Reds Interested In Huston Street?

As a Reds fan I would do that deal

But are the A's one of Dunn's teams

Why would they want another closer?

Setup maybe?.... I just don't see a match...

I don't think the A's would want that, he doesn't really fit there need of right-handed power, simply because he is left-handed. Not to mention the obvious but the A's are cleary still in the rebuilding process, and as much as I'd like to see the A's trade Street for Jay Bruce we all know that isn't gonna happen. So maybe Juan Francisco, Chris Valika and Josh Roenicke for Street.

Well, the Reds pen has been one of their biggest problems for years. A Street/Cordero combo would give them more confidence. But if the A's initially wanted Votto or Bruce for Blanton, I don't see a deal happening.

It would certainly strengthen the bullpen considering a chunk of the Reds' bullpen will be free agents. More specifically Mike Lincoln, Jeremy Affeldt, Dave Weathers.

Maybe the idea would be to have a situation where it could go Burton/Bray-7th, Street-8th and Cordero-9th.

Dunn wouldn't work. A's wouldn't really have anywhere to play him except 1B, and they already have Dunn Lite (Cust).

A's would want prospects, and at this point, probably hitting prospects. Though it depends on if something happens with the Dodgers.

What do the Reds have in offensive prospects, primarily Short Stop and Third Base?

Adam Dunn seems like Billy Beane's perfect player... but why would the A's trade Street for a rental? They've thrown in the towel for this year, as shown by the Harden and Blanton trades.

There is no way that a Street for Dunn trade would happen. The A's have a ton of OF prospects, they need 2B/3B/SS prospects.

Besides, who wants 2 .230 hitters in the same lineup? They are both left handed no less...

I could see the A's going for Soto and/or Fraizer, two 3B/SS Prospects in low minors.

Soto and Frazier, until and if Alonso signs are the numbers 1 and 2 prospects in the organization

if the reds really are interested in street or a reliever in general (which i'm not convinced they are), how about edwin encarnacion in exchange? fills the a's need for a 3rd basemen.

"I don't think the A's would want that, he doesn't really fit there need of right-handed power, simply because he is left-handed."

"Besides, who wants 2 .230 hitters in the same lineup? They are both left handed no less..."

Remember, being left-handed is easier to get around than being right-handed, considering that most pitchers are right-handed. As for the average, Beane's heavy emphasis on Sabermetrics (for better or worse) suggests he wouldn't care so long as the OBP is high. Plus, Dunn is an even bigger power threat than Thomas at this point.

Encarnacion for Street?? Come on now....give Street a little more credit then that. I really doubt that this turns into anything considering the Reds are all but out of the playoff hunt, and in most scenarios would not want to give up prospects. Regardless of what # prospects Frazier/Soto are in the Reds organization, its going to take IF prospects to get a deal done. Street is one of Beanes last trade chips, and is likely going to want to add IF depth down on the farm. Take your pick out of Waring/Valaika/Soto/Frazier but I think it might take two of them to get a deal done.

no on dunn..enough low avg, k's, power from cust who i cant stand either

not sure a trade matches up but i'd take any of valaika, frazier, bailey, etc

Francisco, Valaika, and Roenicke sounds like a bit much, but not outside the realm of possibility. Frazier and Soto IS outside the realm of possibility. I doubt this happens (and it doesn't make a ton of sense for the Reds), but an idea that seems to drip with the mad genius of Billy Beane: Homer Bailey and Roenicke for Street.

Bailey's stock is down, but his stuff/talent is still tremendous. Beane gets him at a relative discount and picks up a second solid prospect (doesn't have to be Roenicke...maybe he could figure a way to pick up one of either Frazier or Francisco, which would just be...wow) just for good measure. I think such a package would appeal to Beane's sense of value, as Street's numbers have been down and Bailey was, as recently as this spring, considered one of the top arms in the minors.

I know I posed the same idea in the spring, but now I think it much more realistic: Sherrill and Ramon Hernandez for Bailey and Frazier. Sherrill is versatile enough to setup or close and, as a bonus, is a lefty (which the Reds don't seem to have out of the 'pen- Affeldt the lone exception) and Ramon gives the club a decent catcher known for working well with young pitchers (Spanish speaking young pitchers?) until Mesoraco is ready. The O's, naturally, would eat most of Ramon's salary. Just a thought.

