Rosenthal's Latest: Sabathia, Blake, Greinke, Tejada

Adam Dunn for JP, Hu and Cash? Well...it'd be nice to have Dunn's bat, but now there isn't a lead-off guy; Pierre's 30 SBs are hard to replace.

I really don't trust Furcal to be 100% if and when he comes back. Not to mention, I'm not too in favor of giving him an even bigger contract after this season if he hasn't had a healthy season since 2006.

Now theory: If this does happen and Furcal is out, who leads off? Martin or Kemp? Martin has some speed but not as much as Kemp. Kemp is probably the fastest guy after Pierre, but he strikes out a ton.

anonymous GM?

I thought Bavasi got fired.

pierre and hu...for dunn.

40 homeruns a year, in the bank...for 0 in return. gosh..tough call here..bzzzt

Tejada to the Cardinals for Bryan Anderson and Jamie Garcia.

Hunter Pence is off limits. There would be a mob of crazy Houstonians who would tear down the Bagwell and Biggio statues and burn Minute Maid Park to the ground if Pence was traded. Drayton McLane is very conscience of the public's opinion.....

Though, I don't think Wandy Rodriguez is untouchable, trading him doesn't make much sense for the Astros. He's their best pitcher and I believe youngest. But, he would probably net the best return as he's probably the most under rated pitcher in baseball. Right now he's pitching as well as Johan.

I really can't see the Astros having a fire sale, but if they did I think the likely candidates to be traded are:

1. Tejada
2. Valverde
3. Oswalt
4. Lee
5. Brocail
6. Geary

I think those are the only guys with any value (Berkman won't be traded either...)

Adam Dunn is a base-clogger. You need someone who plays the game the right way, like Eckstein.

Posted by: redsforever | June 27, 2008 at 02:09 PM

^^ bro do not argue with ARodSucksAtLife, this guy knows everything, well at least he thinks he do.

hi my name is adam dunn, i played with a broken hand for a month, but i hate baseball.

i get on this site to read baseball news and see whats going on, but i hate when people act like they are some big sports writer who knows everything but maybe some little kid who's at home wating for Tim to post a topic

Why are the Rays in every trade talk.THey can't keep Sabathia.They can't afford 5 years nearly $20 million a year.You think Pena,Carwford ar gonna stay under $15 million.

And hey the Orioles in 2006 were 1st place in the division.The Rays got major promise but SAbathia ain't going to the Rays.And who wants to go in a crappy Brewers team.Unless they overpaid.

Doesn't anyone realize that ARodSucksAtLife was being completely sarcastic with his comment?

Oh, and that Dunn for Pierre trade proposal is ridiculous....

Finally, Casey Blake is a perfect fit for the Mets; he's old, slow, would probably play out of position, and most importantly, he sucks...

Not very well Land Man. :-/ But still holding out hope that after his surgery and rehab, since it sounds like he's doing much better and is in better shape, that he can still come back and contribute after the all-star break. If so, then while Pierre once again becomes (hopefully) the 4th man out, I don't see what Dunn would add to the equation except more outfield confusion. Yes, they need more power but...

Again, they have to see how Jones is doing in his road back. If he looks hopeless again, then Dunn would make more sense (as would getting rid of Pierre). I know Dusty loves JP but not sure the Reds' GM would. I do think Chin Lung Hu, despite his poor numbers this year, is still a great prospect and the Reds' could use more SS depth (and the Dodgers have Ivan De Jesus Jr in the minors, too), but still, I don't see that one happening.

If the Indians could get anything decent for Blake... Shipiro would be a genious.

Darin,
I think a lot of us could easily see Houston having a fire sale. However, and I'm sorry this is off-topic, but I think Houston would be smart to trade Berkman while he's hot.

Also, Juan Pierre and Hu for Dunn is ridiculous. Swapping power for speed. And, asschellis rightfully stated, the Reds DO already have a much cheaper version of Pierre on their roster: Norris Hooper. Juan Pierre is far too expensive and Hu is and never will be MLB ready.

why would the dodgers want dunn? i thought they signed andruw to fill the strikeout void in their lineup... and while hes been on the DL matt kemp has been doing a fine job keeping that up for him. imagine kemp, dunn, and jones as 3,4,5 in the lineup. could be 3 runs, but more likely three k's for most good closers.

How about the Delgado fella. Who says he is done? :)

Is Dunn a slam dunk Type A guy?

Reason I ask is Dunn's value goes up dramatically if he is a for sure Type A. If there is a chance that he is a type B Cinci will be limited in what they can ask for.

**** Please Tim tell us that TypeKey is getting updated soon. I was hoping that with the remodel TypeKey would improve. Alas it's the same ole system that forgets your logged in.

as for the trade thats just not happening unless la eats a lot of pierres salary. hes one of the most overpaid players in the game. also with keppinger and phillips i dont think cincy needs lu.

now someone said that the rays arent going to deplete their farm system for sabathia. they could trade quite a bit and still have moe young talent than almost any team. why not go for it?

and houston is not having a firesale. everyone inside and outside of houston knew the astros would be bad with that garbage rotation yet they still traded their farm for tejada. it made perfect sense to start rebuilding or at least do a halfway rebuild like the cards but they just couldnt do it. why would they change that mindset now when they easily could have taken that approach in the offseason?

