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Perrotto's Latest: Free Agent Predictions

John Perrotto has his Every Given Sunday column up over at Baseball Prospectus. Perrotto offers a list of some educated guesses as to where some of the top free agents in baseball will land, with some surprises here and there. Let's take a look:

  • Perrotto lists the Yankees loading up on starting pitching, landing C.C. Sabathia and Derek Lowe, while the Dodgers land Manny Ramirez after doubling their initial offer to four years, $100MM.
  • Perrotto says the Nationals will land Mark Teixeira, as they could be prepared to offer Teixeira - a Maryland native - ten years, $200MM. Turning down that kind of money would certainly be difficult.
  • Perrotto has Adam Dunn landing on the North Side of Chicago and having an adventurous time in right field for the Cubs. According to these predictions, he'll be joined by Ryan Dempster and Kerry Wood - neither of whom are going anywhere.
  • Perrotto feel Andy Pettitte won't be back with the Yankees, and feels that he will either take a below-market contract from his hometown Astros or retire. He also pegs Mike Mussina to likely retire, but agrees he'll be back with the Yankees if he does indeed make a run at 300 wins.
  • Other predictions from Perrotto: Raul Ibanez  and Francisco Rodriguez to the Mets, Milton Bradley to Toronto, Orlando Cabrera to Minnesota, Casey Blake back to Cleveland, A.J. Burnett to the Orioles, Brian Fuentes to the Angels, Nick Punto to St. Louis, Randy Johnson to the Angels, Jason Giambi to Oakland, and Orlando Hudson to the Mets.
  • The list of players who will end up back with their current teams: Ben Sheets, Bobby Abreu, Pat Burrell, Jamie Moyer, and Jason Varitek, on a two-year $20MM contract, courtesy of Scott Boras.


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This idiot DOESNT think Andy will be back with the yanks? Is he stupid?

No mention of the Braves whatsoever? A little strange given the 40ish million they have to spend. Yet another example of ATL being undervalued I guess.

This guy is rediculous! Tex is not going to the Nationals! I mean that would be like A-Rod signing with the Royals. It just doesnt make sense.
The Yankees would easily match that deal if need be, but I dont even see washington comming up with that kind of money.

No Red Sox? Mark Teixeira going to the Nationals? Wow.

Seriously, so the Braves are just going to spend 45M on Smoltz, Glavine, and a box of rocks? I bet they get one of Lowe, Burnett, or Dempster.

Most of these are reasonable...its very hard to predict a scenario while satisfying every team. I just hope Mets dont sign Ibanez...that'd be horrible

Saw this in the Herald:

On the latter, the Sox are doing a good job of obfuscating the intensity of their interest in Teixeira, who is going to be hotly pursued by the Yankees, Orioles and Angels as well. . .

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2008_11_09_The_infield_shift_is_on:_Shortstop_position_losing_power/

so i assume you have peavy going to the braves

The Mets are more likely to sign Derek Lowe than Raul Ibanez and Orlando Hudson.

You guys are throwing around some harsh words here. The Nats have ZERO star power in a new stadium and a major media capital. They would absolutely throw $200 mil at Tex if needed. As a Yanks fan I don't want to see the Yanks throw more than 6 years and $22 million to Tex. I also, would prefer we pass on Lowe. I'd prefer CC as the #1 pic we must have and as a 2nd starter either Burnett, Perez or Mussina/Pettite.

CC
Wang
Perez
Joba
Hughes

If Joba can stay healthy and Hughes starts to perform that can be the starting rotation for at least the next 3 years.

HAHA he says, RIGHT ABOVE TEIXEIRA'S POST, the Nationals don't have enough money to think about Manny, then says they will cough up 10 years, 200 mil for Teixeira...he's an idiot

By the way, does anyone know a really good FREE website that provides detailed scouting info for major and minor league players?

This guy is an idiot. Teixeira has expressed interest in playing for a contending team. So what if Teix is from maryland. He wants to win a championship like many other ballplayers do. He's so loaded already that he will only consider offers from good teams like the Yanks and Angels.

This guy seems to think that the Yankees want Derek Lowe. Cashman doesn't want him. Sabathia makes sense, but I think he will be a dodger. Dodgers need starting pitching just as much as the Yankees this offseason.

Who's taking this clown seriously? Tex will not go to the Nats...give me a break.

I think Cashman should be camping outside of CC's home in Cali come Nov 14th like a gushing 14 year old girl waiting in line for Justin Timberlake tickets. Just waiting for the CC free agent sale to begin. I wonder if he will just blow out an offer like 6 years/$150 million just to ward off any other team and make it that clear that the Yanks want him most?

Tex to the Nationals makes no sense at all. Why would he go to a horrible team when he could go to the Yanks Red Sox, Orioles or Angels for the same money. Also I doubt the Nats are dumb enough to do what the Rangers did and have one player be your entire payroll.

Tex will play where the money is. Does that mean he goes to Washington, I don't think so, but 10 years, he could. He will leave LAA b/c Boras will ignore the Angels offer.

