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Mets Rumors: K-Rod, Dye, Vazquez

By Tim Dierkes [November 25, 2008 at 6:22pm CST]

6:22pm: According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, Minaya has reached out to K-Rod and Fuentes. He says the Mets prefer free agency to trading.

We also have a rumor from Joel Sherman of the New York Post. He says the Mets offered Aaron Heilman to the Rockies for Street shortly after Colorado acquired him. The Rox wanted the Mets to add Pedro Feliciano, and the Mets refused. MetsBlog has more insight into the team's plans.

1:33pm: Rounding up today's Mets rumors...

On Friday, David Lennon of Newsday said the Mets had received Francisco Rodriguez's medical records. He also had Omar Minaya saying the club's doctors were looking it over. However, Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post writes today that the Mets did not receive the records until yesterday afternoon. According to Hubbuch, the Mets told Paul Kinzer they'll get back to him after Thanksgiving regarding K-Rod.
Hubbuch names five other Mets targets: Brian Fuentes, Kerry Wood, Trevor Hoffman, J.J. Putz, and Huston Street.
Adam Rubin of the New York Daily News talked to Minaya, who said the Mets have not made offers to any free agents yet.
In case you missed it, Ken Rosenthal had several Mets nuggets in today's column. He said the Mets balked at Chicago's asking price for Jermaine Dye, and aren't enamored with Javier Vazquez. Rosenthal believes the Rays' Andy Sonnanstine "represents a more desirable target" for the Mets.
SI.com's Jon Heyman rattles off a list of the Mets' free agent targets, which does not include Manny Ramirez.

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What do the Mets have that the Rays could use NOW?

Andy Sonnanstine is a better pitcher than Edwin Jackson. He shouldn't be traded unless the Rays get back a piece that can be used now that would make dealing Sonnanstine over Jackson worthwhile, namely a RF/DH option. Ryan Church does not count, since he does not signify a major improvement over Gabe Gross.

The Mets need OF, and thus probably shouldn't be dealing OF anyways.

Posted by: melonis rex | November 25, 2008 at 11:02 AM

"Ryan Church does not count, since he does not signify a major improvement over Gabe Gross."

Yeah... only about 30 points in career BA...50 points in career OPS...

Posted by: stellar | November 25, 2008 at 11:05 AM

rays need a RH OF bat not church, his splits are horrible.

Posted by: CubFanRaysaddict | November 25, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Church is a good player, but he's basically a good platoon player, and his overall numbers look so good because he only bats against righties.

In terms of value though, the Rays could assuredly do better than that type of hitter for Sonnanstine. They could likely land a player similar in value to Dan Murphy for Sonny or Jackson, so I would guess that the Mets would have to give up Murphy for one of those two guys.

Posted by: scribbletone | November 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM

I could see a deal being done of Dye for Sonnanstine. I don't know if either side would feel it's enough for the other, but Sonnanstine is better than Jackson, and Dye is your power hitting right handed bat in the outfield.

Posted by: rype123 | November 25, 2008 at 11:27 AM

I like Sonnanstine and think he's a very capable pitcher. But I like Dye a whole lot more and would rather keep him for a few more years, moving him to DH after Thome leaves/retires.

After Phil Rogers article on ESPN though, makes me feel even more uneasy about any of my fave players on the Sox.

Posted by: whitesoxfan424 | November 25, 2008 at 11:34 AM

I would not do Dye for Sonnanstine.

Dye is a DH. NOT a RF. He shouldn't be playing RF, maybe LF is OK, but ideally, he's DHing. That immediately depreciates his value. Dye on the turf in the Trop looks like a recipe for injury.

Why do you give up a young pitcher (young, healthy starting pitchers are always in demand) just to pay 11MM to Dye, when I could go on the FA market and sign Giambi to DH for similar cost without giving up the pitcher. Yes, Dye is better than Giambi right now, but the difference is not great enough to warrant the trading of Sonnanstine.

