Indians Rumors: Shoppach, Roberts, Street

"Hoynes implies the asking price for one year of Brian Roberts is Fausto Carmona and Asdrubal Cabrera. That won't work for the Tribe; they are looking to add a starter. "

I mean...really? McFail is pathetic. Now indians fans know how we Cubs fans felt last offseason

No kidding, might as well ask for Sizemore too, while you're at it. No chance of Roberts playing anywhere but B-More in 09 if he doesn't budge on the asking price.

I thought it was hilarious........

#10O'sFan,

Ok, you keep your player and get only the draft picks when he walks, which will help you, if ever, 4 years form now...

Is it musty in that cellar that you can't escape?

first of all, i like being in Baltimore and am glad to see the Orioles have a plan for once.. and i wasn't saying the Indians should take that deal or even that it was a fair package but it's not smart to trade Roberts just for the sake of trading him.. Now can we stop being immature aduncaroo?

I wouldn't trade fausto or asdrubal for anybody except matt holiday, and even then I probably wouldn't.

WOW!!.. A new and earth shattering posting from Indians beat writer, Paul Hoynes. He's got the scoop...

The indians needs are an infielder, a late inning bull pen guy and a starter! Does someone actually pay this guy to continually repeat the same stuff over and over and over? These exact pronouncements have been repeated and repeated and repeated.

I guess it's not plagurism if you copy your own drivel over and over..

HEY HOYNSIE?????

HOW ABOUT A NEW THOUGHT?.. Something creative..something that might actually have some value or meaning?

What say you?

I don't see that happening.. the Indians are better off moving him to first base rather than trading him.

I agree with AA- what is V-Mart worth, given his injured and unproductive 2008? In 2007 he was a super productive cleanup hitter. Given his ability to play 1B, V-Mart, Varitek (assuming he re-signs), Youk, Lowell and Ortiz could effectively cover c, 1b, 3b, and DH. What would it take to land him- Lugo (sox eat salary and indians shift Peralta to 3B), plus a prospect? Maybe send Coco back to Cleveland?

"Lugo (sox eat salary and indians shift Peralta to 3B), plus a prospect? Maybe send Coco back to Cleveland?"

Talk about a terrible deal for Cleveland. V-Mart, even off the injury, is worth a package of Delcarmen/Masterson/Lugo because of the salary relief and Cleveland's needs.

"I don't see that happening.. the Indians are better off moving him to first base rather than trading him."

It is easy enough to find a productive 1B. Hell, the Indians already get enough production out of CF to make up for the lack of a slugging 1B. Hell, Garko is plenty given their production from other guys like Sizemore and Choo.

"I mean...really? McFail is pathetic. Now indians fans know how we Cubs fans felt last offseason"

I dont know if pathetic is the right word, that said, I think it is safe to say that Roberts will not be a member of the cubs, white sox, indians or anyone other than the o's. Carmona and Cabrera, come on now.

McPhail will have to lower his demands to trade Roberts, that is correct.

But I mean, he did get what he wanted for Tejada and Bedard last offseason, so who wants to bet Roberts is elsewhere come next season.

The only position player from the Tribe that I would be interested in is Grady Sizemore and he isn't available, of course. Imagine what a bounty you could get for him, however.

If the team that gets roberts can sign him after they get him, he becomes much more valuable.. he is also a fan favorite nd incredibly charitable... that being said, carmona and cabrera does seem to be too much from the indians stand point.

To clarify, what I was suggesting was including a prospect such as Justin Masterson or the like, along with, yeah, Lugo and maybe Crisp. Is that so ridiculous an offer for a 30 year old catcher with health concerns coming off a lousy season, with 2 years left on his contract?

"To clarify, what I was suggesting was including a prospect such as Justin Masterson or the like, along with, yeah, Lugo and maybe Crisp. Is that so ridiculous an offer for a 30 year old catcher with health concerns coming off a lousy season, with 2 years left on his contract?"

Martinez had the one injured year. Otherwise, the guy has been an elite player at his position, belonging up there with Martin, Mauer and McCann (notice all the great catchers now start with M?). Adding to that, he is signed for all kinds of cheap for the next 2 years (if the team picks up his option, which is a lock).

Anyway, you have to give to get and Catcher is the only position on the field that rivals the value of SP when you can actually find an elite producer at the position. Then Indians need help in their 'pen and Lugo wouldn't be all that bad in that environment.

GoTribe-

The A's fan in me says Street for Asdrubal Cabrera. Done deal. I want Cabrera at shortstop. His dominance of lefties is also nice. Although, that's probably an unfair deal for the Tribe.

However, the logical side in me says that I don't think the A's and Tribe match up that well. Both squads need middle infielders. Both sides have outfielders, and ones that don't hit for much power. Trading Cabrera is not smart for the Tribe. I say pick up some low key relievers via FA/trade, and give Jensen Lewis (hahaha @ "Jenny") the "closer" job. Mark Shapiro is smart, and hopefully will not be overpaying for the closer.

And yeah, trading VMart or Shoppach with Hafner a huge question mark isn't really a smart idea IMO.

Micks,
I completely agree, but they can trade Cabrera and a prospect or two for Crosby and Street.

Carmona a throw in?!?! I guess while we're at it lets put VMart in the deal too, he's just a throw in as well. Though I agree with you that he may not have as good of a year again like he did in 07, he is still going to put up numbers that are close (and maybe better) later in his carrer since he is only 24. He still has a sinker that can be unhittable at times and his injury was to his hip, a non-arm related injury that will not affect his stuff later in his carrer.