Yankees Pursuing Peavy

three team trade braves, padres and yanks: yanks get peavy, braves get wang, kennedy, nady, padres get escobar, melky, and minor leaguers ??

Posted by: pvilly131 | November 15, 2008 at 07:03 PM

Pvilly - that trade idea got wrecked, by every fan on trade rumors. Obviously it is a dumb proposal.

Trading Wang would be a pretty dumb move tbh

three team trade braves, padres and yanks: yanks get peavy, braves get wang, kennedy, nady, padres get escobar, melky, and minor leaguers ??

Posted by: pvilly131 | November 15, 2008 at 07:03 PM

wasnt this ridiculous proposal posted on another topic already?

It's called trolling

"(yes i still consider kennedy a top prospect, he still has value people)"

Doesn't matter if he has value to you. He needs to have value in the eyes of another GM. Of course he has some value, its the magnitude that is in question.

spineynorman- yeah i know but just because he had a pretty bad year - i dont even think he qualified for rookie status- doesnt mean his stuff has gone away- i honestly think he needs a clean slate and new surroundings- he needs a trade but at fair value- like i said his stuff has not diminished

Hmm... the Yankees would have to give up some excellent quality type players AND a bigger contract to Peavy in order to get this deal done... sound familiar? This is a similar situation the Yankees were in last offseason when they were trying to acquire Santana.

However, I believe the resulting decision should also stay the same. Obtaining Peavy would severely deplete our farm system (even more so than it is now), and it would be less cost effective. Right now, the best option is to test the free agent waters and try to sign two of Sabathia, Burnett, and Lowe. If that doesn't work out, then the Yankees should try a trade.

Peavy is a great pitcher, but when they have the option of gaining other solid players at a lesser expense, go with the bargain.

No cardinal, the sad part is he considers himself a Yankee fan...It is unknown how Peavy will do in the AL East (I think he would succeed, but no guarantee of course) Wang is a 3.7 ERA guy who will give you 200 IP (unless he suffers another "freak" injury like he had this year.

First off the yankees have enough players to pull off a trade for Peavy. Second i bet they could pull it off with out A-Jax in the deal. And i think the yankees should try there hardest to get Peavy. We would have the best rotation in the game.

Possible Trade options for Jake Peavy to the Yankees:

1. Jake Peavy: Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, and Phil Coke.

2. Jake Peavy: Chien Ming Wang and Melky Cabrera.

3. Jake Peavy: Phil Hughes, Justin Cristian, and Dan Giese.

"(yes i still consider kennedy a top prospect, he still has value people)"

Doesn't matter if he has value to you. He needs to have value in the eyes of another GM. Of course he has some value, its the magnitude that is in question.

I agree. he's a AAAA pitcher, no better. He's got little value unless someone is looking for a 5th or 6th starter.

How about this trade,

Hughes,Kennedy,Matsui(we would pay most of his contract),Aceves and another 1 or 2 prospects.

pvilly you're an idiot. Why would the Yankees give up Wang for him? He's had back to back 19 win seasons and is proven in the AL East. You want to replace him with a guy coming from the NL West? That division is nothing like playing the Red Sox, TB, and even Toronto and Baltimore which showed some offense last year, about 20 times each.

Hughes, Jackson, Kennedy and Melancon for Peavy

That would work I think from both angles.

There is no way they are going to give up any more than one of Hughes, Kennedy and Jackson.

I like yanks120125 idea of matsui, but thats it. they probably aren't going to want a guy who has had 2 knee surgeries.

I like the front end, but you have to remember this deal needs to compare to the braves orbthey can accept frank wrens offer.

I like melancon, ajax, aceves and montero for peavy.

Not sure how many times this will need to be said.

The Padres DO NOT want anyone who has 1 year left on their deal (i.e. Matsui). They are not competing in 2009. End of story.

The Padres DO NOT want to take on any salary. The players must be earning league minimum (or close to it).

The Padres DO want controllable players. Giving them guys with 2 years left before FA won't work.