I think you guys are mistaken. It was mentioned a few weeks ago that Tex is VERY, VERY aware of baseball s a business and was mad when another teamate took a lesser offer from their "home" team instead of taking the best offer that was made. The idea is that when you take the highest offer you set a recedent for other players. Also, if the Yanks, Red Sox, Angels don't make an offer close to $200 mil then who would? I can't see either of those teams offering more than $150 mil.

Wow...pardon the typos. My button got stuck. Should have read precedent.

Has anyone else noticed this pattern? The Red Sox are always mentioned with major Free Agents. This is obvious.

This is not the pattern I was talking about, but the real pattern is that when the Red Sox have legitimate interest, it is rarely known.

Daisuke Matsuzaka is a fine example, as is J.D. Drew.

The Red Sox are known to have interest in Mark Teixeira but as most people have read, he is "most likely" going to stay in Los Angeles or sign with the Yankees.

Needless to say, I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox end up with Teixeira.


This post mainly reflects the article that was written in todays Herald:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2008_11_09_The_infield_shift_is_on:_Shortstop_position_losing_power/

DrNo990, do you see the Orioles as not a horrible team?

Dunn in right field at Wrigley would be really tough to watch...

Regardless, if the Yankees REALLY want Tex, I don’t think they will let themselves be out bid. But thinking more deeply about this, would the Yanks be more insulted if they got outbid by a bottom dwelling team like the Nationals, or a rival like the Orioles or Red Sox?

Has Adam Dunn ever played any 1B?

Might be an adequate consolation prize for NYY if they lose on the Teixeira sweepstakes.

I like who he has for the Mets. K-Rod, Ibanez, and Hudson. Nice.

GeneseoMC20,

I truly think that with the Yankees focusing on SP that a team like the Red Sox could make an aggressive attempt to sign him.

Many people believe that C.C. is going to sign for about 20 million at the most, and that is a complete joke.

He will command a better annual salary then Santana, I guarantee it.

The Yankees will also want one more starter. They could sign Derek Lowe for 3 years 45 million possibly, but AJ Burnett and Ryan Dempster SHOULD command more than that.

The Yankees will be in on a lot of key Free Agents, including Manny Ramirez.

That being said, are they going to target Mark Teixeira? Sure. Are they going to have the motivation to spend their money on SP or Teixeira? That's the question.

I still thinks he resigns with the Angels.

I don't think Cash would let his ego get in the way of doing something he doesn't want to do like commiting $200 million 10 year deal. With the money they have invested in Arod, potentially CC and a #2 pitcher as well as resigning Jeter soon they could have $110 going towards 5 guys. I can't see them doing another deal like they did with Giambi. I can see them giving Tex more money annually but less years (6 year/$25 mill per).

The O's might have finished with the 5th worst record in baseball but they are not a horrible team as some have suggested. They have one of the better farm systems in baseball led by the best prospect in baseball Matt Wieters. They also have some good young talent to build around in Markakis, Jones and Guthrie as well as one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball in Brian Roberts. You also forget that the O's have plenty of money to spend as they could operate at over $100 million year in year out. Tex coming to them wouldn't just be about money it would be because a. he thought they were a team on the rise b. because he's from Maryland.

While I do see Tex not coming to the Nats b/c of their record they def. can afford him. And in many ways they can afford him more than the Yankees can. Yes I realize they have the YES network and the new stadium gives them almost unlimited revenue potential but the Nats aren't exactly in the poor house. They too have a new stadium and if they had players of the ilk of Teixera then they would have much higher ticket sales. Not to mention the additional revenue from more people in the stadium, concessions, Merch, parking. On top of that Merchandise sales of Tex jerseys. Tex truly is the type of FA that pays for himself (no not fully but if you spend that $20 million a year on 4 mid level FA's they wouldn't bring back the same type of money). The Yankees on the other hand are already going to have the leagues highest attendance and will sell out most nights with or without tex. And yes yankee fans will buy Tex shirts and jerseys but the Yankees Merch market is already pretty full with Arod, Jeter, Rivera, Damon, Posada, Joba ect. Also in terms of actual money I just don't see the Yankees wanting to add another 8-10 year contract at $20 million a year to their infield. I also think there is a question of what happens if Posada can't catch and needs to move to 1B? The team has already spent $145 million next year and almost none of it on their pitching staff (with the obvious exception of Wang and Rivera) that has to be addressed first CC alone is not the answer.

I can't come up with any reasonable scenario where the Mets sign BOTH Raul Ibanez and Orlando Hudson. Daniel Murphy is more then ready to play one of those positions next year for near-minimum and frankly will likely play just as well as either of them.

I also can't come up with any reasonable scenario where the Mets DO NOT sign a Starting Pitcher. They need at least one high-end starter to compliment Santana, Pelfrey, and Maine. You can't go into next season hoping to get 2 quality starters out of Jonathon Niese, Jason Vargas, and Bobby Parnell. They will come away with one of those starters.

the yankees will go after Tex and hard. they have the void at first base and are going into this free agent period with Posada as the catcher. first base ages well. Giambi isnt coming back because he cant hit anymore. a big contract to Tex isnt as bad as the contract for Giambi since at that time his defense was a concern. there focus on Pitching shouldnt get in the way of the Tex pursuit. what cash cant do 2 things at once? the top FA pitchers they are looking at (CC and Burnett) have both said that they want to get it over with ASAP. Tex, a Boras client, wont sign until christmas or new years.

