Rangers Could Still Trade Another Catcher

Looks like, if the Sox don't want to give Varitek 2 years, are going to end up having to trade Lowrie+ for Shoppach...and settle with Lugo as SS for the next two years.

Or trade Lowrie for Shoppach, then turn around and sign Furcal.

If the Red Sox sign Teixeira, would some deal involving Lowell for Shoppach make sense?

vtadave- there were rumors the Dodgers might move Martin to 3B. Coletti is "probably not interested" is probably a sign that they don't want to do that and rightfully so.

If it takes that much to get Kelly Shoppach . Andrew ill think ill pass

Of course you do Andrew.

Never mind the fact the Sox have plenty of prospects and plenty of potential catchers available. Salty and Shoppach may not even be the most appealing options...

Oh, I forgot. The almighty, dynastiest of dynasty, smartiest of smart, amazingest of amazing Red Sox are never in a bad position, nor is it ever possible for them to be in one. My apologies to the keeper of the torch.

The facts are that Texas needs to be blown away (think at least Buchholz, and only to start with) to deal another one of their young, promising catchers, and Cleveland needs a significant haul to deal their catcher to the Sox.

I repeat: the Sox are not in a good position.

Andrew,
Relax...

Tek doesn't really have many other options outside of Boston and there are plenty of teams with a suitable band-aid catcher available.

Sox are in a fine position because they have young, cost controlled pitching depth they can deal.

The Rangers dealt Laird for below average arms and you have to believe they made the Sox aware of what Detroit was giving up to see if they would top it;the Sox didn't top the low offering of Detroit because they aren't desperate.

Kevin Cash is capable of hitting just as bad as Tek and he actually plays better defense so no one in the Sox F.O is worried right now.

If the Sox sign Teixeira then Lowell + $$ for Shoppach makes sense for both sides.

Lowrie can also be dealt in a pinch without the acquisition of Teixeira.

Buchholz is projected to be the #5 guy right now so he can also be moved and the Sox can sign a Free Agent pitcher.

I guess what you don't understand about the Sox being in a "good" position is they have a variety of avenues they can go down to fill their catching need. Most teams generally only have a few options to make moves but with the shape the Sox roster is currently in, a catcher is their only "need" and they have plenty of extra, desirable guys they can deal for that need.

Just another outside the box idea (more to show that the Sox are not in a bad position given their flexibility to move various players / eat bad contracts)

Miguel Montero / Eric Byrnes for Julio Lugo + $4 Milliom.

D-backs get a 2B and move Byrnes terrible contract.

Sox get a young catcher with 20+HR power and get a Right-Handed OF capable of playing CF for their 4th OF hole.

If this doesn't work, I still like the Sox matching up for Montero as Josh Byrnes/Theo obviously have a solid working relationship.

No way the Astros look for a catcher that is top tier. They want Q or Towles in there in 2010

gammons might as well and came out and said that he is talking about the red sox, i mean we all know he is since thats the only other team with a young starter texas wants (buchholz), and we need a good catcher

I really think the O's should wait till the trade deadline to trade Ramon Hernandez. Simple. As KangarooBoxer said, the Wieters situation. Keeping him in AAA for the first month or so of the season to stall his FA by an extra year is really good for the team in the long run. There is no need to rush Wieters. None whatsoever.

"Miguel Montero / Eric Byrnes for Julio Lugo + $4 Milliom."

I like that idea, actually. Although, now the Diamondbacks need a catcher..

"Masterson for Shoppach anyone? Maybe the Ramon Ramirez deal set this up"

Shoppach will cost more than Masterson. You have to put together multiple good prospects. Young, cost controlled catchers are not abundant.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/12/catching_fallou.html

This article says Salty was catching a knuckleball so it could be they were testing him in anticipation of a deal with the Sox. Just a thought.

Soxcurse - The article says the Tigers are close to getting Adam Everett, not Julio Lugo!

Former Mets GM Steve Phillips is reporting that the Tigers appear close to a deal for shortstop Adam Everett, which could have some ramifications for the Sox. Detroit was in the market for a shortstop and was, at one point, a potential place for Julio Lugo to land. Everett, who played 48 games during an injury-plagued season with the Twins in '08, is excellent defensively but is a limited offensive player. Maybe the Tigers are hoping he could have the kind of impact for them that Jason Bartlett had for the Rays. After all, the Tigers have the offense to carry Everett.

Quade -- Agree with you 100% about the Sox making a big mistake in giving up Shoppach. I wonder if they ever asked him to catch a knuckleball when he was in the minors. I'd love to see him make a return, but fear how much it will take to get him back. As long as we don't need to bring back Andy Marte as part of the swap, it's OK.

I can't believe he didn't mention the possibility of the Red Sox acquiring Russell Martin for Julio Lugo. If Gammons could have an erection it would be for Martin.

Here is what I'm hearing could get Boston Shoppach from Cleveland sources.
Masterson / Lowrie and a low A type infielder or pitcher with upside ( doesn't have to be a top prospect type )
The rumors here about Cincy is the young 3rd baseman E Encarnacion or maybe bring Phillips back in some type of Shoppach deal.
The Indians currently have Peralta plain everyday in winterball and he has played very well 2 errors in the last 15 games . So they have how pretty much deided to focus on a defensive 2nd baseman or proven young closer type in a Shoppach deal .

I would not give up Bucholz or Masterson for anything less than Russell Martin. Bucholz has #1 potential and Masterson is the second coming of Derek Lowe (without the baggage).