"There is no way that a Street for Dunn trade would happen. The A's have a ton of OF prospects, they need 2B/3B/SS prospects."

Did I miss when a mass execution took place and the A's lost Adrian Cardenas and Jemile Weeks? Honestly, the last position they need is second.

Beane wouldn't want Dunn for his ability, he'd want the picks! 'member Ray Durham???

I don't see this at all.

Street is worth more than 2 picks at this point. If all Beane wants is the picks there are probably cheaper Type A guys out there.

I do think that Dunn is Beanes kind of player (sans his contract). Just don't see a fit at this point in the season.

milehigh,

looking back Francisco, Valika, and Roenicke is a bit steep, but I really would want Francisco in the deal, power hitting 3B, and someone who could stay at the position. A spot where we only have one legitimate prospect, Chris Carter, yeah he moved back in the beggining of the month.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2008/266539.html

But I'm still partial to Beane snapping Colby Rasmus away from the Cards.

Dont forget, the A's have enough left-handed bats, we need righies!!!

I have to say Tim, typekey truely sucks. You cn only post once before being forced to sign out.

If this does actually happen, who closes for the A's??

Casilla has been getting hit hard and Devine is still on the DL.

The Reds pen has been very good this year. With Cordero locked up already and a superior arm in Burton in the eighth inning (Street has been very ordinary the last couple of years I believe) it makes no sense for the Reds to trade their best offensive player for someone that really wouldn't help them.

If I were taking Street I wouldn't offer more then a non-top 5 prospect for him if even that.

Ari-
Carter may be at third at the moment, but I haven't heard anyone who thinks he'll stick at the hot corner. Though he's exceeded expectations somewhat, there are still major holes in every aspect of his game with the exception of his massive power. Obviously, Carter could continue to develop and eventually may become an elite MLB hitter, but even then, it's likely he'd do so at 1B or DH. More likely, he develops into a Jack Cust-type, minus the walks. Still...you never know.

This has all the sounds of a 3-Way Deal. Similar to the Dotel (OAK) - Beltran (HOU) - Teahan/Buck (KC) deal a couple years back.

White Sox / Mets / Brewers / Rays: Huston Street, Matt Murton

A's: 3B/SS + Low Level Prospect

Reds: Fill in the Blank

Houston Street to the Reds does make sense. And if they have Cordero and Street in the bullpen thats not the worst of combos. I see the deal involving Homer Bailey.

If the White Sox get involved I see Josh Fields or maybe Lance Broadway being in it.

Brewers who ever that A baller they have in their system.

Rays- Howell and others

Reds- Homer Bailey, or if the deal gets interesting Edwin Encarnacion. I know they have Hannahan and Chavez but Chavez is always injured and Hannahan could take over at 2B when Ellis leaves.

Dunn, Bailey and Encarnacion for Street, Embree, Buck and Braden.

Done/Deal.

"Dunn, Bailey and Encarnacion for Street, Embree, Buck and Braden."

I think this deal is a little one sided for Oakland. Encarnacion is a pretty good third baseman already and has shown flashes of some awesome power potential. Dunn is what he is, but then again what he is, is a 40 homer, .380 OBP strikeout machine. Thats still a pretty damn good player. And Bailey still has ace potential regardless of his struggles.

I'm just not quite sure that a good but struggling closer, a decent young OF, and two relievers is worth that. In fact I know that its not worth that. Maybe if you take one of those three players out of the deal and make it a 2 for 4 then it makes more sense.

So one of baseballs elite power hitters, a solid prospect and a no field solid bat 3B for a pair of ok relievers, a average OF and a 1B that lacks pop.

The Reds have a closer, they have a set up man, they have a couple more bullpen guys under contract that are effective, they have talent in the minors to round out the pen, they have Votto at 1B and just drafted a 1B that could come quickly. They could use Buck but not at that price.

If the Reds are dealing Bailey they need to bring back a impact SS, CF, 3B, or C in return. Rather see them extend Dunn then deal him. Trading him for parts that really aren't needed though would be a mistake.

If the Reds are dealing Bailey and EE I want Gonzalez and Cahill involved.

"If this does actually happen, who closes for the A's??"

The team hasn't had a save opportunity for a few weeks, I'm not sure the need will arise again this season.

In reality, Alan Embree collected 17 saves last year while Street was hurt. He actually had a higher save percentage than Street. A bullpen by commitee would seem to work with Brown, Casilla, Embree...maybe even Ziegler. Let the youngsters have a taste. I think Devine is the solution once he returns, but why not throw some of the youngsters into the fire?