Steveo26,

You mention very realistic points. The one that has slipped passed me and most of the baseball world is that, at one point Posada WILL have to move to 1B.

I just cannot vision Posada behind the plate for very much longer. He couldn't even throw down to 2B. Granted, he did have surgery- he is just getting too old to remain behind the plate. 1B is a great place to keep his bat in the lineup without clogging DH.

If the Yankees have the motivation, they definitely can get this deal done. I think Hank wants Teixeira, but Cashman being the only sane man in the FO, will use reasoning to tell Hank that it would be better to invest in starting pitching.

GeneralManager,

Where are you guys going to put Posada? Sure the Yankees have a hole at 1B now, but Posada will have to go to 1B.

As far as I'm concerned, I believe the Yankees will communicate with Boras about Teixeira, but in the end will not have the motivation to go after him.

Catcher then to DH. id rather have a Gold Glover there then someone with little experience.

Baseball is a business, and no man is going to turn away a 200 million dollar contract. If the Nationals can offer him a 200 million dollar contract, Tex' isn't going to shun them just because they are mediocre right now. You guys do realize that it is very possible to have the worst teams right now become playoff teams in the next 2-3 years, right?

What then of Matsui?

Yankee OFers:

Nady
Matsui
Damon
Melky/Gardner

And possibly Abreu. This is a very packed Yankees OF.

Benjie Molina, by the way, has more than a little experience.

Again, I'm not saying that the Yankees won't sign Teixeira, all I'm saying is that they may have less motivation that once previously thought.

so the braves have 45 million to spend but there not ganna sign one of the top 20 FAs... highly unlikely

yeah thats this year. Abreu's most likely not coming back. Matsui and Damon are gone after next season.
They have plenty of motivation. they need him for the middle of the lineup and in the field.

The Twins can only sign OCab if he's cheap and the White Sox don't offer him arb. He's not worth the draft pick. And even then I won't like it.

I guess it does remain to be seen whether or not Ocab and ERenteria get offered arb.

"so the braves have 45 million to spend but there not ganna sign one of the top 20 FAs... highly unlikely"

I agree that there is almost no way that happens, unless they were to settle for signing like, Jon Garland and Juan Rivera. They'll likely be in the bidding for guys like Lowe, Sheets and Dempster, and they may persue an offensive upgrade in the outfield as well

And how do the Mets figure to sign Rodriguez, Hudson and Ibanez, unless they manage to get some extra cash from somewhere, or don't address the rotation at all and go with something like Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, Niese and Heilman/Cheap FA.

"Has Adam Dunn ever played any 1B?"

Yes. He actually played there quite a bit after going to the D'Backs and after Upton returned.

"Baseball is a business, and no man is going to turn away a 200 million dollar contract. If the Nationals can offer him a 200 million dollar contract, Tex' isn't going to shun them just because they are mediocre right now."

Get back to me when CC Sabathia signs with the Brewers/Dodgers/Angels for less money than the Yankees offer him.

The reason that, if I am Tex, I consider the Nats is that they don't have a real marque name. Meanwhile, Tex is a great player but has always flown under the radar in a Rafael Palmeiro kind of way. Going to a team with no other stars would go a long way toward helping his marketability.

"The Twins can only sign OCab if he's cheap and the White Sox don't offer him arb. He's not worth the draft pick. And even then I won't like it.

I guess it does remain to be seen whether or not Ocab and ERenteria get offered arb."

Cabrera will definitely be offered arb. He has no interest in staying in Chicago and he has enough value in his name to get a good multi-year deal equal to the one he got from the Angels 3 years ago. This is especially true in this weak SS market.

Look...the aruguement has never been SP or 1B. They Yanks want to improve on both and can afford to both with top notch acquisitions. However, I don't think the Yanks see the wisdom in investing $200 million in a first baseman. Honestly, speaking Posada is not going to play 1B. He has made it clear that he will be ready by spring training. He didn't have major arm surgery, has never been on the DL before and is always in top notch shape. He's not going to be a Carlton Fisk kind of 40 but much more like a Julio Franco kind of 40. I'm not too worried about him being able to catch 120 games a year.

THis kid Montero looks like the real deal and I know the Yanks are going to find space for him at either C or 1B. So they will go hard after Tex but they are not in a must "have him" mode like they are for CC, Burnett, etc. If Tex can't be had then I see them going in house (Nady, Miranda, E. Duncan or S. Duncen) or with a 2 year stop gap (Millar or Garciapara). If the Yanks sign 2 major free agents this year (CC and either Burnett or Perez) then I can see them dangling a couple of pitching prospects (Kennedy, Sanchez, Horn, Marquez or Cox) to the Pirates (I hate making them sound like the minor league farm team for big Market teams) for LaRoche and then extend him or maybe Victor Martinez from the Indians.

"This guy is rediculous! Tex is not going to the Nationals! I mean that would be like A-Rod signing with the Royals. It just doesnt make sense."