"Dunn's bat, but now there isn't a lead-off guy; Pierre's 30 SBs are hard to replace."

Bat Martin lead off as he has 25/25 ability to go along with a great eye.

I actually like this idea, as it does address a lot of the Dodgers' concerns. Dunn's homers go out in any park and there are plenty of contact hitters in the lineup to make up for the high K totals.

"And hey the Orioles in 2006 were 1st place in the division."

What? The 70-92 Orioles were in 1st place?

They owned the #1 spot in the AL East for only 3 days, and the latest they had the lead in the season was on April 6.

This couldn't have been what you were talking about... could it?

I think there would definately be a market in Casey Blake. He plays 1B, 3B, and OF, and is hitting over .400 with over 40 RBIs this year with RISP.

u make a good point schell about hopper. hopper and pierre are very similar. switch ballparks and the steals would b very different. the dodgers run way more also because nobody on their team is really a power hitter.

as for getting kemp, u wish. maybe the reds should keep dunn for the picks but the dodgers arent going to give up kemp, end of story. the dodgers are dumb but not that dumb.

And BTW, the Red Sox have plenty of power hitters, but I see that Ellsbury is doing just fine getting his stolen bases. Good base stealers will get SBs no matter where they play or who they play for. Hopper may be at that level at some point, but he is nowhere near the level Juan Pierre is at right now

All these "baseball experts" say the brewers have enough talent to get CC, but what none of them know is that Doug Melvin said that he will NOT trade Laporta, Gamel or Escobar, for a rental from CC. The brewers have plenty of other lower level yet still extremely talented prospects, not named the three above. I think the brewers should trade for CC, because it could bring a lot of good things to this city.

Pierre to me has more value as a starter than as a 4th OF. Being a 4th OF essentially neutralizes the speed value that he DOES have. Pierre in the lineup with a consistent chance of turning a single/walk into a double by stealing a bag has much more value than if you cap him by only running him out there a couple of times a week. Juan Pierre with 60 SB is better than a Juan Pierre with maybe 20-30 in a part time role. I'm not making the argument that he's a great asset to a team. Just for what capacity he has most value. If I'm the Dodgers I run him everytime he's on.

His SB% for 2008 is right at 78%. That's up over his career 67% SB. He's pretty much pacing himself from last season.

"That's up over his career 67% SB"

and that means?

"Pierre to me has more value as a starter than as a 4th OF."

Really? Why?

That's why I said I wasn't making the argument that he was a great asset to the team. There's no Juan Pierre love as far as I'm concerned. My argument is that he is an even WORSE 4th outfielder.

A career stolen base percentage of 67% is horrid for a man withhis speed. He has been stealing more effectively the past few seasons though.

His arm is atrocious. I'd like to see a study of how much that hurts his value. He'd be much more attractive as a second basemen.

The only real argument that can be made for his value is that his speed on the bases can have a direct impact on winning games. Not stolen bases exclusively, but his ability to score by taking extra bases.

His OBP is at .330...not good for a National League team or for a leadoff hitter. There's no real knock on him other than that he has a ridiculous contract. It was crazy at the time.

Pierre would be most valuable playing LF for an American League team that has short fences in left. He could bat in the 9 hole. It wouldn't make him a better player, but it might make his weaknesses less revealing.

"Manny Ramirez has a lousy arm in LF."

That isn't true.

isn't pierre stealing bases at about an 80% rate this season? 5% above his career % of 75. as far as base stealing is concerned, that's just as effective as lou brock. we all know he can't throw, but you can't deny that he can steal bases.

"anyone who has a throwing arm like that in the outfield is not a winning player."

Johnny Damon is not a winning player? Barry Bonds is not a winning player? There are tons of guys with weak arms who are winning players. That is arbitrary and ridiculous as me saying players who drop down slightly side arm to make a throw across the infield during the 7th inning or later of home games are not winning players.

Manny Ramirez doesn't have a good arm. He has a pretty accurate arm and he usually has short throws to make from LF in fenway. Doesn't make him a bad fielder, like everybody says. He plays LF out in fenway wonderfully, which is obviously very hard to do.

Point is, I am sure people can come up with a list of plenty of guys with weak arms who were pretty good players.

The real wrath should be hoisted on the Dodgers for signing him to such a large contract in the first place.

Going way beyond what other teams were offering Andruw Jones wasn't too bright either. I'm surprised Coletti still has a job.

They would have to eat some serious money to deal Pierre. He needs togo to an AL team as the 9 hole hitter. Like darkstar1661 said, he needs to hit infront or behind a faster player.

He's not the optimal starting LF for a team, but he could be in a better situation than LA.

The Dunn-for-Pierre trade doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Dodgers already have four outfielders if you include Andruw, and that's a big if. But they're paying him big money, so once he gets off the DL, he's going to be playing. It seems like they would try to get rid of an outfielder and get something else instead of another outfielder. Unless they plan on trading Jones (yeah right, who wants him?), Ethier (stupid move), or Kemp (another stupid move), it doesn't seem like it would solve anything. And you can't move Dunn to first because Loney is there. No way this is getting done.