Yeah I was dreaming/hoping Bailey's stock had fallen that badly, lol.

However apparently Reds fans hate Dunn so much they were saying a straight swap for Reggie Willits was a good idea, so my trade isnt -that- far fetched.

PS: If you hate the way 3 true outcome hitters hit, then you need to adjust your attitude.

"However apparently Reds fans hate Dunn so much they were saying a straight swap for Reggie Willits was a good idea, so my trade isnt -that- far fetched."

Well. No. It's not that you're trade isn't that far fetched, it's simply that the Willits/Dunn trade was equally as far fetched if not more.

Ya know what, if you're willing to give up a guy who'll give you one homer, a .350 OBP, and 50 steals, for a guy who'll give you 45 homers, a .385 OBP and 5 steals, then go right ahead. I'll enjoy my homers and walks and continue right on my way.

"PS: If you hate the way 3 true outcome hitters hit, then you need to adjust your attitude."

They may not be perfect, but the fact of the matter is that these guys essentially mash. Howard, Dunn, Thome, etc. These guys just produce homers and walks and strikeouts, but the fact of the matter is that these guys are still giving you huge production overall.

Holy Cow!

I was just looking at the numbers for Brad Ziegler and Jerry Blevins. Ziegler was strictly a starter through the 2006 season. For 2007-2008, he spent time at AA, AAA, and Oakland. Blevins has been a reliever since he turned pro. He came to Oakland from the Cubs in the Jason Kendall deal last year. He went from high A ball to Oakland last year, this year between AAA and Oakland.

Here are their combined stats for the past two years:

Ziegler: 88G 15W 3L 123.1 IP 10Sv 91H (0 HR) 26BB 91K 1.61ERA 0.95WHIP
Blevins: 94G 7W 8L 118.2 IP 20Sv 96H (7 HR) 28BB 144K 2.20ERA 1.04WHIP

Who the hell is Huston Street?

"If this does actually happen, who closes for the A's??"

Ziegler, till he comes back to earth, then Devine should be ready to come off the DL...

Alright can everyone just STOP! After these recent trades it is obvious Beane is going through with the full on re-building process, which is fine with me, so can we stop with all this non-sence about them getting Dunn, please? He's going to take prospects, I'll eat my hat if he does take Dunn, but I'm almost positive he won't.

Oh and Schellis, get real, Bailey and Encarnacion for Gonzalez and Cahill? Stop the crack smoking and go back to weed ;)

I'd have to agree that Dunn is pretty pointless for Oakland other than draft picks. I could really see Bailey being the centerpiece of a deal.

Travis Buck
Jack Hannahan
Houston Street
Dallas Braden
Rob Bowen
for
Homer Bailey
Edwin Encarnacion
Adam Dunn

Why Bowen?

As long the A's are in the playoff hunt, a Street-Dunn trade makes sense for the A's. I will not pretend to know what the Reds need or wants.

Dunn would provide the A's with the power that they have sorely been missing. And if the A's do not re-sign him, they will get the 2 1st round picks that Billy Beane loves.

Imagine a potential A's August lineup of:

Sweeney
Gonzalez
Dunn
Thomas
Chavez
Crosby
Cust
Suzuki
Ellis

"Travis Buck
Jack Hannahan
Houston Street
Dallas Braden
Rob Bowen
for
Homer Bailey
Edwin Encarnacion
Adam Dunn"

"Why Bowen?"

Why even propose this trade in general? It doesn't make sense. Even if it did its unrealistic because of the number of pieces in it

I think a trade with the Mets could make a lot of sense. It'll go something like the following...

Mets get: RHP Huston Street
Athletics get: LHP Jon Niese, RHP Joe Smith, OF/1B Nick Evans

I'm not sure that the Mets' best assets should be used to add a reliever over an outfielder.

If Street costs them the above mentioned package of Niese, Smith and Evans, then I think they should move on to see what it'd cost for Nady, Bay and Ibanez.

If they could land Nady with a possibly smaller package, or Bay will a bulked up version of that package, then they should pull the trigger.

If you watched last night's Mets game, you'd know Street was worth that package. With him, New York is in sole possession of first place, instead of lying in second after the worst loss of the year.

Last night was beautiful. I love seeing the high payroll teams fall flat on their faces.

