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A second pitcher will receive a 50 game PED suspension, according to ESPN's Jerry Crasnick. New Yankee signing Sergio Mitre had a trace amount of andro in his system. It was another "thought to be legal" supplement purchased at GNC. Mitre will serve the suspension while rehabbing from elbow surgery in the first few months of the season.
A question for the readers. In the past, MLBTR has mostly been a PED-free zone. However, with all the emails pouring in, it's often harder to ignore a story than it is to post a few lines about it. Plus, I know suspensions sometimes have roster-building implications. Should we do brief posts on breaking steroid news, or try to continue to ignore the stories?
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I say run 'em. People are going to use your site for help with their fantasy baseball drafts, and these stories do affect fantasy drafts...
Posted by: Trivia Jockey | January 06, 2009 at 08:04 AM
post them off to the side. i like to know, but hate the headlines of the PEDs! Thanks Tim!!
Posted by: MNCubsFan | January 06, 2009 at 08:05 AM
Maybe just have a kind of "wall of shame" area on the site Tim, where no commentary is allowed.
I like to know whom has been caught, as well as whom is suspected as well, only commentary regarding it is not needed really IMO.
Posted by: johns | January 06, 2009 at 08:05 AM
Make the posts. Like you said, PED suspensions have roster implications; they're important.
Posted by: metafrantic | January 06, 2009 at 08:06 AM
i think it depends on the player...sergio mitre wasnt coming back until mid-season anyway...JC romero had more of an impact than mitre did
for example- a career minor league/ weak bench player for the MLB team would not be a major impact
Posted by: hawkeyes12990 | January 06, 2009 at 08:06 AM
Tim,
While the reports of PEDs are a valid thing open for discussion, I think PED reports are not within the spirit of your blog. You tend to stick within information that is directly related to the transactions of baseball and it's somewhat related news tidbits. To go outside of that and be a straight "news" blog would open yourself up to a whole new world of information and conjecture. I think you should stick with what you do best and leave the PED stories alone unless they directly impact the roster and makeup of a team. Sergio Mitre has almost no relevance for the Yankees in 2009. The Romero story however is a tad more relevant. It's a tough call. I would leave the PED stuff alone.
Posted by: jaydestro | January 06, 2009 at 08:06 AM
Yes its a very good idea to learn about players who use steroids. I say we should continue since it does affect the roster if a player gets suspended.
Posted by: terry180 | January 06, 2009 at 08:07 AM
I'd say keep it to a small mention, with maybe a "sin bin" off to the side, like you do with the rumors by team.
It's worth noting rather than ignoring.
Great work!
Posted by: jnr98 | January 06, 2009 at 08:10 AM
"Wall of Shame" sounds good.
Posted by: Cyyoung | January 06, 2009 at 08:10 AM
Run suspension news like this that could have an impact on rosters. Do not run every last legal tangle of the case that no one wants to read. Maybe just a "one mention per player" rule.
Posted by: Mike Scioscia's tragic illness | January 06, 2009 at 08:11 AM
I agree that it doesn't hurt to post them. This is where I get 90% of my baseball news. However, we all know ESPN and the other major media will beat this story to death, so it probably doesn't matter that much. Thanks, Sergio, now I get to hear about steroids and banned substances constantly for the next month!
Posted by: mj103 | January 06, 2009 at 08:12 AM
I think a lot of times it is good to make a small post about these things. Especially in this kind of case, a guy like Sergio Mitre being suspended, I might not have heard about that for a while, it isn't exactly ESPN breaking news/lead story material. Plus, like you said, it sometimes has implications on other roster moves.
I found it interesting that he can serve a suspension while he is rehabbing. Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose, since he wouldn't be playing during that time period anyway? On another note, MLB needs to get its shyt together with this whole situation. It is becoming messy with the whole is it legal/ is it banned thing.
I think it really is up to you, to determine which cases require a brief post, and whether you want to post about PED's at all. I'm sure there are some people who want to hear about these things, since there are now a lot of people that get their baseball info exclusively from MLBTR. The one's who don't care can skip over those posts.
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 08:15 AM
Tim,
I would run the headlines and the suspension details, with a quick implications analysis but that's about it. I think the best way to handle it would be to only mention it when the situation is definite and suspensions have been handed down. PED rumors don't need to cloud your site. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: marfons | January 06, 2009 at 08:15 AM
Really, ESPN is going to beat to death the the PED use of a minor league player? I would doubt that ESPN would bother to mention a word of this. Maybe you get a little glimpse of something on their bottom line, or possibly a nice 10 second story at the end of Sportscenter, but I would think ESPN is to full of itself to stoop down to minor league news.
