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Olney's Latest: Manny, Abreu, Dunn

Buster Olney reports that Scott Boras seems to be taking the same approach with Manny Ramirez as he did with Derek Lowe; that is, to wait.

Olney says "Camp Manny" is "waiting for some other team to be tempted by what Ramirez could do for them, waiting for an offer larger than that made by the Dodgers to develop."

The Dodgers are waiting as well. Olney reports they are not likely to increase their offer of 2 years, $45MM that was offered and promptly ignored in November. Also waiting for something to happen are Bobby Abreu and Adam Dunn. Should Manny wind up on the Giants, Abreu and Dunn may find themselves with leverage to negotiate with the Dodgers. Olney writes, "And given that Dunn and Abreu know that they can find homes at any time for one-year deals, there really is no downside for them to see how the Ramirez situation plays out."


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Manny is SF makes sense and is the extra veteran push and middle of the lineup Bat needed take the division in the West. Dodgers however need him more and should really just wait it out if he really wants to play there or not. If the Rays could add one more power bat they could be really really scary!

Players and agents better start looking at the economic conditions. People out of work means less fans, has to happen. Teams have to be skeptical about signing long term, high salary contracts, to older players. Injuries are the reason.
Think about Tampa last year, shows you good drafting, some good value trades, and it is not out of the question almost all teams are in the hunt for the play-offs.
GM'S have to be careful about spending. These players are running out of years, better take what teams are offering. Holy Toledo, these players are talking about millions of dollars, while people are struggling to pay a mortgage. This cannot look good for baseball.

I wonder if there's any thought among the Yankees front office of trading Nady for position prospects and maybe signing Abreu to a one year deal, allowing Abreu to re-enter the market in 2010 and shoot for a better deal next year, when the economy might be better and the OF market thinner?

Yanks could bat Abreu 3rd, Arod 4th and Tex 5th.

no abreu in new york.

Why don't owners and GM's take a harder stance with Boras. Give Manny a time table to sign or move on. Take away the Boras power.

How can a club plan their 2009 spring and regular season if everything waits on Boras?

Boras just kicked the Braves A--'s on the Lowe Signing. do the Dodgers and or SF's want the same to happen to them?

YFS78-

That actually would be a good idea. Trade Nady and sign Abreu. Quintessentially, the Yankees are "buying" prospects, but other teams do that all the time (most of the time through the avenue of eating the salary of a player just so they can get nice/better prospects in return---think Casey Blake trade or Kotsay-to-Braves trade).

"Boras just kicked the Braves A--'s on the Lowe Signing. do the Dodgers and or SF's want the same to happen to them?"

How did Boras kick the Braves' a.ss on the Lowe signing? That deal is a perfectly fair market value deal for Lowe, who is still a VERY dominant pitcher and is one of the most durable and consistent (both in performance and in very low injury risk) pitchers in the game.

Just because the rumored theoretical numbers were lower doesn't mean that a deal was going to get done at those numbers.

"Why don't owners and GM's take a harder stance with Boras. Give Manny a time table to sign or move on. Take away the Boras power."

It's harder when Boras is the agent of one of the best righthanded hitters of this generation. Manny could transform a team, and that's why Boras still has a bit of leverage.

Do you think Bobby Abreu is having the effect on a team that Manny had?

I don't see how Boras kicked the barves a** with the lowe deal. He would of probably got a better one from the mets if we had not given that much. We needed a front line starter. Got it. WE didn't let the mets get him. Bonus. sure we gave more than what people thought we should but we couldn't win a bidding war with the mets so we surprised him with a deal and told him take it or leave it. he took it.

YanksFan:
I agree Yankees should trade Nady for a position prospect while Nady is coming off a career year and resign Abreu who for some reason nobody wants because he is afraid of walls???

CF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
1B Mark Teixeira
3B Alex Rodriguez
RF Bobby Abreu
DH Hideki Matsui
LF Nick Swisher
C Jorge Posada
2B Robinson Cano


I don't see how Boras kicked the barves a** with the lowe deal. He would of probably got a better one from the mets if we had not given that much. We needed a front line starter. Got it. WE didn't let the mets get him. Bonus. sure we gave more than what people thought we should but we couldn't win a bidding war with the mets so we surprised him with a deal and told him take it or leave it. he took it.


Agreed 100%

I think the Braves will get one of these if they don't get Nady/Swisher/Ludwicl

It's harder when Boras is the agent of one of the best righthanded hitters of this generation. Manny could transform a team, and that's why Boras still has a bit of leverage.
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Leverage in what aspect? I just don't see a "sleeper" team out there unless the Yanks decide to jump in as a competitor to SF and LA. Who else can afford him, has a need to fill and has expressed, more than a cursory thought of acquiring him?

That being said, even if it meant competing against themselves, the Dodgers should offer Man-NY the 3rd year just to appease him and to help him save face. Man-NY is the wrong guy to play a game of chicken with. The Dodgers can win the battle but will they win the war if Man-NY's unhappy?

Do the math sabean! With a stud like Manny in the 3,4,5 spot guys like Cain wont be 8-14. He'd be a lot closer to 20-5!!! A solid pitcher with No Run Support!!! I believe he was averaging less than 2 runs a game of support...Choke on that Sabean!!!

CF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
1B Mark Teixeira
3B Alex Rodriguez
RF Bobby Abreu
DH Hideki Matsui
LF Nick Swisher
C Jorge Posada
2B Robinson Cano
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I would flip flop Abreu and Tex. And I would keep Damon in LF w/ Melky/Gardner in CF and Swish filling in 4 spots. He could still get 400-500 at bats as the "johhny on the spot".

