C.C. Sabathia Rumors: Tuesday

Just a thought -

Maybe if Yankees fans had their players backs just a little instead of turning on them more players would actually want to play there. CC would probably already be a yankee.

The hostility towards "the Yankees," which becomes hostility towards "Yankee fans," which becomes hostility towards "New Yorkers" really bothers me. It seems to always hide under the surface when talking about sports and politics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlnSaIwfEg

enfoe...exactly how many Yankee games have you been to in your lifetime? Dont believe everything the media feeds you.

Ask Paul Oneil, Bernie Williams, Whitey Ford, Yogi Berra, the families of Thurman, Murcer, Hunter..how fans have their players backs. And I can go on and on with names.

No fan base makes their players into heroes like Yankee fans do. Yea, we get pissed when players dont perform but that is because we expect excellence and 100% at all times. Yankee fans are one of, if not the most passionate fanbases in all of sports..whether about good/great players or lousy ones. If a player is scared to fail because of the fans, then I dont want him here.

yankeegirl: I alway have your back but let's admitt it..the NY media can be great but it can also kill a player who's not living up to expectations. They way they do Arod is crazy. That being said I live in Cleveland and CC get's it bad here as well when he doesn't come thru. Even when he was being traded the fans called him a fat this and that for not accepting the Indians below market value offer.

"The hostility towards "the Yankees," which becomes hostility towards "Yankee fans," which becomes hostility towards "New Yorkers" really bothers me."

There are quite a few New Yorkers who think the world revolves around them. Being from NYC doesn't make you smarter or better than anyone else and it pisses everyone off when NYers act like it does.

"SF?? LA?? "Major" markets??? Please..

NY is the only globally relevant city in the United States, and yes, I'm counting DC too."

If Yankees fans don't make comments like this then there would be no hostility. You guys bring it on yourselves.

Respect people from outside NYC more.

"enfoe...exactly how many Yankee games have you been to in your lifetime? Dont believe everything the media feeds you."

Do you booo Arod? KthxBye

I've even seen you guys boo Jeter...

Know how many times Bonds got boo'd in SF? Zero. Never. Not one Giants fan would ever do that.

"Making comments about all New Yorkers because of perceived arrogance from a handful is a textbook case of irony."

Funny. I never hear any NYers disagree with them when they make those comments. How ironic

"If Giants fans want to accept less, so be it. I have never been to a SF game, so I cannot comment. I have however been to many other ballparks and have seen fans of other teams boo their players, including Sox fans booing Manny this past summer."

It's not about expecting less. It's about trying to lift players up instead of kicking them while they are down. We don't forget the good things a player has done for us when he is going through a rough patch.

The Red Sox made CC an offer? Could just be Gammons trying to get the Yankees to inflate theri # so they stay away from Tex.

obviously i'm a fan of neither team, but all i can say and this goes for my team as well is that no one compares I would think to a World Series celebration down the "Canyon of Heroes". Millions upon millions there to cheer on their Yankee team. The only thing that may compare is when Boston won and when the Cubs FINALLY win.

There also is no tradition like the New York Yankees, just as there is none like the Lakers and Celtics in the NBA, the Dallas Cowboys of the NFL and the Montreal Canadiens and to a certain extent the Detroit Red Wings of the NHL.

just one fan of neither team's opinion.

I agree the yanks probably rank at the top of MLB teams with tradition, but the Giants are def. in the top 5 of teams with strong tradition.

Our fans span 2 coasts, 6 WSs, We're much older than the yanks, Giants/Dodgers, and we have the most hall of famers in the MLB.

Just b/c espn slobs a team doesn't always mean they have the strongest traditions...

"That ridiculous. I'm a Giants fan, have been my whole life, and I have booed Bonds. "

I've been to hundreds of Giants games and never once saw a Giants fan boo Bonds. It just wasn't done.

If you were booing Bonds then you were the only one and I'm sure you caught hell for it.

