (Ring makes for a good LOOGY).
Posted by: Andy Braves Fan | March 20, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Who would the Tigers give up for a "big name setup-man." All of their trade chips went to the Marlins for Cabrera and Willis
Posted by: Joe | March 20, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Isn't Yates actually pretty good? Another possible option (no idea how realistic) would be for Atlanta to send Moylan to Detroit, creating a spot to hold onto one of the above out-of-options guys.
Personally I think it's more reasonable that the "big-time arm" stuff is just hot air. Boyer, Ring, and Yates would all be upgrades over relievers the Tigers are currently slated to give innings to. I don't have any idea what's left in Detroit's tank to move for a bp arm, but they're said to be pretty dry, which seems to say to me that they're not in the market at the Nathan/Cordero/Street level (yet).
Posted by: asm | March 20, 2008 at 04:01 PM
Perhaps Atlanta can send a reliever, such as Boyer or Yates, for a bench bat, namely Marcus Thames? Not enough for Thames, or is Detroit desperate enough for that?
Or hell, send them Boyer, Yates and Resop for Inge and a ton of cash. :)
Posted by: daslied | March 20, 2008 at 04:30 PM
I think the Braves are set at 3rd. I don't think Detroit would move Thames, he's supposed to platoon with Jones in LF... I don't think you want Jacque Jones as your full-time starter at this point.
Posted by: asm | March 20, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Tigs kinda screwed themselves trading every prospect they had. Don't get me wrong, that team is beast because of those deals, but after Porcello (who they're NOT going to move for a RP), they got zip.
Posted by: milehigh78 | March 20, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Who more "big-time" then Keith Foulke ???
Sure he might not be great, but he def is "Big time".
Tigers could send over Cale Lorg, nice infield prospect, im sure thats all they'd need to send ;)
Posted by: BaseBallz | March 20, 2008 at 05:32 PM
Tampa Bay has some guys, namely Reyes and Wheeler, who would qualify. I know they worked hard to rebuild that pen but a 3-way deal (Reyes or Wheeler to Detroit, one or two of the out-of-option guys to TB and a prospect to Atl and or TB from Detroit could be in the Rays best long term interest.
The Cardinals might move Springer or Franklin, especially if they've bought into the rebuilding mode.
Posted by: Devlsh | March 20, 2008 at 05:48 PM
This has some sense behind it. While the braves available relievers are not big time, they are worthy of giving innings too at the very least. And sense they are out of options, it could be conceived that the braves would want to trade them to add another position player. The trade probably would center around marcus thames, and simply because he is a right handed option who could man center in a platoon with kotsay, and the braves braves have expressed interest in juan rivera already, so thames would be a more realistic option. I am sure it would take boyer or ring to get thames though, and those are the two options that i want to complete the pen.
Finally, the braves do not have any desire to take on the multi-year commitment to brandon inge. And Peter Moylan is not going anywhere, as an under 2 ERA in 90 innings is not something you trade away. Plus, moylan is our main set-up piece at the moment.
Again, I would like to add thames to the mix, as he would be a nice addition to take place of the subtraction of a reliever with no options.
Posted by: bravesbeast | March 20, 2008 at 06:07 PM
Maybe they are looking at Bob Wickman. He played for the Braves, and he is definetly "Big" all of the time.
Makes sense to me
Posted by: BaseBallz | March 20, 2008 at 06:45 PM
There is no way the Tigers are going to trade Thames for an out-of-options relief arm. There is also no way that Marcus Thames can play CF.
Posted by: asm | March 20, 2008 at 07:30 PM
i agree with asm. thames can't really play CF and he is far more valuable than any relief option the braves could give, other than perhaps moylan, who isn't going anywhere. and no daslied, i don't think detroit is that desperate for a setup man. how about mike hessman??? any braves fan remembers how well that experiment turned out. i'm not particularly familiar with the tigers roster and organization other than their big name starters (cabrera, renteria, granderson, maggs, sheff, etc.). can any tigers fans give a perspective on any bench guys or what's left of their farm system that could be an option in return for one of these guys? is ryan raburn any good? haven't watched him much. he at least seems to be versatile...
Posted by: jacklaf | March 20, 2008 at 08:33 PM
Remember, Inge has been playing games in CF and has probably earned the chance to be the backup there. If we send Inge and a prospect, we could get Yates and maybe Ohman.