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 08:19 AM
I say only post steroids stories if they clearly impact teams' roster decisions (i.e. a free agent tests positive). There are plenty of general baseball news sites we can go to for general baseball news. Keep the focus here squarely on trade rumors and free agent signings.
Posted by: Ron Edwards | January 06, 2009 at 08:22 AM
tim, I think it is important to run the stories. As much as I would love to never see them, they do in fact, have a direct implication on a teams roster, possible free agency signings, and potential trades. All of which make up the spirit of which you report about.
Posted by: Nuschler's News | January 06, 2009 at 08:25 AM
Tim-finding the middle ground is probably the best way. The Romero suspension does affect the Phillies' major league bullpen, while Sergio Mitre probably doesn't affect the Yankees. It's purely a judgment call on you, but say Giambi suddenly tests positive or something, that certainly is going to affect the way the A's or anybody else does business. Like it or not, PED's are a part of the baseball-news world, at every level. Every minor leaguer that gets busted doesn't warrant a post, but Romero getting suspended 50 games, or Mike Cameron last year, those suspensions affect the way teams operate. Just my 2 cents...
Posted by: 100backeduptrucks | January 06, 2009 at 08:26 AM
PED use has implications on roster construction (more in the case of Romero than Mitre). So I say run just a small post on them.
Posted by: melonis rex | January 06, 2009 at 08:27 AM
I say run the stories too.....
Posted by: Mark C Mulligan | January 06, 2009 at 08:29 AM
I would say not to run the stories, it would cause more problems than it's worth.
Posted by: Ivdown | January 06, 2009 at 08:29 AM
Suspensions for PED or other things have the same impact as injuries to roster building. My sense of how injuries are reported on this site is that only the relevant stuff are reported. I guess PED suspensions are more definite than injuries and they should get mentioned.
Posted by: ABravesFan | January 06, 2009 at 08:29 AM
I say make it a short post with roster implications. The Wall of Shame is cool, but I don't know that your site is really the place for it.
This is totally off subject, but it would be cool to see a GM power rankings based somehow on the transactions they have made.
I too am dismayed by the way MLB allows Mitre to serve his suspension while he is injured. MLB should institute a policy like the NBA where a player's suspension doesn't begin until he has played 1 game after returning from injury.
Posted by: Longhorn | January 06, 2009 at 08:31 AM
Yes, short post if it affects rosters, please.
Posted by: Hendo | January 06, 2009 at 08:33 AM
Hey Tim,
I think that the site should stay "MLB Trade Rumors" and not become "MLB Roid Rumors". I visit this site because of the specialized topic of baseball trade rumors and not for the generalized info on steroids abuse that will be on every major sport networks site anyway.
Posted by: BJays Fan! | January 06, 2009 at 08:36 AM
LEAVE MITRE ALONE!
(just kidding, post these stories)
Posted by: Trivia Jockey | January 06, 2009 at 08:36 AM
Tim -
because of the roster building implications, you should mention this kind of thing in passing. A sentence. Two. Or a line in a summary post. It doesn't deserve any more thought than that.
Posted by: janbergs | January 06, 2009 at 08:42 AM
I say run them, but short and sweet, without the drama.
Posted by: alamosweet | January 06, 2009 at 08:44 AM
Post them only if you're going to keep them brief.
Posted by: st4tkeric | January 06, 2009 at 08:44 AM
I say include it as it affects rosters but to list it as a "wall of shame" is ridiculous. Every case is different.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | January 06, 2009 at 08:48 AM
Any suspension should be reported PERIOD
Posted by: Ace | January 06, 2009 at 08:48 AM
Seems like the best thing to do is mention the more definite stories in passing, when they involve players most people have heard of. And not provide a bunch of updates or news about suspended minor leaguers.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | January 06, 2009 at 08:52 AM
"The Romero suspension does affect the Phillies' major league bullpen, while Sergio Mitre probably doesn't affect the Yankees. It's purely a judgment call on you, but say Giambi suddenly tests positive or something, that certainly is going to affect the way the A's or anybody else does business."
But see, the way I think of it is, if Jason Giambi tested positive, then you would hear about it on ESPN, and every local sports and local news station nation wide. A guy like Mitre is less likely to make headlines, and therefore should be mentioned here (if Tim decided he will write up brief stories on PED related suspensions).