"And you're PROUD of that?"

Yep. Barry was the greatest player of all time. Proud to have him on the Giants.

"Without getting into a right vs wrong tit for tat, you do realize there's a reason other than how great he was that others booed Barry, right?"

Yes. They are Hippocrates who needed a scape goat.

"Well, this WAS an intelligent conversation."

If Barry Bonds SOMEHOW wasn't a cheater, then yeah, he might very well be the greatest player of all time.

Too bad the odds are like 1 in 1000 that he didn't cheat.

I'm a SFG fan and have booed Bonds many times. Not every single Bonds AB like other city's fans did. Most of my frustration with Bonds was his lazy and selfish style of play.

"Well, this WAS an intelligent conversation."

If Barry Bonds SOMEHOW wasn't a cheater, then yeah, he might very well be the greatest player of all time.

Too bad the odds are like 1 in 1000 that he didn't cheat.

scribbletone,

IMO he would have been the greatest or at very least in the top 5. The sad fact was that he didn't need to do it.

its clear that most yankees AND giants fans would love to have CC on their respective teams. You can't blame the Yankees for offering him a big contract if they have the money to spend and you cant blame the Giants for trying to take advantage of a possible home town discount. Ultimately its up to CC, so everyone needs to stop hating on each other and just wait and see what happens.

Fans don't boo their own...come on now...

Milton Bradley was cheered by Dodger fans after throwing a bottle into the stands.

Manny was cheered in Boston after all his shenanigans.

Roger Clemens was cheered after throwing at Piazzas head then later throwing a broken bat at him.

Funny how everyone gets on Barry....and Giants fan for cheering him...

lol

If you don't think Bonds was better than Pujols when he played, you didn't watch Bonds much...

Pujols, now, is the best hitter in the league hands down.. He has the same prowess at the plate that Bonds had in his prime.

"I hate Bonds cause he is a self serving SOB"

Why is that? What did he do specifically to make you believe that?

His attitude towards the media could have a lot to do with the fact that they called him a liar and a cheater on a daily basis...I have a feeling you wouldn't be too happy about that either if you were in his position.

"I also believe that he wasnt even the best player when he played, thats Pujols."

Oh c'mon. You must be crazy.

yankeegirl49,

Now that I can totally respect.

You can debate about Bonds' place in history til you're blue in the face, and I think everyone has had that conversation one too many times. There is no end in sight. The role his relationship with the media and how it has affected his perception in the eyes of society and fandom is something that doesn't get discussed enough. I believe his tension with the media can be traced back much farther than most realize. When his father was coming up to the bigs, he was heralded as the next Willie Mays...what we nowadays would call a 5-tool guy. Since he never lived up to that billing (who could?), he was chastised by the media for years in SF. If that was your dad, don't you think that would affect your dealings with that same media? Especially if you yourself were a highly-touted prospect...

If Roger Clemens were to un-retire (again) and start opening day for your hometown team, isn't it safe to say that he would be cheered wildly? Can you say the same for Barry Bonds? What's the difference between the two?

"best player when he played, thats Pujols. Just my opinion."

agreed if you think bonds was a juicer..

barry bonds put up the best individual seasons in the history of the game..
and i hate barry bonds..
somebody already said he was going to get 500 homeruns and going to get into the hall and then he found mr. conte and he challenged charles barkley for the biggest head in professional sports(size wise and ego)

Bonds was better than Pujols, IMO. Bonds changed a game in a way that hasn't been seen since. You know how you can tell. Albert, while great and with AROD the best player in the current era has walked 100 times a season once. Barry averaged 139 per 162 games for his entire career. While I don't know if it even happened I'd bet he'd be walked with the bases loaded with a 2 run lead.

Everybody nowadays throws around 5 tool players to a ridiculous level. He was one of the best 5 tool players ever.

that being said I believe ANYONE, including players on my team that cheat deserve whatever headaches they get that surround that. I'm talking to you David Bell!

