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Offseason Outlook: New York Yankees

Next up in our Offseason Outlook series, the Yankees. Their likely 2009 commitments:

C - Jorge Posada - $13.1MM
C - Jose Molina - $2MM
1B -
2B - Robinson Cano - $6MM
SS - Derek Jeter - $20MM
3B - Alex Rodriguez - $32MM
IF - Wilson Betemit - $1.165MM+
IF - Cody Ransom - $400K
LF - Johnny Damon - $13MM
CF - Brett Gardner - $400K
RF - Xavier Nady - $3.35MM+
OF - Melky Cabrera - $462K
DH - Hideki Matsui - $13MM

SP - Chien-Ming Wang - $4MM+
SP - Joba Chamberlain - $400K
SP - Phil Hughes - $407K
SP - Ian Kennedy - $400K
SP - Alfredo Aceves - $400K

RP - Mariano Rivera - $15MM
RP - Damaso Marte - $6MM club option ($250K buyout)
RP - Brian Bruney - $725K+
RP - Jose Veras - $400K
RP - Edwar Ramirez - $400K
RP - Phil Coke - $400K
RP - Mark Melancon - $400K

Buyouts: Jason Giambi - $5MM, Carl Pavano - $1.95MM

Other commitments: Andrew Brackman - $1.1375MM, Juan Miranda - $400K

The Yankees are a bit over $140MM before arbitration raises to Betemit, Nady, Wang, and Bruney.  Maybe after those they're near $150MM for current players (if Marte's option is exercised).  Will the Yankees really slash payroll all the way to the $180MM range?  Brian Cashman would still be able to add $30MM in '09 salaries, but it wouldn't surprise anyone if he has more than that.

Jon Heyman says the Yankees want to sign two free agent starters out of C.C. Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, and Derek Lowe.  If they land their top target, Sabathia, then Lowe seems more likely than Burnett.  It'd be an '09 rotation with Hughes, Kennedy, and others battling for one spot.  If Mike Mussina or Andy Pettitte can be re-signed, Joba can slot in fifth and get extra days off.  Depth would be excellent, but signing three starters, each for $12MM or more, could eat up most of the spending money.

The two other much-discussed holes are first base and center field.  Cashman has spoken about wanting a regular first baseman as opposed to shuttling in Posada, Damon, and Matsui.  Possibly available regulars at first base: Mark Teixeira, Prince Fielder, Adam LaRoche, Mike Jacobs, and Hank Blalock.  The list could expand in coming months.  I do not see the Yanks trading Hughes for Fielder, if some permutation of that deal is available.

If the Yankees somehow sign Sabathia, Teixeira, and another starter, they'll be looking fantastic for 2009.  It could be done if payroll is in the $200-210MM range again.  Sure, Cano should be better, Matsui and Posada hopefully healthy.  But Abreu could be replaced with Nady and Giambi seems gone.  Tex would add stability, though he has to be seen as a luxury. 

The market for center fielders, whether via free agency or trade, is poor.  It makes sense to see if one of the internal options emerges as a tolerable regular (Gardner, Cabrera, Austin Jackson).  As alluded to earlier, Abreu will probably be offered arbitration, decline, and sign elsewhere (leaving Nady as the right fielder).

The pen doesn't seem like a major need; Marte on the equivalent of a one-year, $5.75MM deal is reasonable.  Joe at River Ave. Blues tells me Melancon is likely to snag a spot. 

Bottom line: it looks like most of the money will be spent on starting pitching, but Teixeira would sure look nice in pinstripes.


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John Lackey,Justin Duchscherer, Erik Bedard, Brett Myers, and Todd Wellemeyer are all free agents in 2010. Id rather sign one out of this free agent class.

Colton:

Why avoid CC who is the best pitcher available and MAY or MAY Not develop arm trouble and instead sign two pitchers who you KNOW have/have had arm trouble? Sheets should be crossed off of the Yanks list. We can not afford to sign a guy with a history of recent arm trouble like Sheets. If he ended up on the DL that would be Jaret Wright all over again. I gave Cashman a pass on the Pavano signing because he had a couple of healthy years prior to being signed. Sheets was injured at the end of last year and I guarant the only reason why he struggled thru the year was because he didn't want to mess up his free agent year.

We need to try and sign dominant, young pitchers who can throw innings and strike out a guy when he has to. That short list includes:

CC
Burnett
Oliver Perez

To me Lowe, in the AL, is going to give you the same thing that Pettite and Mussina would give you but for more years and money.

Giambi can't hit? What part of a .876 OPS don't you get? He gets on base and hits with power. Sure, the average isn't what you'd like, but I'll take .370-380 OBP over an empty .300 average any day.

Strikeouts? Since when did a high strikeout rate make you a bad hitter? Here are players that struck out more often per AB than Giambi. I guess they're not good either?

Pena, Howard, Dunn, Thome, Hawpe, Longoria, Ludwick, MILTON BRADLEY, Burrell, Kemp, BJ Upton, Giovani Soto, Alex Gordon...

Like it or not, Giambi is a good hitter. His OPS ranks 3rd among DHs. What's to complain about it? He'd come relatively cheaply ($8-10M?), on a short comittment (1 year + an option?).

Yes, I agree that the Yankees probably will not re-sign him. I'm only talking about what they SHOULD do.

Please no comments about his defense. I don't know what more I can say to make it clear that I only advocate signing him as a DH.

"Gatling ... I had Lowe confused with someone else. My post was ignorant, not stupid. Speaking of stupid ... defending the addition of a 36 year old pitcher who is prone to giving up HRs is not exactly smart.
The Yankees should let this guy go and be 13 and 12 with some other team."

rossdfarian,

I'm guessing that the pitcher you're speaking of again is Derek Lowe. Call it ignorance, call it stupidity, call it whatever you want, but you did it again. Derek Lowe is not HR prone by any means. His career HR/9 rate is .72, a very good number. If you want to throw out the NL numbers, and focus on his time as a SP in the AL East, it was .65, an even better number. Lowe doesn't give up many HR's because he generates 3 times as many groundballs as he does flyballs. That's a pitcher you can use, as long as you have a solid defense behind him, which I would classify the Yanks as.

So he's not injury prone(like Burnett or Sheets) and he doesn't give up a ton of HR's(like Oliver Perez). I'd totally say the Sabathia is a better signing than Lowe, but I don't anyone who I'd consider putting ahead of Lowe besides CC. If the age scares you off that's fine, but that's the only real part of your argument that can hold water.

BTW, I agree with you completely on Garland, someone is going to be awfully sorry after they sign him.

What the hell is an empty .300? Who cares how he gets his obp? I'll take a .300 hitter who strikes out less than 60x over a guy who hits sub .250 and strikes out over 100x. Please stop!! Giambi is a good hitter but the biggest problem last year w/ our offense was that we were an all or nothing line up. Either we hit a 3 run homer or we struck out and left runners on base. There are obivously better options at 1st. The only reason why Giambi started last year was because we had him under contract and couldn't move him @ $22 million.

