C.C. Sabathia Rumors: Tuesday

If they sign him I hope they don't trade Cain.. Tim, CC, Cain... unstoppable.

Wow.

Lince/CC/Cain/Sanchez/Zito is quite the impressive rotation. They could make the playoffs with the worst offense in the league! ;)

I don't know about the rest of you, but I refuse to listen to Ken Rosenthal

I'm not saying this won't happen, but more than half the things he says do not

Sign CC...

Trade Sanchez / Alderson /Ishikawa combo for Fielder.

SF is the best fit for CC...he would be the ace of a young staff that is setting themselves up for great things the next few years...and they are in CA and have a beautiful park...but back to reality...CC likes money as much as the next guy and the boys in NY are throwing boatloads at him which is way too much to turn down.

"If CC was interested in the Giants, he'd of already meet with them in Vegas. CC wants to be in LA."

Just because we didn't hear about a meeting doesn't mean one hasn't already taken place. And even if they havent met yet, in no way does that mean he isnt interested in the Giants. CC grew up in Vallejo, which is 35 minutes from SF and was a Giants fan as a kid. His wife has said she would prefer to be in SF and he presently lives in Fairfield. Im sure he has atleast some interest in SF.

I would love to see this happen. Mainly just to watch Giants fans implode as their offense scores 1.6 runs a game. They've gotta have some moves in place for some offense if they are seriously considering this.

wow, "supremely confident" is saying something.

could they already have some kind of deal worked out and sabathia was just blowing smoke at the yankees in case the Giants fall through????

how much are the Yankees and their fans shi!!ing themselves right now?

"Why did he leave Vegas so soon? Isn't that the home of the buffet? :)"

Yeah, have you ever had lunch or dinner at the Bellagio's buffet? Good eats!

I thought Monday CC said he 'wants to be a Dodger'.

"Giants officials are "supremely confident" they're going to sign Sabathia."

I am supremely confident Sabathia will sign...somewhere.

supremely confident means crap. Heck Ned Coletti (the actual GM of the Dodgers) claimed that CC wanted to be a Dodger just last night.

The ones that should be worried are the Yankees and the Braves because once CC goes somewhere other than the Bronx, the Yanks will whip out the checkbook for Burnett and blow the Braves away.

"Also, do you really think the Giants will have 2 pitchers cost almost half their payroll? Add in the fact that their offense is worse than a little league team."

I do.

I think they believe the offense will come around enough this year for a rotation headlined by Lince/CC/Cain to win 85 games and contend in the West. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility either with the bullpen upgrades.

Supremely secure ???? As a Yankee fan I don't like the way that sounds..his wife might have a lot to do with with where he ends up...being a New Yorker, if its true that he was asking bout the quality of life in NY...then its a good sign for the Yanks...if Cashman and Co. Showed him the suburbs of NY or Jersey, he will be very happy!! And not to mention $140 million dollars richer!!

"i don't think CC would sign with a team as dismal as SF, especially after his amazing performance in the post-season."

I hope that's sarcasm. five earned runs in 3.2 innings is not what I've qualify as amazing.

ohan,

aren't you the same guy that said the other day that Pucetas and Bumgarner would be pitching in the majors in 2009?

HOMER!

ya and maybe Adam Eaton straightens himself out and becomes a 25 game winner this year for the Phils.

oh and CC remembers also what its like to pitch for a team that can't hit out of a paper bag. He was with the Brewers during their stretch run. And the brewers offense is MUCH better than the Giants. I think he is trying to get the $$$ up from the Yankees knowing they'll pay whatever. He'd sign if they gave him a blank check.

CC is moving his family to Socal, so that is about as important as being from Vallejo.

"The native Californian is moving his offseason home to Southern California and there are indications the family is pushing for a California team."

Source:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081209&content_id=3708111&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

CC is coming to LA. Keep dreaming Giants fans. Maybe Pablo Sandivaol will carry your team next year.
If you have CC, Lincicum, & Cain next year, the Giants have the edge over LA for the next 5 years. Same would happen for us if we have CC, Billingsly & Kershaw. We own you for at least 5 years.
This is a very important player for both the Dodgers & Giants, let alone the Yankees.

Come on Coletti. Do it.

"CC offically said he refuses to play for a team that in uniform would make him look like a pumpkin....so looks like the Giants are out of it."

The Orioles are out of it, too. Don't let the camera fool you. They make his hips look a little wider.

Ohan,

the point is that will NEVER happen in a million years. There is no way Pucetas or Bumgarner, IMO, pitches for the Giants in 2009. They were in High A and Low A in 08? THey're going to be double and triple jumped?

What i meant is i don't take anything you say seriously.

Wait i just looked back. You said trade a bunch of prospects for Fielder. OK, even if the Brewers did that you said IF he didn't pan out, you'd just spin him off. Do you think anyone would take him IF he didn't pan out. Common sense please.

youre kidding me right... Its a comment on a blog.. its not like youre peter gammons bro.

