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Boras Demands For Alvarez, Hosmer Leaked?

Kiley McDaniel reports rumors of Scott Boras' asking price for '08 draftees Pedro Alvarez and Eric Hosmer.  He's hearing a $9.5MM big league deal for Alvarez and a $7MM bonus for Hosmer - steep demands.

Hosmer, a high school first baseman, has been compared to Casey Kotchman by Baseball America.  He's a top ten pick.  Alvarez, one of the top talents in the draft, plays third base for Vanderbilt but may end up at first.  He figures to go within the first four picks (Rays, Pirates, Royals, Orioles) for sure.

By the way, the Reds have the seventh pick, and BA's Jim Callis thinks they'll go for a pitcher.  He names Shooter Hunt, Tanner Scheppers, and Tim Melville as the main candidates.


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I think the Rays will pass on Alvarez, as good as he is, and take a pitcher or middle infielder. They would have no spot for Alvarez; Longoria and Pena are sure to be in TB a long time.

Simply more proof why Boras is bad for baseball.

Too bad that teams can't trade their picks. If they could, the Rays (or other teams) could trade their picks to the money teams. A lot of the small market teams reach for guys to avoid the Boras guys. They might as well trade down to the spot where the guy deserves to get picked and get some value from the Yankees/Sox/Cubs, etc for moving down. Why take a #20 talent at #5 (for example) when you could trade down to #20 and get the same guy plus a decent prospect from another team?

Let the Free fall begin on Alvarez

alvarez just needs to fall to #5 :)

The draft is whats wrong with baseball, I think its proven that small market teams can win with good drafting and good scouting. However when the scales are tipped in favor of the large market teams from the very ground roots of the league things will never be even.

Yes i agree, because the draft picks are always going to fall to the teams than can actually afford them, which are the teams at the bottom of the draft that already are winning teams. Just look at Rick Pocellio( or however his name is spelled) in last years draft. I think that they should limit the contracts for draftees so that any team could afford them.

If baseball EVER wants to have a competitive balance, they MUST do something about these STUPID signing bonuses and big dollar contracts for UNKNOWN talent.

Paying players who HAVE DONE NOTHING IN THE MAJORS big money like this is just plain stupid. I say, put a cap in place, maybe $100,000 dollars each, for ALL Draftees. That way, small market temas can afford to Draft GOOD players and not have to pass on them because they are asking for TOO MUCH MONEY.

Maybe the Yankees can afford to pay BIG BUCKS to guys like Brien Taylor and have them NEVER reach the Majors but small market teams CAN NOT.

If these guys don't like the idea of getting $100,000 right out of high school or college, then they can either NOT go into baseball or go to college and get a degree in something where they CAN make that much money.

I highly doubt MOST of these guys could make that much money anywhere else if they are coming right out of high school or college. So, they would go into the Minors and actually have to work their way through instead of being promoted just because of how much money they are being paid.

Now, to keep the Player's Association happy, the Major League minimum salary would have to be increased. Thus yet ANOTHER reason for these young Draftees to work hard and try to get to the Majors.

Why are people so adamantly against ballplayers (young or otherwise) getting sizable contracts? Isn't it really preferable for team owners to have it instead?

I assume fans don't like big contracts because they view them as preclusions to their team signing other players. That's probably fair from an individual's point of view, but alternatively I'd rather see the money lining the pockets of a ballplayer than those of an already-rich businessman.

You shouldn't really hold it against the ballplayer for trying to get as much money as he can, the owners have the exact same goals. If fans are willing to spend enough at the ballpark to support $20M contracts and $10M signing bonuses, so be it. Boras can only get what the market allows.

I think there are several ways to improve the draft:

1) Foreign players must declare eligibility for the draft and be signed through the draft process or as an undrafted player. This prevents teams with huge scouting budgets from locking up every promising 13 year old in the Dominican Republic. This would also prevent players like Dice-K going to the highest bidder.

2) Draft picks should be tradeable for either other draft picks or for players in the minor or major leagues. Draft picks cannot be traded for cash consideration.

3) Slotting would allow teams to have a very good estimate of how much their player will cost. Players can not be paid over slot.

4) In the event a player who is drafted goes unsigned (because they refuse their slot amount or because they go to college instead) the drafting team should hold the rights to the player for a specific # of years. After the term expires the player is eligible to re-enter the draft and start the process over again.


Each of these ideas is aimed at providing equity in the draft and allowing teams with a more limited budget the opportunity to draft quality players. It also reduces the ability of agents (like Boras) to hold teams ransom for insane amounts of money.