I'd consider Jackson for Dye, but not Sonnanstine.

Posted by: melonis rex | November 25, 2008 at 11:35 AM

First and foremost, Church is an everyday OF. He played against RP & LP before his concussion. They only platooned him when he came back because he was struggling against all pitching.

Also Church is a significant upgrade defensively from gabe gross. I personally do not want to trade him for Sonnanstine because a bigger need for us is a RH OFer. If we trade him to the rays we will HAVE to either sign manny or trade for Lee. both things i am sure we are not thrilled about.

lastly, if the whitesox are asking for a young pitcher and 2+ prospects they wouldnt agree to just Sonnanstine. Not to mention the rays would probably like more than a 1yr expensive rental. they would be taking on all of Dye's 14MM contract.

Posted by: Fish&Mets | November 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM

As a Mets fan, I'm petrified of Church being our right fielder next year considering the way his two concussions were treated last year. I'm not a doctor by any means but everyone has seen players struggle from post-concussion syndrome (Corey Koskie, Trent Green, etc). I like Church and he was fantastic in the first month of the season before getting hurt, but .219/2/13 in 128 AB after the break and a whopping .209 in September leaves me worried but hopeful that he recovers properly.

Since the outfield market is fairly strong at the corners this offseason I would consider trading Church at a higher value now for a pitcher and get a free agent that offers more pop as a #5 or #6 hitter for this time. I like Church but I have my worries for his health.

Posted by: MattyMets | November 25, 2008 at 11:41 AM

"Church is a good player, but he's basically a good platoon player, and his overall numbers look so good because he only bats against righties. " - Scribs

Not true. If you watched the Mets at all this yr, Church led the team in April/May before freak injury sliding into 2b.

Church covers lots of ground and a rocket arm. Omar gave him a chance to prove his full time ability and he did. No way the Mets are moving him with their current lack of OF depth.

The major piece that the Mets would move for Jackson/Vazquez/Street/Putz would be a deal centered around Heilman + minor league pieces. A few of these teams still think Heilman could start, although the Rays would use him in the BP

Posted by: dwright | November 25, 2008 at 11:45 AM

How could someone named Putz possibly sign with a team other than New York?

Posted by: Little Bear | November 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM

0 chance Rangers make that trade

0 change White Sox make that trade

0 change Dodgers make that trade

How would any of those trades make the other teams better?

Posted by: thunder12k | November 25, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Kherub is the Mets version os Red Sox Dynasty or Baseball Guru or something. He has been around Metsblogs/ forums forever. Just a heads up.

Posted by: nrmax88 | November 25, 2008 at 01:40 PM

it must have been tough for you to actually propose those trades and not realize how ridiculous they would be. why would the dodgers give away a star in the making and a dominant reliever? why would they want nick evans? the trades you have proposed is pretty much the mets giving away expendable pieces and expecting the others teams to be as dumb as jim duquette.

Posted by: nate | November 25, 2008 at 01:41 PM

hmm Wilmer Flores on the bench, pretty amazing to come for the Applachian league and then a playoff run with the brooklyn cyclones to be on the bench of a MLB team. Must be nice to get rejected from a bar, but you can play a role on a Major league team.

Posted by: theJonathan | November 25, 2008 at 01:47 PM

Kherub: So the Mets unload all their garbage for good players? Turn off the PS3, come back to the real world.

Posted by: tsizzle | November 25, 2008 at 01:47 PM

i wouldnt consider ryan church garbage but he is definitely not on the same level that matt kemp is going to be. we'll see how duaner does this coming season before determining him garbage.

Posted by: nate | November 25, 2008 at 01:52 PM

I don't care who Kherub is...he has got a better chance of getting pregnant then any of those trades happening.

Wishful thinking Mets fans...

You will sign or trade for a big name of course...we'll see if it maybe it works this year

Posted by: BTz17 | November 25, 2008 at 01:57 PM

nrmax88, unfournately every team has it's own delusional fans.