This is all specualtion.. everyone has their own fantasy on whats going to happen... thats my ideal situation.

Thats mine, if you don't like it, dont read it.

Haha I love reading the haters messages...

What do you guys not understand about if CC signs, either Cain or Sanchez/Alderson package will be traded for a bat.

Randy Winn
Prince Fielder
Pablo Sandoval
Bengie Molina

That would be more than decent 3456 combo

Don't worry Ohan, I didn't see any problem in anything you said. Sure, Pucetas and Bumgarner aren't likely to show up in '09, but I would like to know how exactly you (anyone who dissagrees with Ohan) know they won't? Can you see the future? If so, that's pretty cool.

They CAN get Fielder with their prospects and if they don't find it worth it to give him an extension, then they can always flip him. Doesn't mean they're going to get the same value back, but I've seen very few players that are actually "untradeable" and I don't see any way Prince turns into "untradeable" territory before he gets a big contract. Someone will give him a chance and be willing to give up something for him.

If you guys actually read what he said in his original post, I think he makes some good points. Sign CC, trade Sanchez + prospects for a middle of the lineup bat such as Fielder. If he doesn't pan out, they have a prospect on the way to possibly take his place in Villalona.

Seriously, take a minute to actually read what someone is saying before getting on your pedastal acting like you know everything and everyone else isn't as smart as you.

Thank you Papel... I guess Phils WS got to his head...

ohan,

admittedly maybe i was a little over the top, but if you ask Sabean if he forsees Pucetas or Bumgarner pitching in SF in 2009 he'd say no. That's like me thinking the Phils would bring up Drabek in 2009. Not gonna happen. And I only pointed out the things that i thought were totally unrealistic. Didn't think i wasn't allowed an opinion.

Also I think the prospects better be very good to give you Fielder. Sanchez needs to prove himself for a full year before he goes for a 1B that's hit 50 HR's in the majors.

My problem as i've stated here before is that to me the Giants fans on here (that I'm sure will come bashing me now but i don't care) overvalue their prospects to a degree not seem by any franchise. Again, just my opinion and last i checked i was allowed it.

"Any of you knuckle-headed dreamers who think the difference will be in the neighborhood of $20mm overall are simply smoking crack.

If he signs in NY, he'll make MORE THAN $!00 MILLION in endorsements over the life of the contract. SF?? LA?? "Major" markets??? Please..

NY is the only globally relevant city in the United States, and yes, I'm counting DC too."

Biased, maybe? The only globally relevant city in the US? That's absurd. Also, the player who currently has the most endorsement money is A-Rod (btw, already playing in NY) who makes about $7 mil/year. I doubt CC will approach that. Assume he does: 6 yrs (length of proposed contract) X $7 mil (amount of Arod's endorsement) = $42 mil....which is far less than $100 mil. Yankees fans kill me...you're right, SF and LA aren't major markets....moron.

Phil..I mean yeah their is some truth to what your saying, but lets go back and look at some of the pitchers that have come out of the Giants farm system in the last 10 years: Lincecum, Cain, Nathan, Ortiz, Foulke, Liriano, Wilson - pretty solid group.

I just mentioned Fielder b/c I think a SP hungry team like the Brewers who are about to lose 2 aces are going to be willing to trade a bat for a couple high ceiling cheap pitchers.

Ideally it would be for a package like Sanchez +. Sanchez and Alderson is a rock solid package that should return a proven bat.

This only makes sense if we sign CC. If we can't land CC, it'll probably be best to just stick with what we have and keep building from within.

WOOOHOOOOO That a boy CC money isn't everything. The yanks horrible ownership is finally catching up with them.

Giants have a good farm but the A's, Rangers, Rays have better systems IMO.

CC rejects Yankees offer after talks with Giants????

Something is goin down.

"I'd be surprised if the Giants could pull off a Fielder trade without Cain being involved, which IMO would lessen the effect of signing CC."

lol.

Getting Fielder would not lessen the effect of signing CC. It'd be the best part. That turns the Giants into contenders

Texeira will be a Yankee now.

Yanks need to move to Tex and some of to the other pitchers.

Are the people gloating about the possibility of him having turned down the Yanks the same people who said that he was too fat and his arm was gonna fall off?

...and this begins the first ever ritual of Yankee fans crapping themselves as they realize they might not be able to buy everyone after all. Just wait to see the reaction after the Sox sign both Texeria and Lowe

tmactn,

Whenever i have mentioned this, I have mentioned it specifically per player and per deal so do me a favor and don't go acting like an idiot. Go ahead and give me crap, i honestly don't care. I've said Sanchez for Cantu, IMO (if i'm still allowed it) is a fair deal. Cantu was hurt and put up numbers the Giants would KILL for with their lineup. And Sanchez while getting a K per inning hasn't proven anything over a full season even and his ERA is over 5 for his career. And some were on here acting like he's the second coming of Sandy Kaufax.

Bumgarner, Alderson, Posey, Villalona I've never said that they weren't A+ prospects. The Giants have a great system. I've only ever said that while I see totally unrealistic trades on this site from all fans, IMO I see the most from Giants fans.