""Sweeney
Gonzalez
Dunn
Thomas
Chavez
Crosby
Cust
Suzuki
Ellis"

I like that, but too many OF/DH, not enough 1B.

"If you watched last night's Mets game, you'd know Street was worth that package. With him, New York is in sole possession of first place, instead of lying in second after the worst loss of the year."

No, no I completely agree that Street would be worth that package. He'd give them a lockdown bullpen.

I'm just saying that I think for the Mets, as currently contructed, adding an impact outfield bat would be more valuable than a lockdown reliever.

The A's are woeful. Beane can be as smart as he wants, but as long as he keeps selling off players like they were fruit cakes, that team will never seriously contend. And it will be hard to be a fan.

How can one be a fan of the Oakland Athletics? You can't buy a jersey because you never know how long a player is gonna be there. You can't have a favorite player, for he'll be playing on the east coast a year after you get attached. The stadium's not that nice, and they don't have any big names on their squad. It must be tough, to say the least.

@scribbletone, the Mets need for an outfielder is grossly overstated. Contrary to popular belief, Ryan Church did NOT have post-concussion syndrome; rather, he had migraines, an ailment which he's suffered from his entire life. He's expected back for the Florida series next week. Endy Chavez, Fernando Tatis and Marlon Anderson can hold down the fort in left. I think the Mets need for a lockdown reliever is twice that of their need for an impact bat. Part of the Mets surge is thanks to the resurgence of Carlos Delgado, possibly the hottest hitter in the bigs. However, they lost last night and have lost several other games solely because of their bullpen. I might go as far as to say that Huston Street guarantees the Mets the NL East. That's probably not true, but it makes them the clear favorite and gives them a much better chance to win than they have right now.

Hey you know what though, metsobsessed, I just realized something..

The A's have Matt Murton.

There ya go.

Murton/Street for Niese, Smith, Evans, 4th prospect

Then the Mets get a more legitimate corner outfield option and their stud reliever, all essentially for the price of just an elite reliever.

"The A's are woeful. Beane can be as smart as he wants, but as long as he keeps selling off players like they were fruit cakes, that team will never seriously contend. And it will be hard to be a fan."

Since when is 3 games over .500, 5 games back in the wildcard considered "woeful".

Selling off players like they were fruit cakes seems a little far fetched. Don't even know where "fruit cakes" comes into the equation. Does anybody really buy fruit cakes. Every trade Billy Beane has made since the Hudson trade has been equal or in the A's favor.

"Seriously contend" was it not just in 2006 that the A's were in the ALCS. I think that is seriously contending.

It's not hard at all to be an A's fan. It great to root for the underdog. It must be really hard to be a fan of a team that spends so much money on players only to see them collapse at the end of the season.

as a reds fan i really dont think the dunn for street thing is even worth talking about and walt has said edwin is on his untouchables list. besides one bad month edwin has finally started to reach some potential reds fans have been waiting for. ( hit his 19th homerun today )

i could see a trade with prolly 2 of these guys

juan francisco
chris valaika
josh roenicke
sean henry
brandon warring

i dont think walt would trade soto or frazier

I didn't mean that the A's team was woeful, I meant that the organization was woeful, and pathetic. I also never said the Mets had a good front office. Everyone except Omar Minaya (who's a friggin genius for pulling off the Santana trade) is an idiot. But the A's need to learn to keep a core of studs together for more than two years at a time. They can't be that poor.

Scribbletone, I see that fourth prospect being a bat, probably Dan Murphy, who is a 3B/SS/2B prospect. So the trade ends up looking like this:

Mets get: RHP Huston Street, OF Matt Murton
Athletics get: LHP Jon Niese, RHP Joe Smith, IF Dan Murphy, OF/1B Nick Evans

A solid trade for both sides, imo (except the A's really shouldn't be trading Street at all). Thoughts?

I think three of "those guys" you mentioned will get it done.

Edit: the above comment is for redsfan. I certainly hope it doesn't happen, as a Met fan.

Jeez that Street/Murton trade could really help the Mets.. I really like that idea I'm not sure how else the Mets can maximize their talent, because really they don't just need a reliever or an outfielder, they could really use both..

The A's philosophy of trading off players before they become to expensive has worked for the better part of decade.

"They can't be that poor."

