Mets Fire Randolph, Peterson

Flying personnel out to California only to fire them the next day? What a total joke of an organization. Totally classless.

Minaya should have been the first one to go. He's the one who put that miserable club together. Randolph was trying to do the best he could with the garbage Minaya gave him.

This is probably sweet release for Willie. Hopefully he'll have the change to go to another organization where he will be appreciated and not expected to defecate gold.

This is the same argument any time a manager gets fired. Obviously the players are to blame, but you can't fire the players. A change had to be made. I wish Omar got the boot too, but better Willie than nobody at all.

"A change had to be made."

Make a trade. Bench a veteran. Hold mandatory practices. Make a change that MATTERS.

Willie is not why the Mets are playing mediocre baseball. He's not misusing the bullpen. He's not burning out his pitchers. He didn't ask Billy Wagner to blow 3 straight saves. This is just typical big organization BS of "doing something" to save face instead of doing something to win.

"Make a trade. Bench a veteran. Hold mandatory practices. Make a change that MATTERS."

Except for the make a trade part, aren't those the manager's jobs? Did he do any of those?

The way he got fired was crap, but something had to be done. Having Jerry Manuel take over, albeit he's a good manager from his track record, is pretty much like firing Randolph and then hiring him back again. Same kind of manager.

Bring back Bobby V! haha.

idk i mean manuel was a pretty damn good manager for 4 or 5 years so he could stick
and as far as making a move that might shock the guys into starting to play, why don't the mets go toronto on carlos delgado and just straight up release him
that might shock some guys into performing

Beltran has been mediocre offensively in CF?

He has a 374 OBP, a 481 SLG, and 9 SB while only being caught once.

How in the world is that mediocre? How many CF are better offensively this year? Three?

First of all, I will be the first to say that this is not completely Willie's fault. He takes some blame, certainly, but the players sealed Willies fate.

"Willie is not why the Mets are playing mediocre baseball. He's not misusing the bullpen. He's not burning out his pitchers."

Yes, he was burning the pitchers out, and yes, he was completely misusing the bullpen.

I think it should also be known that Omar Minaya did not in any way want to fire Willie. He was very emotional at the press conference and was tearing up a bit. He was also very quick to put the blame on himself as much as anybody for the underperformance so far (which I don't agree with). Omar was the guy who gave Willie his first job after 12 teams passed on him. He was also the only reason Willie even got a chance to manage in 2008, because Jeff Wilpon wanted him gone, this is no secret.

Now onto blaming Minaya for the roster. Okay, he has made some questionable moves, like re-signing Alou, which I wont second guess, it was an easy call to bring him back in my opinion, and is easy to question in hindsight. And as for Castillo, the 4 years could have been a mistake, but that is not an issue yet. Castillo has also not been nearly as bad as people like to make out.

But in the whole Minaya put together a team that every Vegas odds maker, expert, analyst, and writer said should run away with the division. How could he have forseen the underperformance of Wright, Beltran (to an extent), Delgado, Maine, Perez, the list goes on and on. Everybody is peforming below their career averages. How is this Minaya's fault? You all blame him for gutting the farm system, but most of you were ready to give the package we ended up giving plus Fernando Martinez to get Johan Santana, and none of you could give a crap about the farm system. I remember hearing things like...."Mets gaurnteed 100 wins!"
"Johan will win 26 games and strikeout 280 people in the NL!"

I remember stating the opinion that Santana was a bad idea because when it came time that there was a need for some reinforcements for injuries or to make a trade, the Mets would be in trouble and that the Mets should stear clear of Santana until he hit free agency. This was not a very popular opinion. In my opinion, Omar's biggest mistake of this offseason was acquiring Santana in the first place. There are two things to that though. One, I am pretty sure that after the collapse Omar was under pressure from ownership to get a Santana deal done once it appeared that a deal was possible, and two, everybody was thrilled with this trade.

Met fans are also very funny and hypocritical as a whole. They all want Willie dead, now he is dead, and they complain about the way he was killed.

In my opinion, this situation got much different this friday when it was leaked that the Mets were planning on firing Peterson, Nieto and Willie and replacing them with Aguayo, Warthen and Oberkfell, because before that it was just speculation and media driven, but once the entire plan comes out Willie has to know that something was up and it wasn't fair to leave him hanging. You can say they should have fired him on Saturday, which may be correct, but I genuinely believe that Omar wanted to keep Willie and was trying to give him every oppurtunity possible, while this idea wasn't shared by the majority of theMets brass.

Nick_Swisher for MVP, I only really skimmed over your post, but it is completely uniformed. Just though you should know that.

Willie is a class act, and I wish him the best, but the team was completely underperforming, there was a cloud hanging over the team because of the collapse, and also because of the 6 weeks of constant questioning regarding the managerial situation to the point where something just had to be done. The timing may have been wrong, but I think this has been incredibly overblown. He was fired at 11 PM real time, where he was, not 3 AM eastern time when the new yorkers got wind of it. Its as if people are mad that The Mets didn't fire Willieon their terms. He was fired upon arriving at the Hotel after a game. It is what it is. The real question is will it make any sort of difference.