So go ahead and twist my words around. That's all your doing.

Ohan,

yes to me Sanchez and Alderson is a very fair deal for Fielder and something the Brewers might have to consider if they realize they're rebuilding in 2009.

I wonder if anybody realizes its an unconfirmed rumor... If another major source confirms it, then it's true...

I wonder if anybody realizes its an unconfirmed rumor... If another major source confirms it, then it's true...

and the rumor is coming from the SF writers. Don't worry, in about 30 minutes or less I'm sure the NY writers will confirm it one way or the other and as someone said above that would be dumb to do that because i can hear the Giants and Dodgers price just drop.

"3:39pm: Joel Sherman doesn't say anything about the Yanks' offer being declined, but he does say the Yanks have heightened interest in A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe as Brian Cashman continues to wait on C.C."

I don't know what this means, but it seems like CC declining is not true, unless Sherman just didn't hear it. You need like 3 major sources.

"He's had 24 days to consider the Yankees offer and no other team has come close!"

How do you know?

The agent should have nothing to do with this. Guess what everybody, people from San Francisco love this place and that extends throughout the entire Bay Area. The vast, vast, vast majority of people from here would take it over New York any day. 100, 110, 120 million is 100, 110, 120 million; is an extra 20 million necessary. I do not see why people cannot imagine leaving that money on the table, it isnt even that tough of a decision if you are going somewhere you are from, love, and your family loves. Give it up New Yorkers, congratualtions its a "marketable city," too bad the only people who give two shits about that is people from there. Not saying I hate New York at all, its a great city for a one week trip every other year, other than that you can have it....and we can have CC

It so fascinating how much people hate on the Yankees and their 26 world series. So hypocritical that when it looked extremely probable that the yankees were going to sign CC that people were sayin he was too fat and that his arm is gonna fall off. BUt now that theres a possibility that some west coast team might sign them its a totally different story.

Yankees and we the fans can never win with any other fans because like some of you said. If we sign a pitcher like CC its a bad deal and we paid to much. But if another team gets him they made the greatest deal ever in the history of baseball and they will win the world series. We are "Damned if we do,Damned if we dont".

Also ESPN said the report is false.

" The vast, vast, vast majority of people from here would take it over New York any day."

I live in SF, and I'm a Giants fan, but I'd choose NYC over SF any day. But NYC is even MORE expensive in every way than this yuppie cow town I live in!

That said, most people do love this city, and location could totally be a factor for leaving 20 mil on the table when you're already over the guaranteed $100mil line.

"Baseball Tonight just said the rumor is untrue and he hasnt turned anything down yet."

Not surprised. I thought it was fairly odd that Sabathia would so quickly turn down the largest offer he got financially, basically turning away the one team that could push bidding farther.

Teams like the Brewers, Giants, Angels and Dodgers don't seem willing to beat New York's offer, but I think it is becoming more clear that the whole not wanting to play in NYC thing is very legitimate.

I think we could very well see Sabathia sign elsewhere, with New York overspending to land Burnett (5/90?) and/or Lowe (5/80?).

Also, I think the Yankees will end up being the team that signs Sheets, ESPECIALLY if they don't land Sabathia.

A rotation of Wang, Sheets, Burnett, Joba and Hughes/Pettitte is still pretty damn good, as long as Sheets and Burnett (doubtful..) stay healthy.

No he is going to reject the Yankees i just know it. I hope actually he signs with them. I dont want to have to deal with the Brewers again and a offer of 100 mil isnt going to cut it. Baggardly doesnt have any sources proving his claims therefore what he says about the Yankees being out (which was ridiculous) and the brewers being the front runners holds as much credibility as me saying the Cubs have just traded for Peavy and the move is pending a physical.

no he isnt going to reject the yankees*

All this waiting around does kind of make you wonder if Cashman is behind the scenes telling Hank to put a muzzle on his mouth, this isn't the 70's and early 80's where players were not making avg salaries of 100K anymore, most ballplayers afford to live comfortably and 120 million and 140 million, is that a huge difference to have to put up with hank's crap over 6 years worth it?

Enfoe,

"I'd be surprised if the Giants could pull off a Fielder trade without Cain being involved, which IMO would lessen the effect of signing CC."

lol.

Getting Fielder would not lessen the effect of signing CC. It'd be the best part. That turns the Giants into contenders

What I meant was that I'd rather have CC/Cain/Lincecum, and trade a package including Sanchez, Lewis or Burris and Alderson for a guy like Konerko (just off the top of my head) than trade Cain for Fielder and have to count on Sanchez as No.3. Having Cain in the 3 spot in the rotation would give teh Giants a huge advantage over any NL team outside of Chicago.

"Having him certainly helps a team's cause to win a World Series. Plenty of great players haven't won WS yet, that hardly defines their value."

Cubbyfan...you're right, but my only point was that its not the end of the world or the Yanks season if they dont get him.

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