Again, Giambi might be a good hitter but he's not what we need. I'd take a .290 hitter with 20 hrs happily.

"To me Lowe, in the AL, is going to give you the same thing that Pettite and Mussina would give you but for more years and money."

Not sure how you figure that, since Lowe is a completely different type of pitcher than either Moose or Andy. He gets almost 3 times as many GB's as Moose and more 1.5 times as many as Pettitte. The way a guy pitches is more important than lumping him in with other older pitchers.

gatling:

The outcome is basically the same. I'm not referring to how many groundballs vs flyouts or hrs allowed. It's doubtfull that he's going to put up numbers considerably better than either one at age 36. That coupled with the fact that he would get a 3 or 4 year deal at 12-15 per makes him an unattractive sign IMO. In his last 2 years in the AL his era was 4.47 and 5.42 and that was in 03 and 04. I can see either Mussina or Pettite posting up 13-15 wins with an era around 4.50 and 180-200 innings. So why not resign one of them for a 1 year deal w/ an option instead of Lowe for 4 years and 48-60 million? If we sign a #1 (CC, Burnett) then we would have the other 4 slots filled with # 2 Wang, #3 Pettite or Mussina, #4 Joba and #5 Hughes with Kennedy, Sanchez, etc waiting in the wings.

FACT: the yankees were 7 games out of the playoffs without major contributions from wang posada and matsui.
FACT: darrell rasner and sidney "snacks pontoon" ponson started 2/5th our games this season. You substitute wang and sabbathia (hopefully) for ponson and rasner and IMO thats a 7 or 8 game swing right there. Take into account that with the addition of tex(again hopefully) we will have a proficient 1b against tough lefties as opposed to some combination of betemit, ransom, sexon or whoever.With the addition of cc and tex i think that easily puts us in the thick of it come next september.

A Few things:

Not a chance in hell will Giambi return in pinstripes. His OPS and OBP mean nothing when you factor in his avg w/risp and terrible avg in general.

He'd be okay at DH but no chance Matsui get's traded. If anyone thinks that we'de get 2-3 middle prospects for a very old DH that's injury prone with 1 year left on his contract... think again. Therefore, Matsui clearly stays as DH and eliminates any chance of Giambi returning.

Also, I agree that we should not trade or sign any old dudes to play CF, and it should be between Brett and Melky. But I think it clearly goes to Brett. Little G doesn't ground into DP's, runs like the wind, takes better routes to balls, and has a more patient eye. No chance Melky starts over Brett.

No chance Abreu returns, we will take his 2 picks and draft the next joba and hughes gladly. Nady will play a decent RF and almost cover Abreu's stats (lower avg tho)

Cano is going absolutely nowhere, not when his value is lowest, he'll be fine.

The Yankees really need to push hard for CC and Tex, the only two huge needs for the Yankees.

You have to resign Pettite or Moose (75-25 pettitte-moose chances of returning). They'd put up same numbers as Lowe and Garland and cost way less years and less money.

The bullpen stays the same, i really could care less about marte - buyout or pick up doesn't matter - he can't pitch whole innings he's only a lefty specialist look at his splits.

That leaves the rotation:
CC
Wang
Pettite
Hughes
Joba

Joba cannot reach 200 innings so slotting his in the 5th spot means you can skip him about 5-10 times during the year so he doesn't blow out his arm.

You cannot start him in the pen and switch to rotation, because this year showed it's a disaster. If he gets injured it screws his next year's innings limit up and you start from square one.

Also, if you guys think Molina, Betemit, Ransom, MElky is a good bench, that's terrible. We need to look into signing 1-2 solid backups like Blake or Willie Bloomquist for experience.

Also people that are slotting Aceves and Coke into the rotation - numbers in september do not always translate because once batters have your tape and numbers- they get used to you and rock you. AKA kennedy, veras, edwar, rasner... etc

Over and Out

An empty .300 hitter is someone who hits .300 and never walks, resulting in a ~.330 OBP. Pierre comes to mind.

You're exactly right - it doesn't matter where he gets his OBP. And Giambi's is about .380, which is excellent. Are you trying to make my point for me? I'm confused.

I'll try to keep it simple. Strikeouts are bad, but not that bad. A player with a .380 OBP, 100 strikeouts, and a .250 batting average is significantly better than a player with a .340 OBP, 60 strikeouts, and a .300 batting average.

What stat do you like? WPA? Giambi ranked 17th in the AL.

By any measure except for average and strikeouts (both relatively meaningless anyway), he's extremely valuable.

You keep talking about strikeouts but didn't address my previous point about hitters that struck out more often than he did. I take it you wouldn't want Longoria, Bradley, etc. on the team either because they strike out too much?

giambi's walks really mean nothing because he's almost as slow as molina- it takes 2-3 hits to get him home from first base so that kinda cancels out.

YanksFan: That's the reason I stated an incentive-laden deal with Sheets.

I personally do not believe Sabathia will dominate in the AL East. I don't think we should be throwing money at him for as many years as he wants. Maybe if we can get him to a 5 year deal at a little more each year, that would be all right. I'd much prefer the Yanks secure Tex and get Lowe and Burnett -- both of whom are great pitchers -- than just get CC and possibly Tex.

78,

I think Lowe would be much better than Pettitte, as I think the Pettitte you'd get is the 5+ ERA and 1.50+ WHIP version you saw after the break. I won't argue Moose vs. Lowe, as I think they'd be fairly close, but because of Lowe's huge advantage in GB's, I think he's the safer bet. I'd also say the Yankees need both Lowe and Moose next year.

Bobo,

You must have missed the great OBP debate a week or so ago with 78. This will only end with you banging you head against your keyboard. Trust me, first hand account here.

Gatling - haha, yeah. Haven't been around much lately; now I'm remembering why.

Dude....I can't believe we're having this discussion. Strike outs don't matter? It does when you've got runners on base and the guy can't even put the ball in play or when he does he hits to some exageratted shift the infield is in.

And by the way:

Bradley hit .321

Ludwick .299

Kemp .290 w/ 38 dbls and 35 steals

Soto .285 and is a 26 yr old catcher

Howard led the world in hrs and rbis

Dunn hit 40 hrs

Hawpe hit .283

Upton hit .273 with 44 steals

Longoria hit .272 and is a 23 yr old rookie

And I could care less about Thome.

So everyone on this list either had a higher bavg than Giambi or were multi-dimensional. So exactly what is your point?

Again, Giambi might be a good hitter but we dont need him back in 09.

Look gatling and bobo:

I'm not debating whether or not walks or obp are important. What I am saying that if all Giambi is bringing to the table is a high obp because he walks then I'll pass. Period. If you disagree than so be it. But that speaks to all of you people who get caught up in stats like obp w/o taking into consideration other factors. Furthermore, the issue wasn't whether or not he was a good hitter it was whether or not he should be resigned by the Yanks as a DH. And my response and opinion were that he shouldn't. In comparison I'd rather bring back Abreu who also has a high obp but brings other offensive capabilities to the team (hits for avg and is a more complete hitter). So assuming you can read english and have cognetive skills to comprehend my statement..bite it.

