Heilman Wants Starting Job Or Trade

Yeah, give me a break. I'm sick of this guy, get him out of here. He has the nerve, after that season, to demand anything? Trade his *ss right now

i think the mets should give him a chance as a starter. if we trade him now we are not going to get anything and everyone knows he is good when he is on. It's the Mets fault that they tried to make him into a reliever. they should of gave him more chances like they did with Pelf. i still think he could be a great starter

He had his chance to start way back in 03. He blew it. They moved him to the pen, where he was able to put together several years of productive pitching. Until last year, when he again blew it. Now he is complaining? He is lucky that he is making 1000x more money than I am.

Was very unlucky last year, still a great pitcher. Would love to bring him into Wrig.

WAAAAAAAAH!

Trade this guy...Im tired of seeing him pout on the mound whenever someone gets on base

DJ_Kurioo have you seen heilman pitch more than 10 times. He doenst have a reliable third pitch. He can make it once through a lineup but after that he will get smacked around. Sure if he had a 98mph heater maybe he could start and just overpower hitters. If he wants to start great, it is just not happening on the Met's. Huston Street would be a fantastic addition to the mets if they wanted to trade him in a deal involving Heilman. I believe most Met fans would be ecstatic.

Maybe if you had an ERA under 4, more than 2 pitches decent pitches (his slider is a beach ball), and didn't implode with men on base you would have a chance at starting.

Mets are looking for relievers that have experience closing, or just good young players in general. I think the most likely deal is Heilman and a prospect for Huston Street. Heilman would start for Colorado, and the Mets would get some bullpen help.

I truly doubt that any team interested in trading for Heilman is thinking of using him as a starter.

"He had his chance to start way back in 03. He blew it"

So every rookie in the history of baseball has to be amazing in their 1st season?

How many pitchers over the years have struggled through the first couple of seasons and then ended up going on to great careers as starters.

A change of scenery is needed forsure.

I would love guillen and buck. But castillo though I believe will not repeat his atrocious 08 cannot be counted on to play even a 120 games next year.

"So every rookie in the history of baseball has to be amazing in their 1st season?

How many pitchers over the years have struggled through the first couple of seasons and then ended up going on to great careers as starters.

A change of scenery is needed forsure."

Plenty have struggled, and plenty have come back to be great starters. But Heilman is not one of them.

Not sure why the Rockies would be interested. I would rather take my chances with Smith and De La Rosa at the back of the rotation.

Not that I want him, but Kenny Williams is good at finding guys who need a change of scenery. I just dont think the cell would work out for him.

Here's one... Royals trade John Buck and Jose Guillen to the Mets for Heilman and Castillo. could sub Teahen for Guillen, but that eliminates the headache/headache side of the deal.

Exactly why would the Royals do this? Do they have a need for 2nd baseman with no cartilige in his knees and who will miss 80 games a year and be paid 8 million per year for the next 3?

Do they need an emotionally spent reliever who whines about starting when he's lucky to have a job?

If this trade ever happened I'll be waiting for the Adam Eaton for Albert Pujols trade because that would be next.

"Mets are looking for relievers that have experience closing, or just good young players in general. I think the most likely deal is Heilman and a prospect for Huston Street. Heilman would start for Colorado, and the Mets would get some bullpen help.

Only if that prospect is F-Mart. Otherwise this trade is way off base."

That's simply untrue. Huston Street's value has plummeted. I think if the Mets offered something like Heilman and Tejeda or maybe Pena, the Rockies would think about it.

"im a huge mets fan and i personally would love to get edwin jackson for heilman and a lower tier prospect"

The Rays could assuredly get more from somewhere else.

What about Jackson and Fernando Perez for Heilman, Terry Evans, and Eddie Kunz?

Mets fans, relief pitching is notoriously unpredictable from year to year. Heilman had a bad year in '08 but you seem to be forgetting that he was pretty good the three previous years. Trade him away if you want but that's just one more hole you're going to have to fill, unless you think he fell off the cliff physically at age 29 and will never be the same again.

