Khalil Greene Traded To St. Louis

Makes me happy simply because the Braves won't get Peavy!

Wonder how many innings Atl gets out of Mr. DL Burnett over the next 5 seasons! Haha

Wow, I've never heard a player bash their organization as Worrell does in that interview. Even if he is right, I can't imagine any club likes to see that in a player they are going to pick up. But yeah, after that interview I wouldn't be surprised if he is on his way to SD!

hmmmm i didnt realize greene has a career .250 clip. but you cant argue with his power numbers (aside from 08)

Good for Mark! I'm glad to see him headed somewhere he'll (hopefully) be appreciated. San Diego has a pretty good track record of developing relievers that are undervalued by their former teams. I thought a few years ago that Worrell was our closer of the future and since then he's flown very under the radar. I don't think he'll be in the back of the Pads bullpen but by mid next year I bet he's thought of as very useful.

One reason I think Worrell was shortchanged in St. Louis was because he's unorthodox. He throws like a sidearmer but his release point is actually very near his body so there is quite a bit of deception. The Padres, I think, value deception, while the Cardinals have their own mantra regarding pitchers and conformity, at least Dave Duncan does...

Why all the hoopla over Khalil Greene. He is a rich man's Juan Uribe, they are the same age also.

Career Numbers (OBP/SLG/AVG):
Greene 0.304/0.427/0.248
Uribe 0.295/0.423/0.253

Sign Uribe for a dollar and save your prospects. They have the exact same fielding percentage .976 as well.

Redbirdfan,

Seems like he would have at least gotten a September callup, doesn't it?

WhiteSoxFan,

Adjust for the fact that Uribe hit in one of the best hitters parks in baseball, while Khalil hit in one of the worst, and you start to see the difference.

CubbyFan23: "*head explodes*"

And the Cubs are offering what now?

Little Bear, the fact that Lugo is in your proposal at the top would stop it dead in its tracks before either team got to the rest of the players. Do you see the irony of trying to dump an over-priced under-performing SS on another team being in this thread? SD could not afford Khalil's $6.5m one year contract, and they are about the last team that could swallow Lugo's horrific $18-27m two to three remaining years.

"And the Cubs are offering what now?"

Did I ever even mention any Cubs offer? Now that you brought it up though, they've floated Josh Vitters, the #1 prospect in the system, Felix Pie, the ex #1 prospect in the system, Ronny Cedeno who was a top ten and is a decent prospect, Sean Marshall who is the same, etc.

Your offer included a SS that no one will take (granted with cash, but his value is nil), van Every, a minor league free agent signing a year ago who did not do anything to show that he's anything more than a fourth outfielder at best, and a choice of Zink or Pauley, two guys who probably wouldn't land in the top ten for any team out there.

If you cannot understand how one offer is miles better than the other (and how that Red Sox offer is basically a bunch of reserves for one of the best pitchers in baseball), with the fact that Peavy won't play for Boston on top of that all, I am not sure what to say.

Note that I haven't said in here anywhere that I would take the Cubs offer if I was KT. I'm not sure why people always make assumptions. Either way, our "offer" trumps yours and I'm not sure you could even acquire a mid rotation starter with yours, let alone an ace.

VAFriar:

Little Bear, the fact that Lugo is in your proposal at the top would stop it dead in its tracks before either team got to the rest of the players. Do you see the irony of trying to dump an over-priced under-performing SS on another team being in this thread? SD could not afford Khalil's $6.5m one year contract, and they are about the last team that could swallow Lugo's horrific $18-27m two to three remaining years.

Maybe if you had a longer attention span, you would have noticed the bundle of cash to pay most of Lugo's salary.

"Greene has a career OPS North of .800 outside of Petco. Clearly, the Cardinals are betting on that...which is probably pretty reasonable."

2 points "north of .800." Greene's away splits are much better than Uribe's, as Uribe's home splits are higher. I agree, Greene's overall numbers will imporve moving away from Petco.

And Greene is the better player, just seems like a lot of people have been clamoring for him when I think there are affordable comparable players out there, with probably not as much "upside" (if you can still use that term for a player his age).