Gatling:

We can all have our opinion but you're cherry picking stats with Lowe. Which is the real Lowe the one pitching now in the NL or the one who had a 5.00 era back in 03 and 04 when he was in the AL? The safer bet is to go with what you know (Mussina or Pettite) for one year until a) your younger pitchers develop or b) you go after one of the 2010 FA pitchers and continue to build

Starting pitchers
Josh Beckett - $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Erik Bedard
Justin Duchscherer
Rich Harden
Tim Hudson - $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
John Lackey
Cliff Lee - $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Brett Myers
Brandon Webb - $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout
Todd Wellemeyer

Ok, just so we're clear - you are supporting your argument that a high average is more important than a high OBP by listing hitters with good batting averages.

I do understand that if you were a fan since 78 you were brought up with a certain way of thinking: BA, HR, RBI, SB = good, everything else = who cares. It's not really your fault - during that time, that kind of thinking was prevalent. But if you're reading this blog, you have to at least be open to the idea that getting on base is the most important thing a player can do.


jjyankeesfan2,

Great post. Please copy and paste that plan into an email and get it over to Cashman.

All kidding aside, I'm not sure if all those deals could be pulled off or if the Yankees would even what to, but that is a team I would have confidence in going into opening day.

Good ideas my man.

gatling ...
If you like Derek Lowe so much why don't you (you know the rest).
I would pay Mussina $20mil before I paid Lowe one red cent.
He is not the type of talent on which we need to focus.
Remember, we're trying to get younger. Burnett's a yes ... Lowe's a no!

Colton:

CC pitched his entire career in the AL prior to being sent to the brews so he's pitched against all of our AL opponents. Here's his lifetime breakdown against Al east teams.

Bosox-7 starts- 2-4 3.94

Rays-11 starts- 7-1 2.44

Toronto-10 starts- 7-3 3.49

B'more-9 starts- 5-0 2.39

YankfanSince78

I think your the only one who agrees with me that the Yankees should wait to get a second starter in 2010.

I can't believe I'm going to do this, but here we go. I didn't say a word about Giambi, I merely told bobo not to go down the same path I'm trudging down right now.

I don't know how many times it has to be said, but NO ONE is using just OBP to say that Giambi was good this year, and would be helpful to the Yankees. NO ONE. Bobo has already thrown out WPA, but here are some more numbers. Giambi was 2nd on the Yankees and 8th in the AL in HR's, and there wasn't anyone close to him at 2nd place on the team either. He was 13th in the AL in SLG%. He was 13th in OPS.

Do those numbers work? Or not, because they don't back you up? Just curious.

Also, well you cant count the Rays cause they sucked all this time until this year. I dont think sabathia pitched against them this year. (Im so frickin happy they're kicken the Red Sox ass)

BTW

Why is everybody talking about Giambi? Hes an average hitter and he isnt going to be signed because hes old. Enough.

So Burnett, who has pitched 200 innings or more 3 times in 8 years and has a huge injury history is a better bet for big money than a guy who hasn't been on the DL in his career?

Yeah, go for youth and injury risk. Works for me.

As for waiting until 2010, that's a fine idea, but I don't think half of those guys will be on the market for you to sign(Webb, Myers, Beckett, Lackey), or worth signing(Duchscherer, Wellemeyer). Good luck with that.

gatling

Harden and Duchscherer wouldnt be bad ideas. When Harden is healthy he is nasty. He was 10-2 this year with a 2.00 Era.
If Duchscherer could have another good year he would be legit. Id rather have one of them than Lowe.

Gatling - sorry for roping you back into it :)

So hard not to though. But I'm done (for tonight, at least).

Yankfan1 - he's average, ok. By what metric is he average, exactly?

And why does having an old DH matter?

Any chance that if the Yankees miss out on Teixeira, they make a Hideki Matsui or Johnny Damon trade for Derrek Lee?

Cubs need a left handed bat in their lineup and I suppose Damon could play a decent center.

I believe the salaries are pretty close.

I would rather see the Yankees priorities as Sabathia first and then Tex.

-Sabathia
-Wang
-Mussina
-Pettitte
-Hughes

Joba back as setup where he belongs, Kennedy in the 'pen as long reliever until he is needed to start (looking at the Yankees the past 2-3 years, they'll likely go through a lot of starters)

This is, of course, assuming you have both Mussina and Pettitte coming back. If only one comes back, either Kennedy or Joba start. I'm a big fan of having Joba setting up Mo for the next year or two until he inherits the job. I don't yet trust Veras/Ramirez/Bruney in the 8th.

Losing Giambi, the Yankees need a legitimate bat to protect A-Rod. Tex does that as well as upgrades the defense at 1st. Two birds with one stone.

bobo:

wow...is this what were doing again? I feel like I'm talking to bill o'riely and my words are being twisted.

bobo wrote: "Strikeouts? Since when did a high strikeout rate make you a bad hitter? Here are players that struck out more often per AB than Giambi. I guess they're not good either?

Pena, Howard, Dunn, Thome, Hawpe, Longoria, Ludwick, MILTON BRADLEY, Burrell, Kemp, BJ Upton, Giovani Soto, Alex Gordon...".

_____________

I was making the point that Giambi wasn't that great of a hitter. You made a point of listing hitters with similar obp but who also sruck out over 100x. I made a point that while they do have high obp's and DO strike out they also have other dimensions and asthetics to their games.

i.e- Milton Bradley does have a high obp and so over 100x but he also hits for avg (.321) where Giambi doesn't (.250)

Ryan Howard does strike out more than Giambi 199x and has a similar obp due to lots of walks, but he also hits tons more hrs and rbis than Giambi does. So you can show me as many examples of good hitters that also have high obp's but strike out a lot but MOST of them also had other dimesnions to their offesive output than Giambi did.

And for the 3rd time. The arguement wasn't so much whether or not Giambi was a good hitter or not but whether or not the Yanks should bring him back. Due to his age, lack of a position, fragility, need to DH AND is a one dimesnional hitter, I think we should pass on him on the 2nd time around.

And to add, I'd rather have a hitter like for ex. a Maglio Ordonez who doesn't walk (only 53) but has a high obp and bavg (.376 and .317) because he can hit his way on to a base (178) as opposed to a guy like Giambi who walks (a lot more , 76 , +23) but strikes out even more (111, 35 more) and can't hit a lick .250 bavg.

Giambi is an all or nothing hitter and I think there are better options out there for us.

THAT IS MY POINT.

Not that Giambi is a bad hitter. But he's not as great as you all make him out to be...OBP alone doesn't make you a great hitter. Otherwise Jack Cust would be one hell of a player (111 walks, 197 strike outs and a .231 bavg).

As an A's fan, I know more than enough about Harden and Duke. The concern with Duke right now is his hip. Is it going to be ok or is it possibly career threatening? Can't say I'd want to bank on him being ok next year and then feel comfortable signing him after that.

Harden has a worse injury history than Burnett. When the guy is healthy, he's one of the three or four best pitchers in the game. He's just never been healthy. Do you realize the 148 innings he threw this year is the second highest total in his big league career? I just don't see throwing such big money at such a risky guy as a good gamble, but whatever you think is the best for you team, more power to you.

