Pirates Talk Nady, Swisher With Yankees

um.. what was the point of this post your saying is unlikey they will give up any young talent?

"little cause to expect a deal involving either coming to Pittsburgh,"

The Pirates are talking to the Yankees about players they have no interest in. Is this a non-story?

trade nady for players they gave up for him was that a joke?

would be stupid for the pirates to take nady back and i would be pissed if the A's took swisher back and let go of young talent

I'd take Tabata back in a heartbeat. bucs won't give him back now, though

This has to be the funniest rumor seen yet and if it is true (doubtful) and that idiot Huntington actually gave up any kind of decent prospect package for a 1 season rental of Nady, after getting taken to the cleaners in the original trade... Well, Pirates fans should build a public scaffold is putting it mildly...

Is Nady going to be a type A? If he is then he has value to any team acquiring him that has no plans to sign him.

Sorry about that, Baseball America ranked Tabata as the 37th best prospects in MiLB back in February.

The Yanks never should have traded Jose Tabata, anyway. He is a top-100, likely top-50 or better, prospect in the game today. I didn't get the deal then, and I still don't. Then again, Cashman isn't the first GM to regret a deal.

Posted by: soxfan93 | January 08, 2009 at 07:56 PM

Well now, hold on. If the Yanks hold on to a previously high-ranked prospect (i.e. Hughes) both the team and their fan base are accused of "overvaluing their prospects... again." Yet if we move them before they start to develop any of their promise, it's a terrible decision.

Tabata WAS highly plugged. But in his second full year of A ball his power numbers declined rapidly while those of Austin Jackson skyrocketed, making Tabata expendable.

At the time of the trade every single column I read described it as a clear win for the Yanks. Now, Tabata hit 2 HR in the 5 games he played for PIT in the Gulf Coast after the trade, but that doesn't necessarily mean he got his stroke back. And even if he has, in the Yanks' mind they were moving him when his hype hadn't fully gone away yet, though his talent had yet to live up to it.

The Pirates have been "rebuilding" my entire life. I seriously was like 5 when Leyland and Bonds were in the playoffs together.

Get a new owner/GM Pittsburgh, you deserve way better.

It really ticks me off that Nady was an awesome player in Pittsburgh and New York doesn't even care to accept him. He deserves better than to play with those greedy bums, I guess because he's not making 10M he should be off the team. Pittsburgh should get Cano and Nady, we'd be able to appreciate both of them.

Sorry, just a rant. While I'd like to see Nady in Pittsburgh, it wouldn't make much sense to trade much of value for him. But it would be nice to see him here for a year and try to make a run, then maybe get some draft picks when he leaves.

That's true. However, I think the Yankees could have gotten a much better OF for Tabata from a rebuilding team. Just my opinion. I like Nady, but... Is it me, or does it seem like he's been around forever? Lol.

And Johns, my mistake. I did actually forget about Damaso Marte.

It really ticks me off that Nady was an awesome player in Pittsburgh and New York doesn't even care to accept him. He deserves better than to play with those greedy bums, I guess because he's not making 10M he should be off the team. Pittsburgh should get Cano and Nady, we'd be able to appreciate both of them.

Sorry, just a rant. While I'd like to see Nady in Pittsburgh, it wouldn't make much sense to trade much of value for him. But it would be nice to see him here for a year and try to make a run, then maybe get some draft picks when he leaves.

Posted by: bigpat | January 08, 2009 at 08:15 PM

You're talking about a 30 year old who was a ~100 OPS+ player for his career up until last year who, though a beast for the first half in PIT, finished batting .260 for the Yanks. Where you see an amazing player who "finally clicked" the Yanks front office MAY (remember these are rumors) see a man coming off a career year whose trade stock will never be higher.

Being "greedy bums" has nothing to do with it. We love our underpaid youngsters - check on as many threads on this website as you want to find other fans accusing Yankee fans of overestimating Wang, Cano, Joba, and Hughes's worth.