Is this a stop-gap for the Cards to compete now? Is there someone coming up on the farm system or is this a longer term solution? Just curious

Not surprised that it's Worrell being traded, in his most recent interview he seemed pretty upset with the Cardinals organization.

Oh lord. 1 full year of Luis Rodriguez at shortstop. To paraphrase Ryan Leaf's fan club, Luis Rodriguez makes Khalil Greene look like an All-Star.

I'm not sure what the excitement is about Greene going to the Cardinals. Pitcher's park to pitcher's park. Maybe since he'll be around better hitter's parks more often, his numbers will go up? You're still looking at someone who averages .248 and strikes out three times as often as he walks.

And I don't buy the argument that he might return to his 2007 form when that in itself looked like an abnormal spike in power numbers. Granted he wasn't hitting in a potent lineup over in San Diego, but will Pujols and either Ankiel or Ludwick be enough to make a difference for him? I don't think so.

His value dropped down to two surplus prospects and rightfully so.

"Khalil is an enigma at the plate, but you do know you'll get quality defense and, at worst, some pop at the plate. "

This is pretty much how most descrive Uribe...

Selig wouldn't want the Padres to...

The commish has to approve of any trade where there is a million or more dollars exchanged.

Its the Cards that wanted the money, Selig just has to approve.

Khalil will thrive in a baseball town! Hitting in a big league line up and having fans and ownership that want to win will be the best thing for him! Hometown all-star in 09

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081204&content_id=3701844&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

its now offical! above is the link. I believe this is a great low risk deal for STL. He can't hit worse than Izturis and while he is not as good defensively as Izturis he is still very good on the defensive end!

Here's the Press Release.
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20081204&content_id=3703249&vkey=pr_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Greene was a -4 on Bill James system last year, good for 24th at SS. It might be "bad luck" or it might be regression at age 28...only time will tell.

I also said that the difference was the park that they played in...but numbers wise, they are nearly identical, so I don't think its really that bad of a comp. I was making a point that Uribe at 2 or 3 mil might be worth thinking about rather than Khalil for 6.5 plus a prospect or two.

Now, we know that the Cards

1. Got money as well
2. Traded someone they weren't going to use anyway

So I think Greene is the better choice. I was just making a point, which I still believe to be valid.

the Halos have a bunch of shortstops...

Angels get:
Jake Peavy

Padres get:
Erick Aybar
Jered Weaver
pitching prospect not named Adenhart or Walden

I believe STL should give Greene a contract extention. We had a shortstop in the '80s that peple say can not hit, but can play the heck out of defense. Just put a power hitter behind Greene will be Pujols. If they hd a batter behind Smith, then Ozzie might hit better. All they had is one Jack Clark. Greene will be the start of the offseason for the Cardinals, but it will not be the end. They now need a 2nd baseman, unless Kennedy change his mind again. If you not look atit, they might trade Kennedy for some minor leaguers and go after Gradz. When Grad was in STL, his career was going downhill. After he got out of STL, the Cardinals made a mistake not signing up for longer and they only need one year now with the minor leagues coming up fast. With Greene and Pujols being the vetarens and some players like Freese and Wallace playing in 2010, then STL will be tough for years to come. With a new manager, probally Oquendo in 2010, STL will show the world that they do have talent. Last year, the experts say STL will not do anything but a last place team. What happen is STL was in the race tell September with a rotation that is in shambles and a bullpen by commentiy. If the Cardinals get a closer, like Woods and sign a softpaw, then the experts might think of not underestimating a team of what TB did this year.

By the way, also think of who is teaching some hitters on STl more about hitting the baseball. Noone but BigMac himself. Who else will people think Ludwick did what he did this year.

WhiteSoxFan...to answer your question

We really dont have a prospect coming up for the next couple of years at least....Tyler Greene will ge a look in Spring training...other than that the only other prospect i can think of is Kozma but hes just now turning 20

As a Cubs fan, I PRAY that you put Greene in the 2 hole, in front of Albert. Nothing like a .300 OBP in front of the best hitter in the game...

A scubs fan wants to talk about building a line-up! Hey go watch Soriano strike out to lead off the game a few more times for him to hit those 2 lead off homeruns!

wait isn't 3 players that are in the Khalil Greene trade or 2?