Jake Peavy Rumors

dewitt, mcdonald, delwon young, and hu? for peavy.
mcdonald is a star pitcher in the making, but if the dodgers sign FAS to take the spots, that another down yr for mcdonald. the pads said they want 2 pitchers and a cf. mcdonald is our 3rd best pitcher and is mlb ready(behind bill and kershaw). dewitt can play 2b, as iguchi was thrown around in trades and ive heard they like mid-infield depth. d. young could start in the outfield. and they could use hu for ss and trade grenee.

then, i sign manny, blake and furcal. how about going after hudson? former dback who will be under market value, because of injuries. if poss sign cc, using money from maddux, penny, nomar, kent, furcals, and lowes old contract(save around 3m.)

this how this would work: peavy costs what nomar made peavy=8m, nomar=9.25, use lowes 15m+left over of nomar(1.25), and the difference from furcal(15m to 12m) to sign manny=19.25, furcal signed with 12m from old contract. those 3=25m. sign cc to 22m a year. that gets the total to 55m. blake and hudson will cost btwn 12-14m total. use they 3m left over from leaving FAs to start one of their contracts and raise payroll about 9m.

the rotation
cc
peavy
bill
kuroda
kershaw

lineup
furcal
martin
manny
ethier
loney
kemp
hudson
blake
pitcher spot

this is very reasonable, wats ur thoughts?

how are the phillies not involved in these talks...they have enough prospects to pull it off..

"Nathan was a starter/relief pitcher for the giants for all the years before he was traded"

Then am I thinking of a different player? Or was he drafted as an outfielder? I know Wakefield was drafted as an outfielder before reinventing himself, but I thought Nathan was as well... just more successful.

mistcyk.... it's a shame Peavy doesn't want to be part of a dynasty rotation with Hamels & Myers...

also - if the stros get peavy, thats a sick 1-2 punch with peavy and oswalt...

but who would they trade to get him?

And HE'S NOT GOING TO WAIVE HIS NTC FOR AN AL TEAM, last i checked the rangers were in the AL pal

I would love to see him in Houston, but not sure what we could give them, outside of Pence. I would hate to see Pence leave, but there is some available OF bats out there (Dunn-from the area). It would be centered around Pence and would probably have to throw Norris and that second rounder from last year in there. Pence is the best CF that has been mentioned here, but the pitching part is better from the other teams.

I do like that person's idea about a 3-way deal. But I don't understand why the Padres would want Valverde and Wigginton if they are trying to rebuild. The Astros have Chris Johnson in the minors that could play 3rd if they trade Kooz. But then again they could turn around and deal those two, but if they don't they only have them for one year.

As for Yankee fans, keep dreaming, but I don't really see any chance of him going there.

As for Cub fans-Y'all don't have enough to get him and there is no need for y'alls team to get him because the pitching is good there. Y'all need to be focused on a left-handed bat.(overpay for Dunn?)

@ Mistyck

I really don't think the Stros would give up Valverde. I think Wade liked that trade to much from last year. In addition, that would leave us with no closer. I agree Pence would have to be part of the deal and Rodriguez and Norris. If Peavy Really wants to be here and says trade me to them bottom line, then thats all it might take...just sayin.... I think the deal has to be with the Stros cause if Roy O aint happy... nobody is going to be happy when he goes to atl to pitch with Peavy cause our deal didnt happen...(don't know how long O is locked in for)

My bad, I didn't see you put Valverde to the Mets. I figured you were thinking that, but I just didn't see it. It makes sense.

I was talking to my mom and we were thinking the same thing. It would keep Bourn in the lineup for sure if they would sign Dunn. I don't necessarily want him, but it is just an option. I wouldn't mind a Baldelli signing if Bogusevic isn't ready.

I am also thinking that the Padres want to find someone to take Green, why not send him along with Peavy for those players you named earlier. The departure of Wigginton opens a hole at 3rd and could move Tejada there. Who knows though, I don't have any control whatsoever and Ill just have to see.

I come here to see people that actually put decent trade offers up and most of the time there are a bunch, but if y'all want any laughs go to the ESPN MLB homepage and look at the comments. They throw out some crazy stuff. It is mostly just Cub fans, though

The 5 Teams Peavy will waive his NTC for:
Cardinals
Cubs
Dodgers
Astros
Braves

I really don't see a team trading Peavy and looking to cut payroll, being too interested in Valverde. A closer with one year before arbitration?

It sounds like they're trying to work out a deal to keep Hoffman (which I really don't understand either, but I guess he's a local hero or something).

AtlantaMike:

Valverde would be traded by the Padres to Mets/Tigers for prospects...

