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From George King and Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post:
Several industry sources believe the Yankees will make a serious push for Manny Ramirez to play right field next year.
Those sources sound pretty vague, and keep in mind that Dodgers GM Ned Colletti called a previous King/Hubbuch report about a Manny offer "fiction." On the other hand, Colletti said Saturday that the Dodgers hadn't even had internal conversations about the length or amount of a possible Manny offer. That seems like an odd topic to avoid for ten days.
Additionally, the Yankees have three corner outfielders and the idea of Manny in right field is dubious.
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please god, as a sox fan, let it be true for so many reasons
Posted by: 04Forever | October 30, 2008 at 09:13 AM
also on the yankee front, did mussina retire? i remember reading on here that some sportscaster said the moose would retire right after the series if it was gonna happen, and that he said there was less then a 1% chance it didnt
Posted by: 04Forever | October 30, 2008 at 09:17 AM
I would not be surprised if the Yankees kicked the tires on Manny. The Idea of Manny protecting A-Rod is scary.
Other than that though, it makes little sense for so many other reasons.
Posted by: Chris | October 30, 2008 at 09:25 AM
I agree that Manny coming does not make alot of sense and it probably wont happen but that would be a real fun team to watch. Manny and A-Rod on the same team. Girardi attempting to discipline Manny would be comical. This might bring back the days of the Bronx Zoo. Manny probably wont come but im sure every major newspaper in town is praying that he does.
Posted by: dwright3b05 | October 30, 2008 at 09:30 AM
04, be careful what you wish for...
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | October 30, 2008 at 09:44 AM
04Forever, Pete Abraham spoke with Mussina's agent, Arn Tellem yesterday and said the following:
"Tellem said the story that Mussina was planning to make a decision by the end of the week is untrue. Tellem is going to visit Mussina in Montoursville on Friday so they can talk. But he doesn’t necessarily expect Moose to give him a decision at that point. He’ll file for free agency regardless, and Tellem said he wouldn’t be surprised if Moose wants more time to think it over."
Posted by: yanksfan | October 30, 2008 at 09:57 AM
trust me, he was on our team for almost 8 years, i know what he can do to a team internally, the last thing the yankees need is another black sheep. sure the numbers are there but they were there for us to and didnt help this year. everyday, it wasnt how the sox were doing, its what manny did today, what manny said, which knee is hurting him today. you cant leash him cause he shuts down. good luck getting him to conform (ie cutting his hair, keeping his pie hole shut, staying out of the papers, opening his mouth, girardi trying to keep him line) its not worth it, yankees have more pressing matter at hand then a clean up hitter anyway. its just another headache, im telling you, you dont want this
Posted by: 04Forever | October 30, 2008 at 09:59 AM
thank you yanksfan, curious about that
Posted by: 04Forever | October 30, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Why do I feel like the New York newspapers will collectively help pay Manny's salary should he go to NYY/NYM. Guaranteed backpage for the life of the contract.
Posted by: el clash combo | October 30, 2008 at 10:08 AM
The Manny-As-Clubhouse-Cancer is overrated. I watched him all those years, too. His offense far outweighs the hyped drama. And while there is absolutely no excuse for the 2006 shutdown, not running down the basepath and the phantom injuries.... these did not occur every single day. BOS dealt with the headaches because they got Manny in his prime. Ill take those 2 WS Championships for the drama, now that it's all said and done.
Posted by: el clash combo | October 30, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Wait a minute, Manny 'destroys' clubhouse chemistry, on the way to plenty of playoff berths and 2 World Championships?
It was a smart business practice to let him go, but it's bordering on shameful to see Sox fans hating on Manny - and for what? certainly can't be lack of production when it counts - after all he's delivered them. It's pretty safe to say there wouldn't have been 2004 without Manny Ramirez.
That said, the Yankees won't be signing Manny unless he comes as a big discount. The one draw, for Manny, is that he's always said he wanted to play for his hometown team.
