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By Tim Dierkes [November 12, 2008 at 12:25pm CST]
Let's see what's going on with the Tigers.
- GM Dave Dombrowski does not see Ramon Santiago as a starting shortstop. But aside from Rafael Furcal, what better player could the Tigers add? Dombrowski is also looking to add a reliever and a catcher.
- Dombrowski doesn't expect to bid on Francisco Rodriguez; Lynn Henning sees the Tigers signing "a second tier reliever who could perhaps function as a closer." Juan Cruz and Jeremy Affeldt could fit that description.
- Henning still sees a Magglio Ordonez trade as the best route to fill the team's needs. Jon Paul Morosi likes the Angels as a match.
- Detroit Tigers Thoughts runs through some options at catcher.
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I still think the Braves should try and get Maggs, because Ludwick is not a proven hitter like Maggs is, and I still think no one can feel the hole in the free agent market.
Posted by: BravesRed | November 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Edgar Renteria had a pretty interesting interview: http://stlcardinals.scout.com/2/810953.html
Posted by: jrocke217 | November 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM
I can see the Angels going for him if they lose the battle for Tex.
Posted by: mford | November 12, 2008 at 12:40 PM
wonder what the Tigers fans would want from the Phils to get Magglio? Any ideas?
Posted by: philsWSchamps | November 12, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Tigers should try to match up on a trade with the Red Sox for Julio Lugo...
They could flip-flop Lugo/Granderson at leadoff/#9 depending on Righty/Lefty situations.
Lugo isn't a terrible fielder.
I hate Lugo and will kick in money from my own pocket if someone takes him so the Sox can move past that mistake.
Posted by: baxter4218 | November 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM
"wonder what the Tigers fans would want from the Phils to get Magglio? Any ideas?"
Carlos Carrasco, JA Happ.
Posted by: mford | November 12, 2008 at 12:46 PM
I think the Tigers may want too much from the Braves since the Renteria deal didn't work out for them but since they need a reliever and a catcher how about Soriano, Flowers, Medlen and Rodgers for Maggs
Posted by: Jay212033 | November 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Lugo isn't a terrible fielder.
Posted by: baxter4218 | November 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM
If you're a Sox fan, you know that's not true at all. He makes about 20 errors a year, most of which involve him trying to do too much. It was a horrible signing by Theo, and everyone knows it. That said, a Lugo-Willis or Nate Robertson swap would seem to help both sides. The Sox need a long man/spot starter in case Buchholz doesn't turn it around this spring.
Posted by: cmac1973 | November 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM
I'd entertain Lugo for Willis. I doubt either enjoys another day as a successful major leaguer but I'd exchange one pile of crap for another.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | November 12, 2008 at 12:54 PM
"Soriano, Flowers, Medlen and Rodgers for Maggs"
Until atleast Moylan comes back, Soriano will be the setup guy. For that much, I hope Tigers are atleast eating about $5+ million. For the Braves to eat the whole contract, the Tigers will maybe get two lower to mid level prospects.
Posted by: BravesRed | November 12, 2008 at 12:55 PM
the phils would have to package something around donald and happ and another prospect probably
Posted by: derman1984 | November 12, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Cmac1973 -
With regards to "lugo isn't a terrible fielder."
It was more me saying, hey Lugo sucks but there are worse fielding options (cough cough Derek Jeter) then Lugo.
I think you are on to something with Lugo for Willis. At least this would give the Sox someone to throw batting practice.
Posted by: baxter4218 | November 12, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Santiago is an adequate ML shortstop. He ranked 10th in the majors in WPA. He also had a very high OBP. Add in his glove, and the extra money needed to sign furcal is not close to worth it.
Posted by: scottiedawg | November 12, 2008 at 01:06 PM
If I were the Reds I would offer this for Magglio with the Reds picking up the entire contract.
Josh Roenike--hard throwing rookie reliever with closers stuff. Alot of Reds fans wouldn't want to lose him, but the Reds actually have a stockpile of similar arms.
Paul Janish--Excellent glove, GG caliber, with solid OB skills, if he can hit .260 he would be a viable starter option. Honestly right now I wish that the Reds would give him the starting SS job over Keppinger and Gonzalez. The Reds could also put Gonzalez here if the Tigers would prefer someone with more of a track record.