The Padres DO want at least ONE star player. You don't trade a bonafide ace for a pitcher who might grade out as high as a #4 (yeah - I'm looking at you Ian Kennedy). Hughes/Jackson/Chamberlain must be in the deal.

I'm pretty sure Callis rated Schafer higher than Jackson in a chat a month or so ago.

Given that Schafer/Hernandez would have been the second piece in the Braves offer, the Yankees would still need to come up with a centerpiece.

Don't think it will happen
BUT this rotation would be freakin' scary:
CC, Peavy, Wang, Lowe, Burnett (assuming they can even sign CC, Lowe and Burnett....)

There is no way they are going to give up any more than one of Hughes, Kennedy and Jackson.

then u dont get peavy

I like the front end, but you have to remember this deal needs to compare to the braves orbthey can accept frank wrens offer.

the braves dropped out. which means they pulled their offer

I really wonder if this is being viewed (internally) as Peavy + CC instead of CC OR Peavy.

The Yanks may be either using a potential Peavy trade as leverage against CC (if you don't take our deal no one will come close and we can just land Peavy). That would be brilliant on their part.

Alternatively, I wonder if they have real reservations about CC turning down their money to play somewhere else.

"I really wonder if this is being viewed (internally) as Peavy + CC instead of CC OR Peavy."

Because the Yankees have more than 1 hole to fill, i feel like its CC + Peavy. You make a good point, but throwing out more money than anyone can even think about is pretty good leverage itself. remember they said 6/140 is the initial offer.

Bj you make a good point. i just dont think the Yankees give a hoot about leverage in this case. thats kind of what i meant to say.

if im the padres, i want hughes, kennedy, and 2 other players. I dont know this jackson character but i would ask for him too since people on here seem to be high on him and this is my opinion but yank fans are really HIGH on there young players, which all that touched the major leagues havent done a damn thing. you can say they are hurt or whatever but the reality is both kennedy and hughes sucked last season. so there value should be down from when they were trying to trade them for santana.

"did Peavy have some elbow issue last year?"

i believe he had a mild strain or something like that. nothing major, just missed a couple starts.

you have to understand that GMs whom are rebuilding are not looking for sell-low players. he would not accept cabrera or kennedy as well as gardner is not viewed as a starting MLB OF.

Towers will start with Austin Jackson and work from there.

jackson 2 pitchers and a 3rd prospect.

I like melancon, brackman and coke.

by the way you arevcrazy if u don't see the braves posturing.

sell-low players...ie Ian Kennedy last year was headlining one deal for Johan along with Melky Cabrera and now is fodder at the end of the trade.

Melky, Gardener, and Kennedy are not valuable as if they just finished a decent season.

No mention of Peavy as sell low.

Padres:
Phil Hughes
Ian Kennedy
Brett Gardner
Phil Coke (would have been gone anyway since he should have been a pirate)

Yankees:
Jake Peavy

if you think the way i am then Coke already should be gone since he was involved in the Nady/Marte deal so its basically like trading Hughes,Kennedy,and Gardner for Peavy

i like Coke. its good to have 2 Lefties in the pen. so maybe switch him with Melancon and switch Gardner and put in Cabrera.

Hughes
Kennedy
Melancon
Cabrera

I seem to like watching the Yankees offseason more than the game itself, which I hardly ever watch. It’s like a recreational human resources event. For anyone who thinks of the baseball offseason the way I do, who cannot like being a Yankee fan during the early offseason. I begin to wonder if my favorite Yankee is Brian Cashman.

I like the Yankees' chances of trading for Peavy without having to give up either Austin Jackson or Phil Hughes for one reason: money!!

Peavy has a full no-trade clause and will use that to demand more money from whoever signs him. He has already made statements indicating that in the media.

No team will take a contract that will cost well over $100,000,000 AND give up a bunch of top notch free agent players; especially in this pitcher rich free agent market.

The more money it takes for Peavy to waive his no-trade clause (and it will take lots for any team) the less the player talent that will be traded back to the Padres.