Posted by: BadVlad | November 25, 2008 at 01:59 PM

khreub ike davis cant be traded becuase players just drafted from previous draft cant be dealt

Posted by: sprtsgy1989 | November 25, 2008 at 02:22 PM

I'm so glad you're not the GM.

Posted by: CitizenSnips | November 25, 2008 at 02:53 PM

Kherub, most of us posting are mets fans...and we all seem to agree that you're pretty delusional. Video Games work differently than reality, if you're players don't have much value to you in "real life", then they probably aren't highly valued by other teams either.

Posted by: SkiBolton | November 25, 2008 at 03:13 PM

And bob...who cares about how smart kenny williams is? This is a post about mets rumors.

Posted by: SkiBolton | November 25, 2008 at 03:14 PM

Kherub-

How do you know your teams win championships? Because you're a former GM?

Or because you play "against the computer, with the offsides off"?

Posted by: Andy K | November 25, 2008 at 03:15 PM

if the mets do end up signing k rod, or fuentes, then target a set up man such as huston street what do you guys think they would have to give up?

Posted by: jimbo77 | November 25, 2008 at 03:18 PM

I also try to be realistic. It has nothing to do with not wanting to win it has everything to do with the fact that posting ridiculous trades being a huge waste of time.

Posted by: CitizenSnips | November 25, 2008 at 03:21 PM

Jimbo:

I think that the Rox are content to keep Street right now. But, if the rumors that the Rox like Heilman as a starter, I would think it would take him plus a high prospect to get it done, and maybe one more; if nothing else, Street has a couple years until he hits free agency, and he has closing experience.

Posted by: Andy K | November 25, 2008 at 03:23 PM

Not only is it a waste of time, it just makes you look stupid. Most of the posters on this site seem to understand this, the rest seem to be of the 12 year old variety.

Posted by: SkiBolton | November 25, 2008 at 03:35 PM

Would the Mariners trade JJ Putz for Daniel Murphy? I think Murphy is at his highest value right now, and the Mets should get what they can for him. Putz would cost about $10 million less than Francisco Rodriguez for 2008. This would allow the Mets to have more money to spend on a starter, a set up reliever, or even an outfielder. Perhaps then they could go after Derek Lowe instead of someone like John Garland or Freddy Garcia. The Mets could then sign Putz to an extension starting in 2009. They will have enough money to do this because Billy Wagner would be off of the payroll. What do you think?

Posted by: viteminj | November 25, 2008 at 03:44 PM

I don't know if the Mariners would make that trade, but there is no way I would as a Met fan. No chance at all. There are 4 good options on the free agent market. There are other trade possibilities that wouldn't cost you Murphy. I don't get why you would want to trade the one player on your team that actually has an approach on the offensive side, and the one good young, cost controlled offensive player on your team just to get a rent-a-closer coming off a horrible injury plagued season, one year away from free agency, and who will likely demand something similar to what you would have to pay K-Rod (if he has a season good enough for you to even consider keeping him, either way, it's a loss).

I think signing K-Rod to anything more then a 3 year deal for 36 million is an awful, awful idea. But I think trading Murphy for JJ Putz is an even worse one. Kerry Wood, Trevor Hoffman, Brian Fuentes, K-Rod, Huston Street, Jose Valverde, these are all guys that you could get without involving Murphy. Just makes no sense to me.

Posted by: nrmax88 | November 25, 2008 at 03:55 PM

Kherub had a lot of free time today. Must've gotten laid off. Damn economy

Posted by: thunder12k | November 25, 2008 at 04:02 PM

nrmax- Agreed. Murphy doesn't go for a closer. Murphy shouldn't be untouchable (I want to play him at 2B though), but he shouldn't be traded for a closer.

Posted by: melonis rex | November 25, 2008 at 04:06 PM

I doubt he got laid off...most 12 year olds don't have jobs.

