White Sox Make Offer To Bobby Abreu?

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KW is sneakkkkky. Good signing if it happens. He can still steal some bases. Depending how he does, it'll determine who stays as a DH in 2010. Dye is the better hitter but things need to change in chicago. Plus now they can trade dye and get another SP or leadoff guy... Dye to Angels for Figgins and Kendrick?

I'm guessing this is to dump some salary? Who is going to trade for Dye and take in his entire salary when there are still cheaper options out there on the market?

didn't the White Sox say they were done a couple weeks ago?

no CF at all but a hell of a line up! not sure how he's gonna work this.

There was a little blurb about this in the paper today. I don't know where Abreu would fit into that lineup with no CFs, more than one viable DH candidate, and already good corner outfielders in Quentin and Dye, but I guess it is worth throwing a shot out there.

Anyone that ends up with Abreu will certainly get a good bargain.

crazy idea, abreu plays first base and they trade konerko?

They wouldnt get another catcher but you get my drift.

maybe it hasnt completely worn off from last night, but even figgins for dye straight up wouldnt be bad if they really do get abreu.

True about the no trade statement. But if you go by history, Thome told the Phillies he would only consider Cleveland or Chicago (either side of town). He can't play the field anymore and I doubt the Sox would trade him to a division rival. Although, maybe at this stage in his carreer he would consider another AL contender to go for a ring to add to his illustrious carreer. Konerko has a full no trade and he would be more likely to waive it, but then Dye would have to move to 1B. He has played 1 or 2 games there befvore.

"didn't the White Sox say they were done a couple weeks ago?

Posted by: stlcards16 | February 03, 2009 at 09:36 AM"

They say that almost every year.

I like this but only if it's a precursor to something else.

NEB, it could still work for the Braves depending on what they give up for Dye. If they traded Kelly (~3mil), Morton (~.5mil) and another (~.5mil) that nets at 7.5 mil, which is pretty close to what they have. I don't know what the WS are looking for in return. Kelly, Morton, and some may work since they don't have a clear 2B.

If he signs in Chicago for 8 mil....that makes the Cubs move for Bradley look horrible

Why couldn't they offer that $8 mil to Garland?? They need a starter a hell of a lot more than they need an OF.

Assuming they trade Dye:

Owens/Wise CF
AJ C
Abreu RF
Quentin LF
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Ramirez SS
Fields 3B
Getz(whoever wins 2B)

pretty beastly lineup... like to see 1,2 a little better on base guys. somethings still missing (chone figgins).

"Doesn't Thome have a $3 mil buyout option for 2009? WHy didn't they just choose that option since it seems like they want to get rid of him and he has a full no trade?"

Because he is still valuable, and he's the best DH in the AL Central. The Twins would instantly pick him up and be better than the Sox. Plus the Sox only pay him $9M of his $15M salary. If he puts up another .885 OPS this year, why would you get rid of him?

Abreu would bat 2nd in the lineup.

Owens
Abreu
Quentin
Thome
Ramirez
Konerko
AJ
Fields
Getz/Lillibridge

Depending on ST 1 and 9 can switch.

That's a great lineup.

White Sox fans are smoking something.

Dye has NEGATIVE trade value at this moment. He salary is HIGHER than his expected performance. Why would the Angels move very good starting players from their current lineup (or highly rated prospects) for Dye when they could just spend $8m on Abreu or Dunn themselves?

Dye's contract at the beginning of the off-season didn't look awful. However, with the way prices have fallen Dye is not worth anything unless you are taking bad money back.

^ because i'd rather have jermaine dye on my team than adam dunn. (and abreu won't be available)
How many other hitters are on the trading block that are better than dye?

and southsider, that line up is sick.

"White Sox fans are smoking something."

There are any number of ways this could work out. Including the White Sox paying some of Dye's contract. If Abreu is worth $8M for 1 year so is Dye. Dye has better power and Abreu has better speed. Since the White Sox have plenty of power it would make sense.

I was thinking all along that KW had to do something with all that money they saved from Javy and Swisher.

I still think Hudson would be a better fit than Abreu, but if we could find a way to trade Dye for a leadoff hitting 3B/CF (Figgins?) or another starter, than I'd love the deal.

A real, legitimate leadoff hitter would be simply AWESOME on this team.

Would the Angels possibly consider a Figgins for Dye swap?

