Latest On Peavy

The Mitchell report didn't seem to hurt people's stock in FA and that was with actual steroid use. Also, Schafer hit for more power after the suspension so I think that points to the fact that HGH isn't the reason he's good.

ESPN.com just reported this news. LOL

I believe Frank Wren will get this done quickly.

I understand all the concerns about his arm strains and such but the fact is he came back from that injury and had a pretty good season

2.86 era in june
2.12 era in july
2.77 era in august
only month he struggled was september with a 4.05 era

also looking at his splits for the last few years the only concern Frank Wren should have is Peavy's struggles against the Yankees and the Red Sox other than that the guy is solid.

People talk about his delivery but i see nothing overly violent or strenuous about it. you have players that have a more fluid delivery on the DL Just as much if not more than Jake.

I stated in the other post that Frank Wren will get it done quickly just to send a message to anyone else he wants to sign that they braves are truly serious about 2009 and being a competitor. Thereby making everyone who wants to be on a competitive team less hesitant to sign with the Braves.

Alot of people talk about the Braves offense not being strong next season but if we just add that one consistent power bat behind chipper then it will all be alright.

you would have a decent amount of power between chipper, mac, and whoever they sign. Not to mention if Frenchy hits a little better. thats basically 4 Solid Hitters with good power potential. all you need everyone else to do is smack some singles/doubles and run the bases.

put that with a strong rotation and the Braves can and will compete.

With the Padres wanting two Pitchers and a CF i could see this getting done ASAP

Hanson
Reyes/Morton
Shafer
or instead of Shafer Lillibridge and B. Jones

BTW while we are talking about the Braves needing a Right Handed OF, anyone know the status of Matt Holliday? what do the Rockies need/want.

Only reason i ask is cause on MLB 08 the show the Braves team i use automatically traded for Holliday and i just thought it was kinda . . . amazing.

I think that if the Braves trade for Peavy, they would need to invest a lot into the next few years to make it worth it. I think Pat Burrell would be a move they should make if they get Peavy. A three year deal at $16M per year, and he will provide 30 HRs, a .370 OBP (at least) and 25-30 2Bs and will bring him into his age 34 season. I also think a change in RF is necessary, no team can/should tolerate a .294 OBP from a regular. Perhaps Abreu on a 2, maybe 3 year deal.

I wasnt saying just trade for Holliday for a year. i was thinking do what the mets did with Santana and trade for him with a extension worked out

redsfan, I would expect the Padres to ask for a young shortstop from Cincinnati, so I would be shocked if the package didn't include either Valaika or Frazier.

id add valaika in the deal if it got it done

lotzkar - 18 year old sp prospect

homer bailey

chris valika

drew stubbs

for

peavy

i heard they may be lookin at a 2b for future. how about mcdonald, dewitt and delwon young. they get a good, young pitcher, a second/third baseman who needs playing time and expierence. possibly trade/sign a 2b(hudson). i think both teams would be happy. i put delwon young cause they want a outfielder, and he has NO chance of playing on the dodegrs for while

and Kevin Towers might be an idiot but hopefully he not dumb enough to trade within the league especially to such a young power-house like the dodgers they would haunt the pads for years. With this that is why the trade to the Braves is more likely than to LA

SD-Brain i agree with a trade in the division especially the Dodgers. But your idea of Blanks playing 3rd is a no go. He is limited to 1st.

I am shocked by the the idea of a CF thou, I would think SS is a greater need. I still think it important to point out the idea Paul said in his blog thou:
"presumably some player(s) we would get in return could be of service for more than five years"
Meaning they are looking for players not with major service time.

Melky is terrible. Noone in the league wants him. I don't think Kennedy is a good enough prospect to be one of 3 pieces in a deal for Peavy.

"Bumgarner, Schierholtz, Cain and Sanchez for Peavy and Kouzmanoff sound fair?"

No. Not even close to fair. Cain is almost nearly as valuable as Peavy straight up. He's not as good a pitcher, but he's younger and far cheaper. To think that the Giants would add their best pitching prospect (one of the 5-10 best in all of baseball), another good young lefty SP with 2/3 ceiling in Sanchez and a solid young OF in Schierholtz is simply mad.