Posted by: SkiBolton | November 25, 2008 at 04:09 PM

Here's for the guy asking about Street:

http://www.metsblog.com/2008/11/25/relief-pitcher-mets-offered-heilman-for-street/

Posted by: Andy K | November 25, 2008 at 04:12 PM

idk if i would trade murphy for putz, i mean don't get me wrong i like putz and all but i think murphy is going to be a good player and i dont think trading him for maybe one year of putz would be a great idea.

Posted by: jimbo77 | November 25, 2008 at 04:12 PM

I swear that Kherub LIVES!!! is really BaseballGuru in disguise. He simply changes his name and then continues with his condescending rants.

Let's look at your first trade. You have:
METS GET - Matt Kemp, Hong Chih-Kuo
METS GIVE - Ryan Church, Brian Schnieder, Duaner Sanchez, Nick Evans

First, we have Ryan Church. A player coming in to his age 30 year. He has played over 100 games TWICE in his entire career. His OPS split is more than 100 points (facing righties instead of lefties) and he is coming off major injuries. Church is a decent, at best, outfielder who really should be platooning.

Second, you have Schnieder who is a backup catcher at best. He can post you a solid sub 700 OPS and is going to a team that doesn't need a catcher. He's of no worth to the Dodgers. Oh yeah - he also costs $5m for next year.

Third, you have Sanchez who is a good 7th inning guy but not much more than that. An arm that can be had via FA for maybe $2m/year.

Finally, you throw in Nick Evans. A LF/1B who managed to post a career 814 OPS in premium offensive positions. He's a decent prospect but hardly anything to get to excited about. He had spent his first 4 seasons in A ball. Had a great half season in AA and then was moved to the bigs where he posted a very Brian Schneider like 700 OPS.

So, the Mets are giving up a very overpaid back-up catcher, a righty platoon hitting OF, a prospect with some upside, and a 7th inning reliever for Matt Kemp? A top prospect who posted a near 900 OPS in 2007? A guy who hit 18 HR's, stole 35 bases and played solid defense in CF? Then you throw in Kuo and his 2.14 ERA for good measure.

This is an absurd trade proposal no matter how you look at it.

Posted by: bjsguess | November 25, 2008 at 05:55 PM

Kherub,

I'm surprised with all your deals that you couldn't have gotten Pujols for the Mets first baseman in the Dominican Summer League. You know they're both Dominican. that seems fair to me.

Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 25, 2008 at 06:10 PM

To Kherub:

If you want to discuss fantasy trades, how about...

Mets get: Ichiro, Putz, Bedard
Seattle gets: Heilman, F-Mart, Church, Schoenweiss, Evans

After writing that out, I laughed because it's more realistic than some of your trade proposals. Seattle dumping salary like woah.

Reyes, Ichiro one two in a lineup would be devastating though lol. I can dream.

Posted by: MrMet | November 25, 2008 at 06:22 PM

Schneider is a big upgrade for them at Catcher

Alright there Kherub did you not know that the marlins called up mid-year John Baker and he played about half the time of Schneider and had better stats and is controllable for what 6 years?

Are you sure you're not Omar Minaya in disguise???

Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 25, 2008 at 06:43 PM

Seriously, you guys.

Nobody got anywhere by "feeding" BaseballGuru or RSD.

They're all the same. Don't feed 'em.

Posted by: melonis rex | November 25, 2008 at 06:45 PM

alright Melonis rex,

you're right. I just wasn't around all day and he would've been fun to play with.

Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 25, 2008 at 06:58 PM

As a Rockies fan, I'm glad the Mets front office is insane. Street is/will be better than Heilman and Feliciano. That's a terrible trade for the Rockies.

Posted by: mkorpal | November 25, 2008 at 07:03 PM

I really hope that was not a true counter offer from the Rockies and Omar said no. Hm, there has to be something else, or if it was a true counter offer, then the Met's should come back to it after signing K-Rod.