Yeah, it isn't like A-Rod signed a megadeal with an awful team before coming to NY. You make it too easy.

scribble. why would the Met's NOT have the Cash to do all 3? They're moving into a new stadium as well and can spend as much as the Yanks if they wanted.

nrmax:

Yeah it's not like they have the same agent or anything...oh wait they do. Scott Boras. Scott Boras is like a rap stars "baby mama". He's going to get his piece of the pie and then some.

?I just cannot vision Posada behind the plate for very much longer. He couldn't even throw down to 2B. Granted, he did have surgery- he is just getting too old to remain behind the plate. 1B is a great place to keep his bat in the lineup without clogging DH."

forget that Yankees play in the AL?

Boras lets the market develop for his clients, so to the guy who said cashman will have troubles focusing on more than one areas at once, we need smiley faces here; my best try ¿:|

As much as I would like to see Manny back with the Dodgers I have a feeling they are going to let him walk. If they dont get Manny there is no way in hell they will let CC sign with some other team.

i must have wrote this 100 times but i will write it again.............
DEREK LOWE IS A BUMM! .....
Q:Where dose he pitch?
A: the NL west

Q: Where do the yankees play?
A: The AL east

this would be a jump from the easiest division in base ball to the toughest....if you think he would have a sub 4.50 era in the AL east you a idiot......if you think he would produce more then 10 wins in the AL east your an idiot......if you give him a contract worth more them 12 million for 2 years your an idiot...(that goes for any team that is not in the NL west)......furthermore he pitches half his game in dodger stadium.....he pitches at least half his games against the Padres,Rockies,Giants,D-back these are teams that cant hit their way out of a paper bagg.

now make mussina an offer he cant refuse.....you know he will stay healthy and he will be a rock solidifying the middle of the rotation.....sign peditte as your 5 starter
the rotation should look like this

sabathia
wang
mussina
JOBA
Peditte

now Texiera must absolutly MUST be signed......or the yankees will not have a #3 hitter

pick up a solid 4 outfeilder like baldelli and you can platoon him every couple of days in cf and lf

if the yankees sign derek lowe im going to smash my tv to peices with a baseball bat this guy is a old ageing bumm
i dont know if anyone remembers but he was pitching so bad in the first half of the season that the dodgers were looking to move him at the trade deadline .....the yankees were deciding on him or washburn 2 bumms.....stay away form these guys they will only burn you oin the long run..........and dont say "oh well he pitched good for boston" well that was 5 years ago people age and boston let him go for that reason.........good bye

"scribble. why would the Met's NOT have the Cash to do all 3? They're moving into a new stadium as well and can spend as much as the Yanks if they wanted."

It's not that they can't afford all three. They can. But if they do, it would likely imply that they were going with the rotation as it is currently constructed, and to me that is a mistake. Santana, Maine and Pelfrey is a solid 1-3, but adding a 4th quality starter, such as Lowe or even Burnett or Garland, would make much more sense than adding someone like Orlando Hudson, whose defense is overrated and wouldn't be a big time offensive upgrade over Murphy.

Which Tex is shopping for a deal this winter?


July 13, 07: Dallas News:

He said the Rangers haven't talked to his agent, Scott Boras, about a contract extension. Teixeira said his "ears are always open" if the Rangers want to talk about it. But it's clear he wants to compete in the postseason.

"No player is going to sign up with a team knowing they are going to lose," Teixeira said. "When a player has the chance, they're going to go with a winner."

Teixeira dismissed concerns about Boras scaring away the Rangers or any team because of previous contracts. Teixeira added that Boras works for him, not the other way around.

"You never hear teams that win World Series with Scott Boras clients on their rosters complain," Teixeira said. "When I was drafted out of Georgia Tech, Scott Boras told Tom Hicks that I was going to be a big-time hitter for his team. I think that worked out pretty well.

New York Post blog: OCt 7, 2008

If you read the column, you will see there is criticism of Teixeira as a team guy. One ex-teammate described Teixeira as exceedingly bright. This ex-teammate said Teixeira has a mastery of contracts and the baseball marketplace that only furthers the perception of the first baseman as the ultimate Scott Boras client. The ex-teammate said, "Mark would berate a teammate for taking an undervalued contract, telling him that hurt every player's leverage in negotiations. But he wouldn't say a word to a teammate who didn't run out a pop up. That is my problem with him."

Yankee fans have lost it.

Posada has THREE years left on his contract. He is coming off major surgery. And he is a 37 year old catcher. When you add all those factors up it does not bode well for penciling Posada in at C.

I don't care what he says or how well rehab is going. The fact is that people scoffed at the deal LAST YEAR, before he was hurt. Now, in his condition, you had better make sure DH or 1B is open or you will be paying $14m/year for a guy to ride pine.

The Nats have some decent up-and-coming prospects. Nothing too amazing, but they could be able to hit .500 this season with him if the right players get healthy and the young guys improve. Tex could go down in history as the guy who turned the Nats from a loser to a winner. Or he could go down in history as the guy who played first base for the Yankees after Jason Giambi.

bjsguess:

It's not as big of a deal as you make it out to be. Matsui is going to be our DH this year. Next year he won't be a Yankee. If it turns out Posada can't be a full-time catcher (and I really don't see why he can't) then he comes the ful-time DH.

