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Recapping The Pirates Trades
The Pirates dealt their starting left-fielder, their most relied-upon reliever and a utilityman for a former top prospect, a power bullpen arm and a couple low-level prospects in a pair of deals today. Here's a recap of who the Pirates obtained:
- Casey Erickson - one of the players obtained in the Hinske deal, Erickson was pitching in A ball. He'll turn 24 in August, so he hasn't moved through the minors particularly quickly, but he struck out 37 in 44 innings without allowing many runs.
- Eric Fryer - this catcher/outfielder was also playing in A ball for the Yanks, though for a different team. Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus says neither player is anything special; they're just "bodies."
- Lastings Milledge - the 12th overall pick in the 2003 draft, Milledge shot through the minors, but has put up a pedestrian .261/.326/.400 line in the major leagues. He's just 24 and the Pirates should have him under team control through 2013.
- Joel Hanrahan - the 27-year-old reliever has been hit hard this year, but his strikeout rate remains high and he's actually lowered his walk rate from last year. Like Milledge, Hanrahan should be under team control through 2013.
And a look at what they gave up to get it:
- Eric Hinske - ostensibly he can play at any corner infield or outfield position and he hits righties well. The 31-year-old makes $1.6MM this year and the Pirates will send $400k to the Yankees to cover part of the cost.
- Nyjer Morgan - the former hockey player will turn 29 later in the week. So far he has 18 steals and an OBP of .351. He won't even be arbitration-eligible until after 2011.
- Sean Burnett - the Pirates have relied on the 26-year-old over and over this year and it's worked. He's allowed 37 baserunners in just over 32 innings, striking out 23. He won't hit free agency until 2012 at the earliest.
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Win for the Pirates, especially in the Nats deal.
Posted by: colaz | June 30, 2009 at 04:08 PM
Destroy & Rebuild, I like it Neal.
Just don't expect me to pop a bottle of Jamey over some 24 year old kids at A-Ball.
Posted by: bucs_lose_again | June 30, 2009 at 04:08 PM
Neal earned alot of points with me
today. I can't speak for every Bucco fan out there, but I'm confident most would agree. I'm excited to see what the future holds.
Posted by: BuccoNation | June 30, 2009 at 04:10 PM
@bla
Hinske cleared waivers last week, getting ANYTHING for him is a win.
Posted by: BuccoNation | June 30, 2009 at 04:11 PM
I like Huntington's style. These two moves are both wins although neither deal is much of a difference maker unless Milledge blossoms. I also give kudos to Neal on how he handled the draft and having the balls to deal McLouth even though he knew there would be a backlash among the less knowledgeable Pirate's fans.
Posted by: MickS | June 30, 2009 at 04:15 PM
Good job today, Neal. Let's see what you can do with the rest of the tradeable pieces.
Posted by: LongSufferingBucsFan | June 30, 2009 at 04:16 PM
Are Sanchez and LaRoche going to be on their way out as well?
I realize the fans probably would go into an uproar if Sanchez was dealt, but paying him $8MM next year when his option vests isn't going to help them.
Plenty of teams need a big-time upgrade at 2B. He'd fetch a nice return and I can't see them re-signing him when his deal is up anyway, given what he'd fetch from other teams.
Posted by: MorneauVP | June 30, 2009 at 04:19 PM
Hanrahan is a bargain. His FIP is 3.50ish, and his ERA was inflated by the lousy defense playing behind him in Washington. Hello upside!
Posted by: Mr. JavaScript | June 30, 2009 at 04:20 PM
Sanchez and LaRoche should definitely be dealt and I have confidence that if Huntington finds the right deal they will be.
Posted by: MickS | June 30, 2009 at 04:26 PM
Wow Java, I didn't realize how big of a differential there was between Hanrahan's ERA and FIP... that just makes this an even better deal for the Bucs. Especially when you consider that Burnett's 3.06 ERA is 1.15 lower than his FIP of 4.21.
Granted, Hanrahan's control is an issue either way, but that stat's pretty alarming.
Posted by: MorneauVP | June 30, 2009 at 04:28 PM
"Hinske cleared waivers last week, getting ANYTHING for him is a win."
Clearing waivers isn't the same as being DFA'd. A player can be called back, just to gauge interest in a player as I recall, but I may be wrong on the waiver claim rules.
Posted by: johns | June 30, 2009 at 04:29 PM
I'd love to see Sanchez in a Twins uniform... but his salary might steer them away.
Bill Smith is probably too boneheaded to recognize a need and make a move anyway. He's been brainwashed by Gardenhire into thinking that Nick Punto is worth having on a Major League roster... at a starter's salary no less.
Posted by: MorneauVP | June 30, 2009 at 04:32 PM
"Hanrahan is a bargain. His FIP is 3.50ish"
OMG, is it really? I didn’t even check the perps on what looked like just a horrible season. Lets have a look
9.92 K/9, 4.48 BB/9, 2.21 K/BB, 0.96 HR/9, 3.84 FIP in 08
9.64 K/9, 3.86 BB/9, 2.50 K/BB, 0.83 HR/9, 3.56 FIP in 09
Before, I was thinking it is somewhat of a wash on the pitchers and the value really came in Milledge being dealt for a throw-a-way on a hot streak. Now I feel like it was straight highway robbery on the Pirates part. Hanrahan, while looking horrible with his WHIP and ERA, has actually been a better pitcher this year then last, when he was strong. The Pirates just traded two questionable players experiencing all kinds of luck for two talented guys who have been as unlucky as you can get in 2009.
Fantastic deal for the Bucks!
Posted by: SuzysMan | June 30, 2009 at 04:36 PM
The Pirates made out well in the deal with the Nats. Milledge has worn out his welcome in two organizations now, but I think he'll give the Pirates some production. His career minor league line is .300/.376/.468, and he was usually pretty young for his level-- AA ball at age 20, AAA at 21.
Posted by: JK47 | June 30, 2009 at 04:41 PM
Didnt get much in the yankee deal, but then again Hinske wasn't really hitting like he was last year.. did well in the trade with the nats though
Posted by: Baseball Nut | June 30, 2009 at 04:46 PM
looks like a win for the pirates. Morgan was a sell high candidate and the buccos got some upside in return. Good for the Pirates.
Posted by: clarknaddison | June 30, 2009 at 07:51 PM
Seriously who really cares about the pirates. they arent going anywhere anytime soon.
Posted by: Kulaid33gobrs | June 30, 2009 at 11:19 PM
If the Cubs can get their ownership sorted out, I'd give Mike Fontenot for Sanchez straight-up. We need a top-of-the-order type and Fontenot would excel in the less stressful confines of wherever the Pirates play, LOL.
Posted by: XCal1bur | July 01, 2009 at 02:21 AM
I think the Nats made out a bit better on this deal.. Burnett is a lefty-- more value-- and he will probably outperform Hanrahan. Milledge is a total Milton Bradley JR. 3rd organization in 3 years.. Morgan is 29 but not a lot of mileage on him. I think Morgan outplays Milledge's "upside".
Posted by: rob | July 01, 2009 at 09:57 AM