If the Rockies are serious and Minaya does not pull the trigger, he is nuts. Lefty specialists can be had, and during the season if that.

Heilman + Shoenweiss (picked up half his contract)
for Street? If not Feliciano should not hold that up.

Posted by: MrMet | November 25, 2008 at 07:11 PM

Heilman + Show for Street is a HORRIBLE trade for the Rockies.

I agree that Heilman should rebound. However, Street is worth MUCH more than Heilman and a LOOGY.

Posted by: melonis rex | November 25, 2008 at 07:45 PM

Kherub,

You're delusional if you think your Mets-Marlins-Dodgers trade is a viable option. We can just start with the Marlins and leave it at that. The ONLY reason they would trade Uggla is to lower payroll. Does Schnieder or Church help? No. In case you haven't noticed how the Marlins structure their trades, they get minor league pitchers.
I don't even need to talk about any other part of the trade. But if Uggla was going to be traded to the Dodgers it wouldn't involve the Mets. The Marlins would probably ask for James McDonald and Scott Elbert for starters.

Posted by: DodgersBruin | November 25, 2008 at 07:52 PM

Heilman and Feliciano for Street is a terrible trade for the Rockies too, that is why I cannot believe those rumors. Why would Minaya turn that down and look to other options? Does not add up

Posted by: MrMet | November 25, 2008 at 08:27 PM

I also do not see Uggla in any way involved with the Mets, even if it was to spin him off somewhere else. I think Kherub was playing MLB The Show for Playstation when he got those trades to work out.

Posted by: MrMet | November 25, 2008 at 08:28 PM

Kherub LIVES!!!

you must of offended your ps3 with that proposal.

Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 25, 2008 at 09:05 PM

Mets Offseason Moves:
Sign a Closer:
*Francisco Rodriguez* or Brian Fuentes
Rebuild the Pen:
Trade:
Heilman and Feliciano to the Rockies (if rumor is true) for *Huston Street* they would be fleecing the Rockies...
Sign a lefty to replace Feliciano
(Noatables)
*Joe Biemel*, Darren Oliver, Will Ohman
*Designate Schoenwise for assignment* and sign either:
Juan Rincon, *Arthur Rhodes*, Ron Villone
Keep *Duaner Sanchez* he was one of the top set up men in baseball before he got injured and i feel we should sell low on him...
Work on *Dan Murphy* in LF make him our everyday left fielder right out of the gate with a few games platooning with Tatis/Evans
Trade for or sign a catcher:
*Jason Varitek* (now i know he is old and doesnt hit as much as in orevious years but this guy is a leader which the mets desperately need and he would bring era of the pen and starters down a lot)
Ivan Rodriguez (maybe just popular because of the name i dont see a fit)
Gerald Laird ( I think he would be a nice addition i read once that he would be an upgrade over Castro which is questionable but his offense is better than Schneider and he did throw out more baserunners so yes a fit is plausible)
Bengie Molina (dont pursue a trade for him since i believe his contract expires after this season)
Keep Luis Castillo at 2B he may surprise people but just in case sign a feasible backup like *Nick Punto*or Luis Rivas

Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | November 25, 2008 at 09:39 PM

My 2009 NY Mets:
C Jason Varitek and Brian Schneider
FB: Carlos Delgado
SB: Luis Castillo and Nick Punto
TB: David Wright
SS: Jose Reyes
LF: Dan Murphy and Fernando Tatis or Nick Evans
CF: Carlos Beltran
RF: Ryan Church and Endy Chavez

SP: Johan Santana
SP: Mike Pelfry
SP: Oliver Perez
SP: John Maine
SP: Jon Niese or Andy Sonnanstine if possible

RP Francisco Rodriguez
RP Huston Street
RP Joe Biemel
RP Joe Smith
RP Arthur Rhodes
RP Duaner Sanchez
RP Eddie Kunz
RP Bobby Parnell

*SIDE NOTE*
I am really hoping that the Mets take a chance on Donald Veal of the Cubs, Alan Horne of the Yankees, or Tim Stauffer of the Padres in the Rule 5 draft

Posted by: Rolling{Night}Hawk{09} | November 25, 2008 at 09:49 PM

"We also have a rumor from Joel Sherman of the New York Post. He says the Mets offered Aaron Heilman to the Rockies for Street shortly after Colorado acquired him. The Rox wanted the Mets to add Pedro Feliciano, and the Mets refused."