Winter of 2009

1B-???
2B-Cano
SS-Jeter
3B-Arod
C-Posada
LF-????? (Damon is a FA)
CF-Melky/Gardner/Jackson
RF-????? (Nady is a FA)
DH-????? (Matsui FA)

The thing that scares me most about the Yankees going forward, which underlines a lot of my feelings towards giving Melky and Gardner a chance in 09, is that the Yanks will most likely make great strides this year with the pitching staff. I honestly beleive that if they sign CC along with Burnett or Perez or insert your other choice to go along with Wang, Joba and Hughes that the Yanks will have a set rotation for 3 or 4 years. With talent in the minors such as Kennedy, Sanchez, Melacon, Bettaneces, Horn, Cox, Hereida, McAllister, Brackman, etc we have depth and options to address injuries or poor performances. WHat we DON'T have right now, just to address our needs next year, are position players. Other than Montero, Jackson, Romine, Gardner and to a lesser extent E. Duncan, Shelly Duncan and Juan Miranda, who do we have to fill positions? Are we going to be forced to sign a big free agent who in the case of FA are almost always pushing 30 or over 30?

Am I missing any major position prospects coming up?

If the Yanks for sign 2 major pitchers this year how do you guys feel about trading prospect for prospect? Or prospects for a very young established major leaguer who is under control for a few years?

yankee fans if you sign every player you think you can sign, how much do you think they will spend this year..

tex = 200 million?
cc = 150-200 million?
manny = 100+ million?
burnett = 60-70 million?
thats alot of green

"1B-???
2B-Cano
SS-Jeter
3B-Arod
C-Posada
LF-????? (Damon is a FA)
CF-Melky/Gardner/Jackson
RF-????? (Nady is a FA)
DH-????? (Matsui FA)"

This would concern me as a Yankee fan. Jeter is a poor defensive SS as is, and I just feel bad about the fact that this guy is going to still be there going into 2010. With Posada, I'd just be shocked if he was ever healthy enough again to be counted on to start more than 80-100 games.

The Yankees shouldn't really have a big issue addressing the outfield, as none of Nady, Matsui or Damon are really great players, and solid to good corner outfielders aren't exactly the rarest commodity. Adressing catcher and shortstop should be higher priorities than the outfield, and even if the Yankees don't do anything about the 1B situation long term, Jesus Montero will likely end up there or at DH within the next couple of years.

The Yankees are lucky though that they are so stacked with pitching. They already have younger guys like Wang, Chamberlain and Hughes that appear to potentially be in the rotation for next season, and they also have lots of other good high end young pitchers like Sanchez, Kennedy, Melancon, Betances and Brackman.

Here's my predictions:

Sabathia will go to the Dodgers, he wants to pitch in his home state of California, and stay in the NL (sorry Yanks!)

Manny will go to the Mets, he fits the bill of power right handed LF...and Omar Minaya loves to sign latin players.

Burnett will go to the Cardinals, they were interested when he was an FA in '05 and they really need to get another ace with Carpenter's health being a question.

K-Rod will go to the Tigers, they have little depth in the 'pen and were rumored to be in the hunt for a closer.

Fuentes will go to the Mets, The Mets are interested in him and Fuentes says he likes New York. He is a good fit at closer, and he put up solid numbers at Coors Field. The Mets will also revamp the bullpen by trading Schoenweis, Heilman and Feliciano and signing Chad Cordero, Juan Cruz, Joe Beimel, and possibly a few other guys.

Teixeira will go to the Yankees. They will outbid the Red Sox, Nats and Orioles and he'll be signed to a long deal, which would be a mistake.

Derek Lowe will go to the Mets, they need to add another starter and he is good in big cities (Boston, LA)

Oliver Perez will sign with the Diamondbacks, he wants to be close to his home in Mexico.

Adam Dunn will sign with the Nationals, they had interest in trading for him and after losing out on Tex, they need to sign a power LF/1B.

In my next post I'll predict some trades.

661:

I am intrigued by the thought of Man-NY playing in NY but if you look closely I didn't mention him in the above post. Plus I already said I don't think the Yanks will go past a six year $150 mil offer to Tex. I hope they don't. Even though Tex was a better fielder than Giambi ever was I don't think the Yanks will make that kind of commitment to another 1B.

However, if you look at it from the standpoint of yearly salary we would be replacing the $80 mill coming off the books this year.

CC- $25
Burnett, Perez, etc- $12-15 mill
Tex- $25 mill

$15 mill to spare. The only way we could get Man-NY is if we dump Matsui's deal and pick up at least half of remaining $13 mil. So if they wanted Man-NY that would only be another $5 il above last years budget.

scribble: Isn't that the 2nd time this month that we've agreed on something? Wow...