You must have never been to Oakland. The Coliseum is the worse stadium in the league. I would almost guarantee that 90% of all AAA ballparks are better than the Coliseum. Attendance is always low even when the A's are in contention. There is hardly any money coming in from radio and television, I know this from personal experience. The only corporate sponsorship comes from the Silicon Valley compnay that want the A's to move there. Its just not the Bay Area, all of Nor Cal has been up the Giants and Barry Bonds ass for the past 15 years. So yeah, the A's are that poor.

So the A's don't have any fans? I'm telling you, it's rough. I admire guys like you who stick it out. And I bet that Shea is a thousand times worse than the Colosseum. Except we have a near-sellout every night...

I wonder what the chances of that Street/Murton deal actually happening are. Probably next to none, considering the Mets aren't picking up an aging, Latin player. Manny Ramirez is much more likely at this point. ;)

I have been to Shea and I have to tell you that you couldn't be more wrong. Shea is a Palace compared to the Coliseum.

There are plenty of A's fans. Oakland is just a small market. If I am not mistaken, there are a quite a few more people in New York then in Oakland.

By the way, the Mets have 1 more win then the A's have. Pretty good for a $137 million team compared to a $47 million dollar team. Not to mention of the $47 million dollar the Blue Jays are playing close to $12 million of it.

Jolstad, you sound like a knowledgeable A's fan. How would you take a trade involving Street/Murton for Niese/Smith/Murphy/Evans?

wow...i really wish that i had caught this trade sooner.

from a reds perspective...these 3 top 10 prospect trades are bull...why bother trying...

bailey isn't untouchable, but he won't be moved for street...especially not with anyone else

jocketty named edwin as untouchable and lately has been hitting adam dunn esque homeruns...on a somewhat regular basis.

Francisco is doing incredible and certainly won't be in any 3 person deals. (same for Valaika)...maybe either and a low ceiling pitcher...but nothing more.

The Reds won't give up anything to get Street, and I don't think Mr. Jocketty will be meeting up with Mr. Beane anytime soon after he got fleeced intensely in the Haren trade. No way Cincy gets him. It's the Mets, White Sox, and Brewers, in that order.

metsobsessed,

will you please stop harping on my team? As jolstad said, we're the ones with a 47 million dollar payroll and are just one game worse then your team that has a 137 million dollar payroll. And about Beane never keeping guys around, in case you don't understand the point of a rebuild, it's to acquire players to keep for a while. That's why he's traded for all this young talent.

Despite what everyone in the media says, and what all of the A's fans here are so is so obviously true, the A's are not rebuilding.

They traded Harden for Gallagher et al. Harden is still a huge injury risk. They might be better off this season with Gallagher.

They traded statistically their 5th best starter for prospects. That starter commanded little trade value to rebuilding teams. Meanwhile, Beane has stockpiled promising prospect, and can now go after a bat (Jason Bay).

"Despite what everyone in the media says, and what all of the A's fans here are so is so obviously true, the A's are not rebuilding."

Aw, c'mon. Don't be stubborn.

I mean they only traded Dan Haren, Nick Swisher, Rich Harden, Marco Scutaro, Joe Blanton, Chad Gaudin and last summer, Jason Kendall.

And in return they've gotten a massive set of young players to set themselves up for the future.

I call that rebuilding, its just rebuilding thats being done exceptionally well.

#1 - Minaya and Beane talk a lot, but I get the sense that Minaya doesn't want to be the victim of a Beane "F'n-A Trade:

#2 - There is no way the A's trade prospects for Jason Bay.

#3 - A's are not winning anything this year.

#4 - The A's real payroll is at around 37M

#5 - This quote, "The A's are woeful. Beane can be as smart as he wants, but as long as he keeps selling off players like they were fruit cakes, that team will never seriously contend. And it will be hard to be a fan# - metsobsessed

...says everything about a Big Market / Bandwagon Team like New York. Is it supposed to be easy, metsobsessed????

Oakland A's - AL West Champions 2010 - 2015

know ID yuh- One player, say, Jason Bay, won't fix the A's offensive woes for '08. The A's aren't winning anything in '08. Bay is signed through '09. '09 will probably be a year where the A's are on the fringe because the guys in the minors are just coming up and beginning to work themselves out in the majors. If Bay were signed through 2010, it might be considered.

And, that "might be considered" is bearing an extremely slim chance of anything actually happening.

And, that "might be considered" is bearing an extremely slim chance of anything actually happening.