And Kevin Kouzmanoff isn't worth much. I know that 23 HR and 84 RBI looks all nice and fun, but his defense is awful and that .299 OBP does nothing to make up for it. Unless he can find some plate discipline he'll continue to not be terribly productive.

First off, Colton, if the Padres are going to trade Peavy to the yanks, you are right the yanks do have the goods for peavy....If you replace melky with austin jackson and then include him with kennedy and peavy.

I agree with the folks who think that the dodgers,braves, yanks, and angels have the best shot of getting peavy. The dodgers,yanks and angels have it going for them that they have the near-major league talent to go out and get the deal done. HOWEVER, the difference between those three and the braves is that the braves may have more available options to choose from, so therefore the braves may have the best chance of landing peavy.

What I mean by that is that the yanks, dodgers, and angels do have the talent....however, the talent they have to offer may not be as available because that talent already means to each to each of these 3 teams because the talent is mlb ready. For Example, Kemp and Kershaw are exactly what San diego would love, but these two already are relied upon alot in the dodgers immediate plans. Same for Austin Jackson and Phil hughes for the yanks, and same for Adenhart for the Angels. The reason the braves may have an upper hand is because they have a potential surplus in what the padres want. Say the braves trade Schafer, Hanson, Locke/Roghbrough, and Flowers for Peavy. Our OF prospects still have Heyward, Gorkys Hernandez, and Sumoza. While our pitching does take a hit, we have peavy at 27 and Jurrjens at 23 to head our staff for the next five seasons, and have Locke, Wallace, and a lot of other young talent in our system. flowers is nothing but trade bait anyway because of the presence of mccann.

Now, am i saying my Schafer, Hanson, Locke/Rorhbrough, Flowers offer would get peavy, no i am not. My point is that you could mix and match 10 or 12 young players out of the braves system THAT MEET THE CRITERA THE PADRES WANT IN THE BOUNTY FOR PEAVY and get peavy while also maintaining a pretty decent farm system. This is the reason the braves are probably in the best position to get peavy. They have the most options to choose from in terms of young players that meet the wants of the padres if they were to trade peavy, and because of having the most players to choose from, the braves will still have enough quantity and quality in the farm system to give up such a big package to get what they want.

Scribbletone: Normally you are a very good soruce of info, not o this case thou. Kouz gets that defense crap cause of his rep. and he was terrible last year (2007) but he worked on his game in the offseason and it showed.

2008 numbers:
FP: .974 (3rd in majors)
RF: 2.64 (8th in majors)
ZR: .768 (13th in majors)

Is he the best defeneder of the hot corner, no, but he is a better than league average.

If the Dodgers were to get in it, they would probably have to give up Lu, Elarton, McDonald, and Ethier/Kemp. Yeah yeah, I know throwing Ethier/Kemp in there would be too much, but they will have to offer a similar package to get Towers to bite. They are in the same division, so I think the asking price would be a little higher for the Dodgers

there is no way that Lu, Elarton, McDonald and kemp/ethier. if they take those 3, w/ mcdonald mlb ready(could be in rotation at start of next yr.), then they get a delwon young type of player. someone who can hit and has patience, but needs playing time to get better. u cant get better by watching kemp, ethier and manny play. also they could switch lu/elarton for dewitt and they sign blake and hudson

Ehhh....

I am pretty sure that hughes, kennedy, and austin jackson would be a great starting point for the yanks, except for two reasons....

1. I think it would take one more decent lower level prospect for towers to bite.....and 2. I just think the yanks hold to much value in hughes and jackson as being big parts of the yanks into the next decade.

Plus, Peavy probably wouldn't approve a trade to NY.

Any chance the Yankees can keep Jackson. I see them keeping him no matter what.

How about Cabrera/Gardner, Hughes, Kennedy and Melancon?

So Sanchez, Cain & Schierholtz for Peavy alone a good deal? Pads get their 2 quality starters, Giants lose a guy who is currently their 4th OF (but should be starting).

Then if they want to get really creative (and insanely awesome) sign Sabathia so the rotation is now Peavy-Sabathia-Lincecum-Zito-Lowry/Correia-->Bumbarner.