I think Cash has done a very good job of taking over the scouting/drafting and getting really good picks in the lower rounds (Bets, Melacon, McAllister). Except for Montero, ROmine, Gardner and Jackson I think he's ignored some of the really good position players. I can live with Jeter at short. His range isn't what it use to be but he's still solid and turns most of the plays he gets to into outs. He's an icon and offensively still a very good player. Arod is a very good 3B (only 4 3B w/ over 800 innings had a higher field %). I can live with them due to their prod and other intangibles. I would like us to develop a SS to take over for Jeter in the next 2 years or so. I'm more concerned with finding young athletic OF's with speed and power.

yankfan78, sorry it was more of general statement, but thank you for your comment.

i think the dodger should go hard after sheets if cc lands somewhere else.
resign manny, furcal, nomar to supersub.. maybe 3rd base. ha nevermind. resign beimel, park if hes not under contract.

and sign cruz for the 7th/8th
sign crede, if he is willing for a one year deal. unlikely.


furcal ss
dewitt 2b/3b
loney 1b
manram lf
ethier rf
kemp cf
crede/nomar/dewitt/beltre? if it wasnt the moon for him
martin c

cc or sheets who would be a 2 or 3
bills
kuroda
kershaw
mcdonald/park/stults/maddux(who they should resign)
i love lowe but someone is gonna overprice him

the pen would look very strong again

cruz
wade
kuo
beimel
park a very good sixth man
proctor
brazoban
broxton
saito(i think hes done but still gotta hope)
and there is still alot of good arms to be put on alert status in the minors


i think thats a damn good team

So again..If the Yanks sign 2 top pitcher this year and if the staff looked like:

CC
Wang
Burnett/Perez
Joba
Hughes

What would you guys think of doing prospect trades? One of our top pitchers for a teams top OF or SS prospect? I almost never hear of deals like that happen. It's usually vet or pending free agent for prospects. If Tex doesn't sign with us would the Yanks look to signing a guy like Millar for a year and maybe trading Kennedy and another pitching prospect for someone like Matt Laporta (not him specifically but someone of that talent)?

661:

Hey dude. I really like the talent that you guys have. They've done a good job of infusing good you talent on the bump and in the field while peppering some vets at the same time. What's the skinny on Martin? Why so many rumors of the Dodgers trading him?

Matt Holliday and Willy Taveras will be traded to the Mets for Fernando Martinez, Jon Niese, Pedro Feliciano and Eddie Kunz.

Jake Peavy will be traded to the Braves for Jordan Schafer, Yunel Escobar and 2 lower level pitching prospects

Garrett Atkins will be traded to the Angels for Nick Adenhart and a few lower level prospects

Prince Fielder will be traded to the A's for Corey Brown, Trevor Cahill and Huston Street

Dan Uggla will be traded to the Giants for Bengie Molina and cash

Jonathan Sanchez will be traded to the Texas Rangers for Elvis Andrus

Jarrod Saltalamacchia will be traded to the Red Sox for Nick Hagadone and a lower level prospect


*more trades coming soon*

Holliday Trade: Rockies also receive Jeffry Marte and Reese Havens

YanksfanSince78: I know everyone talks about the Yanks having $80 million off the books but its a bit less than that b/c they still had to pay the buyouts for Giambi and Pavano and Cano, Wang, and Nady all get raises this year. Even Arod goes up $5 million this year. And ok maybe that $12-15 million in raises isn't that significant and won't be a deal breaker for the Yanks going after Tex I just have a hard time buying that they are going to add a big contract to the infield. As you said their outfield is in flux after next year, though I think you undersold the talents of Nady/Matsui/Damon a bit b/c i feel that the Yanks will have a hard time replacing their production. B/c the outfield will have two open spots in the outfield as well as an open spot at DH (unless posada does have to do that) I see them not making a huge offer to Tex. They will need that money the next year to go after Holliday, Bay, Crawford to fill the holes in their outfield. I do think you may be right with them going after an Adam LaRoche type. The yanks need to use their money on pitching this year and outfield next.

Hey dude. I really like the talent that you guys have. They've done a good job of infusing good you talent on the bump and in the field while peppering some vets at the same time. What's the skinny on Martin? Why so many rumors of the Dodgers trading him?

thats all writers stirring nothing into something, colletti has said hes staying.

Dan Uggla will be traded to the Giants for Bengie Molina and cash
that would be the dumbest trade in mlb history

yanksfan78

i know i love the talent they have, logan white does a great job dude.

as too the martin rumors..
martin kinda hyped himself up and i guess it rubbed a few people the wrong way.
also i was at games 3 and 4 of nlcs and he was playing out of control there is no doubt it.
he was hacking at everything, he was angry about the bean balls and what not. thats what i kinda think set this off.

and the rumors were taken from peter gammons, i said this a week ago that was his little boston domination dream.

it would take so much to martin, and martin would destroy baseballs in fenway, i would be upset for years if that trade became reality

YanksfanSince78: I think your prospect for prospect ideas are sound I am hoping that the Nats make moves like that and avoid signing a Dunn or Burrell. Royals and Rangers def. have an abundance of 1B prospects. I think what ususally happens is teams overvalue their prospects so much that they would have a hard time feeling they are recieving equal value. When your trading an impending FA you at least feel you are getting some value but when you trade prospect for prospect you are trading 6 years of service time for 6 years of service time. And while they are obviously top prospects you are moving/recieving their is always that chance that they bust. When you give up talent for Nady/Marte you at least know what you are getting in return and yes sometimes those veteran players turn out to be busts (Bedard) you at least traded for a known quanity.

nymforlife
i think your proposals are great. but a few are kinda of a stretch..