Posted by: AndrewYF | October 30, 2008 at 10:15 AM
If the Yankees are willing to spend huge money, why not go after Tex? The Yankees really need a 1B, and outside of Jesus Montero they don't have anyone who could possibly take over in the future. Shelling out big cash would make more sense for Tex, considering he's also younger, and a more complete player. If the Yankees could add Tex and maybe Mike Cameron, they would be stacked.
LF Damon
SS Jeter
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
DH Matsui
C Posada
RF Nady
CF Cameron
2B Cano
Where does the pitcher get to rest in that lineup? You have quality hitters 1-9, and although there may be some speed lacking, every single hitter in that lineup has once hit 20 plus home runs in a season, so there is some serious power.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 30, 2008 at 10:23 AM
A thought on the rumor that Mussina would decide or tell Tellem his decision this week: I have no idea where it came from. The NY Post did not write that when George King did his story about Moose yesterday.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | October 30, 2008 at 10:24 AM
But isnt the future NYY 1B spot going to be a Posada/Jeter platoon in the years to come? Where does Teixeira go then?
Posted by: el clash combo | October 30, 2008 at 10:28 AM
There wont be no platoon. Jeter will never see first base. so long as Posada can throw he'll be a cather. worst case next year Matsui comes off the books and that could free up DH for Jorge.
Posted by: GeneralManager | October 30, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Didn't Nady play some 1B in Pittsburgh? He can't possibly be any worse than Giambi,Betemit,Duncan.
LF Damon
SS Jeter
RF Abreu
3B Rodriguez
DH Matsui
C Posada
1B Nady
CF Cameron
2B Cano
I'm also for signing Mike Cameron but I seriously doubt the Brewers not picking up his option to trade him for prospects. They should resign Abreu, but maybe something like 3yr, 42 Mill gets it done?
Posted by: JuNeYanksFan | October 30, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Wow... Manny in RF? That'd be something to see.
I could see them going after Manny, but I would imagine they would push harder for Sabathia and Tex. I mean, they can't sign them all... can they?! Ha
Posted by: GoTribe | October 30, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Damon is also a FA next year. That means tha Yanks will need a LF a CF if AJax is not ready and a DH.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | October 30, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Why would they play Manny in RF with Nady already on the roster? Wouldn't logic indicate that in that situation Manny would be in LF with Nady in RF?
Posted by: TNS | October 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM
"There wont be no platoon. Jeter will never see first base. so long as Posada can throw he'll be a cather. worst case next year Matsui comes off the books and that could free up DH for Jorge."
Damn. Your defense is going to be in trouble then. Jeter is going to be brutal at short within 2-3 years, if you don't consider him brutal already. He's still got the skills to make plays look spectacular, but really, a lot of those plays, Adam Everett could make look routine.
"Damon is also a FA next year. That means tha Yanks will need a LF a CF if AJax is not ready and a DH."
Uhh.. so spend some cash?
I don't get why Yankee fans seem concerned that they won't have any outfielders locked up beyond 2009. You guys are the Yankees. Worse case scenario you can go out and sign a stopgap.
You can already probably pencil Jackson into CF for 2010, and then even if they let Damon, Nady and Matsui all walk, that's a ton of money to be able to use on different outfielders.
Its not like any of those three guys are particularly incredible. Any of those three guys could be replaced if the Yankees are willing to spend, which they always should be and are.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 30, 2008 at 11:19 AM
"Damn. Your defense is going to be in trouble then. Jeter is going to be brutal at short within 2-3 years, if you don't consider him brutal already. He's still got the skills to make plays look spectacular, but really, a lot of those plays, Adam Everett could make look routine."
oh i agree its brutal. i just think its better to move him to the outfield.
Posted by: GeneralManager | October 30, 2008 at 11:37 AM
With the news of the Jacobs trade to KC, I personally say that if the Yanks can't get Tex, then they should sign Manny, and make a trade for Billy Butler to be their 1B. He is a solid hitter, and from what I understand his defense isn't too bad at all (could be wrong though).
