Abreu Wants At Least Three Years

I apologize to anyone who feels I argued to adamantly about Cano's value. I just think this new era of stats like obp, Eqa and VORP are overused. Secondly, I'm sick of people who think Cano is washed up and a bum because he had one "off" year. I've played sports and I think it's silly to focus on one year and dismiss the production from other years. That's cool if you want to argue about wether a guy earned his paycheck this year but it hardly evalautes his total worth, value or prjects his entire future. Now if he slumps again and ends up hitting .260 next year with little power or your beloved obp then maybe we need to look towards a replacement. It's even worse because it's so called Yankees fans who say most of that stuff.

Living outside of NY the last few years allows me to see things from outside looking in and I just really started to understand why some players may not want to come to NY. If a guy has 3 all-star caliber years but then has one "bad" year or isn't focused on the field then we're much more likely to run him out of town rather than to see if the manager, coaches, etc can help this player turn things around. We've become a team seeking instant gratfication. Prospect doesn't win 18 games and ROY let's trade him and sign the next big FA. 26 yr old 2B had an off year? Trade him and sign the 31 yr old FA to a four year deal. It's silly. Players DO have a responsibility to perform and live up to expectations but what happens if CC is signed and goes 15-10 w/ a 3.80 era? is Cash's signing a failure? Were the redsox calling Thee a failure this year because Beckett fell far from his 07 numbers?

We all want to win every year but we have to temper that drive with some sensibility. I'm not making excuses for players under performing, especially with a 200 million payroll. But these are not machines. Whoever signs Tex or CC should expect and off year at some point during the span of whatever contract they sign him too. I'm just frustarted....my bad...I need a hug. LOL

Over 200 posts in this thread. About 100 of them from YankeeFansince88, the other 100 posts by various people explaining how wrong he is. But hey, I guess he is right and the other 30 people are wrong.

And whats the deal with you keep on saying..."All I am trying to say is .....", when that is clearly not all you were trying to say. Just be a man, admit your wrong. Or don't, and continue to post nonsense and look foolish.

These new stats aren't so much overused as they are different from what you are used to. They more accurately evaluate a player. Just because they don't take things like RBI or batting average into heavy account doesn't mean they're wrong, nor does it mean they're overused.

I also don't remember anyone saying that Cano was washed up or a bum. All that was said was he had a bad year, and that he isn't the hitter that his numbers showed in 2006. I went thru and showed that he was unlucky this year, and that he isn't a .271 hitter, but he also isn't the hitter you continue to assert he is. He is a solid hitter for his position.

nrmax:

Different people use different means of evalutating a player. Therefor, everyone's choice is an informed opinion. If I have a different opinion than others than so be it.

Some experts felt it was a good idea to go to war in Iraq. Others had a different opinio.

When you talk about player evaluation it's all subjective and depends on what you value in a hitter. Do you mean to tell me that EVERY baseball fan or expert rely on OBP, Eqa and VORP? I bet you most people don't even know what Eqa and VORP mean.

gatling:

There were several people who said , on this board and in others that Cano was washed up and should be traded. I didn't say you said it, but I've read and spoken to numerous people who have. And most feel that trading Cano and signing Hudson would be a good move. I disagree. Cool? Cool?

Sabathia seems to want to play on the West Coast and to stay in the NL. I also think he probably doesn't want to deal with the NY media, but he's just not saying that. Burnett is almost as big of an injury risk as Sheets, but Burnett will cost more because he stayed healthy all year and Sheets didn't. I'd gamble on Smoltz or Sheets with a lower base salary and lots of incentives over paying Burnett $15M+ a year. Lowe has proven he can handle the AL East, and he's not an injury risk of any sort based on history. Perez is too inconsistent and walks too many guys to get by in the AL East. He's going to command probably $15M or so too, he's not worth the investment.

Ok cool. i assume that you mean if CC were willing to sign then you would be ok with the deal?

I just think that Sheets and Smoltz are bad picks. Wasn't Smolt out with an arm injry this year? As for Lowe, he could be a decent pick but he's 35 yrs old and moving back to the AL after being gone for 4 years. We can't assume that he will be the same pitcher. If CC or Burnett couldn't be signed then that would be a sad day for us because we desperately need a #1 starter. Mussina or Pettite should be brought back. one or the other. If we sign #1 then I would pass on Lowe and go with

#1
Wang
Mussina or pettite
Joba
Hughes

why are we still discusing this? if you feel Cust is better than so be it.

Why are we still discussing it? Why can't you just show what metrics you're using to form you "opinion"? If you're not using anything other than batting average or you incorrect strikeout theory, than you have an uninformed opinion, and it is indeed wrong. If there are some other stats that I'm overlooking that support your stance, why won't you share them? Because you don't have evidence to support your claim, you've got an uninformed opinion that is incorrect, but you can't bring yourself to admit after a day of this that you're wrong.

Ok, one last comment I hope. Cano is fine, he has the potential to be a valuable player because of the position he plays. An .800 OPS 2nd baseman is far more valuable than an .800 OPS LF or DH. I never, ever, ever said that Cano sucks. I started this off by saying that Cano is not a 2 or 3 hitter, which you opined earlier. I also never, ever, ever said that OBP and OBP alone determines who is the better player. BUT, many experts (not Joe Morgan) will say it is the most important number in the the AVG/OBP/SLG line.

And if it is dorky to look at all of the metrics devised by Bill James and the like to evaluate how good a player is, then I would rather be a dork than be a dinosaur like yourself and look at AVG, RBI, and Runs scored.

I'm with yanksfansince78 how is Cust better then Cano?
Cano,25, .271 14 HR 71 RBI .305 OBP .410 SLG

Cust,29, .231 77 RBI .375 OPB .476 SLG

Cano is younger and had almost as many RBIs as Cust has a better average then hom too. So other guy you have no arguement.

"ugh, I give up."

The funny part is that he posted the reasons why Cust is better in the post where he said he wasn't. Its like trying to teach monkeys to read.