After looking at all these proposals, it looks like Smartalec's is the most realistic. I agree that the Yankees won't get CC. He seems to want to prefer the NL, and it doesn't sound like his family wants to move anywhere. The Dodgers will probably nab him.

Not sure if the Yankees really need Ohman, but I guess another lefty would add versatility and wouldn't hurt.

TimeToGetReal,

I have to agree with you. That is the most realistic plan, although I wouldn't want to pay Burnett $18M a year.

Jack Cust IS a good player. Not a hell of a player, but a good one (as a DH - if he has to play the field, his value takes a big hit).

The point of listing those hitters was to prove that players that strike out a lot could be valuable. And clearly you agree. So good, we're past that. We agree that a lot of strikeouts doesn't preclude a player from being good.

Now, of course I'd prefer Magglio or Giambi - who wouldn't? And yes, given two hitters with a .370 OBP, the one with the higher average is more valuable, because a hit is worth more than a walk. BUT NOT THAT MUCH MORE. Furthermore, batting average is very luck-dependent and volatile. Ordonez went from a .363 average to a .317. Did he suddenly become a worse hitter? Of course not. On-base ability is more predictable.


"Giambi is an all or nothing hitter" - but he's not! Specifically because he walks so much! He gets on base. Baserunners score runs. Can it be any simpler?


Again - for a DH, why does his age matter - who would you prefer to DH? "Lack of a position", "need to DH" - last time I checked, these weren't exactly negative qualities for a DH :) And, in a pinch, he can be passable at 1B. He's not as much of a liability as some DH-types who are stuck in the OF (eg. Cust, Manny) are.


I'm fine with disagreeing - OBP alone DOES make you a great hitter. Any hitter that gets on base 40% of the time is great, period. It doesn't matter if he doesn't get a single hit all season.

WOW those starters for 2010 look really really good if the Yankees are smart they only sign CC bring back Pettitte or Mussina and then add a pitcher in 2010 like an Erik Bedard, Rich Harden, or Justin Deuchscherer, all young pitchers that would be dominant 1-2-3-4
2010
CC
???
JOBA
WANG
HUGHES

I'm not sold 100% on Burnett but I do know that with the arms that the Redsox, Rays and Jays have (if they retain Burnett) there's no way the Yanks could hope to compete with out a top #1 starter. I'm not saying we "settle" for 3rd and 4th tier pitchers but we need to go with something better. Sheets, is a no go. His arm is going to fall off any day now and I think he pitched thru the season trying to cash in for his first FA year. I don't know how people can assume that Lowe will be as productive as he is now in the AL when he had a 5.00 era the last 2 years he pitched in the AL and that was 4 years ago. Did he suddenly become a better quality pitcher or is becasue of the generally weaker NL hitting? Where's the strong evidence or reason why he will be that good next year in the AL? And if you say he's an inning eater then for that why not go with Mussina and Pettite for less money and less years and see what develops? At least with CC and Burnett they have a history of success in the AL. I have no problems going "all in" with CC. It's only money and he's the best. If he ends up on the DL then , hey, it's insured right. We have to aim high this off season. But if he's healthy then we have an ace for the next 5 to 7 years from ages 28 to 35

bobo:

sigh...the reason why Giambi would be a problem as a DH , for the Yanks is that we have a very old team and players such as Damon, matsui, Posada, Arod and jeter under contract who will need to be rested or spelled as DH's throughout the season. We need to obtain a full time 1B, which means either Giambi DH's or he sits. meanwhile, we have Matsui who is now w/o an outfield position (Damon, Melky/Gardner, Abrue and Nady will take all the OF spots). We need to have more flexibility and barring injuries Giambi will not be able to get much playing time. I;d rather not committ 10 million for a bench player. There are bette options for us to replace his bat. Simply being healthy would provide us w/ better options.

Now if this were a different time or if we were a different team then Giambi would be a good fit. Also, between Posada, Matsui, Arod, Abre we have other guys who strike out a lot and I would love to see more of a contact hitter somewhere in the #5-7 spot, especially when we're going up against the power/control pitchers out there that have dominated us. The Yanks are great against junk ball pitchers because we're so patient but fold up against pitchers that can take it to us with their power.

THink of a Paul O'neil type. 20 hrs, .285 bavg, 35 dbls, less than 100 strike outs. That's the kind of hitter I would love them to find, if not Texeira.

Soto is 25 and going to be rookie of the year Giambi is a old fart that smells really bad like old cheese and dead lightning bugs

1. CC Sabathia **
2. Chien-Ming Wang
3. AJ Burnett **
4. Derek Lowe
5. Mussina or Pettite (if both- only get Lowe OR Burnett)

CL Rivera
RP Joba
RP Bruney
RP Marté **
RP Coke
RP Veras
RP Ramirez

OF Damon
OF Nady
OF Abreu **
OF Manny Ramirez **
OF Gardner
SS Jeter
3B A-Rod
2B Cano
1B Teixeira **
ULT Betemit
C Posada
C Molina
DH Matsui

LINEUP

CF Damon
SS Jeter
DH/LF Manny
3B A-Rod
1B Teixeira
RF Abreu
DH/LF Matsui
C Posada
2B Cano

While I think they might try to slowly take down their payroll, it's unlikely they go for only 180M in 09.

Personally I'd just shoot big for Teix and CC and Manny Ramirez if he agrees to a deal.

obviously, Teix and CC are the biggest factor. particularly Teix. there is actually sound reasons to NOT sign Sabathia (though a ton of sound reasons to sign him as well)

a general thought

Catching: the Yankees NEED Posada to catch if only for the fact that the replacement option are between horrible to beyond horrible. running numbers reveal that the single most damaging event to the Yankees this year was the loss of Jorge Posada, which was about a 3 win loss in the span he was out . yes he can go out again but that's simply something that the Yankees need to cross their fingers with.

1B: Teix is a abosalute must plan A. failing to land him will cause a lot of problems.

2B: selling low on your one and only good upside young position player? rightttt.

SS-3B : no point talking here.

OF: The Yankees' best option might be to stick Johnny D in center and pray for the best here. he's unlikely to produce at a 08 level next year. but likely to produce at a average to above average CF level. signing another corner seems warrented given Matsui's knees. if money were no objective then Manny Ramirez might fit the bill the best even considering all the downsides.

Xavier Nady is their best trade Candidate this winter, any time you have a corner position guy in thier late 20s early 30s suddenly have a huge year and has always landed on the DL. trading is usually selling high.