There's a reason X has played for 4 teams in 4 years.

soxfan93: I would've liked to hold on to Tabata as well but we did get 2 players we needed in Nady and Marte while we tried to make a run for the playoffs. People talk about Nady's drop in avg and obp but he still hit 12 hrs and drove in 40 runs, both of which were 2nd to only Arod on the team.

Out of the 4 prospects Tabata and to a much, much, lesser extent, McClutchen were the only ones I ad reservations on. However, the Yanks got a guy who performed well for us and could do again in 2009. Karstens is a AAAA/5th Starter/Long relief guy at best and O'dorf thros hard but was hammered in the majors. He MAY develop into a decent relief guy, but remember he was a SP who failed to live up to expectations.

I don't see any deal going down. The Pirates are in "rebuild" mode and I doubt they're going to want to give up the kind of prospect(s) it would take to get Nady. And Swisher seems to be owed too much over the next few years for the Pirates to be happy about.

and i heard Manny was going to sign with Boston too.

come on this trading either to the Pirates? Why cause Pirates are going to compete this year?

I recall reading a story about Tabeta wanting out of the yankees around the begining of the 2008 season.Perhaps that is the season Cashman was willing to throw him into the deal.

Nady hit .310 w. 25 HRs and 97RBI last year.

when offered that and Marte's potential lefty shutdown ability for a 19 project and a bunch of scraps... you take it.

The Yankees DO need another starter. CC, AJ, Wang, Joba and Hughes sounds great on paper....but Aj, Joba and Hughes all are slightly injury prone. They need an innings eater in the #4 slot...put Joba in the #5 so he can skip a few...and leave the 22 year old Hughes in AAA to have a solid year and grow as a pitcher.

The pitching the have coming up is mostly solid pen arms. (Melancon, Sanchez, Robertson, DeLaRosa, Coke, Cox, etc)

The reason I was pissed about the Nady trade last season involving Tabata was because the Yankees were clearly out of the playoff picture. It was obvious we were not catching the Rays or Sox and it had nothing to do with getting another legit bat, it was because our rotation consisted of a worn down Pettitte, Ponson, Pavano, and Rasner. You are not making a playoff run when those are the guys taking the ball for you. Tabata did struggle at his first year of AA, but many prospects hit a speed bump along the way and he was only 19 this past summer.

I was able to cope with trading Tabata and some other decent prospects though because I realized Nady was only 29 (now 30) and fit nicely in our lineup after watching him play. I have no clue why the Yankees would give up that much (it may not seem a lot to fans of other teams) for a half a season rental. I really don't see the Yanks getting back what they gave up for Nady.

I highly doubt this article has any legitimacy...but if it does and the Yanks are seriously considering trading Nady back to where we got him from 6 months later, they better be looking at Nate McLouth in return. I know it would take a ton to get him but I'm sorry why would you go out and spend heavily to get Nady then trade him back for nothing. Nady, Kennedy, Coke, Melky, Aceves for McLouth and another role player. If they spin Nady for any less to the pirates I would be very angry after a great offseason.

If the Yankees trade either nady or swisher, they are going to regret it come June-July-August Yankee fans. You have to realize that neither Matsui, nor Damon is going to remain healthy playing in the field and are you REALLY willing to bank on Cabrerra showing any of the talent he supposedly has in the bigs with his bat? He hasn't yet and how will it look come some prolonged stretch this summer when both Cabrerra and Gardner are forced to start honestly? Can the rest of the offense carry those 2?

The reason I was pissed about the Nady trade last season involving Tabata was because the Yankees were clearly out of the playoff picture. It was obvious we were not catching the Rays or Sox and it had nothing to do with getting another legit bat, it was because our rotation consisted of a worn down Pettitte, Ponson, Pavano, and Rasner. You are not making a playoff run when those are the guys taking the ball for you. Tabata did struggle at his first year of AA, but many prospects hit a speed bump along the way and he was only 19 this past summer.