Also understand that they would be seeking a couple pitching prospects for Butler. Needless to say, we do have plenty of pitching in our farm system, and it's not like they would be traded away for some old, falling apart guy. It would be for a young 1B that crushes the ball.
If both of those guys are acquired, that would give us a lineup similar to this:
1. Damon CF
2. Jeter SS
3. A-Rod 3B
4. Manny RF/LF
5. Matsui DH
6. Posada C
7. Nady RF/LF
8. Cano 2B
9. Butler 1B
Sounds like a good line-up to me.
Posted by: Colton | October 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM
>oh i agree its brutal. i just think its better to move him to the outfield.
Im am generally curious about infielders moving to the outfielder. Is this often considered a "step down" or "insult" for an infielder to move out to the OF....especially in regards to high profile players?
I say this in context of the Jeter situation because would Jeter "accept" moving to the OF...seeing as he wouldnt move to 3rd to allow ARod to play SS?
Any ideas?
Posted by: el clash combo | October 30, 2008 at 01:08 PM
If Jeter refuses to move off of short, then he shouldn't be playing at all. His defense at short is bad, and soon to be horrendous.
I get that he's a living legend, but the Yankees can't just ignore production. I would guess that at a certain point, Jeter will realize he's really hurting his team by playing short everyday, and move to left or center.
And el clash combo, generally, an infielder being moved to the outfield is because he isn't good enough to stay in the infield. I'm guessing some guys take offense to it, like Alfonso Soriano did initially, but with a lot of guys the team hardly has a choice.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 30, 2008 at 02:23 PM
I don't see Many ending up in NY, but I do think it would be hilarious if he did. After everything that has happened, to watch him in NY (the media captial of the US) would be something worth watching. He would for sure be on the news every single day.
Posted by: JP | October 30, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Manny? Why, but? They have Melky and Gardner to flank Jackson for the next 10 years in the outfield!
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 30, 2008 at 03:30 PM
The thing about moving Jeter to 1B or LF that doesn't make sense is, while you would be upgrading at shortstop defensively by moving him, you are downgrading LF/1B offensively by moving him there. While his defense is questionable at SS, his offense still plays there, where at 1B/Lf, he would most likely be pretty below average offensively. Seems like CF is the only place to move him.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 30, 2008 at 03:33 PM
"Manny? Why, but? They have Melky and Gardner to flank Jackson for the next 10 years in the outfield!"
That, is exactly what YanksFanSince78 thought. Literally. That exact thought.
Well maybe not that exact thought. Austin Jackson isn't a sure thing yet, as he likes to remind us.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 30, 2008 at 04:03 PM
The greatest lineup in the entire MLB? You mean like the 2008 Tigers?
Our lineup doesn't need that many shots in the arm, simply adding Tex/Dunn/etc. in one spot will be enough to cover us. What is needed, badly, is consistent pitching. Crossing your fingers and chanting "maybe Ian Kennedy will get a win this time" isn't going to do the job.
Manny may be a future Hall of Famer, but does he play an above average (or even average at this point) RF? Does he pitch? I think that is where the conversation needs to stop. He's going to cost an exceedingly large amount of money and while the Yankees can afford it, it's a nontrivial sum and it's not like the Yankees win a prize for breaking the payroll record. There's no benefit to having an absurdly high payroll if you can't play all those players or use them to the fullest. Manny will fill a great spot on some team, but the Yankees, with 2 LF and 3-4 DH, are not that team.
-JM
Posted by: jagteq | October 30, 2008 at 04:34 PM
scribble:
why are you so convinced that any of the available FA in winter '09 will be available?
It seems to me that players aren't so crazy to play in NY any more. We can't assume that Holiday a) won't be traded this winter and that the team won't look to extend his contract as part of the deal b) Jason bay won't be extended by the Red Sucks c) Vlad will be capable of playing RF anymore considering hey DH'd 50 games last year and will probably DH the entire season in '09 d) The Rays won't make it a priority to resign Crawford now that they are competitive e) Ankiel, Crisp or Maglio wouldn't prefer other teams over the Yanks.