Joe505,

I was kinda thinking the same thing but didn't want to say it. Anyone who's been to even one game in SF with Bonds playing knows the idea of him getting boo'd is pretty LoL

if only you knew the ridicule you will receive for using the term "great Yankee". The only cliche used more is "True Yankee"

"While I don't know if it even happened I'd bet he'd be walked with the bases loaded with a 2 run lead"

yeah wasnt the other guy babe ruth? i think it is im not sure though..

CC sounds like he doesnt want to play in the magnifying glass also known as New York..
East Coast fans are so brutal, ton of passion with out a question but BRUTAL..
LA is the place to be man..
Think how much love Torre got before he managed a game?
LA fans got a taste this past post season of what it means to be a WS caliber team..
if we get furcal, i would go after CC hard.. because i dont think manny signs before that

Hey Phils..were you one of the ones that booed Santa? LOL

Some of this back and forth makes me picture kids on a special olympics medal stand arguing over who is smarter.

Barry Bonds is the best baseball player ever.

I'm pretty sure Babe Ruth is the best baseball player ever, and it's not even close. Remember, he was also an ace-caliber pitcher before he became the Bambino.

Why are people reading so much into this? CC has said, indirectly, that money being similar, he would prefer to pitch on the west coast. Never has he said or anyone in his camp, that he dislikes NY or has any problem playing there. If no one one the left coast comes close to 140 then I think he'll be a Yankee vs being a Brewer, Red Sox or any other non-west coast team.

Irony is that the Yanks are thee most interested team and he's stalling us yet the teams that he would prefer haen't yet made him a priority and the Giants in particular are playing the "how low can you go to be a Giant game".

The CC watch continues. Cash has had his 3rd meeting with CC and this one includes the wifey:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spwebyanks1210,0,3840560.story

Well it looks like all these west cost teams are pulling out.

CC Sabathia and his wife personally wanted to meet with Cashman for another meeting in san francisco and its looking more and more like he will be a Yankee after all... Good for them they needed an Ace like pitcher for the longest time and now they got it.

If I was Sabean, I wouldn't be a dum @$$ and wait until the FA is over to offer contracts to Big time players or heavy hitters and ruin another season for the GIANTS!

Ok!

I think the signing of the bullpen was good.
The signing of Renteria was good for defense but not at bat so it was an average move.

If we were to sign CC this is the line up.
1b Ishikawa/Bowker
2b Burriss
3b Sandoval
C Molina
Lf Lewis
Cf Rowand
Rf Winn

1 Tim
2 CC
3 Cain
4 Zito
5 Sanchez

So basically we lose all our $$$, but have the best pitching in the leugue!
To add at Bat we can trade either Sanchez for Cantu,
Cain and prospects 4 Prince Fielder or Uggla- Good trade.
Lowry for just a average hitter.

if we don't sign sabathia it is going to stay the same because sabean does not mess with the outfield, which I kind of agree. He also wants to start the young on this team. So sabean where can we add at Bat?
I heard Pat Burrell but he is in Lf, Nope Sabean says last on list.
trading sanchez for Cantu, good and bad because he SO too much!
I think we should keep Sanchez and trade cain and some prospects like Alderson for Prince Fielder. GOOD
But what can I do... I'm not sabean!

What do you think?

i hope cc doesnt hear all this talk about him being the giants "fallback option"...whats the point in saying that Sabean, don't make the guy feel more wanted in new york

"god i hope cc doesnt sign with NYY. they are scum. in all aspects of life NY is scum."

rightttt

Joe:
Cain for Cano? We sign Hudson, put him in center and trade Kennedy and Ramirez or Veres for Uggla!

Oh 2010........W.S.#....2...8

I cannot wait for opening day!

The Yanks are back...and so are the haters!

I want to thank the good lord for making me a Yankee fan! ;)

Looks like CC is going to sign with Yanks.