Corey - I'm all for ballplayers getting fair compensation. I don't have any issues with talented players making a lot of money.

My concern comes with the purpose of the draft. The draft is designed to provide an opportunity for poorer performing teams to acquire inexpensive, high quality talent. Talent, that they may not be able to afford through costly FA acquisitions. In reality, the draft is becoming a 2nd FA period. Players price themselves out of the range of teams who should be drafting them.

Instead, the best talent falls down the draft board to teams with deep pockets. The cycle of inequity continues. The teams that need the talent the most often pass up the best talent in order to find someone who they can afford.

This cycle perpetuates the model where rich teams continue to get better and poorer teams continue to be bound in mediocrity.

Garbage! I am a huge Angel Fan. Does anyone remember the Angels payroll in the 80s and 90s?

1. They do not play in a traditional huge market (anaheim)

2. They compete with the Padres and Dodgers for fans

3.They didnt make money till they started winning

Additionally EVERY SINGLE team got a $30 million check from MLB.com alone.

It is garbage that teams can be called small market in the draft. Every team can afford to pay a lot if they have to pick top 5.

yes, contracts like Johan and A-rod are larger financial risks, but all these teams have a lot of money and either are being run inefficenetly or are cheap. There is never a reason a team should avoid talent in a draft for 750,000-2 million dollars. Its the equivilent of a journeymans annual salary.


Its ludacris that people buy into this

IIRC, Price got a 8.5 million big league deal last year to go with a 5.6 million signing bonus. How much of a bonus would it take to sign Alvarez? doesn't he have an injured hand?

And I like that idea of not letting kids return to the draft the next year. That is probably all that is needed. say, drafting teams have a college player's rights for 3 years and a high schooler's for 6 years. Unless you want to be the next Matt Harrington, sign.
Keep the present rule about not being able to trade a freshly drafted player.

Draft slotting needs to be fixed - the best talent should always go to the worst teams. Players like Porcello should never be able to drop into the mid-20s. Other than that, baseball is fine.

Porcello didn't drop because the system is broken. He dropped because a bunch of teams were cheap and/or didn't want to disobey the recommendations. Even the smallest market teams can afford to pay the top talents in the draft; some choose not to. The Bucs probably will this year but didn't under the old regime.

This is ridiculous yet I am not surprised in the least. I really hate Boras.

Tim, I think saying that every team in the league but 3-4 teams is cheap maybe shows a deeper problem. If baseball was Basketball and these players are star players right out of College and even high school I might agree.

You're oversimplifying it, Tim. First off, they know Boras' demands. Second, he required a spot on the 40 man roster. Also, he could have decided to go to North Carolina(I think that's where he was going) and the team would have just wasted a spot. What's more is that I believe Boras has clients that say they just won't sign with bad teams and I believe this is why Andrew Miller dropped so far in 06. No one wants to have a J.D. Drew happen to them, and Boras isn't afraid to do it again.

I hate it but it is a reality. That said if franchises were really dedicated to winning they would draft the best players no matter what.

That last sentence says it all, gogopalehose. A lot of these small market teams are dedicated to pocketing the revenue sharing money, not winning.

Well, it is easy to say that but we have to remember the risks of blowing your top pick and a long losing season for nothing to deal with Boras. He's really screwed teams over before with his maneuvers. Plus, you have to wonder how much a three million difference means when one is slightly better than the other, but the other still has a shot at being better than that guy represented by Boras. That three million could go into tons of international prospect signings and you could get some gems out of that. Intricate process this whole thing is.

I agree on teams should get the players rights for up to 3 years. But I'd only say that about 1st round picks. Some guys taken in the 3rd round should be able to return and let them get some more seasoning. And maybe move up to being a 1st round type.

Also it would be nice to trade for draft picks in deals. Maybe teams like TB could make a deal with NYY where they can get NYY's draft pick plus a solid minorleaguer for their high draft pick.

Rearden I completely agree with you on that, however it is a Different issue. I do think that the MLB should have a Salary cap thats like the NHL's. Obviously A. it lowers the total spending from the top end teams but B. it also forces some teams to spend more with a min Salary for each team.

I wonder if Boras was Cueto's agent when he got that big 3500 dollar signing bonus

Since we are really only talking about giving a Boras' player 3MM more than a cheaper player, than why doesn't the team just give up the extra 3MM to the Boras' player. For example, this winter the Oriols signed Steve Trachsel to a 1 year, 3MM contract. Is he going to help the Oriols win that many more games? But if they just gave the extra 3MM to the Boras' player, he might be a big upgrade over a cheaper player.