"Jarrod Saltalamacchia will be traded to the Red Sox for Nick Hagadone and a lower level prospect.."

not a stretch but i think texas comes out on top in the long run, i know its hard saying prospects are a sure thing but hagadone is a stronger version of lester and i really think that to be true.

"Matt Holliday and Willy Taveras will be traded to the Mets for Fernando Martinez, Jon Niese, Pedro Feliciano and Eddie Kunz."

thats a great idea, mets would be barren in the minors but they get a masher and a super 4th outfielder.

"Dan Uggla will be traded to the Giants for Bengie Molina and cash"

no way makes no sense for the marlins, i know they need a catcher but i dont think they would do that.

"Prince Fielder will be traded to the A's for Corey Brown, Trevor Cahill and Huston Street"

i think the As would try to sub out cahill

"Garrett Atkins will be traded to the Angels for Nick Adenhart and a few lower level prospects"

i do not like atkins at third for the angels, chone figgins is GG caliber.

nymforlife: outside of the Peavey deal and maybe the Holiday deal I don't see any of those deals happening.

Atkins isn't worth Ardenhart alone much less adding another player.

Brewers are only trading Fielder for MLB ready pitching and while Cahill is a great prospect he won't be in the rotation come opening day. Also Street would be way overvalued he's only really worth about 2 moderate prospects he's not at top closer anymore.

Marlins would want prospects or a young pitcher (like Sanchez) plus a prospect for Uggla. Even if the Giants paid all of Molina's contract it would be a bad deal for the Fish.

Rangers would not trade Andrus for Sanchez. I don't even know if they'd trade him for Cain. Andrus is probably the best SS prospect in the minors they would want a top line pitcher for him not a #3/4 type.

I think the Sox would have to give up at least Bowden to get Salty.

Steveo26- You bring up Crawford as a potential guy for the Yankees in 2010. That really could be something interesting. If Crawford puts up a season like his 2008, I could see the Rays declining his 2010 option. The Yankees don't need power as much as they need speed and defense. They will get their power, especially if they upgrade at 1B. With Damon gone after 2009 (and probably not a smart idea to resign him since his speed/defense will probably be declining with age), he could be the big SB threat in the lineup.

Steve26:

Cash and Hank have already made it clear that they are interested in Tex it just a matter of coming together on terms. Cash would have no problem with a 5 or 6 year deal between 20-25 mil per. That wouldn't prohibit us from signing a pitcher. In fact I would venture to say that the pitching will be addressed before they even began having serious talks w/ Boras about Tex. Boras usually likes to draw things out until late Dec/Jan and Cash wants to settle the pitching ASAP. As for next year I definetly am concerned. I seriously doubt Damon and Matsui will be back. I think if Nady has a good year (.285/25 hrs/ 90 rbis) the Yanks will try and extend him another 3 or 4 years. If they do that then I can see the Yanks bringing in another big name FA OF next year. I don't think Holliday will be available. I think whoever trades for him this year will want to extend him first. I also can see the Rays re-upping Crawford and the Sucks doing the same with Bay.

Our OF questions are the main reason I want to see Melky/Gardner get a whole year to play in CF. If Damon walks not only do we need to fill his spot in the OF (whether that's CF or LF) but we also need a new lead off guy. If we know what we have with those two then that helps figure out what we need to go after in winter of '09.

"I think the Sox would have to give up at least Bowden to get Salty."

Agreed. Catching is in huge demand.

Atkins is worth Adenhart though.

Fish don't need/want Molina. They want cheap and pre-arbi. Olsen + prospect for one of the Texas catchers makes better sense.

I think the Sox would have to give up at least Bowden to get Salty.

i would think the sox would do that straight up, i know i would.

Yanksfan,

Those rumors about Martin being shopped are just that: rumors. Ned Colletti even came out and said basically, "There is no way we are trading Martin." For us, he is irreplaceable. We have no depth in our minors at catcher (after trading Carlos Santana away in the Casey Blake deal, which I didn't like). Martin is a top 5, and probably even top 3, catcher in the majors in regards to overall talent and value. So any rumors saying he is being shopped, are completely ridiculous.

Now, as for the Dodgers needs, we don't NEED an outfielder, but we do need a slugger. You know what could be a shrewd move? Trading Loney to the Yankees for some pitching or a couple infield prospects (if they got em), and signing Tex instead of Manny. It would be a risky move to try, but the outcome would be great (this is a REALLY hypothetical scenario mind you).

More likely I see the Dodgers pursuing a lesser outfielder. Many forget also, now that Penny's option wasn't picked up, that the Dodgers have over $60 million to spend. We have plenty of relief pitching depth, and good starting depth (enough to fill 4 spots in the rotation with solid talent). So our big needs come down to two things: we need a slugger (Manny most likely), and a #1 pitcher with experience. Billingsley is established himself as our most reliable starter last year, but he lacks in experience.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dodgers shore up and land both Manny and Sabathia. They will at least land one or the other, and possibly both.