The 5 Teams Peavy will waive his NTC for:
Cardinals
Cubs
Dodgers
Astros
Braves
as reported by Buster Olney. Thanks you ESPNNEWS

we knew this yesterday

Mistyck.... my bad... reading (or not reading) too fast.

"we knew this yesterday"

the point exactly

"peavy costs what nomar made peavy=8m, nomar=9.25, use lowes 15m+left over of nomar(1.25), and the difference from furcal(15m to 12m) to sign manny=19.25, furcal signed with 12m from old contract. those 3=25m. sign cc to 22m a year. that gets the total to 55m."

Some problems here.

1) You over estimated the contracts from this year. Lowe made $10 million, not $15 million. Furcal made $13 million, not $15 million. Nomar made $8.5 million, not $9.5 million.

2) You left out what looks to be about $10 million in arbitration raises to 3 key Dodger players. Russell Martin looks to make about $5 million next year. Andre Ethier looks to go up to about $3m and Jonathan Broxton to about $2m

"dewitt, mcdonald, delwon young, and hu? for peavy."

That is too much. Young and DeWitt are confirmed MLB ready. McDonald is MLB ready based on his ALCS performance. Hu is MLB ready with the glove and is maybe a step away with the bat.

The other issue is that Delwyn Young is NOT a center fielder, though he could be considered middle infield depth.

I think St. Louis will get him. With all the outfielders STL have, where they going put Rasmus, Mather, Stahovia, Wallace (when he learn the outfield), Ankiel, Schumaker, Ludwick, Barton, plus wh else they have in the minors coming up fast and of who they can sign off free agency, Rasmus is available. Chris Perez and someone like Todd or someone like that should be able to do it. Trevor is getting old and they will need someone to replace Trevor when he decide to hang it up. There is where Perez comes in and STL is not going to hurt with Motte. Plus, give the Padres someone like Kennedy for Greene. Kennedy want to go back to California and Greene probally want out of San Diego.

I think St. Louis will get him with a package involving Rasmus.

But if I were Towers, Peavy would be untouchable. Maybe it's the divorce that's getting to him.

Peavy is available to be issued as an Initial Player Offering on www.oneseason.com. It's like a sports stock market using real money. Peavy won't be trading on the market for another week or so and once he doesn, he'll be so expensive. So get in now on the IPO and in the mean time, Longoria, Howard, AROD and Manny are all already trading.

"Peavy would need a lot of convincing to improve a trade to any AL team"

Well i got some reasons if he wants to be a Yankee.

1.Money
2.World Series
3.Popularity
4.Fame
5.New Stadium

Just to name a few.

Tim, wouldnt it be "Approve a trade to any team"? Not Improve?

Any chance that this would get it done for the Cardinals?

Padres get:
Pinerio
Ankiel
Rasmus
Anderson
and at least one of Todd/Jay/Boggs

Cards get:
Peavy
Greene (salary dump)

If I were Mo, I'd offer Rasmus in a trade for Peavy and Greene. That way two holes would be filled at once.

"Dodgers send Xavier Paul, James McDonald, Ethan Martin for Peavy"

I don't think they can trade Martin at this point, as it hasn't been a year yet. Further, I don't think he is MLB ready, especially considering he recently had knee surgery.

Hehe BravesFan...Berkman, Oswalt, Lee and others on the Astros love to go hunting too...lol.

A new stadium built with tax payer money that shouldn't have been used for it. GOOOO Yankees! Baseball before the well being of NYC's citizens!

Anyhow back to the point of the thread, I'll go with the reports until I hear otherwise. Peavy doesn't want to go to the AL period and seems to prefer west coast or the southeast. They have enough players to get him if he will waive the clause but until he says it's something he would do I'm going to go ahead and assume it's unlikely.

I still say Hanson/Schafer/Lillibridge and 2 more pieces. They want another SP but I don't want to move Teheran, Locke or Rohrbough. One of James/Reyes/Morton would be ideal for us but I don't see that working unless that 5th piece is really good. Would Medlan or Everts get it done? I would throw a Brandon Jones in maybe if we can keep from giving up Teheran, Locke, Rohrbough, Hernandez but most importantly Heyward.

"dewitt, mcdonald, delwon young, and hu? for peavy."

That is too much. Young and DeWitt are confirmed MLB ready. McDonald is MLB ready based on his ALCS performance. Hu is MLB ready with the glove and is maybe a step away with the bat.

The other issue is that Delwyn Young is NOT a center fielder, though he could be considered middle infield depth.

basicly, i was puting the offer on everyones mind. i liked dewitt until the playoffs, where he like 4 hits in the lds, and 1 in the lcs. mcdonald would be the key piece, young starter whose expected to be good, maybe star. young is an outfielder, not infield. i know he plays corners, but he gives them another glove who can play at least mediocre defense, and has been able to hit in the minors, but hasnt been given playing time. hu i just felt he wont really get a chance and proved he wasnt ready when raffy got hurt. if they had all four, would it be enough for peavy and either cash for the fourth or a 2b also?

