Davidoff: Sabathia Not Likely For Yankees

while i would love to see the mets get him i dont think they have the pieces so yea i think the dodgers make the most sense

I could live with CC in a Brewers uniform. If Milwaukee could get him for Prince Fielder, I'd do if CC singed an extension. I have no problem paying for top 5 talent. CC is a top 5 starter.

Then you turn around and flip Sheets before his arm falls off. Prince will cost $9 million per year anyway, LaPorta is "free". Milwaukee will need an ace to replace Sheets. CC, Gallardo and Parra is a good top 3.

I would say the dodgers. but i don't think they will sign him long term

What about Arizona? They're always willing to make a deal and their history of mid-season semi-collapse has got to have them concerned.

Mets? Seriously? Their farm system is a wasteland. Plus their rotation isn't really the problem, they need one, probably two bats

I'd like to see the Phils pick him up but it won't happen in all likelihood. Don't match up well, and would be wise to hang on to Carrasco, Golson, Cardenas. No shot they resign him in that ballpark when they won't go past 4 years on any pitcher. Now Bedard is another story, he may be worth two top prospects because you get him for 1.5 years.

Right now the Yankees are lukewarm...but all it takes is Hank to wake up on the wrong side of the bed. I could see him firing Cashman and then trading Hughes for CC

I suggested a trade on my blog that involves said Dodgers and Indians. See what you think, although I am skewing it a bit by adding a few players that would make it unbelieveble, but it worked in my baseball videogame, and of course, those are ALWAYS grounded in reality...

www.losangelesdodgersnews.com/svnarine

rossdfarian, the reason you prefer dealing an ace to another division, or preferably the other league isn't because of the head to head games.

It's because of playoff spots. Dealing in division makes it harder for you to win your division. Dealing to a different division in the same league makes it harder to win the wild card.

Dealing him to the other league strengthens your team (assuming you made a good team) and prevents the teams you compete for playoff spots against from improving.

You have to hold out for the most if you are going to entertain trading your ace. Remember, this guy is one of the top 5 starters in all of baseball, despite his bad start he has an ERA barely above 2 in his last 11 starts.

You would think that Kershaw, Broxton, Billingsley, Kemp, LaRoche, DeWitt, and Loney would be on the short list for sure.

Both LA teams would be on the short list to get it done- that is, if the Indians fall out of it- and they aren't even close to falling out of it yet. I'd hate to be Shapiro right now.

I'm pretty sure Kershaw and Billingsley are untouchable. Broxton and Laroche/Loney would be the most palatable way to make that trade if I'm running the Dodgers, which I most certainly am not. Trading Kemp (team RBI leader) would be a big hit to an offense that doesn't score many runs. Not to mention the defense you'd lose. If it's Loney who gets traded, Laroche slides over and becomes the starting 1B.

As of now, it looks like Penny will be all right with a little rest (we'll see). Lowe, Penny, Bills, Kuroda, Kershaw make a tough starting five. Schmidt is coming back who knows when, but he'll be given a chance to show what he's got before a trade for a frontline pitcher is made. Kuo and Park are in the bullpen. Kuo is fragile, but I have no idea why they don't give him another audition. McDonald and Meloan are in the minors. Honestly, the only reason the Dodgers make a trade for more starting pitching is to steal some of the future Lakers offseason press.

3-Way Blockbuster

Dodgers - Bronxton/Kemp
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Milwaukee - LaPorta
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Cleveland - CC
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Los Angeles
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One thing is certain. The Cubs have no chance. They couldn't muster a deal for B Roberts, a slap hitting 2nd baseman, they are inept.

The Cubs have a great chance. They could have easily gotten Roberts but didn't want to overpay for him. McFail wanted WAY too much. The Dodgers should be more focused on adding offense than pitching. They already have a pretty deep rotation. The Mets have no chance. The Red Sox could probably win the WS again without him. The Yankees won't do it according to this post. That leaves the Cubs. GET IT DONE, HENDRY.

Joe could you explain how the Cubs have a great chance? By giving up that "great" farm system of theirs?

“Every deal every cubs fan has suggested has been thinking of how to get cc with prospects and disregarding what the tribe actually want.”