Then they sign a FA 1B and head to the playoffs

reds could actually fill those needs very easily. i don't think that it would be the right move for the reds...but they could certainly fit that. A package something like

Johnny Cueto
Ramon Ramirez and
Drew Stubbs

if they would work something out to bring in greene for little extra this could be an interesting move for the reds.

Peavy
Harang
Volquez
Arroyo
Owings

C-hannigan ___________ (maybe varitek)
1B- Votto
2B- Phillips
SS- Greene
3B- Edwin
LF- _____________ (Jocketty's top priority for the offseason...RH impact power bat)
CF- Dickerson/Freel/Hairston?
RF- Bruce

That could be a team to compete next year...

i know you could put jackson in center and gardner in left. but then where are you going to put Jeter? we all know his future is in the outfield.

I just think braves should trade Hanson, Johnson, Jones, jo-jo, and lillibredge...
I think Charlie Morton is going to be a solid #2 pitcher later on if he can get some control...remember him pitching against the brewers and angels this year, and in minors he hasnt given up a homerun, and posted an era of 2.00

And for Heyward, we need to keep this big fella.

w. castillo
j. vitters
t. thomas
t. colvin
j smardzja

tell me that wouldn't get it done

Hanson, Infante, Jones, jo-jo, and lillibredge

how bout infante, how come no one mentions him? I think Prado is a better player then Infante.

I dont think Padres fan would appreciate it if they dont receive either Hanson or Heyward....
But since Heywards not gonna go anywhere, that leaves hanson.

I wanted to get my head around this, judging the value of Peavy compared to Haren. The value of Haren compared to Peavy can be disputed by anyone, thats not my point, I am only giving you an idea of what the cost of Haren was in terms of Prospects.

BP (Jan 31 2008)

26. Carlos Gonzalez, of
50. Brett Anderson, lhp,
99. Chris Carter, 1b

BA (2008)
22. Carlos Gonzalez, of
36. Brett Anderson, lhp

I know there has been a lot of discussions about if Peavy is worth that haul, but in all honesty thats the price of a top of the rotation arm, and remember there were 3 extra throw ins as well.

I believe that Braves fans are right about Heyward not being including. That said, i think a deal would be something like two top 50 prospects and 2-3 other pieces (that have little to no service time , since we want to get them for 5 plus years).

That pretty much what we are looking for would be my guess.

i actually really like the idea of signing perez... I wonder how much he would cost...
righty, lefty rotation would be pretty nice. man if hudson comes back near end of season...
thats a solid 1-4 starters there. Hope Peavy joins up with the braves.

Yeah I forgot about the year KJ got injured after finally making the big leagues so he's probably out.

As for a deal not involving both Schafer and Hanson, what about something like a package of Hanson, Gorkys Hernandez, Rohrbough, Brandon Jones/Lillibridge, any pitcher not named Jair, and maybe one more player? Seems like a comparable haul to what the A's got for Haren.

I love these discussions. The hometown bias is undeniable. SD fans (like myself) obviously think highly of Peavy, and think he's worth a whole farm system, and other teams' fans look at their prospects and all see the next MVPs in the making.

Basically, most of you have seen Peavy pitch perhaps 3 times in your life, and are going off his stats for the rest of his appraisal. Let's just say that you guys aren't in the best place to make an honest evaluation of his skills.

We, on the other hand, are discussing prospects we have never seen play, or never even heard of sometimes. We then have to turn to stats and/or your opinions to get hyped about them. Let's just say we're not in the best place to judge them.

And in either case, most of use are just regular guys who know a little about baseball, but how many of us actually have enough skill/knowledge to truly appreciate what these players are worth? I mean, Greg Maddux says Peavy is one of the best he's ever seen. Maddux is a guy that's been around for a while,who has seen/mentored a lot of pitchers in his life, and would seem like a credible source on pitching. Wouldn't that opinion be worth more than any of ours?

Now that we have that out of the way, let's look at some basic facts.

One: stats don't tell the whole story. You can look at home vs. away, year after year, etc... but in the end, what really matters is can Peavy win games for you more often than not on the road and at home, and the answer would seem to be yes. In fact, last year, he was better than anyone else in the NL to do so, and he got an award for it.