I wouldn't mind seeing him in the Cubs bullpen but if he's going to insist on starting with only two pitches he's going to be a problem and will end up in Lou's doghouse faster than Stevie Eyre did. If Heilman will accept being in the pen then I'm for it.

"I wouldn't mind seeing him in the Cubs bullpen but if he's going to insist on starting with only two pitches he's going to be a problem and will end up in Lou's doghouse faster than Stevie Eyre did. If Heilman will accept being in the pen then I'm for it."

I'd like him on the Cubs too, but in a bullpen role. That'd give them some serious power arms with Marmol, Shark, Gregg and Guzman.

And it's Scott Eyre.

"He should be a man and accept that his role (considering he's a 2 pitch pitcher) is out of the bullpen. Instead, he sulks like a baby. I'm sick and tired of watching this guy blow big game after big game."

Met fans are some of the most moronic people in the world. They are like one small step above monkeys. You all make me sick. Metzfan22, John Maine is a 2 pitch pitcher. Johan Santana is a 3 pitch pitcher that only throws 2 pitches, his slider is garbage. Mike Pelfrey throws one pitch. Oliver Perez throws 2 pitches. So don't give me some BS about how he only throws 2 pitches. Heilman throws more pitches then anybody the Mets had in their rotation. A 2 seamer, a 4 seamer, a changeup, and a slider. He has been solid for 3 years and after an injury plagued year we want to dump him for whatever we can get? Man you people are ignorant. These stupid Met fans act as arrogant and demanding as Yankee fans, without the 26 world series. You treat out players like crap and then wonder why star players want nothing to do with NY. Met fans have this sense of entitlement for absolutely no reason and it is just sickening. Most of the Met fan population are complete idiots. It takes fans of other teams to come up with the best plans for our players. Pretty sad.

"Mets are looking for relievers that have experience closing, or just good young players in general. I think the most likely deal is Heilman and a prospect for Huston Street. Heilman would start for Colorado, and the Mets would get some bullpen help.

Only if that prospect is F-Mart. Otherwise this trade is way off base."

The idea that a marginal relief pitcher like Huston Street could net Fernando Martinez is pure hilarity. I wouldn't give up Heilman straight up for Street.

I just do not see a purpose to that Royals trade on KC's end either, but obviously philswschamps was just saying how the trade was out of question with the remark. Which is true, the Royals would want no part. As for a trade market for Heilman, I have heard rumors of Colorado, Texas and maybe the Rays were interested at one point (might depend on whether he is relief or SP for them). If I was Omar, I would START with Heilman for Street or Heilman for Edwin Jackson/Sonnanstine... and see how much more it would take for each. Maybe something like Heilman, Evans, Parnell/Niece or prospect would be close for Street and or one of the two from Tampa? I am not sure his real trade value or what other teams think exactly. Anyone think Heilman/Evans/and prospect could get one of those two deals done?

To be fair nrmax, I think while Mets fandom includes lots of ignorance, it also includes some of the most well educated and articulate baseball fans in the world. Its not all internet trolls. The sense of entitlement has become overwhelming the last few years, but there are still plenty of Mets fans who would rather have an interesting, analytical baseball conversation than pontificate unreasonable and unfair scenarios.

And I do get where the anger comes from with Heilman. Statistically, the guy was an absolute workhorse for three years. No doubt about it. But he's been heavily relied upon for four years now, to play a very important role on the team, and in each of the last three years he has been a big let down when the season was on the line. 2006 was easy enough to forgive, there were plenty of other more responsible goats in that series. Then in 2007, he's giving up game winning HR to Pat Burrell at Shea in September. Okay, even that I can forgive, seeing as how otherwise he arguably had his best statistical season. But those two cases (along with a few others) made watching him struggle so mightily that much more frustrating to watch in 2008.

And while this may not be fair in a sense, his body language is atrocious. He LOOKS mopey on the mound, sometimes even when he's pitching well! I think that's where the "crybaby" misrepresentation comes from.

I'm not saying he's a valueless pitcher, but so much went wrong for him in a Mets uniform. Selling low is probably a big mistake, but giving him less responsibility and giving yourself other options for the late innings is a must. I wouldn't even mind if he had a shot at the rotation, but its just not going to happen.