…exactly…

"The Cubs have a great chance. They could have easily gotten Roberts but didn't want to overpay for him. McFail wanted WAY too much"

The O's last request was Gallagher + Veal + Cedeno + Ceda ~ thats not "WAY too much" at all for a top bat at a hard to fill position. Shoot, 3 of the 4 have lowered their value quite a bit while Gallagher is pitching about like people said he probably would ~ O’s probably wouldn’t even take said package any longer, meaning it would have been a bit of a steal for the Cubs…

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C.C. costs a lot to the Indians if they fail to get anything. We're talking about only 4 guaranteed months of service here. I think the Cubs have plenty of pieces to get CC. Gallagher, Hill, Ceda, and Cedeno would be a very nice haul for the Indians. Think about what teams are going to offer more.

1. fine
2. why not let him hit free agency and keep hughes? tribe is contending
3. beane is tough [to make deals with,] but he won't commit a murder felony
4. they are necessary fixtures in the rotation
5. Hank says what is on all of our minds
6. and that includes Phil
7. resign Giambi! just kidding, i think
8. long reliever? his repertoire is really better to start

Lots of ignorant Cub bashing once again in this thread. So tiresome.

The Cubs don't have anyone to offer that could help the Tribe next year? That's complete BS. Rip the Cubs prospects if you must, but one thing they are is ML-ready. In fact most of their best pieces have already played in the bigleagues (in no particular order: Cedeno, Hill, Gallagher, Marshall, Pie, Patterson, Hart, Murton).

"The O's last request was Gallagher + Veal + Cedeno + Ceda ~ thats not "WAY too much" at all for a top bat at a hard to fill position. Shoot, 3 of the 4 have lowered their value quite a bit"

Oh really. Cedeno's lowered his value by finally demonstrating an ability to hit ML pitching. Veal's lowered his value with a 2.82 ERA. Gallagher's lowered his value by holding his own in a ML rotation. Ceda's lowered his value while still being good enough to be promoted to AA.

Whatever bud.

Oh and that "hard to fill position" is currently being filled by a guy that just so happens to be out-OPSing Roberts. There goes that theory.

Here's how I'd handicap this thing.

First I'm ruling out all the AL teams for the reasons outlined above by yanksfan.

Next I'm giving priority to the teams with the best young MLers and/or prospects with the potential to make an immediate impact.

The Dodgers head that list. If they're willing to deal a Kemp, Loney, Billingsley, or Kershaw, then they won't be topped.

Milwaukee is probably next if a Parra or a LaPorta is on the table. Neither seems remotely likely IMO, but who knows.

The Tribe would have to be in love with Martinez for the Mets to stand a chance.

The DBacks are an interesting possibility but I don't see them dumping a bunch more young guys into another short-term pitching upgrade.

The Cubs have more quantity than quality, but they figure going to be as generous with it as anyone. They've got a great chance only if the real top top shelf guys from the other clubs aren't available.

Braves? Hard to get a handle on where they're headed, quite frankly.

Marlins? Can't imagine it.

Cards could be a possibility perhaps, if they're willing to offer a top guy or two.

“Oh really. Cedeno's lowered his value by finally demonstrating an ability to hit ML pitching.”
…Yeah, he hit ML hitting one week (April 19-27) ~ otherwise he has hit .236 / .320 / .278…

“Veal's lowered his value with a 2.82 ERA.”
…Nah, the ERA is luck ~ the 1.46 WHIP shows us that. Gotta love those 40 BB in 72 IP though…

“Gallagher's lowered his value by holding his own in a ML rotation.”
…Didn’t say he lowered his, said he is the one who met it…

“Ceda's lowered his value while still being good enough to be promoted to AA.”
…Did he get promoted today or something? Not sure why they would though, the 4.80 ERA, 1.27 WHIP and of course 28 BB, 4 HBP and 3 WP in 54 innings says that he probably shouldn’t have been promoted, if he was…

So to recap ~ yeah, really…

Don't forget were talking about a pitcher who is going to be a free agent and the Indians would rather get someting than nothing. This reminds me of a deal that sent Joe Carter and Mel Hall to the Indians for a pitcher who name escapes me.