Craig Tatum--Minor league catcher solid tools but nothing that really jumps out at you.
If the Tigers aren't picking up some of that contract, while it isn't a bad contract by any means it is still a high dollar contract for a 35+ player
Posted by: schellis | November 12, 2008 at 01:11 PM
"Until atleast Moylan comes back, Soriano will be the setup guy. For that much, I hope Tigers are atleast eating about $5+ million. For the Braves to eat the whole contract, the Tigers will maybe get two lower to mid level prospects."
Actually I think that's a very fair deal for a proven power hitter. The reason it would be more is because of his high contract and age but we'd be shedding 6.5 mil with Soriano anyway.
Posted by: Jay212033 | November 12, 2008 at 01:18 PM
I would jump on that deal in a heartbeat if I were the Reds, but it will never happen.
The Tigers are going to want to address at least one hole with a proven to almost sure fire prospect that upgrades the position no matter how much contract is picked up by the other team. None of the players mentioned would do that besides possibly Roenicke.
If you switched Janish with Valaika or somehow added a young starting pitcher like Bailey, Thompson, or Maloney then maybe, but not with the deal you proposed.
Posted by: carolina03 | November 12, 2008 at 01:24 PM
if mags does hit the market the phils braves and reds will in on it and all offering the same package of a ss pitcher and another prospect its all going to come down to who the tigers like better.
Posted by: derman1984 | November 12, 2008 at 01:24 PM
"if mags does hit the market the phils braves and reds will in on it and all offering the same package of a ss pitcher and another prospect its all going to come down to who the tigers like better.
Braves have Escobar in a deal and have no good SS prospects. Phils will never give up Rollins.
Posted by: BravesRed | November 12, 2008 at 01:43 PM
"its all going to come down to who the tigers like better."
Because it's common for team desperate to shed payroll to dictate the terms of their salary dump.
The Tigers are trading Maggs to shed payroll, meaning others teams will have to eat the majority of the contract. Thus, it's extremely unlikely the Tigers can sit back and wait for any surefire prospect to come their way.
A shortstop, pitcher and another prospect seems to be a bit of a stretch.
Posted by: Kenan and Kel | November 12, 2008 at 01:46 PM
what will the tigers want from the angels in return for magglio?
Posted by: chegui | November 12, 2008 at 01:46 PM
If the braves want to give up escobar in the mags deal i would be happy as a phils fan.i can deal with 3 years of mags rather than 6 of escobar
Posted by: derman1984 | November 12, 2008 at 02:15 PM
Escobar actually only has 5 years left.
Posted by: BravesRed | November 12, 2008 at 02:26 PM
The Tigers are crazy if they think they can extract any decent prospects to go along with picking up Maggs' contract.
Why give up something when you can just sign Dunn/Burrell for less money and not require anything more than a draft pick?
Posted by: bjsguess | November 12, 2008 at 02:31 PM
If the REds go after Ordonez then I think it should be looked at as a salary dump for both teams.
Looking at it that way, I would trade Alez Gonzalez, Ryan Freel and a young Pitcher to the Tigers for Ordonez and Dontrelle Willis.
That way, the Reds get a Right Handed power hitter to play Left Field and a Left Handed Starter to add to their rotation.
The Tigers get a young Pitcher and two guys to fill holes and who are also in the last years of their contracts.
Doing this gives the Tigers some payroll flexibility for 2009 and then some more in 2010.
Posted by: ctownboy | November 12, 2008 at 02:31 PM
Tigers won't necessarily dump payroll if they can fill three holes with Maggs (that sounds wierd).
Anyway, if Ibanez leaves the M's might they consider getting Maggs to replace him in LF?
I was thinking maybe The Tigers could send Magglio and Danny Worth (maybe Rodney) for Putz/Johjima/Betancourt.
Posted by: MacRae | November 12, 2008 at 02:46 PM
"Anyway, if Ibanez leaves the M's might they consider getting Maggs to replace him in LF?"
The M's are rebuilding, and in serious need of a better farm system. If they're trading away pieces, it needs to be for prospects, not veterans.
Although Johjima has negative value.