Second: the importance of Petco is relative. Petco isn't the only pitcher-friendly park out there. Unless Peavy gets traded to to Colorado or Texas, who's to say he won't adapt to pitch in his new home?Alongside that, you try to pitch half your starts in a place where your own team can't even score, and then try to win games. Peavy will be a different pitcher with an offense consistently scoring runs and taking a little pressure off him. Right now, Jake knows that if he gives up 2 runs, there's a good chance SD loses. You're telling me that doesn't affect the way he pitches and skew his stats somewhat?

Three: Jake's value is really high, and it will take a monster offer to pry him away (obvious, but read on). He's good, young, under team control for cheap (which, contrary to what some of you believe, is REALLY important), and super popular with fans. If SD trades him, you'll at least want two guys who can slot in the rotation soon (one right away), meaning TOP pitching prospects. On top of that, an outfielder who can hit and defend. Remember, last season, Jake was one of the only reasons people went to Petco at all. You take that away, and the front office is looking at a riot, unless you can defend the trade by making it look like they stole someone and made them look silly. Which is why this trade will only appeal to teams ready to win in 2009 who are only one pitcher away from playoff contention.

Four: aside from maybe Sabathia, there is not other available pitcher in 09 who can have the effect Peavy will have on a rotation. And Peavy will be a much cheaper option.

Five: This trade doesn't NEED to happen. People are saying SD is rebuilding, and Moores is getting divorced, and all that. It's like people read one quote and make a story out of it. The NL West is MLB's worst division. The difference between last and first is maybe 2-3 players. Just because SD finished last doesn't mean they're that far from playoff contention. Towers knows that. He's got players to build around (Gonzalez, Young, Bell, Kouzmanoff, Giles, Gerut, Headley, Hundley, and hopefully Greene bouncing back) and some prospects (Geer, LeBlanc, Antonelli) who are getting closer. If this young group comes together, he needs maybe 2 pitchers and a bat, and we're OK for the NL West. We never had a shot beyond that anyways. Second, just because Towers is getting divorced doesn't mean it has to be a firesale. That divorce may well put SD in his ex-wife's hands, who is a huge fan and ready to invest in the team. Second, even if they were looking to cut pyrol, Peavy is worth 11 million this year, and with all the departures (Bard, Barrett, Maddux...), SD is already way down on payroll. They can easily keep him another year and do this in 2010. Which goes back to the fact that this trade only makes sense for a team contenting right now.

Six: prospects are just that: it means you think they have a real shot at being great, but there is no guarantee. We all tend to get high on our own prospects, but can anyone right now bet his life that both Hanson and Heyward (not trying to pick on you specifically Braves fans, just using the names that seem to come up the most) will both be great? I mean, we all have stories about big time prospects not panning out. Peavy is a top 5 pitcher. What's a top prospect? a guy that has a shot at a Cy Young. Jake ALREADY has that. So it would take the prospect and then some to make it worth it, and offset the risk implied and the time it will take for the prospect to develop. This is just common sense. Alongside that, how many have actually seen those guys play? How much of their status is just hype from the front office? It make sense for them to hype prospects, rather than saying "Yep, we screwed ourselves yet again in the draft...". Minor league stats have some value, but this goes back to point one. Stats don't tell the whole story. They help, but they're no guarantee.

Sorry for the long post. I'm not looking to act as an "expert" here, most of this is common sense and is reflected in some posts, but some posters just don't seem to consider all the implications of a trade, such as its effects on a fan base, the alternatives, and so on.

cubs get: peavy

pads get: Marshall, ceda, vitters, colvin, theriot, guzman, pie, dubin, and maybe 1 player to be named later after this season so they can have 1 of are best minor leaguers

angels get: derek lee

angels give padres: Jordan Walden, Hank Conger,and another low level prospect.

i know its a lot and stuff and if it came done to it i probally wouldnt, but if you think about it the cubs are bilt for 2 more years.

the players leaveing withing the text 2 seasons:

rich harden
mark derosa
derek lee
ted lilly
jason marquez
more that i cant think right now

thats potentially one of the best picters in baseballe (harden) a 17 game winner, an innings \eater and very good down the stretch, and probally 2, and 3rd best hitters on are team.