Because a lineup of Figgins, Pierzynski, Abreu, Quentin, Thome, Konerko, Ramirez, Getz/Lillibridge and Owens/Fields (depending on where Figgins plays) is really, quite good.

I'd like to think that Dye could land the White Sox a good player, but bjsguess makes an awfully, awfully good point:

Why trade for Jermaine Dye, when you could just sign Abreu or Dunn? You'd need to have a clear need for a righty, otherwise it'd make no sense.

There is no way the Sox get anything close what any of you idiots are saying right now. Adenhart and prospects for dye? you are way over-hyping this man. He is 36 why give up a 22 yr old starter with a 95 mph fastball and 2 more plus pitches for a 2-3 year rental at 11 mill a year. The only way I give anything up for him is if the Sox eat half of the contract but that will never happen.

Not saying that the ANgels would be that team looking for a guy like DYe or that the prospect(s) they get would be top caliber or not but I could see them getting a good prospect in return.

We can make all the fake lineups we want, but Ozzie has said AJ will be batting 2nd - I don't see that changing with Abreu possibly coming aboard.

"for a 2-3 year rental at 11 mill a year. The only way I give anything up for him is if the Sox eat half of the contract but that will never happen."

Dye is only signed for 2009, with a mutual option for 2010. But at 11.5 Million in 09 with a 12 Million option (1 Million buyout), he is actually vastly overpaid considering the market at this time.

"Umm, maybe because the Angels need to replace Tex's bat and would have a much better chance at winning the WS this year with Dye's bat in the lineup?"

If they wanted numbers similar to Dye, then why would they not sign Abreu for around 3 million less and keep their prospects?

If the Chi Sox can get this done.....I would be SO INCREDIBLY happy! Abreu, I don't care what anyone says, plays like he's 30, although he isn't too many years past that age, what 35? I think he is more limber than Dye is out there in Right he also has a substantial amount of more speed than he does too.

If I were to pick Dye or Thome to be traded, it would be Thome, he's gonna be 38, i respect him and what he's done in his career, but I just don't wanna watch him K out like he does 200 times a year, never seen a man swing and miss at a fastball down the middle so many times before

as for Dye, I would think although he isn't a lefty as for Thome is, Guillen would put him in the DH spot, which is a pretty good logical move!

Quentin, Owens/Anderson, Abreu out there....that seems pretty solid out there, hopefully Owens takes his last chance for the better, if he doesn't hit too well, defense and pinch running? =)

i doubt Abreu will accept though =/

another reason why I think Abreu won't accept is because the other teams that are "in" on him....are located in San Fransisco, Seattle, Atlanta, L.A!
he's not gonna want to live in frikin' cold ass Chicago unless he resides else where during the off season

god damn it

"Kenny just gave an interview this weekend where he suggested that Sox would have a "non-traditional" leadoff guy. Abreu is the guy he had in mind all along."

I think that this really may be the plan. Abreu would give the White Sox a leadoff hitter that takes tons of pitches, walks a lot, and has some solid power. They'd still have sluggers in the middle of the lineup with Konerko, Quentin, Thome and Ramirez, assuming that Dye is gone.

Also, by the way, I'm not sure how legitimate this is, but XM Radio is reporting that Abreu has agreed to the terms for a deal with Chicago. I think this is a great move by KW.

"another reason why I think Abreu won't accept is because the other teams that are "in" on him....are located in San Fransisco, Seattle, Atlanta, L.A!
he's not gonna want to live in frikin' cold ass Chicago unless he resides else where during the off season"

Actually, it's been reported that he would love to play for Ozzie.

XM Radio has reported that Abreu has accepted the offer!

"Dye has NEGATIVE trade value at this moment. He salary is HIGHER than his expected performance."

Have to disagree. I realize it's a poor market, but I don't think he's reached negative trade value coming off of last year's very solid season. I think the Angels would prefer Dye to both Abreu and Dunn. I don't think they'd pony up a ton for him, but I don't think he has negative value.

no one prefers dye to abreu or everyone wouldn't be on here talking about how their going to trade dye to make room for abreu

I really can't see him accepting that offer that quick....If he gives it a little time surely someone will beat that offer

"no one prefers dye to abreu or everyone wouldn't be on here talking about how their going to trade dye to make room for abreu"

it's the whitesox situation that makes us prefer abreu RIGHT NOW. if it was softball and we could have 4 outfielders, definitly gotta keep dye. Dye > Dunn no matter what the age difference. He's a better baseball player than him.

