Royals And Indians Not Talking Teahen

Mark Teahen for Trevor Crowe sounds like a reasonable trade for both ball clubs ... The Royals get a young CF prospect and the Indians get a 3B/OF... this trade would be nice for Teahen if it happened since he wants to play 3B again...

http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2008/01/trevor-crowe.html
there I go! Sounds like a solid pick up for the royals and will save them some cash.

@ joe
Why? as a white sox fan i love teahen, and have wanted him on my team for a number of years. the royals just suck. period. this wont help them in the long run.

giving up crowe seems like too much to me.... teahen had a terrible year and i dont think a guy with a .310 OBP deserves a prospect like crowe

Crowe for Teahan works for me, I too would also like to keep Franklin since he has proven to be an okay bat but a more valuable back-up OF. Teahan would help the Tribe big time, provide a solid 3b option and allow them to focus FA money on relief and a spot starter.

Part of Teahen's poor '08 can be atrributed to some nagging injuries (hamstring, etc.). I also agree that a change of scenery would probably do him some good. I'd expect him to have a solid season if dealt. I'm hoping it would be Crowe in the exchange. There isn't really room for Crowe on the 40 man and he certainly would be lost in Rule 5 if not rostered. Plus we acquired his "doppleganger" in Brantley.

While I would love the Tribe to trade one of their young OFs, I just dont see the reason in this case. Teahen is not the answer at 3B, I would rather they sign Blake back and trade who they kept with Shoppach for pitching.

I like the idea, but Teahen is just the wrong fit. There is a reason half these KC fans are saying "any return" for Teahen is good.

Besides, if Choo has to leave for the military in a year or w/e, then we need another OF. While it's nice to say, "Oh well we still have Guit, Francisco, and Sizemore with Brantley, it's just risky. Any one of those players can easily get hurt and I'm not ready to just annoint Brantley as a starter. I have never seen him play so it's hard to think he could be a full time player. Plus I still believe LaPorta is destined for 1B.

Blake is going to get a 3 year deal. Do you really want to go 3 years with Casey Blake? Hodges is tearing it up and has thrust himself back into the picture for '10.

GoTribe,

I don't think the A's need any more outfielders. They have about 10 of them who could be Major League ready as a result of all their trades. They have a massive OF logjam:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/09/more-odds-and-e.html

While Street would be a nice fit for the Indians, unfortunately the A's need infielders as well.

And as for the Huston Street suggestion, I think the Tribe and the MLB know that Street is destined for more of a set-up role than a closers one. However, the Indians are in desperation mode in their bullpen, and with the A's need in the infield I would be trying to give them Josh Barfield at every turn. Unfortunately, I think Barfield has pretty much killed most of his trade value and would have to be packaged with some other prospects.

A's wouldn't really want Barfield anymore...they just resigned Ellis and have Cardenas and Patterson in the wings. Maybe Cabrera though....but he's too much for Street IMO.

If you have to give up Cabrera I'd trade him for Cain or Roberts....

Trevor Crowe for Mark Teahen... gitterdone.. If the Indians can find a way to send Jeremy Sowers (caddy? manservant? Luggage Porter?) send him too..

Trevor Crowe for Mark Teahen looks like a fair deal for both sides IMO.

"Trevor Crowe for Mark Teahen looks like a fair deal for both sides IMO."

I like this deal for both sides as well.

The Indians get a versatile hitter who can play all of the corner positions on the field, and he still holds some decent potential as a hitter. He hasn't played too well the past two seasons, but he has good tools and could just need to get out of Kansas City. I wouldn't be shocked to see him hit 20 homers and bat .290/.360/.500 if given a starting job. But he could also just replicate what he's done this year, which wouldn't be much at all.

As for Crowe, I think he could definitely be an interesting addition for Kansas City. They really lack guys with good OBP's, and that's definitely Crowe's thing.

Maybe they could let Crowe get some time in AAA to start 2009, then move DeJesus after a couple months and bring up Crowe. Once it is established that DeJesus belongs in left field, then his trade value will go down a lot.

Most of his value is tied to the fact that his hitting is being done by a center fielder. By a LF, DeJesus's numbers become quite unimpressive.

firesticks,

I said i wouldnt be shocked if Teahen posted that line. I still completely stand by that statement.

The last time Teahen played at third base full time was in 2006, when he posted a .290/.357/.517 line in 393 at bats. If he was capable of that at age 24, then presumably he's capable of doing it again at 27.

Moving positions clearly had an effect on Teahen. There is no way I'd be shocked if he posted an .860 OPS.

See, I had logic behind my point. What's your reason that Teahen is incapable of posting those numbers?

I think your putting too much weight into the position change. Yes, it may have had an effect, but it shouldn't make you go from potential all-star to piece of crap.

More than likely, it was his shoulder surgery that caused it. Which caused him to change his swing back to his old habits of shooting the ball to LF all the time (this he has admitted).

I'd plausible I suppose. But no way in my mind does he hit for that sort of batting average with his strikeout rate, .260 or .270 is a better bet.

And I state it again, Teahen is not a very good defensive player.

With Peralta already at SS, we need a defensive 3rd baseman on the team, especially when ALL of our pitchers induce ground balls.

zach, you do realize that AA used numbers to back up his argument that Teahen is pretty good at third, while you just stated it without evidence. I think I'll side with AA.

And what's the point of comparing Teahen and Blake? Teahen is a cheaper, younger option with at least equal upside to Blake if not more. I think people are putting far too much into what Teahen did in 2008, rather than his previous three seasons.

I'd expect a solid line of around .280/.350/.460 if given the at bats, with his upside being around what he did in 2006, and the downside being what he did this year. That's a pretty good bet to me if your current option is Andy Marte.

Too bad he's staying in KC for now.

In Teahen’s last season at 3rd base, 2006, Teahen had a .958 fielding percentage, 3.09 range factor, and .734 zone rating.
Among the 20 third baseman that qualified statistically (2 Games played per 3 Team Games) Teahen would have been 13/21 in Fielding Percentage, 4/21 in Range Factor, and 21/21 in Zone Rating.

You can argue RF all you want, but I want a guy who has a high fielding percentage and zone rating. Range Factor only takes into consideration Putouts and Assists per inning, which has major holes in the stat. It has no bearing on errors or broken plays and is totally reliant on how many opportunities he has. If a guy gets the ball hit to him (putout/assist) 190 times and has 20 errors in 100 innings, he has a better RF than a guy that is hit to 140 times and no errors in 100 innings.

Zone rating takes into consideration the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive “zone,” as measured by STATS, Inc. This and fielding percentage take into account his success rate, something that is pretty important in baseball, don’t you think?

Convenient you left out his abysmal ZR and mediocre at best fielding percentage. Like I said, he's mediocre at best defensively. We need someone who can really play 3rd well with Peralta at SS and so many ground ball pitchers.

And the whole point about Blake is the entire time we had him, all we heard was how we needed to upgrade at 3rd. So why would we trade assets for a guy who is just as good. Who cares how old Teahen is, we all know he's a 1-yr rental until Hodges is ready.

Yeah, thank god. That's what my reaction was when I found out the Royals announced the rumors to be BS. I'd take Andy Marte over Mark Teahen any day......