Earlier I commented on the hole at firstbase and a little on their pitching. Now, i will finish up on the rest of their problems. Say that the Yankees do sign Sabathia and find a solution for 1st base. The next point of weakness is center field. Do the Yankees have good enough options to get by in 2009? Yes. But unless you're in the NL West, getting by isnt good enough to make it to the playoffs. Gardner will never be a threat at the dish and certainly isnt a gold glover just yet. A lot of people forget about Melky Cabrera as an option in center. He brings more to the table on offense and defense. But even he isnt good enough yet to be an established center fielder. So now the question is 'Where do you get a contending Center Fielder?' Well, the best way this year will be via trade. Im sure if the pitching and firstbase situations get hammered out this will be discussed throughout the off season. So who could be the possible candidates? Nate Mclouth (I think that's how you spell it) is one option. He's young and has loads of potential. Another name is Shane Victorino. If he's available this year he would sure be worth a look. He has speed, he hits for average,and is a good defender. The last possible option i will name is one that will surely bring controversy. Matt Kemp. I know. I know. Cano is worth more than Kemp and its better off that we keep him. Even though that may be true, there are options in the FA pool to replace Cano. The best option is Orlando Hudson. I dont know if the Kemp deal is the right way to go, but if the price is right, do it. You never know, maybe you could throw in say a melky cabrera in the deal and get Kemp and James Loney. A young inexpensive firstbaseman with a good bat. Now lets say that deal goes through. The worst scenario is that you have to scramble to get a second baseman if you cant sign Hudson. If we sign Hudson, Sabathia,and trade for Kemp and Loney the resulting lineup would look like this....

1. Damon-LF
2. Jeter-SS
3. Loney-1B
4. Arod-3B
5. Nady-RF
6. Kemp-CF
7. Posada-C
8. Matsui-DH
9. Hudson-2B

Rotation
1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Chamberlain
4. Hughes
5. Pettite? Mussina?

Now the Batting Order could be switched around however you like it but you get the point. It would be a dangerous lineup with a scary rotation. Only time will tell now..hopefully this offseason is a good one.

The Dodgers won their division and may make it to the world series. Their team is built on young , rising superstars and there's no way that they would trade Kemp and Looney in any package unless your talking an exceptiona' young #1 starter or someone along the lines of a Ryan Howard. I love Cano and Melky but they wouldn't come close to making that deal work for the Dodgers.

The Dodger also had a worse record than the Yankees and was in a division where only 1 team finished above .500 (as oppose to 4), they also made moves that baffle everyone like Juan Pierre.

you can't walk in 2 runs.. Thats been the problem w/ Abreu and Giambi.. they walk, walk, and then walk.. leaving Arod to try too hard..
Giambi's avg w/ RISP was horrid.. We need more active batters.. ie. Teixera who can protect and drive in runs.. not keep walking..

Arod's protection last year was Abreu(walking in front of him) and Giambi behind him (not hitting at all.. but walking)

bullpen seems solid with the current pen plus some in the minors like Melancon..

Let's go hard after CC.. must get him.. I'm not so sold on Burnett or Lowe.. maybe try Oliver Perez instead? I like the lefties in Yankee stadium..

Teixera will be hard to get, if we cant get him we would have to try with a Blake or Duncan/Miranda platoon..

We gotta get one of Tex/CC.. then it'll be a pretty good offseason..

Let Abreu and Giambi go..
split on Marte now that he's a type A.. we need to get SOME picks back..

Surprisingly, Pitching wasnt the big problem, instead it was situational hitting.. (thank you Giambi, to some extent, Abreu.. shh.arod.shh)
missing posada and matsui didnt help either..

Wouldnt mind a Delmon Young trade.. but I dont see how we would get him.. he was traded for Garza.. so upper level prospect not named Hughes.. dunno how much value guys like IPK, Alan Horne, Brackman, or Aceves have left.. but maybe? Could we eat all of Nady's contract and pair him up with a few pitchers/prospects?

Coke has to be kept..

no trade for Peavy, Greinke, it would be impossible..

Nick Johnson is interesting, I always liked him other than his fragile body.. since they have dmitri young there too.. if we can get him cheap, tho i think he had a decent yr last yr..

I have no problem w/ Gardner at CF next year, its not like there are better options out there.. trades would be a waste to get someone like Cameron.. Sorry Baldelli, but the guy has an incurable disease that bars him from playing 6 games a week..
just read up there.. no way in heck we can get Kemp.. let alone both him and Loney.. haha.. Cano had a bad year.. you wont get something like that for Cano.. gotta keep Cano.. cant sell low on such an upside player..

they better not go anywhere near Oliver Perez. he was AWFUL for the mets in sept. hes too erratic for the pay hes going to demand. He wont be any good in the AL.

The yankees should go for broke. the farm system is still years behind their counterparts in the east. if you go and get Tex CC and Burrnett (if not burrnett then go after Peavy if at all logical)that buys you the time you need to retool the system even with the loss of a couple picks.

You people who think Giambi isn't an offensive force are idiots.Sign CC for the rotation.Bring Jason back 2/24 and if you can then also sign Tex.Trade Matsui for prospects.

"I'm not debating whether or not walks or obp are important. What I am saying that if all Giambi is bringing to the table is a high obp because he walks then I'll pass. Period. If you disagree than so be it. But that speaks to all of you people who get caught up in stats like obp w/o taking into consideration other factors. Furthermore, the issue wasn't whether or not he was a good hitter it was whether or not he should be resigned by the Yanks as a DH. And my response and opinion were that he shouldn't. In comparison I'd rather bring back Abreu who also has a high obp but brings other offensive capabilities to the team (hits for avg and is a more complete hitter). So assuming you can read english and have cognetive skills to comprehend my statement..bite it."

Amen, 78.

Especially when Tex will cost the same annually than bigG and plays gold glove D, is a switch hitter, younger, etc.
Giambi is not coming back to DH, nor is Manuel Ramirez. not Cash's mo.

Free Agent wise, CC is def a bigger priority, and i know CC is a momma's boy from the espn article back when he was an injun, but "his family doesn't want to move from the west coast"!?!? Is the media serious with this? he is a grown man... who is partial to money like any and all of us, and i don't mean to generalize too much, but pro athletes are competitive in contract talks as well as teh game. he wants the best contract he can get.

A possible third free agent? if cashman had his way, prolly not. but all signings will be a group decision. Ideally (for a stud 1/2 pitcher)you want a 3 yr commitment. burnett would take 4 and that probably won't stop tampa... i guess AJ is bff with Bruney, so it is very possible he is with us, come marzo and I'm fine with that, but I'd take Sheets for 2-3/12-14mil, if teh market says more yrs fohget abaht it. at the end of 2-3 yrs, any one of Z-mac, Betances, Brackman, Christian Garcia, Humberto Sanchez, Horne if they still have faith in him, will/could be ready to contribute at a 1-3 starter level

Giambi 2008 stats to look at
risp - .213 .339 .353 .692
bases loaded - .136 .185 .409 .594

not good enough from the guy who is supposed to protect arod in the lineup. you need to get hits to drive in runs. obp is very important, but you need to be productive in in other areas.

I don't get the whole "CC's family doesn't want to move from the west coast" thing. CC spent his entire career in either Cleveland or Milwaukee, both are only a 2 hr flight away from NY. it's not like he was playing on the west coast at all. The only thing that I think might effect CC is him being afraid of the media and expectations that come with being "the savior" for the Ny Yanks. But he signed an extension with the Indians that kept him from being a FA after the 2006 season so why the desire to move to the west coast now but not 2 years ago?