I never said that we should have an OF of Melky, Gardner and Ajax. WHat I said was we should use 09 to see what Melky and Gardner can do in CF so that coming into winter of 09 we have options and answers of who we can count on, rather than throwing a bandaid on the situation by signing Cameron and assuming that the 36 yr old will still be productive.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 30, 2008 at 06:19 PM
My bad scribb's and nrmax: You guys have a crystal ball and have already figured out that Melky and Gardner wil never amount to anything and that Ajax will have a stellar 09 in the minors and will win ROY in 2010. My bad.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 30, 2008 at 06:22 PM
No need for us to have back options or to see what any of the other kids can do.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 30, 2008 at 06:23 PM
I think this makes complete sense for the yankees. they need a clutch hitter and thats what manny is. If we are talking big game players even as a boston fan i'd have to admit it'd be scary to have him against us.
I think you trade melky for what you can get now. Hes got a cannon for an arm but besides that he really doesn't bring too much to the table offensively or defensively. In fact I believe Baseball Prospectus ranked him as the 4th worst starting center fielder in baseball (might have been 3rd worst). Gardner is quick but he's by no means ready now to come up and be the yanks every day center fielder. So I say you shift damon back to center field, sign manny to play left (manny very comfortable in left in old yankees stadium, no reason new stadium wont be the same since it is in fact almost exactly the same), and shift nady to right. Now you have an outfield that is actually worth a damn. Besides that you swap a hole in the line-up (melky) for one of the top hitters in baseball (manny). Drop abreau, drop giambi, sign Nomar Garciappara to play 1B for you (after making 9.5MM for last 2 years, he will probably be able to be signed for the same or less). Now you have a line-up that can dominate.
Now if they can sign CC. thats a team i'd be scared of.
i love how immature yanksfan is. unbelievable. perhaps all sox fans should start referring to them as the spankees? or the Hanky's is even more of an insult considering they have hands down the dumbest owner in the AL who cant even figure out what tampering is. Or perhaps the Bitches, considering that A-rod publicly opted out of your team during the world series and then came crying back when he couldn't make money elsewhere and you still gave him all the money he wanted to begin with. Not to mention he pissed on your 30MM by batting .220 w/RISP.
yea... we got insults to.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | October 30, 2008 at 07:53 PM
zrosey21:
are you actually suggesting they get rid of Nady? where does he fit in your line-up.
if yanks get rid of nady it will be worst decision they've made recently
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | October 30, 2008 at 08:01 PM
I agree with all of you who have said jeter wont move.
Jeter wouldn't move for a-rod (at the time the best defensive ss in baseball). He has always been inferior to their other options. Pretty much jeter stays at short till jeter says my knees dont work anymore at which time the yankees will treat him just as they did bernie.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | October 30, 2008 at 08:11 PM
by yanksfan btw i meant yanksfansince78. not the actually yanksfan who is a much more intelligent and articulate yankees fan. just don't want the wrong guy catching the heat.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | October 30, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Awwwww Santana/Beckett is still getting upset because I refer to his team as the Boston Redsucks. Yeah....no Boston fan has ever made fun of the Yanks before. Never ever. Oh wait...your owner did refer to us in a NY Times interview as the Evil Empire. Get real and have a sense of humor. Rival fans making up nicknames for a team....oohhhh tell the teacher.
Now if you ever hear me calling you a deragatory name or refering to a player as something out of line then you will have a legit gripe. Until then it's Red Sucks.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 30, 2008 at 08:38 PM
Someone previously mentioned that Nady once played 1B in Pitts and I had mentiond that a few months ago. I think he would be a viable option in case we can't sign Tex. Then we can resign Abreu for another 2 years in RF and play Damon in LF with Matsui as a DH (unless Man-NY is picked up). Then of course Melky/Gardner combo or the often favored Cameron signing.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 30, 2008 at 09:04 PM