If the Yankees sign Abreu and Manny datz a team u gonna be scard of. With Manny and Abreu u might just wanna give them da ring b4 da season starts

CF Milledge
SS Jeter
1B Teixeira
3B A-Rod
DH Manny
RF Abreu
LF Nady
C Posada
2B Cano


Swish Melky Mastui and Damon would end up getting traded
and the Yankees will aquire
Milledge

Keep dreaming Jay hahaha.

Yeah and the Dodgers are going to trade for Hanley Ramirez, sign Manny, trade for Peavy and trade for Pujols.

*shakes head.

The likelihood that Matsui gets traded OVER Nady is very, very slim.

Also, I don't get why people consider the Giants to be in the same "boat" as the Dodgers on the Manny sweepstakes. Multiple times, multiple sources have cited the Giants brass as both having very little fiscal flexibility, both in terms of the contract salary demands, as well as the years being asked for.

The Giants are what I would consider to be semi-interested, just as the Yankees are. Whereas the Dodgers are full on interested. There are a few teams lurking in the shadows (like the Nationals and Angels) who could enter in, but are most likely not to.

Most teams out there are not short in the outfield. And most teams, though they sure could use a player like Manny, don't necessarily NEED him like the Dodgers or Giants do. Teams that either need a big bat, or a leftfielder, or both, don't have the financial leverage to make such a move.

Ultimately, the only two teams that legitimately have a shot at Manny are the Dodgers and Giants, though it looks like the Giants are becoming increasingly disinterested in Manny. I think Boras is TRULY banking on the hope that the Yankees trade Nady, and pursue Manny to drive up the price. But, that all is likely not to happen IMO.

Out of the ones "linked" to the Braves, I'd prefer Dunn.

Why?

Dunn- Yes he swings like he wants to hit the ball into a river, and it does cost him 20 points in his batting average and probably 10 homers, but he is the Power-hitter in left we DESPERATELY need. Besides he can, HOPEFULLY, be had on a 2 yr 20-25 million dollar deal if a team doesn't snag him on a better deal

Nady- Scott Boras is his agent, is that enough? Although, he is right-handed, he isn't all that powerful, plus he isn't all that good

Swisher- Many people prefer him, but he just batted .240! He isn't powerful, but he does have pretty good upside. If we don't get Dunn, He'd be my second option

Ludwick- He may/may not be a one-year wonder, that scares me. Plus, he won't be hittin behind Pujols if we get him, so that kinda scares me, as well. Not to mention, we'd have to give up Kelly Johnson and/or Mike Gonzalez, the only way that happens is if, they give us Rick Ankiel, haha!


AAAANNNNDDDDRRRRUUUUUWWWWW Jones- I, like the Braves, am torn over him. I wish they'd take a chance on him. Who knows, maybe if he comes back to the ATL, he can ressurect his career, doubt it though. It'd be nice to see .245 avg, 25-30 HRs, and at least 85 RBI's.


Go Braves!!

"That being said, even if it meant competing against themselves, the Dodgers should offer Man-NY the 3rd year just to appease him and to help him save face. Man-NY is the wrong guy to play a game of chicken with. The Dodgers can win the battle but will they win the war if Man-NY's unhappy?"

Why would the Dodgers do that? Manny is going to be 37 years old. He wants $25M a year. While he may be worth that in 2009, is he going to be able to avoid injury in 2010 and 2011?
If the Dodgers are really looking to give out 3 years, they can go after a free agent who will be 29 next season. He will also only cost about $13M a season. Here's the OPS projections for next season for this free agent and Manny:
Bill James: Manny .955 Free Agent .913
CHONE: Manny .941 Free Agent .846
Marcel: Manny .923 Free Agent .871

For $10M less a season, a player who is younger and who will put up production that is close enough to Manny, the Dodgers have no reason to go to 3 years. This free agent? Adam Dunn.
There's also no reason the Dodgers couldn't go to Boras and tell them they were offering Manny a 2/$45M plus 1 year $25M option and tell him if they didn't take it they were going to sign Dunn for 3/$39M. Then, if Manny balks and they sign Dunn, they could watch Manny's price plummet with no other suitors. They could then go back to Boras and tell them they'd offer the exact same 2/$45M deal and have both Manny and Dunn. They could then package Loney and Pierre off to a team for either pitching or other prospects. Maybe a team like the Marlins if the Dodgers ate some of Pierre's salary. Or they could just trade Loney to the Marlins for young pitching without including Pierre if the Marlins wouldn't take Pierre on.

I heard quite some time ago that the Dodgers offers for Manny was off the table. Why are people still talking about it as if it's a current option?

Because Colletti has said that they would base another deal around the 2/$45M deal that was offered. Colletti has said that they will keep the deal short, but hasn't lowered the amount offered.

The Dodgers will eventually sign Manny, and the media will spin this into a love fest, and that it was bound to happen. Ramirez said "It's not about the money, it's about being happy". Yeah sure. I think Boras would rather his client retire than cave in on contract demands. Look for the 3 year+option offer coming to a blog near you... Lowe's ERA is going to go way up in the NL East folks. I'm not sure how anyone could honestly think he is going to earn 60 Mil, you've got to be friggin' kidding me. Good luck with Lowe, because you are going to need more than "Good Defense" to win ballgames. The Dodgers defense didn't make the ball fly over the wall in the playoffs. The Yankees should sign Adam Dunn and let him DH, he would hammer the ball in that lineup.

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