I don't think the Angels will make that kind of a push for him, especially when they have to address resigning or replacing their closer and retaining Texiera whome they traded a very young 1B for. Plus with Garrett Anderson likely to walk, Texeira possible gone, Juan Rivera a FA, Guerrero getting older, Kendricks being too fragile thus far, and Matthews, Figgins and Hunter regressing offensively I think their biggest need is obtaining ofense. They still have four quality starting pitchers in Santana, Weaver, Lackey and Saunders.

The Dodgers could be major players for him especially if Lowe walks.

I can't see the Oakland A's signing him since they dont even make attempts tp resign their own players.

I can't see the Giants going after him either, especially since there's talk of them trading Cain who's making 400k for a hitter and the fact that they owe Zito a gazillion dollars and is a great example of how "iffy" of an idea it is to give a pitcher that much money for that length of time. I cant see them going down that road again. If they are willing to trade Cain for a bat then why not just sign a big bat and keep your young stud $400k pitcher?

The Padres aren't going to spend that kind of money, especially with talk of Peavy being traded because they're going to rebuild.

I can't see someone of his girth wanting to spend summers in Denver (thin air, bad ball park) or Arizona (100 degrees ++ ?).

I guess Texas or Seattle could be players but that would be a total cash grab on his end since neither team really has a lot in place to seriously compete.

So maybe he might perefer the NL vs the AL but I don't think the coast is going to be a real factor, except for maybe the Dodgers.

NYCYankeeFan:

THANK YOU. That is all I was trying to say regarding why we shouldn't bring Giambi back.

The Yanks two biggest goals at this time are to a) remain competitive and try to win a championship and b) retool and get younger.

This offseason offers up a couple of players that fit that criteria.

CC Sabathia has logged 8 years in the majors bt will only be 28 at the start of the 09 season.

Oliver Perez has logged 7 seasons and will be 27.

Texiera is a 6 year vet and will be 29.

Too often the Yanks have signed FA in their early to mid 30's to long term deals. These three guys can fill holes for us for the next 5 years while in their prime. These should be the guys we target this year while keeping Wang, Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Cano, Melky, Gardner and Nady as the core of the team.

Let Giambi, Abreu, Mussina or Pettite walk this year. I would offer Abreu, Mussina and Pettite arbitration. Abreu will sign with another team. Mussina will probably decline the 1 year arb deal because he already said if he comes back in 09 then he's coming back for 09, 10 and 11 as well to get his 300th win. If pettite accpts than we keep him as our seasoned vet on the staff to help limit inning on both Joba and Hughes.

In 09 we offer arb to Damon and matsui and let them walk as well.

In 09 we try and continue the trend of signing young FA that are needs for us if we dont have in house optiong in the minors.

Holliday (30)
Crisp (30)
Brett Myers (29)
Lackey (31)

Beckett, Webb and Cliff Lee will all probably have their options picked up for 2010.

Duchscherer will be too old to sign (33 yrs).

Wellemeyer will be 32.

So 2010's class will not be anywhere near as good as this years class which makes it imperative that we sign 2 quality guys this year.

If we sign CC, Perez and either Mussina or Pettite then we could look like this for next few years:

CC
Wang
Perez
Pettite (1 year deal)
Joba
Hughes

with Kennedy, Sanchez and others waiting in the wings Pettite or could be used to obtain young position players.

If Joba and Hughes can handle the load and develop as mlb starters then you can acquire THIS YEAR, your rotation for next 5 years (if you extend Wang).

I meant that Kenned, Sanchez and others will be waiting to replace Pettite or could be traded for young poisition players.

I know Moose wants to go out on his terms, but he had such a good season, and it doesnt seem like a fluke.. I hope he does decide to come back.. He's been a great influence on the young players, and I think he'd be a better 2-3 year option than Burnett (who screams Pavano2).. Moose as a 4 is a pretty good option.. he DID win 20 games this year.. Bringing both Pettitte and Moose back can allow us to focus on CC:
Sabathia
Wang
Joba
Moose
Pettitte
Hughes/Aceves/Coke/IPK

a chance to win every day..
and since it looks like we're gonna let Abreu and Giambi go (rightfully).. Teixera would be an important bat.. we NEED another bat to protect Arod.. and the bat is not Abreu or Giambi.. but it also isnt Matsui or Posada..
gotta be Tex..

What do you guys think about batting Cano 3rd?.. I was talking w. my friend.. batting him 3rd will give him 'motivation' and keep him 'interested' since he needs it apparently.. if we cant get Tex..

Damon
Jeter
Cano
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Nady
1B
Gardner
... hrm.. weak?.. we can win on pitching! lol.. sigh.. switch posada and matsui?.. hrm

I love Lowe, 3 years 48 mil. I'm skeptical about giving CC the farm, I think he will break down, The man is 330 lbs with a ton of innings on his arm. Would love to get Moose back on a one year deal, think we should pass on Pettite for anything more than 1 yr 8 mil. Sign Tex! Anyone think Nady and a reliever(Bruney, Edwar, Veras) + mid prospect can bring back Magglio Ordonez? Heard Detroit may have to move him for salary relief.

bobo

Hes average cause he hits alot of homeruns but strikes out alot. He drives in 100 runs but he cant hit with runners in scoring postion. He could scoop up balls but he cant through or make descent plays. He has a good OBP but he never scores when hes on base cause his speed. Its like one step foward but another step back. Hes always in the middle.

bobo

I wouldnt mind having Giambi at DH but the Yankees already have Matsui and Damon playing DH.

"Anyone think Nady and a reliever(Bruney, Edwar, Veras) + mid prospect can bring back Magglio Ordonez?"

No thanks. Nady and Maggs put up similar numbers last year and Nady is 5 years younger. Plus it weakens the bullpen for no good reason.

"I wouldnt mind having Giambi at DH"

even with the other players already clogging up the DH spot we are all aware of how Giambis numbers suffer when hes not playing first. sure he has a high on base, but what good is a walk when your job is to drive in runs?

GeberalManager

Alright, find me another DH in the AL that had better numbers than Giambi (other than Ortiz).

Yankfan1:

Not to get in one someone else's conversation but what don't you people get? We're not saying Giambi is a bad guy but we have several aging players under contract that either don't have a position (Matsui), are getting older and need at bats as a DH (Damon, Arod, Abreu, Jeter) or coming off of injuries (Posada). Bringing back Giambi doesn't make sense. Drop it already. Are you this guys agent? One year ago Yankee fans were ready to string this guy up from a tree. One porn 'stache and a decent year later and you guys want us to resign him for 2 more years. get over it already! We've got 5 outfielders who need at bats (Damon, Nady, Cabrera/Gardner and possibly Abreu) and a catcher signed for 3 more years who may not be able to catch a full season in Posada. If Matsui is healthy I'm sure he can put up numbers just as good a Giambi.

"Alright, find me another DH in the AL that had better numbers than Giambi (other than Ortiz)."