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 08:55 AM
"I would say not to run the stories, it would cause more problems than it's worth."
Huh?
How would posting these things cause more problems then a post saying that Smoltz is considering some other team (where irrational Braves fans will then go on the defensive saying Smoltz would never leave and anybody who thinkls otherwise is stupid), or a post about Jeremy Guthrie that turns into a Brian Roberts to the cubs, 845 comments thread? Sorry ATL and CHC fans, just using those things as examples. How would updating readers on suspensions cause problems in any way?
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 08:59 AM
I'm not sure I understand the responses strongly against reporting PED suspensions. I don't think Tim is intending to discuss PED rumors. His post seems to indicate he will do a short mention of official suspensions. Hopefully those will be relatively few and far between. Don't take the blog name too literally. He already covers subjects that are not "trades." Yesterday a post was done on a manager's contract being extended. I did not get that information from other sites I visit. To me that is the value of this site: getting info quickly and reading the discussion in the comments.
Tim,
My two cents: post what you find relevant. We'll do what we already do: read the ones we are interested in and ignore the others.
Keep up the good work.
Bill
Posted by: LargeBill | January 06, 2009 at 08:59 AM
Post them. You'd mention it if Sergio Mitre had been injured, right? (Well, assuming he wasn't already, anyway.) No need for sensationalizing it, but don't bury it either. A brief mention -- even in an odds-and-ends post -- makes sense.
And I say NO to a "wall of shame" or anything like that. Stupid and pointless.
Posted by: chris heer | January 06, 2009 at 09:00 AM
i like the Wall of Shame idea
Posted by: ImAwesome | January 06, 2009 at 09:01 AM
Chris I agree about the odds and ends things. A quick sentence in one of those sections seems perfect. You get the info, but you don't have the ugly title of "so and so suspended for PED's".
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 09:03 AM
I would say post them. But only for stories that are verified and not based on speculation. If a guy gets suspended, it will have roster implications, and should be reported. If it's a he said/she said thing, I don't want to hear about it.
Posted by: Papelboner | January 06, 2009 at 09:03 AM
"I say include it as it affects rosters but to list it as a "wall of shame" is ridiculous. Every case is different."
Agreed. Ridiculous and stupid, not to mention insensitive idea. You never know the whole story with these things, and a wall of shame just seems incredibly stupid.
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 09:04 AM
Actually I would not mention it if Mitre got injured.
Posted by: Tim Dierkes | January 06, 2009 at 09:17 AM
I say run them, if they relate to a team's needs. For example, Mitre has only recently been picked up by the Yankees. And the Phillies might have to go find another lefty arm now that Romero is down as well. And only post them if they've been verified. Thats my suggestion
Posted by: bamabosoxfan | January 06, 2009 at 09:20 AM
Please add a section that lists all verified suspensions or other reasons that a player may not be active (or maybe a listing of players like you have for free agents)
Thanks for all the good work
Posted by: mtp | January 06, 2009 at 09:22 AM
u start doing roid stuff with sergio mitre? what about jc romero?? an actual good pitcher
Posted by: Josh | January 06, 2009 at 09:28 AM
Post them. People who don't want to know can just scroll past....
I get 90%+ of my baseball info from here anyway.
Posted by: yeahmahlins | January 06, 2009 at 09:44 AM
What about JC Romero? Maybe you should have realized that there was a post regarding Romero, which generated a ton of discussion on the matter. Maybe you should realize this type of stuff before jumping down Tim's throat, and making your self look like a foolish little baby in the process.
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 09:51 AM
You should post the roster implications. I don't want to hear about who is suspected or who is complaining about it unless it affects the roster.
Posted by: J | January 06, 2009 at 10:13 AM
OK Tim, I get that you might not mention an injury for someone like Mitre...but then again, if he was a current FA, wouldn't that change things?
Regardless, I still think it's best to mention them, but as I (and others) have said, only if verified, and just a small mention is more than enough.
And for the record, I think MLBTR handles this (and pretty much everything) far better than most news/sports sites. MLBTR is the gold standard IMO for baseball news/rumors, and other sites (including the big guys) could learn a thing or two from you, Tim.
Posted by: chris heer | January 06, 2009 at 10:25 AM
I think it's worth a mention when an offical suspension comes down for major leaguers. I don't like the wall of shame idea.
Posted by: gocrazy | January 06, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Perhaps, only post PED stories that have some current MLB implication: current MLB players, guys with previous MLB experience who could make it on to rosters in the near future, or top prospects who's names may be recognizable. Other than that, I'd leave the rest out, especially all of the speculative articles.