I'm confused, if this guy thinks that the Maryland connection will matter, the n why doesn't he see the O's as players for Tex?

If you really look at the Yanks objetively their biggest problems soon might be their offese. After the '09 season the only players the Yanks have under contract are:

Cano
Jeter
Arod
Posada

One of the things that frustrate me the most is that most people don't look past the upcoming season when they talk of some these moves (like trading Cano and bringing in OHudson). Cano has the ABILITY to become the Yanks best hitter for avg. Arod might be the only tru power hitter left on the team. I know the Yanks will make some moves but I just hope it's not at the expense of the farm. Prospect are overrated. I know fans in Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Oakland are tired of trading for prospects I can imagine. I would like the Yanks to have the best of both worls. A good farm complemented by smart FA pick ups.

I definetly like Abreu as a player but agree that we should let him and Giambi walk this year. I would like to see them extend Nady. Maybe offer him a 2 year deal with an option for a 3rd.

Include Melky/Gardner as well as far as players under contract past 09.

I've heard the O's would be players for Tex as well along with the usual suspects:

Yanks, BoSucks, Angels and Nationals. I think the White Sox might be a dark horse too, especially if they can dump Thome or Knonerko. They are a very old team and other than Quentin the don't have much power to count on with Dye, Thome and Konerko being older or headed into FA in 2010.

"Trading Loney to the Yankees for some pitching or a couple infield prospects (if they got em), and signing Tex instead of Manny. It would be a risky move to try, but the outcome would be great (this is a REALLY hypothetical scenario mind you)."

NO THANK YOU

i would rather not sign manny and keep loney than trade loney for crap from the yankees and sign tex


i would rather take loney for 25-31 prime years than pay the moon for tex in his 29-36 years

661:

Gee dude....thanks. Crap from the Yankees? I agree with not making the propsed moves but did you have to cut me so deep..."oh...the pain". We still have Eric and Shelly Duncan. They can be st..ah..never mind.

What's up with Delwyn Young? How does he figure into the Dodger's plan?

I hope this guy is wrong about Dunn in RF for the Cubs...because it would be wrong.

Eh, the Loney thing was only a suggestion. I like Loney too, he's got some good years ahead of him. BUT Texeira is the better hitter and fielder, but will cost a lot more.

As for Delwyn Young, I haven't heard a whole lot lately about what the club has in mind for him. He proved he could definitely hit in the minors (.303 BA, .365 OBP, .517 slugging), but his issue has been fielding. The Dodgers haven't been able to find a spot in the everyday lineup for him. We're already clogged in the outfield as it is, and the only other position Young has played is 2B, and he was HORRIBLE defensively there.

He was relegated to a bench/pinch hitter role this year (which is not where he should be). He could bring a good return in a package. He isn't a bad outfielder (surely isn't worse than Ryan Braun, or Manny or Burrell), and he can hit, hit, hit. Someone would like to have him. Maybe the Rays? We could ask for an infielder in return? Maybe package Young and Hu to the Rays for someone?

Either way, I think Young deserves an everyday spot in the lineup, but he won't get it. So let's trade him before his value diminishes altogether.

Maybe ship him, Hu and, if necessary, another infield prospect to the Royals for Aviles? That way we don't have to worry about re-signing Furcal, and we can take the money we'd spend on Furcal and we could use that extra coin to make a stronger bid to land multiple big name players. The big question about such a move as this is: is Aviles even available? Let alone would the Dodgers have what it takes to pry him away?

Scratch the additional infielder and throw in a pitcher.

scribbletone "This would concern me as a Yankee fan. Jeter is a poor defensive SS as is"

are you out of your mind???
jeter is in the top 10 defensive shortstops in baseball
why dont you try watching some yankee games b4 making a ridiculouse statement like this

"Jarrod Saltalamacchia will be traded to the Red Sox for Nick Hagadone and a lower level prospect"

Hagadone is coming off of TJ surgery, no team in their right mind would trade for him right now. Bowden or Bard is much more likely. And for Bowden, I'd bet there would have to be a larger deal.


"jeter is in the top 10 defensive shortstops in baseball"

And that's something that's said by pretty much only yankee fans who only watch yankee baseball. Most fans and scouts agree Jeter is a butcher in the field. Most agreed upon ratings show Jeter really is only a good fielder if the ball is hit directly to where he's standing.


"is Aviles even available? Let alone would the Dodgers have what it takes to pry him away?"

My bet is no unless they get a ridiculous offer.


"Ned Colletti even came out and said basically, "There is no way we are trading Martin.""

Where did he say that? I'm not surprised by the statement, I just haven't read that.

In regards to Delwyn Young, if Torre didn't have such a man-crush on Sweeney last year Young would have gotten quite a few PH at bats. With Sweeney gone this year(correct me if I'm wrong) Young should get quite a few at bats. God knows anybody would be better than Sweeney last year(except Andrew).

Jeter isn't even the best shortsop on his own team.

Jeter is not a "butcher' as some might say. He's no Ozzie Smith when it comes to range but his range factor is pretty bad but not horrible (4.05) but he does turn the plays that are hit to him. To me a butcher makes a lot of errors.

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