…Lets see…

Veal, 2008 vs 2007:
improved IP per start ~~~ I know, I’m impressed ~ its up to a whole 5.14 now…
improved H/9 ~~~ Also impressive ~ from 8.7 /9 to a measly 8.2 /9…
improved BB/9 ~~~ I’m not sure this one really changes. I mean, 5.04 /9 to 4.95 /9 is about 1 BB less over 130 IP… But if that’s what you want to call it, its cool…
improved WHIP ~~~ nothing says figuring it out like a 1.46…
improved ERA ~~~ again, luck ~ everything above proves as much.
…And all of that in only his second run through AA…

“And gosh if I didn't realize that April 19-27 was National Stats-Don't-Count week.”
…Nah, I agree with ya ~ a guy has proven he can be counted on to hit like Beltran for a week and a three-legged llama otherwise is a true asset to have around…

Ceda’s on the fast track to being an overpowering two-pitch short reliever by refining his secondary stuff in A ball? And his 28 BB, 3 WP and 4 HBP is because he was refining his command? But I did want to point out that its not hard to strike a bunch of low-minors guys out when they realize you yourself have no clue where the 99MPH FB you are throwing will end up. Anyway, whatever…

Do want to ask though ~ why is it that only Cubs prospects hold all this value when they produce poor results? I mean, other teams prospects fall on their face and we hear about how worthless they are ~ Cubs prospects don’t do a thing though, and in every thread we hear they are these amazing prospects who can easily bring each and every star ever rumored to be available (or sometimes just on wish-lists). I’ve always been curious about that one…

…Hehehe. Hey buddy, I just wanted to point out that you seem to make quite a few posts after heavy nights of drinking. Commenting on someones spelling with that being the case might not be the best thing to do… Its one of those that stands a good chance of coming back to get you ~ ya know :)

And how the heck did we get two Zach’s on the site? Boy will that ever get confusing…

"Veal, 2008 vs 2007:
improved IP per start
improved H/9
improved BB/9
improved WHIP
improved ERA"

So Dark, you are really trying to say that all of this is true, but his value has dropped? Wow...

Gallagher has shown more at every level than your so called "3-5" types. He would be in your rotation tomorrow if he was involved in a trade for CC. Who do you have with more talent that is ML ready? None of them are top 100 prospects besides Miller, who isn't ready.

"Regardless, Cedeno still looks better than the trainwreck the Tribe is suffering through at 2B. (And so does Patterson. And so does Murton > the Gutierrez/Dellucci catastrophe.)"

All of this is true too. Nice job by the way Davearm...

The fact is that the Indians aren't nearly as stacked as you are acting like, being the homer that you are. Many of these pieces are ML ready better players than you have right now. Now they may get a better offer, but the Cubs could definitely put a package together that the Tribe could use. Delluci? Please...he is really a long term solution...

Delluci is hitting .228/.311/.404. You have already given 171 at bats to a guy putting up that crap. And you suggest to keep doing it?

Marte? .152/.204/.174 so far this year. Thats a .378 OPS!!!

Peralta? .235/.286/.421!!!Horrendous! Where are all these great ML ready prospects that you have?? You certainly aren't going to win putting out that crap. And you act like you couldn't use a prospect like Vitters, or a guy like Cedeno on that team??? Right....

Hahaha...you keep thinking the team has a chance when giving at bats to David Delluci and Andy Marte (whom you were touting as being a top 100 prospect this summer) who has a sub 400 OPS!

You are such a tribe homer its not even funny. Veal has increased his value, and its been shown to you blatently more than once here.

So we know Gallagher would be the best option if you got him to insert into your rotation, we can see that there is OBVIOUSLY some room to put Cedeno, with you pretty horrendous infield, not to mention the need for a good prospect like Vitters...and every team can use pitching prospects, and would love to have guys like Veal and Ceda.

The more you try and say nothing fits the more it seems your BS gets called.

"…Hehehe. Hey buddy, I just wanted to point out that you seem to make quite a few posts after heavy nights of drinking. Commenting on someones spelling with that being the case might not be the best thing to do… Its one of those that stands a good chance of coming back to get you ~ ya know :) "

Yeah, and I actually was a little buzzed last night while posting that, but man, that guy butchered almost every name in his post. Couldn't help myself.