Aubrey Huff

Hey General Manager. I'll help you out just to piss Giambi Lover's off:

Milton Bradley
Jim Thome was just as good

YanksFanSince78

If read my other posts you would of noticed that I said I dint want the Yankees to sign Giambi because of his age. I was just saying hes not that bad of a DH. And okay Bradley and Huff had better numbers.

Tex sure would look nice in pinstripes.

Yeah, but Laroche or Jacobs wouldn't be bad either.

If Peavy is available, is everyone in San Diego on the market, I think Adrian Gonzalez would be a monster at the Stadium, what do you think it would take to bring him in?

Any 1B mentioned (Adrian Gonzalez, LaRoche, jacobs, Fielder, etc) are going to require things we cant afford to lose (Cano, Hughes, Kennedy, etc). Tex only requires money and we have plenty of that to spend. I'm against trading any of our young players unless your thinking of a stud #1. No Greinke, no Snell and Peavy would require war too much for a team that needs to rebuild. Let's sign 1 or 2 top pitchers and TEx and call it a day.

The Issue with Giambi this year wasn't that he walk walk walked in RISP, it's that he didn't even walk walk walk. he just sucked. he turned into a pure mistake pitcher and gets into trouble when people bring in power relievers.

Striking out or low averages doesn't have a ton to do with RISP. Ryan Howard is perhaps the best example of that this year.

They need to let him go though, he's walk rate is declining and that's a bad sign.

Sign CC Sabathia
Sign Mark Texiera
Keep Robinson Cano
Keep Phil Hughes
Re-sign Bobby Abreu
Trade Hideki Matsui for pitching and infield prospects.
Exercise Damaso Marte option
Let Giambi, Ivan Rodriguez, and Carl Pavano walk.

C-Jorge Posada
C-Jose Molina
1B-Mark Texiera
2B-Robinson Cano
3B-Alex Rodriguez
SS-Derek Jeter
LF-Xaiver Nady
CF-Brett Gardner/Melky Cabrera
RF-Bobby Abreu
DH-Johnny Damon
OF-Brett Gardner/Melky Cabrera
IF-Wilson Betemit
IF-Cody Ransom

Ace-Chien-Ming Wang
SP2-CC Sabathia
SP3-Andy Pettitte/Mike Mussina
SP4-Joba Chamberlain
SP5-Phil Hughes

CL-Mariano Rivera
RP2-Damaso Marte
RP3-Brian Bruney
RP4-Edwar Ramierz
RP5-Alfredo Aceves
RP6-Phil Coke
RP7-Dan Giese

Important Members of the Farm

1.Andrew Brackman-P
2.Austin Jackson-OF
3.David Robertson-P
4.Ian Kennedy-P
5.Humberto Sanchez-P
6.Jeffrey Marquez-P
7.Zach McAllister-P
8.Juan Miranda-IF
9.Fransico Cervelli
10.Mark Melancon-P
11.???Kei Igawa???-P

And since the Yankees want to get younger, here are the ages.
18-23: 3
24-27: 10
28-31: 3
32-35: 7
35-37: 1
38+: 1

Seems pretty young considering the ages from 24-27 only 2 or 3 are 27. Same with 32-35.
Also, with trading Matsui, we can get even younger in the farm with 2-4 prospects (preferably some infielders).

Now here is the Starting Line-up.

DH-Johnny Damon
SS-Derek Jeter
RF-Bobby Abreu
3B-Alex Rodriguez
1B-Mark Texiera
2B-Robinson Cano
LF-Xaiver Nady
C-Jorge Posada
CF-Brett Gardner/Melky Cabrera

Now if youre wondering why Nady is batting 7 behind Cano is because if Cano is in front of a power hitting Nady and Contact hitting Posada then he will get more pitches to see and or hit.

Please comment.

A few things. Abreu is not resigned and Martes option is declined. The Yankees should offer them both arbitration and hope they decline. Also I might trade Kennedy for something. Maybe another underachieving possition player form another farm. The yankees have enough arms.

I dont know who came up with this saying but whoever did is 100% correct: 'You can never have enough pitching'.

I have a few suggestions and some questions myself in response to the 'YankeeFan4life' comment. First of all I completely agree with making sure we sign Tex and Sabathia. Those 2 could really solidify the inconsistent Yankees' lineup and rotation. Abreu however should be offered arbitration rather than resigned in my opinion, because if he walks 2 sandwich picks because he is a Type A free agent. And if he accepts we get another year of the patient consistent Abreu in the lineup with little risk because its a one year deal. The main reason i say let him go is because of the picks we'll get in return. The Yankees never get good draft picks and will have to give their's up anyway after signing Sabathia or Tex so the 2 picks we gain from Abreu can help. The next move is the one I am on the fence about. Do you keep Phil Hughes? At first thought is definately. But now that the Peavy rumors have started, would you give up Hughes for the 2007 NL CY Young Award winner? ....Anyway, moving on. Getting rid of Matsui would be nice, but that would hinge on whether or not you decide to keep Abreu or not. Also, to get any real value out of him the Yankees would probably have to agree to pay part of his contract for the team who receives him. Marte 's option exercised, Giambi, Pudge, and Pavano walk...no objections there. Lineups and rotations can go so many ways so I wont comment on those other than the fact that i do see the logic behind where you put Cano. And adding on to all of that, I think that if the Yankees can get all of that sorted through, they should at least look in to trading for an above-average, consistent center fielder.

Comments/ Suggestions?

Let abreu go. he aint worth three years and some compensative picks for him would be nice

Seriously guys, you are making a lot of Yankee fans look bad. The Yankees weren't that bad this year. Wang is coming back. We Arb Abreu and Marte and let them walk. If Hank, Hal & Cashman have some guts offer Arb to some others. Cashman is on record as saying that arbitration is not a MLB guaranteed contract. You only need to pay the Spring Training money and then cut them.

The Yanks can't trade anyone because the value of all of their prospects are so low compared to last year.

You just have to sign a frontline pitcher and one of Moose/Andy. You hope you have a little left for Tex, but hey the Yanks had no one at 1b this year.

Other than that, you know Cashman and Damon Oppenhiemer have something to prove in the draft after getting bashed all year. Let's hope they get a bunch of picks and make it worthwhile.

The rotation will not be:

1.CC
2.Peavey
3.Burnett
4.Wang
5.Joba

Mason-

First to answer your question about Hughes. Yes we will keep him. He is very vauable to this team in the future and can be a pitching sensation. About center field, i dont know if the Yankees should trade for one. They do have Austin Jackson coming, Melky Cabrera, and Brett Gardner. Now im not saying Melky and Gardner are the best hitters, but they good speed especially Gardner and have good defense. They might not hit .310+ a season but i think Gardner can develop into a very good skilled player. About trading, i think the Yankees should try to stay away from trades this off-season and keep there young. (unless they want to trade a veteran like Matsui)ALso they should keep Cano. I think if the Yankees add Texiera to the lineup, it would be powerful even with a .280ish hitter like Cabrera or Gardner. Pitching will be the main topic this season.
And to end with Abreu. I think it depends on what the Steinbrenners and Brian Cashman decide to do. I am a Bobby Abreu fan so of course i would want him back. But i am working on another very long in depth Yankees roster which would feature different line-ups with/without Abreu.