Perhaps the study was skewed? Most of the academic studies done on how sports impact local economies these days show that they have adverse financial affects more often than positive. Most of this goes back to the way teams are able to lobby local governments for stadium funds when and yet pocket the majority of the revenue dollars. This is all completely off-topic but I find it hard to believe spending almost a billion dollars on a stadium for the Yankees was money that couldn't be spent better elsewhere.

Ok
Jake Peavy To Atlanta
Heyward
Hanson
Rohrburg
Schafer

3 of those 4 i believe would get it done and maybe a throw in some potential single A piture

Heyward
Hanson
Schafer
Rohrburg?
For Jake Peavy

3 of those 4 plus a good potential low A minor league SP would get it done I believe.

Srry computer messing up reposted 3 times

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Its pretty funny.
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SO you are saying that the braves would not trade Peavy for Heyward straight up???

Thanks Chief.

I think Braves maybe inclined to trade Schafer or Hanson if the deal is right, but Heyward isn't going to be in it unless like I said more ML good quality players are in it besides Peavy. Such as A Gonzo for instance.

I guess the Braves would do Heyward straight up for Peavy if the alternative was Schafer, Hanson, plus some, but that difference in price just wouldn't make sense for the Padres.

I wouldn't go as far to say Heyward for Peavy is fair in any way really. It's still possible Heyward doesn't become the star many think he is while Peavy already is. Both are controled long term and both are under market value. Plus it doesn't make sense for the Padres to put all the eggs in one basket either in this deal because if something happens to Heyward they are screwed and there will definitely be some jobs lost. It's going to take multiple pieces which when they add up means I don't believe Heyward is plausible for the Braves to add into the mix.

"Most of the academic studies done on how sports impact local economies these days show that they have adverse financial affects more often than positive."

That's both true and up for speculation. The dirty little secret about statistical studies is they are incredibly unreliable because they're usually made to support an agenda.

i dont really know what will happen but Jake Peavy is locked up for awhile for cheap so the padres should definitely some good prospects. I could see a Hanson, Schafer, as the padres may want the more pure center fielder in Petco, and maybe Rohrburgh. its all speculation

I would support the padres unloading Adrian Gonzalez age not much different from Peavy and so if we are looking 5 years down the line we could get like 5 good quality starters by that time

yah i would agree and i think the Padres would be happy with that and just throw in like Schafer for the point that Jake Peavy is proven and Hanson is still unknown.

I wish we could get some exact proposals from the gms that are doing the negotiations just to get a starting point.

Now I would not trade Heyward and Schaffer/Hanson in a deal. I prefer to deal Hanson. My philosophy is to try and become stronger in a position you should try to deal one of you prospects in that position. Dealing Heyward for Peavy would make you strong in SP but then you have to find a replacement for Heyward in the OF. If we deal Hanson, Peavy pretty much takes over the role Hanson could've brought.

How many years does Lilly have left on his deal with the Cubs? I think it is 1 or 2. Harden has this year, I don't know if there is another option year at the end of it. Would the Cubs consider including them both in a package to get Peavy? Yes, you lose to solid pitchers but you get 4 years of Peavy and free up money to resign Dempster, which your organization has said is a top priority. I think the CUbs would also have to give up someone else in the deal as well, and I don't know much beyond Pie as far as the farm system goes. The Cubs rotation would go Zambrano, Peavy, Dempster, Marquis and then a 5th. I am a fan of another NL Central team, and that staff would be tough for a number of years, not just next year and then you lose Lilly, Marquis and Harden to FA.

"It's possible but I don't know what it would be."

True, in that this is not the place for this discussion, but take it from someone who studies econometrics (layman's terms, economic statistics), if you're doing a study and you have a hypothesis, you have an agenda. Manipulating statistics to prove or disprove a hypothesis is mere child's play and you'll understand how to do that after only an hous of study.

Lilly's got 2 years left, i think, and Harden's a FA after this year. but i don't honestly think the Padres would want either of those two for economic reasons. if they trade Peavy, it means they've decided to rebuild, and adding on those kinda of contracts makes no sense when they could just keep Peavy for the same money. i mentioned names like Marshall, Samardizja and Guzman becuase they still have arbitration years and so would be fairly inexpensive for the Padres to build around.

as for the Cubs farm system, they're pretty solid in the outfield overall... Tyler Colvin should make AAA this year. he plays CF and according to scouts had great potential as a power bat. we also got Sam Fuld, who's not exactly a top prospect but plays a very good outfield.