"I really can't see him accepting that offer that quick....If he gives it a little time surely someone will beat that offer"

Let's keep in mind that we don't actually know when this contract was offered and what other deals Abreu has in hand. He could have very well have gotten this offer like a week ago, as we know that Kenny Williams has a reputation for making moves out of the blue, a la the Swisher trade of last offseason.

OK who knows, he probably didn't accept/made a decision yet

Well perhaps he's not an equally bad defender though, not sure what the conversion of Abreu from RF to LF would do to improve his defensive production. I guess he would possibly be better than Dunn.

I'm not sure why people are so shocked that Abreu got 1/8 if Burrell got 2/16 and Giambi got 1/5. Other than Ibanez, who was signed early and was clearly overpaid, there was little reason to think that Abreu, a very poor defensive outfielder, would land a big money long term deal.

He's not THAT great of a hitter anymore, he's simply good, and his defense has declined a lot as well.

Also, in what world is Abreu or Dye better than Dunn? Dunn is younger, a similar defensive player, and has far more power than Abreu and far more plate discipline than Dye.

Dunn is a beast, and old stats like batting average, strikeouts and RBI's have made it difficult to see that.

Dye is a better hitter than Dunn. Dye is a below average defender in RF but has a plus arm. He would be an average defender in LF with a plus arm. Dunn is younger and left-handed. Dye's better.

Yet, if the option of signing Abreu or Dunn or even Griffey or Anderson for a fraction of the cost and keeping your prospect is available to you, then it is foolish to trade a top prospect for Dye. Here, look at it when it is laid out

Dye for 11.5 Mil + Top Prospects
Abreu for 8 Mil
Dunn for 10 Mil
Griffey for 5 Mil
Anderson for 5 Mil

Which one stands out as being idiotic there? Dye only carries value after the market is completely dried up – but even then Swisher would be a better deal at a cheaper dollar amount most likely costing less than a true top prospect on a much younger player. Trading for Dye just makes little sense at all at this point unless the Sox eat more than half his contract. (which would then mean the Sox would have pretty mush paid Abreu 13+ Million)
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I understand 100% what you're trying to say and I'm not trying to argue with you. But, each team will value each of those guys that you mentioned differently. I don't think the Angels would be the best fit for Dye, and personally, I would still love to see a Dye for Homer Bailey and a lesser prospect trade happen.

Great move by the Sox if it’s true. I can’t help thinking the Sox are always watching what the Cubs do. Last year the Cubs first choice was Fukudome and plan B was a deal for Nick Swisher. Then the Sox go ahead and pick up Swisher after Fukudome signs with the Cubs. This year the Cubs had Abreu as a secondary option to Milton Bradley (who Hendry has coveted for years now) and…there’s the White Sox again shadowing closely behind. It makes me wonder if they keep trying to show up the Cubs by making the better acquisition. It certainly makes for an interesting competition in the media. Their management seems to be every bit as obsessed with the Cubs as their fans are.

Now... before Sox fans get all feisty and start putting up their dukes in defense of their team’s honor, I’m a fan of both teams, though I’m a bigger fan of the Cubs. The Sox, I must admit, are a distant second. But my wife’s a diehard Sox fan and, consequently I’ve been a fan of the Sox for more than 5 years now. When you follow both teams, it’s hard not to notice that the Sox and their fans seem a little pre-occupied with what the Cubs are doing. But in all honesty, I do like this move for the White Sox – especially if Abreu becomes their leadoff man.

stlcards16-that's twice now you've brought up the cubs in a thread they have absolutely nothing to do with. if the cubs wanted abreu, they would have paid for him a long time ago. they didn't want him, they wanted someone with more upside. stay on topic.

if the xm report is true, it'll be a real steal for the sox, provided they deal one of thome/dye/konerko. i don't think dye has much value anymore either: he's expensive, older, slower, rapidly declining defensively. the sox would probably not get that much back, since they will send him to a team that will undoubtedly pick up his salary. maybe the mets?

I’m not sure Kenny would make this signing if he didn’t already have a deal in place to trade Dye. If not, he’d put himself at a disadvantage if he tried to trade Dye after teams knew he was trying to get rid of him. Didn’t they have a deal in place for Homer Bailey earlier? That’s a nice arm for what has essentially become an extra part. Kenny’s always liked taking risks with good arms that other teams give up on (i.e. Gavin Floyd, Bobby Jenks) But whatever the Sox can pick up for Dye will be a plus. The tradeoff is already a win for the Sox.