Posted by: TigerFan54 | March 20, 2008 at 08:35 PM
Ryan Rayburn Could be an option, but Mark Hessman is not, simply because he actually is a downplayed version of joe borchard, whom we already have.
In my previous post, my lack of words gave the wrong impression. i meant to say that boyer and ring are not enough to get thames, but thames was not enough to get aaron heilman, so maybe a medium ground could be found.
Posted by: bravesbeast | March 20, 2008 at 08:39 PM
Raburn can play all 3 OF positions, 2B and probably 3B in a pinch. He is a little too valuable as a backup to be traded.
Brent Cleven could be a player to be traded if ATL simply wants a CF backup.
Pitching is getting thin of prospects, except for SP Virgil Vasquez and RP Jordan Tata.
Posted by: TigerFan54 | March 20, 2008 at 08:46 PM
I'd personally trade Thames in a heartbeat over Raburn, but Leyland loves him so I doubt he is going anywhere. I don't think Raburn will be traded either unless they are resigned to being stuck with Inge because he would fulfill a similar role. What about Guzman? He's a fast centerfielder...maybe he could be a backup for Atlanta?
Posted by: gipper77 | March 20, 2008 at 08:50 PM
The Braves don't need a CF backup. Blanco and Anderson are both deserving of major-league spots, but one of them will be going to AAA. When Infante returns, he can back up CF as well.
Thames is definitely available, but he isn't a fit for the Braves because they already have Joe Borchard, who is also deserving but with no roster spot available.
The Braves don't need Inge either, especially at his salary.
Maybe a AA prospect for Resop or Boyer?
Posted by: kray1000 | March 20, 2008 at 10:36 PM
This is exactly what I suggested yesterday in the comments section under the post that talks about the Tigers 1B Thames being available! This makes perfect sense for both clubs!
Posted by: SoleMaverick | March 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I dunno, the Braves could sure use Miguel Cabrera and Joel Zumaya. Particularly if all they have to give up is Yates or Thorman.
Posted by: Land-Man | March 20, 2008 at 11:14 PM
SoleMaverick,
Obviously you didn't read my post you responded to.
The Braves already have backup options at 1B (Joe Borchard I mentioned above, but they also have Brayan Pena, who is also out of options, by the way). Kotsay and Diaz could play there in a pinch as well.
The one thing Thames does have is some power, but his .241 career batting average does nothing for me.
Posted by: kray1000 | March 21, 2008 at 07:37 AM
I only suggested the Braves getting Inge if they got a boatload of cash. He can spell Chipper or McCann (even though he doesn't want to catch), probably be a backup in the outfield and would be a decent bat off the bench. And he could probably give Teixeira some rest at first base. I don't buy Joe Borchard - a good spring doesn't mean much.
So how about including Pena? Don't the Tigers need a backup catcher that actually wants to catch? Pena, Boyer and, say, Ridgway for Inge and cash? No good? Pena and Boyer for Thames?
Posted by: daslied | March 21, 2008 at 08:43 AM
For some reason the Tigers don't seem to want to include cash in an Inge deal. Why, I can't exactly understand...especially if it would mean they could actually get something useful back. Also, they still seem to be willing to wait for Vance Wilson to be ready to back up Pudge.
Posted by: gipper77 | March 21, 2008 at 11:19 AM
"Pena, Boyer and, say, Ridgway for Inge and cash? No good? Pena and Boyer for Thames?"
These deals don't sound too propitious to the Braves; of Boyer, Resop, and Yates, Boyer is the pitcher the Braves are most likely to keep.
Posted by: JPX7 | March 21, 2008 at 01:41 PM
If I'm the Braves I'd rather have Pena and Boyer than Thames. Hell, I'd rather have EITHER of them than Thames.
I can understand not being sold on Joe Borchard. He's teased major league fans before. But the Braves still have other in-house options who are better than Thames for 1B. But then again, I'd rather have him than Thorman...
Posted by: kray1000 | March 21, 2008 at 05:12 PM
"I dunno, the Braves could sure use Miguel Cabrera and Joel Zumaya. Particularly if all they have to give up is Yates or Thorman."
Land-Man wins this thread.
Posted by: asm | March 21, 2008 at 09:37 PM