How is Feliciano, a career LOOGY, the reason we did not get Street. Although I still have faith in Heilman as a starter if we could get street for Heilman and Feliciano it would be a steal. It ships out two people from a terrible bullpen and brings in a young cheap setup man/closer so we can spend our money on starting pitching. It would also give us leverage on the Krod Fuentes negotiations.

If this is true and the Mets didn't trade for Street because he wouldn't include Feliciano Omar should be fired.

Posted by: tinski | November 25, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Reds get Mat Kemp,Jermaine Dye,
White sox get Ching lung hu,Ryan freel,prospect
Dodgers get Ryan Church,Alex Cintron, Carlos Beltran
Mets get Russel Martin

were not trading martin. period..

were defiantly not trading martin, kemp, and hu for ryan church, cintron(i mean seriously) and carlos beltran(who is owed a ton of money) come on.

and the reds trade freel, and a prospect and get matt kemp and jermaine dye?

what the hell

Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 25, 2008 at 11:21 PM

dude isnt cintron on the Os?

Posted by: 661dodgerblue | November 25, 2008 at 11:26 PM

The Mets actually think their gonna be able to get Street for only that garbage Heilman?I wouldn't mind giving up Feliciano he wasn't that great last year either.

Posted by: JT89 | November 26, 2008 at 12:35 AM

Street had a 109 ERA+ last season, Feliciano had a 104 ERA+ last season. Why would the Mets give up a solid reliever, plus another piece with value, for someone who was only slightly above-average last year? And you can't play the off-year card for Street, because that applies to both Feliciano and Heilman as well.

Posted by: AdropOFvenom | November 26, 2008 at 06:54 AM

with all this talk of STreet to the Mets has anyone considered if he'd be OK being a set up guy? He's been closing for years. I know he lost his closer job in August but he had a strong September. Don't you think he might not be happy setting up? Just thinking out loud here.

Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 26, 2008 at 07:20 AM

AdropOFvenom,

yes and Street had an off year last year too.

And since when is Feliciano "SOLID". His ERA has dropped each of the last two years and Heilman is quickly proving he can't play in New York. Could he turn it around, ya its possible, but a trade of Feliciano and Heilman for Street clearly favors the Mets.

Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 26, 2008 at 07:24 AM

Kherub LIVES!!! posted:

"If the Dodgers could add Dan Uggla and Nick Evans while trading from a position where they've got options I think they'd jump on it. I personally think the Dodgers LOVE the idea of adding Dan Uggla for Matt Kemp essentially. Uggla hit 32 homers last year. Kemp hit 18. The Dodgers need a middle infielder more than an Outfielder...seems like a no brainer..."

seems like a no brainer that if the Dodgers wanted Uggla for Matt Kemp that they could deal with the Marlins directly and not need any crappy prospects from the Mets. The Marlins have a much better farm system than the Mets and don't need Nick Evans.

Posted by: Looney4Baseball | November 26, 2008 at 08:35 AM

Personally, I wouldn't trade Heilman for Street, Feliciano or not. I don't care what they do with Feliciano, but I don't trust Street. I always thought he was a bit overated, and then there are the injuries. I realize that it is not the general consensus, but I personally like Heilman more then Street. The only thing that sways me is the age/team control differences.

Posted by: nrmax88 | November 26, 2008 at 11:50 AM

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