I knew the Sox diehards would throw a fit…maybe it’s a little far-fetched, maybe it’s just a coincidence about the last two years…but there’s no question the Sox are vigilant about whatever the Cubs do. It’s only natural when you’re the second team competing in the same city. Sorry, if that’s offensive to you, but it doesn’t make it any less true.

Crunchy-
You should have known better than to think you could make an observation like that and expect to get any intelligent responses. :) I've noticed the same thing though...it's hard NOT to notice. From the fans it doesn't surprise me, but it always has definitely surprised me that the Sox front office perpetuates it with their constant comments to the media regarding the team on the other side of town.
This is a nice move for the Sox if they're able to move Dye somewhere. It's going to be tough to get much in return without eating a lot of salary though. As others said, there are lower-cost, higher production options available. (Well, one less now that Abreu is off the market.) Still, when you can get a 28-year-old Dunn for probably less $$ than a 36-year old Dye, it doesn't make much sense to give up prospects.

Yet, if the option of signing Abreu or Dunn or even Griffey or Anderson for a fraction of the cost and keeping your prospect is available to you, then it is foolish to trade a top prospect for Dye. Here, look at it when it is laid out

Dye for 11.5 Mil + Top Prospects
Abreu for 8 Mil
Dunn for 10 Mil
Griffey for 5 Mil
Anderson for 5 Mil

Which one stands out as being idiotic there? Dye only carries value after the market is completely dried up – but even then Swisher would be a better deal at a cheaper dollar amount most likely costing less than a true top prospect on a much younger player. Trading for Dye just makes little sense at all at this point unless the Sox eat more than half his contract. (which would then mean the Sox would have pretty mush paid Abreu 13+ Million)
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For all of you (and I'm not directing this to you Suzysman) who are bashing this concept of Dye being traded and his trade value vs available FA I think you are MISSING MAJOR POINTS.

First off, Dye's perceived value differs depending on the team that's interested in him.

-Dunn vs Dye. Yes Dunn is the more prolific hr hitter, but's it's not like he's blowing Dye away. Dye gives you less hr's (-6) but Dye has a higher slug % (.541 vs .513) and much more xtra base hits (77 vs 63).

-Dye is a righty as opposed to Abreu, Dunn, Griffey and Anderson who are all Lefties. So if you're a team that needs a righty bat then Dye makes more sense for you than the other 4.

Dye vs righties hit .294/.340 w/ 23 hrs and 30 dbls. VS lefties he hit .285/.354 w/ 11 hr.

Dunn vs righties hit .255/.400 (est) w/ 32 hrs and 18 dbls. Vs Lefties sub .200/.350 obp (est) w/ 110 hrs and 5 dbls.

Dunn blows Dye away with OBP but Dye's just as productive from a power/xtra bsht perspective as Dunn vs righties and blows Griffey and Anderson way.

-Dye's age is irrelevant. At age 35 he could probably put up the same numbers he did at age 34. As it seems Dunn, Abreu, Griffey and Anderson would be looking at 1 year contracts anyway. Dye would be a 1 year, TYPE A player headed into FA, especially since his buyout is so low ($1 mil). So seeing as how Dye vs any FA would be a 1yr vs 1 yr as opposed to long-term vs short term, his age becomes irrelevant, and in fact he's younger than all of them except for Dunn.

-Dye IS A HORRIBLE RF, but so is Dunn. Dunn's only played 23 gms in RF since 2004 (all came in 08 w/ the D'backs). It's been said that Dunn doesn't want to play RF, 1B or DH. So if your a team and you're already set with a LF then where would you play Dunn? With Dye, you can play him in RF or DH him. And def both Dunn and Dye are going to be horrid.

So before you make the comparison's between Dye vs available FA, keep in mind that every team has different needs and that Dye might be a better fit vs the others.

As a Braves fan I would LOVE to see Dye hitting behind Chip and in front of Mac. Plus he is right handed I think so that would be perfect. Whitesox fans how does Prado, Reyes/Morton/Parr, and maybe a decent prospect or Blanco sound? Prado could start at second base, and Blanco could be outfield depth. Cause I saw Lillibredge is competing for 2nd and he is awful so Prado would be a massive upgrade to him.

THoughts?

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