so just maybe we would need this, b/c we haven't won with are core, and maybe its that 1 electrifying player

My guess is that with the Astros, any discussion would start with Pence. However, not sure how Peavy makes them an instant contender... so not sure how smart that deal is from Hoouston's side.

not talking about 4 top 100 prospects down at the bottom.

most common offer by fans
Hanson<--At worst top 10 pitching prospect, after this season
Johnson<--Already a major league
proven hitter
Jo-Jo<--Major league ready, just needs some break in
Jones<--At worst top 50 Outfielder prospect
Lillibridge<--major league ready shortstop

Whoa, I can't believe how many people on here freaked out on Michael M. Actually I can't believe I read all 166 comments. But seriously, I know that Cubs fans are known to put some crazy deals on the table but the think you have to understand about Cubs fans is they don’t see any of their players as loose change. They are loyal to a fault and they truly believe that their team is so much more exceptional than any others and to part with any of them is doing a great favor to the other team. The other thing worth bringing up is that crazy deals are made all the time and the Cubs' Jim Hendry has been part of a few so nothing is impossible. Patterson, Murton and Gallagher for Rich Harden AND Chad Gaudin? And lastly, chill out. This is a trade rumors message board. You are not a general manager and will never be a general manager. If you get that upset over hypothetical trade, lay off the caffeine.

I won't debate names, we all love to play armchair gm, but damn don't you guys realize that you have to trade top prospects to get frontline pitching?

braves fans throwing out offers that consist of "anyone but hanson, freeman or heyward," must not have seen what less valuable pitchers (in the trade market) brought in return.

If Peavy goes it's hard to imagine Towers settling for whatever junk some team tosses his way.

"Anyone ever thought about the Giants? They have plenty of CF-types and young pitching. Bumgarner, Schierholtz, Cain and Sanchez for Peavy and Kouzmanoff sound fair?"

No, but then again, you aren't getting Matt Cain from me straight up for Peavy.

And I still say the Braves can hammer this thing out without giving up Schafer, Hanson or Heyward. a G. Hernandez, Locke, Rohrbough, Prado/Johnson, Morton/Reyes, Luis Sumoza could easily get it done. The Braves can justgive KT about 10 names to pick 5 to 7 guys out of, depending on the names. I think KT would rather have a bunch of above average producers on his team with a lot of service time then one real big name prospect anyway. He can turn them into draft picks and prospects down the road.

"Keep me signed into TypeKey for 2 weeks"

KEEP ME SIGNED INTO TYPEKEY FOR 2 MINUTES IS MORE LIKE IT!

"haha.. yea i keep having to sign in even though iam signed in here"

Maybe the site just doesn't want you to post your garbage. Since reading comprehension is obviously an issue for you (the schools these days must be getting worse, because a surprisingly huge number of MLBTR posters do not know how to comrehend what they read).

I just listed like 10 guys that they could use in a deal without using any of the big 3. Do you want me to spell it out for you? Oh, wait! I already did spell it out for you! And you still don't understand.

"I just listed like 10 guys that they could use in a deal without using any of the big 3. Do you want me to spell it out for you? Oh, wait! I already did spell it out for you! And you still don't understand."

You're a genius, every time I read your posts I'm shocked you don't have a job in a front office, maybe it's the air of superiority I dunno.

I take that back nrmax i read it as a entire list.

dyaf96, don't quit your day job. and i'm going out on a limb and guessing that it has nothing to do with comedy.

haha my bad dyaf96 i read ur description of corky miller and the others and its def a joke lol

well if Corky Miller is a young Johnny Bench then him and Greg Norton should get the deal rolling;)

"You're a genius, every time I read your posts I'm shocked you don't have a job in a front office, maybe it's the air of superiority I dunno."

Um ok. If you proposed a trade of say guy A and guy B for guy C, and I respond to you by saying........" Are you serious? You could never get guy C without using guy A and guy B, wouldn't you snap back at me by telling me that is precisely what you just said?

I love when people say.... yeah if you were so smart, you would be in a major league office? Really? I am sure there are guys outside of baseball offices that know a good deal about baseball. Just like there are people who aren't politicians but they know a lot about politics. The fact that I am not an executive in a major league organization is not a valid arguement on any topic.