The Yankees are the only team that can spend a ton of money AND at least give something decent to good of a talent package back even if it doesn't come remotely close to fair trade value.

The Padres do not have the option of holding on to him; otherwise they would.

The Yankees will NOT trade Robinson Cano to anyone unless it is for another second baseman because they need him.

Joba Chamberlin is also next to untradeable for the same reason.

They are highly unlikely to trade Austin Jackson for Peavy because they WILL need him as soon as he is major league ready. Look at the Center Field situation for the Yankees.

Phil Hughes would be the only one of the Yankees top four trade chips that they would be willing to part with. Pitcher for pitcher is by far the most sensible deal and Hughes has yet to show he can produce at the major league level.

With 90 million in payroll cleared, the Yankees will likely have Sabathia and Peavy. No one is going into a bidding war against the Yankees for him; knowing how desperate and how wealthy the Yankees are this offseason. The Dodgers have already made the same type of aggressive offer for Manny Ramirez as the Yankees made for Sabathia. The Mets already stated they will look for the next tier. This leaves the Angels as the only viable contender. If they resign Mark Texiera, they will not bid for Sabathia.

The Yankees may have Texeira as well. This all hinges on the Angels meeting his demand for a long term (10 year) contract.

The Yankees stated they are willing to go four or five years for Texeira at a high dollar per year contract, but not long term.

Swisher makes an excellent backup (both 1B and OF) but a low to lower-middle end starter. Texeira is a possible long term solution the Yankees first base needs if the Angels also balk at that long of a term contract.

Sabathia is almost a certainty, Peavy is most likely, Texeira is a little less than an even possibility, and a third free agent pitcher is very likely if the Yankees do not sign Texeria and any of their free agent pitchers(Mussina and Pettite).

If they sign Texeira but not their free agents, then the odds of a third high end pitcher acquisition drops to about even. If they sign both Texeira and Mussina or Pettite, then the odds drop to doubtful.

For those of you who enjoy watching the game a lot more than the offseason as I am sure most of you do, you can almost count on watching Sabathia and Peavy pitching for the Yankees. You might get to see Texeria at first base as well. You fans will be in for one hell of a season.

"The Padres do not have the option of holding on to him; otherwise they would."

Thoroughly disagree. SD has already cut their payroll significantly, and could definitely afford to keep Peavy now. The reason they're trading him is because they believe he holds less value filling one hole than the prospects a trade could haul, thereby filling multiple holes the Padres have. If they were closer to contending, they'd keep him. They may end up doing that anyway. It'd be a waste of talent, but certainly not a huge weight to drag around.

"I like the Yankees' chances of trading for Peavy without having to give up either Austin Jackson or Phil Hughes for one reason: money!!"

I don't. Towers is no fool. He's rated as one of the top GMs in baseball. Any package not including at least one top prospect is dead from the get go. Hughes is probably more attractive to SD than Jackson, but that doesn't mean Towers won't want both.

Besides, you say money is the reason this'll happen. Since when do the Yankees care about money? If they see 09 as a year they can contend (hard to argue with that considering they barely missed the playoffs and they'll soon be adding 2 Cy Young pitchers to their staff), they'll spend.

It's all about relative value to a team. Peavy was less valuable to SD because the offense couldn't provide him with run support. With NY's lineup, Peavy could easily be a 20+ wins pitcher in 09. He alone could have been the difference between playoffs or no playoffs for NY last year.

"Padres get: Hughes, Brackman, Montero, Coke, and Jackson"

thats too much. the yankees dont have many position prospects and those are the 2 best. i dont see them parting with both of them. Montero is a good hitting catcher but is big for the position and may have to be moved to first base anyway. we dont know how intense they are about going after Tex. they could have a plan for Montero to move soon because they also have Romine whos defense i believe is better.
you can definitely start the deal with Hughes and Brackmen but, with the likely restructuring of Peavys deal, i dont see too much more after that.

by the way, saying Montero's defense is better, when he has not played 1B often enough, is like saying I think Casey Kelly will be a better pitcher then Brandon Webb if given the chance.