I think this means that the Rays will take Tim Beckham first overall.

2 things...
1) Owners all HAVE the money to pay these guys these astronomical SB's. They just don't because they're greedy bastards. That's not always the case, but a lot of the time they pass up the chance to improve their team a lot but they just wanna save a few bucks in the short term.

"1) Owners all HAVE the money to pay these guys these astronomical SB's. They just don't because they're greedy bastards. That's not always the case, but a lot of the time they pass up the chance to improve their team a lot but they just wanna save a few bucks in the short term."

You are wrong because small market teams do not have the large fan base to A) Sell out the ballpark on a regular basis and B) Sell a lot of team merchandise as result of smaller fanbase/less attendance.

Granted this is an oversimplification but it is obvious that any businessman is not going to go into the RED (i.e. a deficit) in operating costs of their baseball team by signing expensive players if they don't have the fanbase to support it.

It has nothing to do with how much money they already have it makes no economic sense to pay more money than you are making for anybody no matter how rich you may be.

"Corey - I'm all for ballplayers getting fair compensation. I don't have any issues with talented players making a lot of money.

My concern comes with the purpose of the draft. The draft is designed to provide an opportunity for poorer performing teams to acquire inexpensive, high quality talent. Talent, that they may not be able to afford through costly FA acquisitions. In reality, the draft is becoming a 2nd FA period. Players price themselves out of the range of teams who should be drafting them.

Instead, the best talent falls down the draft board to teams with deep pockets. The cycle of inequity continues. The teams that need the talent the most often pass up the best talent in order to find someone who they can afford.

This cycle perpetuates the model where rich teams continue to get better and poorer teams continue to be bound in mediocrity."

You are exactly right.

The only question that needs to be asked is how is the draft order made anyways? So if it is essentially made based upon which teams had the worst record and which had the best than theoretically shouldn't the worst teams acquire the best players?

People need to calm down. This business about teams not being able to afford these guys is nonsense. If a small market team can afford Eric Milton or Jose Guillen or any other signing for millions of dollars in a year when they're not going to win, then they can afford ANY prospect they think is actually that good. If you think Pedro Alvarez is the next Pujols, then $9.5 million is a huge bargain. Every team can afford to splurge on the draft. It's a sign of poor priorities that some small market teams don't do it and a sign of good business that teams like the Red Sox do it.

But regardless, if you're running a team with a $140M payroll versus a team with a $70M payroll, having that extra money makes it easier for you to overspend in the draft. And the fact is that Carl Pohlad has way more money than George Steinbrenner, regardless of how much money the Yankees make. If Pohlad wanted to turn the Twins into a financial giant, he could do it easily. He just chooses not to, in order to make more money. The team seems to win anyways so he gets away with it most of the time

Boras can't literally be representing Alvarez at this time. It would blow his amateur status. He must be a "counselor" or some-such person.

Forbes ranks Carl Pohlad tied for the 107th richest person in the United States, with a net worth of 2.6 billion dollars. This man could/should of signed Johan and not worried about the dough, but hey i'm not complaining.

If the Rays choose Tim Beckham over Alvarez, he is still going to be super expensive. And the decision will be based on baseball reasons. Its not like they didn't make a major committment to Price last year. He was the "best" talent in the draft, he went first overall and he cost the most.


In theory, the draft is a chance for small market teams to compete by spending some extra money on signing young players instead of LOTS of extra money on high-priced free agents. Of course now, teams like the Yankees, Tigers, Dodgers, Mets, and BoSox have figured out they can spend tons of money on both... Some way to enforce the slotting system and a cap on bonuses needs to be put in place, and draft picks should be tradeable.

That said, "Pedro Alvarez" is a baseball name if I've ever heard one, and he'll get paud based on that alone.

I can finally say this! I played high school ball against Pedro Alvarez, and let me tell you, this guy can hit a ton and he's a gamer.

I pitched against him once, and though he just went 1-3 against me (I can't wait until he's in the bigs so I can say that to people with a big grin), he hit the snot out of each ball hit.

Considering the D-Rays took Price last year, taking Alvarez first this year is a no-brainer. Alvarez can play 3B, SS, and 1B. Heck, he can play OF too. He's too good of a hitter and fielder to pass off because of a $2 million difference...

Good luck to Pedro!

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