I was able to cope with trading Tabata and some other decent prospects though because I realized Nady was only 29 (now 30) and fit nicely in our lineup after watching him play. I have no clue why the Yankees would give up that much (it may not seem a lot to fans of other teams) for a half a season rental. I really don't see the Yanks getting back what they gave up for Nady.

I highly doubt this article has any legitimacy...but if it does and the Yanks are seriously considering trading Nady back to where we got him from 6 months later, they better be looking at Nate McLouth in return. I know it would take a ton to get him but I'm sorry why would you go out and spend heavily to get Nady then trade him back for nothing. Nady, Kennedy, Coke, Melky, Aceves for McLouth and another role player. If they spin Nady for any less to the pirates I would be very angry after a great offseason.

Posted by: yanks09 | January 08, 2009 at 11:19 PM

That's false. When we received Nady and Marte we were only 3 games behind Tampa and 2 games behind Boston. This was a good trade. Theres no reason we have to trade him. Hopefully we keep him and he becomes a type-A free agent and we offer arb to receive draft picks.

There is no need to trade any of these guys unless we are blown away with some position prospects.

McClouth is an overrated CF. His Uzr rating was way below negative and he is destined for the corner outfield postion. Dont sleep on Kennedy, Hes only 23 and I think he can still be a MLB pitcher

Dynasty I'm glad you pointed that out people in NY like to overrate players outside of NY. They see Nate make a web gem and call him gutty/gritty they don't see how he plays bad routes in CF and yes his Uzr is very bad. The kid is showcased in CF but he really is a Nick Swisher only a bit quicker destined for RF or LF.

Posted by: Brandon | January 08, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Exactly, Idk if you ever heard of Mike from MIke and the Mad Dog, but hes a talk show host in the NYc area. Get this, He wanted to trade Hughes and some good prospect or Cano and some prospect to get McClouth to play CF. I tried calling up to rip him a new you know what but it was unsuccesful.

Sobesman- Gold Gloves mean nothin we all know that. Yeah McClouth makes diving catches but he was also -40 in the fielding bible rankings, meaning he missed 40 balls that atleast one other CF made. So hope you wake up and see how dumb you are.

he is also too much of a one-year wonder for me to give up Cano or Hughes or any group of top prospects for.
Yankees are giving Melky/Gardner a chance in CF, if by June they arent geting the job done offensively they'll trade for Cameran or Winn or some other one-year guy.

The Yankees DO need another starter. CC, AJ, Wang, Joba and Hughes sounds great on paper....but Aj, Joba and Hughes all are slightly injury prone. They need an innings eater in the #4 slot...put Joba in the #5 so he can skip a few...and leave the 22 year old Hughes in AAA to have a solid year and grow as a pitcher.

The pitching the have coming up is mostly solid pen arms. (Melancon, Sanchez, Robertson, DeLaRosa, Coke, Cox, etc)
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A #5 starter on a 1 year deal would be nice and would allow Hughes to begin the year @ AAA. However, with as many #5 on the market it would not make any since to trade Nady for one. It would make more since for them to wait until a package of prospects are offered to the Yanks. And people who think the Yanks can't get a decent prospect in return are mistaken. We're not going to get 2 blue-chips or anything but if Nady isn't traded before the start of the season, but has a strong 1st half teams with depth in contention will cough up 1 or 2.

yanks09: "Hell if half the teams in baseball had Hughes he would be entering 2009 as their ace."

Wow! Could you hook me up with your dealer?

I live in pittsburgh an love everything pittsburgh sports. But that does not include the pirates I gave upon them 5 years ago. Mlb is joke rightnow the yanks ruined Pro Sports 400 million dollars when the economy is in the Sh$ter it makes me wana puke.
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That's the worst comment I ever heard. Just because your team can't afford/or refuses to sign big name FA isn't anyone elses fault.

If the Brewers signed CC for $120 million

or

If the Braves signed Burnett for the $75-$80 mil they were offering

or

If Tex signed with the Nationals or Red Sox for the $170-$180 mil offered....

would that make you feel better? How would that improve the Pirates any or make your world any better?