Not that this would EVER happen, but how bout Marquis (Cubs pay salary), Marshall - both proven starters - and Felix "dead weight" pie. Petco would be friendly to both fly ball pitchers and Pie's speed. Could you imagine a rotation of Peavey, Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly? Can you say best rotation ever in baseball? I think I just pooped.

Towers has been know to like Felix Pie, now I don't know if he still does but I could see a trade to the Cubs. Which ever combination of Guzman, Marshall, Ceda, and whoever else we have. I wouldn't say that this is going to happen, but I sure would love it.

Hey now, Pie isn't exactly a scrub, and not all cub fans are stupid. When Towers is known to like Pie obviosuly he isn't that bad. Plus you guys said this the last time about Rich Harden, and darn wouldn't you know what happened.

Redsfan obviously doesn't read the bulk of the posts... just saw the words Felix Pie and went ballistic. people who aren't just Cubs fans have said, repeatedly, that 1 : The Padres are looking for a CF and pitching prospects in return for Peavy. 2 : that Kevin Towers has, in the past, been known to like Felix Pie as a player. and, most importantly, 3 : that the Cubs would have to give up some really, really good pitching prospects in return, which even a Reds fan would have to admit the Cubs DO, in fact, have a few of those to offer because they have some very good starters already. Harden would not be in the deal, neither would Marquis most likely because the Padres would want multiple years of arbitration eligible players. yeah, we're Cubs fans, but i don't think that idea sounds too farfetched, especially since Peavy's given the Padres a limited list of people to deal with, one of which is Chicago.

"Redsfan obviously doesn't read the bulk of the posts... just saw the words Felix Pie and went ballistic."

Actually redsfan probably HAS read alot of posts and the reason he went ballistic is because of asinine cubs fans like yourself who have absoultely no idea what you are talking about.

First off Felix Pie blows, hear that, blows! The guy couldnt beat out Reed Johnson and oldman Edmonds, but yeah Kevin Towers is gushing about him, WRONG!! You are right about one thing, SD is looking for a good CF prospect...which EXCLUDES Pie. Accept it already cubs fans. Time to throw Pie in the pile of crap that already includes guys like Hee Sop Choi, Brooks Kieschnck, Corey Patterson, etc.

"that the Cubs would have to give up some really, really good pitching prospects in return, which even a Reds fan would have to admit the Cubs DO, in fact, have a few of those to offer because they have some very good starters already"

Wrong again! Tell me one good starter in the cubs farm system that SD would want. I'll give you a hint, NONE!! Very convenient of you to make a statement like that and then not name one player on the farm SD would be interested in.

"yeah, we're Cubs fans, but i don't think that idea sounds too farfetched"

Time to call out Aduncaroo ( i.e. one of the only wise cub fans out here) to put his fanbase in check again.

This is interesting
About the Cardinals
"club sources indicate Peavy's availability has loosened the organization's grip on younger talent."

<http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/9865E1F866E1CC16862574E6000C6100?OpenDocument

This is probably the most realistic scenario for a Braves trade for Peavey:

T. Hanson (best pitching prospect)
J. Schafer (stud CF prospect)
C. Rohrbrough (power lefty starter, probably 2nd best pitching prospect)
B. Lillibridge (can fill in at SS when the Pads let Khalil Greene walk)
and probably someone like Teheran (young pitcher with huge upside) to complete the deal

Personally, I don't want to see this happen as I feel 2009 is something of a lost cause with Timmy Hudson out most of the year, and Peavy having some injury questions after this past season... but if they were to pull off the deal and then sign maybe Derek Lowe and Adam Dunn/Pat Burrell to play left in the offseason, you could field a pretty good team that would (if healthy) compete for the wild card at the least...

Lineup:
Blanco/Anderson
Escobar
Chipper
McCann
Dunn/Burrell
Kotchman
French
K. Johnson

Rotation:
Peavy
D. Lowe
Jurrjens
Campillo
Morton/Reyes/Chuck James/Hampton etc.

this team on paper, along with what looks to be a solid bullpen, would be competitive next season, but I just don't agree with unloading our farm system again just to aquire a guy who "might" get us to the postseason...

It's a very tough call, because Peavey is great, fills a need, and has an outstanding contract.

nymforlife

Are you kidding me. I know some Phillies fans are crap but Mets fans are the most stupidest people I ever met. I cant believe a Met fan is saying this about another fan. All the Mets fans I know are way to caught up in the game. Just like Red sox fans, they actually think player or organizations give a crap about us. They always complain that if they played the time the Yankees played they would have the same World Series. Lets get it straight in the Mets pace they'll take 100 years for 6. Besides, they won a World Series on an error. And Im tired of people calling them the "Amazins". Yeah they amazingly suck.