Comment?

They are definitely not going to keep Abreu. He wants 3 years and is too old for a team that needs to get younger and defensive. Nady's natural position is RF anyway, and he might be a slight upgrade in defense. The problem with Nady is that he is only signed for one more year. Still, I think you need to play this year with Nady in RF.

The Yanks played Melky at CF for half a season this year, and I think they could get away with either Gardner or Melky at CF for most of the year.

I agree they can't trade anyone this year. Not because they don't want to, but because most of their players don't have good enough value. Either too old, like Matsui, or they had off years, like IPK/Cano/Hughes. They could try to trade for pieces that only require salary relief for B-level prospects, like a Washburn. There are a couple other players out there that a team would like to dump for salary relief.

Last year we lost :
Wang who was 8-2 before he got hurt and won 19 games in 2006 and 2007.
Jorge .338 20hr 90rbi in 2007 for over 100 games who is not only a big switch hitting bat and our backstop he is one of the leaders of the team who other players rally around.
Matsui .285 25hr 90 rbi in 2007 a big lefty bat and clutch hitter for almost 70 games.
Joba for a couple of weeks who has shown he can dominate
and we still finished with the 4th best record in the AL not to mention we play in the AL East which had the last two AL teams standing. Take that away from most Major League teams and they aren't finishing the year with a winning record.
This is what the Yankees need to do sign:
teixeira-.300 hitter who drives in runs and plays the field, took that for granted with donnie baseball and tino for so many years,
manny- grew up in washington heights and the latino community in new york would strongly support this move with love like that i dont think he would be playing half-assed at least not as much as he did in boston plus the guy can still hit his ass off and is a clutch performer he comes through in big moments maybe he can take a-rod under his wing or something also imagine the numbers he would put up against the red sox,
sheets- might be a risky move because of injuries but so is burnett, sheets would be a little cheaper and if healthy could put up similar/better numbers this was back in the 2000 olympics but pitched a complete game shutout in the gold medal game might be a big game pitcher
maybe go after the lefty perez if pettite retires our only lefty options in the starting rotation are kennedy/coke.
cc is gonna be too much money, his playoff track record isnt good not just this year either also with cleveland 8.80 era in 3 games in 2007 12.27 era in 1 game 2008 overworked or not thats not so clutch (our highest paid position player putting up monster regular season numbers and turning into a little leaguer in the playoffs is enough we don't need our highest paid pitcher to do that too) plus he is not in good shape bodies like that wear down alot earlier in a career, prince fielder is jason giambi just younger with a lower (oh so famous on this blog) obp stay away, don't trade cano he is young, a good hitter, and smooth fielder last year was an off year, pay the 250k buyout to drop marte's 6m( he didn't look good with the yanks anyway).People need to stop acting like melky is never gonna be a good player too he is only 23 yrs old still room for improvment. So assuming mussina and pettite both retire. This is how i think our roster should be in 2009:

starters:
c-Posada 13.1m
1b-teixeira 18m
2b-cano 6m
ss-jeter 20m
3b-a-rod 32m
lf-manny 22m
cf-damon 13m
rf-nady 3.35m
dh-matsui 13m
bench:
c-molina 2m
if-betimit 1.165m
if-ransom400k/duncan400k
of-cabrera462k
of-gardner400k

lineup:
1.damon
2.jeter
3.manny
4.a-rod
5.teixeira
6.matsui
7.posada
8.nady
9.cano

starters:
1.wang 4m
2.sheets 14m
3.hughes 407k
4.joba400k
5.aceves400k/kennedy400k(kennedy prob be a better fit to get a lefty in the rotation even though i don't know if he has what it takes to ever make it in ny)
bullpen:
cp-mariano 15m
su-bruney 725k
rp-veras 400k
rp-ramirez 400k
rp-coke 400k(long relief / lefty specialist)
rp-aceves400k/melancon400k
*if we carry 12 pitchers we can drop one of the players i have listed on the bench to the minors(ransom/shelley, gardner, or melky)
this would leave us with a payroll around 190-200 million dollars after buyouts of giambi 5m, pavano 1.95m, and marte 250k, 10-20m more than the desired 180m
i think this would work out to be championship #27 home to the bronx if we can keep everyone healthy.

First off derek lowe is a BUM he's got inflated numbers pitching over there in that NL west......if you think he's a good fit for the ALeast you know nothing about baseball....they will hammer him in the AL
now this is who the yanks need to sign

#1 sabathia they need a big arm in the top of the rotation
#2 texiera if abreu is gone the need a 3 hitter and anyway he is a gold glove 1st basemann
#3 ben sheets you can get him for prob 12 mill a year for 2-3 years his stock is very low right now and when he is healthy he is great
#4 sign baldelli as your 4th outfeilder play him 2 a week and deal with whoever else in center for the year untill trade deadline, if needed

AJ BURNETT would be great to get but hes gonna cost alot and he is just as injury prone as sheets.......
mark prior just got over arm surgery offer him 1-2million dollers and stick him in the bullpen he can prob put in 60 innings....who knows you might get the old prior if not you spending low moneys on him..
i make a bet aj burnett goes to boston just because he kills the yanks......but they will have to deal with is injurys after there intitial honeymoon

CASHMANNN!!!! LIISTEN TO MEE!!! I KNOW MY STUFF.....HANK HIRE ME ILL DO THE JOB FOR 200K A YEAR

plbx kennedy in a righty not a lefty

i have rethought the ben sheets thing .....stay away from him.......we dont need another pavano........just make sure that mussina dosent retire

Ok let's recap.

C - Jorge Posada - $13.1MM
C - Jose Molina - $2MM
1B - Nick Swisher - $5.3MM
2B - Robinson Cano - $6MM
SS - Derek Jeter - $20MM
3B - Alex Rodriguez - $32MM

IF - Cody Ransom - $400K
LF - Johnny Damon - $13MM
CF - Brett Gardner - $400K
RF - Xavier Nady - $3.35MM+
OF - Melky Cabrera - $462K
DH - Hideki Matsui - $13MM

SP - Chien-Ming Wang - $5MM
SP - CC Sabathia - $14MM
SP - A.J. Burnett - $16.5MM
SP - Joba Chamberlain - $400K
SP - Phil Hughes - $407K
SP - Ian Kennedy - $400K
SP - Alfredo Aceves - $400K

RP - Mariano Rivera - $15MM
RP - Damaso Marte - $3.75MM
RP - Brian Bruney - $725K+
RP - Jose Veras - $400K
RP - Edwar Ramirez - $400K
RP - Phil Coke - $400K
RP - Mark Melancon - $400K
RP - Andrew Brackman - $1.3MM

With that listed at about $168MM and the Yankees brass on record saying they want to reduce payroll, I don't see them signing both Manny and Teixeira.

The $20MM+ per year that Teixeira is demanding does not seem to be that negotiable. Any Manny for $25MM per year is nuts.

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