Posted by: chad | January 06, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Its important to mention them, especially in these types of cases where Mitre and Romero are getting screwed over by MLB
Posted by: bmcane08 | January 06, 2009 at 10:59 AM
I say a single mention, exactly like your Mitre post. It was short and sweet and worth 5 lines on the page.
No Wall of Shame, just a bad idea.
Posted by: bcubed | January 06, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I say you definitely post them, Tim. It effects the roster and trades and signings so definitely put them in.
If you guys don't wanna see it, just don't click on that post.
Posted by: Umair | January 06, 2009 at 11:19 AM
I'd rather not see 'em.
But if the rest of the crowd here does want them, I'd be more OK with it if they were wordrd in some way to indicate the roster implications and if/from where their team will be looking for help during the suspension. These stories can have a domino effect on a team's roster and depth, and ultimately on the trade front.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | January 06, 2009 at 11:29 AM
If you are going to post team ownership items (Cubs....Tribune....snooze), you should post player/roster impact items also.
Posted by: 4appling | January 06, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I'd say ignore them... just like baseball has for all these years.
Posted by: Scotio | January 06, 2009 at 11:35 AM
These cases have an interesting element to them so are worth reading about. Other than that unless it is a really big name I enjoyed not hearing about it. Also if its a really big name one post at the most unless something really big changes/develops. I enjoyed this being a haven from some of the clemens and bonds obsessions of previous years on other websites. Even if you skipped it all together the other sites would cover it ad nauseam and most of the time its irrelevant to trade rumors anyway.
Posted by: walkoffblast | January 06, 2009 at 11:36 AM
It does affect the two clubs (Yankees less because Mitre is injured) but it will change the Phillies bull-pen for the 1st 50 games. I would now think that Happ now replaces Romero as the other lefty in the pen. Which now takes him out of the 5th starter job. This would actually justify even more the signing of Lowe now...
Posted by: FyreKnight | January 06, 2009 at 11:50 AM
I say include it as it affects rosters but to list it as a "wall of shame" is ridiculous. Every case is different.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | January 06, 2009 at 08:48 AM
Sorry buddy, Romero was wrong for doing it, you need to get over it.
Posted by: Ivdown | January 06, 2009 at 12:21 PM
"I would say not to run the stories, it would cause more problems than it's worth."
Huh?
How would posting these things cause more problems then a post saying that Smoltz is considering some other team (where irrational Braves fans will then go on the defensive saying Smoltz would never leave and anybody who thinkls otherwise is stupid), or a post about Jeremy Guthrie that turns into a Brian Roberts to the cubs, 845 comments thread? Sorry ATL and CHC fans, just using those things as examples. How would updating readers on suspensions cause problems in any way?
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 08:59 AM
Because that is what talking about that does, it gets people to unjustly defend the player nearly every time when there is just no defending a guy that chose to do steroids. What kills me is that people still decide to try or continue doing it, when so many players are getting caught.
But IMO I think we have all read enough of steriods. Besides, we will all hear about it from ESPN or Yahoo sooner or later.
Posted by: Ivdown | January 06, 2009 at 12:26 PM
What about JC Romero? Maybe you should have realized that there was a post regarding Romero, which generated a ton of discussion on the matter. Maybe you should realize this type of stuff before jumping down Tim's throat, and making your self look like a foolish little baby in the process.
Posted by: nrmax88 | January 06, 2009 at 09:51 AM
Is this towards anyone in perticular? Seems like it came out of the blue.
Posted by: Ivdown | January 06, 2009 at 12:29 PM
If a player with any actual talent gets busted then run it. If it is a worthless scrub like Sergio Mitre ignore it.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | January 06, 2009 at 12:45 PM
next week headline:
yankee signee admits taking steriods to help his team
since when a finese sinkerball pitcher need roids, he never goingto blown anyone way
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | January 06, 2009 at 02:12 PM
The PED info is about as trivial as most of the other information on here.
Posted by: coryjwilson | January 06, 2009 at 02:58 PM
Tim my opinion is this: As long as you deem a story credible, lets hear it. Who can get enough baseball?
Posted by: Furrski | January 06, 2009 at 05:01 PM
Why tinker with your success recipe? As blogs again journalistic credibility your enterprise appears to be well positioned for even greater success. Don't fix what isn't broken. Steroid news really isn't the hot button item that it once was.
Posted by: Leftjab | January 12, 2009 at 12:23 AM