Posted by: melonis rex | November 12, 2008 at 03:11 PM
The Johjima end is what starts to make sense to me. Throw in a willingness to trade Putz and there's a nucleus of a trade there. I don't think The Tigers would give up Maggs for those two players but if something could be worked out where Betancourt comes too, it's a decent fit. The question is what else The Tigers could send to make it work.
Maggs, Worth and Larish maybe?
Maggs, Rodney, Worth and Larish?
Maggs, Worth, Fien, Larish?
Posted by: MacRae | November 12, 2008 at 03:21 PM
The Mets should look at Ordonez he would provide a solid middle of the order presence in case we get the first half Delgado. If the Mets eat all of Magglio's contract would Parnell Heilman Carp be enough maybe add a low level high upside player.
Posted by: metsfan | November 12, 2008 at 05:21 PM
if Tex doesn't work out for the angels, i could see them going after Maggs. What it will take, i am not too sure. Maybe a catcher and SP. Napoli is off limits i think so it would have to be Mathis, Wilson, or Conger. I would hold on to Conger though. And for a SP i would say they would probably want Adenhardt or maybe Weaver. Thoughts anybody?
Posted by: cook | November 12, 2008 at 05:25 PM
metsfan, I like Mags too, but why not just sign Manny, Dunn, Burrell, Bradley, Ibanez, or Rivera and keep your prospects?
Posted by: nrmax88 | November 12, 2008 at 06:00 PM
nrmax88
Because Mags price tag is $10M less than Manny's will be, strikes out a fraction of the time as Dunn and Burrell while putting up better numbers, Bradley is a DL stint waiting to happen, Ibanez is just....no, I actually have nothing against Rivera other than I would rather he be on the Tigers roster than the Mets.
Mags isn't as old as everyone seems to think, 34, and is still very productive. His contract calls for a $15 million salary in 2006, $12 million in 2007, $15 million in 2008 and $18 million in 2009. Detroit has a $15 million option for 2010 with a $3 million buyout and a $15 million option for 2011 with no buyout.
In addition, Ordonez's salary in each of the option years would become guaranteed if he has 135 starts or 540 plate appearances in the previous season or 270 starts or 1,080 plate appearances in the previous two seasons. If his 2010 salary becomes guaranteed under this provision, it would be at $18 million. The 2011 salary would be $15 million.
So if he hits the DL for any length of time, whoever gets him is off the hook.
It isn't really too much of a salary dump, the Tigers are looking for Major League ready players that are paid much more than prospects. Whatever the Tigers get rid of in Mags they will be taking on some as well.
If the Tigers were trying to unload Sheff, that would be a salary dump.
Posted by: Big E | November 12, 2008 at 06:32 PM
Sorry, the contract part was a cut and paste job, forgot to edit out the part of his contract that has already been paid out.
Disregard that part.
Posted by: Big E | November 12, 2008 at 06:34 PM
Unlike many of the local columnists I would be UTTERLY SHOCKED if Magglio was traded in the off season. That said, if some team "knocks the Tigers socks off" with a deal, Dave Dombrowski would listen.
I think all this talk is mostly said columnists needing to justify their positions with the papers/blogs they work for and not Tiger management. After all the columnists need to fill all that newspaper/blog space with something.
There are only a couple to a trio of handfuls of players that are "sure things", by sure things I mean a player that will preform above league averages at their positions. Teams go into an off season with very few of these "sure things" (barring injury), right now the Tigers have 3 and 1/2 to 4 and 1/2, depending on how you feel about Placido Polanco? The 1/2 a sure thing is Carlos Guillen (injury history).
Why would the Tigers trade one of their "sure things" before the season even starts? I almost do not care what number of very likely things they get back. On the other hand, if the 2009 Tigers find themselves scuffling to get to .500 around July 25th, all bets are off.
To the Phillies fan, I would trade Magglio plus a solid prospect (not named Rick Porcello) for Jimmy Rollins.
BTW- the 2 sure things I did not mention, Curtis Granderson and Miguel Cabrera.
Posted by: MrSean | November 12, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Im a tiger fan and this whole Tigers trying to shed pay roll stuff has to stop. we are NOT trying to shed pay roll. If we were then why do we have 15 mil to spend this offseason? the whole tigers cutting pay roll was a speculation from a columnist. The only way/reason we trade Maggs is that we fill multiple needs
Posted by: allstarlineup | November 12, 2008 at 11:33 PM