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By Ben Nicholson-Smith [June 11, 2009 at 2:51pm CST]
In his latest article, Jayson Stark also discusses the many Rockies and Angels thought to be available. Here are the latest rumors:
- The Phillies are "hunting quietly" for right-handed outfielders. Ryan Spilborghs is on their radar.
- One official said Dan O'Dowd would consider moving "anyone" on the Rockies.
- The Rangers are believed to be watching Huston Street closely.
- Jason Marquis could become available too, but some think the Rockies should hang on, given his success.
- The Angels seem willing to listen on Mike Napoli, Jeff Mathis and their entire infield, which consists of Kendry Morales, Howie Kendrick, Erick Aybar and Chone Figgins.
- They appear to have interest in young, high-upside pitchers, which could mean they're unsure they'll re-sign John Lackey after the season.
- The Dodgers are "sending out signals" that Juan Pierre could be available when Manny Ramirez returns. It's unclear whether the Dodgers would pick up any of the $15MM or so remaining on Pierre's contract.
- Among top starters, Erik Bedard is "most frequently connected with the Phillies," but many people around baseball doubt he would fit in Philadelphia.
- Phillies prospects Lou Marson and Michael Taylor are likely available, but J.A. Happ, Antonio Bastardo, Dominic Brown, Kyle Drabek, Jason Knapp, Jason Donald and Carlos Carrasco would be much harder to acquire.
- One scout thinks the Pirates may have acquired three future stars for Nate McLouth.
Can Kendrick play 3B? What shis contract status?
When is Figgins a FA? Reds could use his speed/bat/d at third.
Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | June 11, 2009 at 02:57 PM
Kendrick doesn't play 3B. His bat wouldn't work well there either. The guy needs to be hitting 320+ with 15HR's before he is a decent offensive player (since he won't take a walk). He is pre-arb right now.
As for Figgins - he is a FA after this season.
Posted by: bjsguess | June 11, 2009 at 03:01 PM
"One scout thinks the Pirates may have acquired three future stars for Nate McLouth."
Probably the Pirate's scout.
Posted by: HumanToilet | June 11, 2009 at 03:05 PM
rockies should deal marquis. he always has good 1st halves & terrible 2nd halves. trade him while he has value.
Posted by: kevin1013 | June 11, 2009 at 03:07 PM
Trading Napoli would be an awful, awful idea unless someone is handing over at least one TOP SP prospect. Napoli is a young stud and one of the most underrated players in the AL.
Young catchers who can hit are a major commodity.
Howie Kendrick needs to be moved...to AAA. He doesn't have trade value until he gets his OBP up. And he's not that young.
Posted by: melonis rex | June 11, 2009 at 03:08 PM
Napoli for Michael Bowden?
Posted by: Kelric | June 11, 2009 at 03:13 PM
Angels wouldnt take anything less than Bucholz for bowden.
A. Bowden is a reliever
B. Napoli is a major league talent, Bowden has been around for a couple weeks
C. The Angels dont NEED to trade Nappoli, the Red Sox have a more desperate need at catcher and have verbalized their desire for Napoli speciically
Posted by: BK | June 11, 2009 at 03:19 PM
Similarly, the Red Sox don't immediately NEED Napoli or any other catcher. Jason Varitek is slugging .510. I'm pretty sure they're happy with him behind the dish.
Posted by: PWHjort | June 11, 2009 at 03:24 PM
PWHjort,
agreed! I think Tek has exceeded expectitions. He's had his pitching staff come pretty close to no hitters twice already and his bat is as alive as ever....he has more home runs than Papi AND in double digits.
Posted by: turnthe2 | June 11, 2009 at 03:31 PM
BK, I agree they won't take Bowden for Napoli, but Bowden most definitely isn't a reliever, he's just been used on occasion in that capacity in the bigs. Bowden also made his ML debut last year as a starter, getting a win. He's also the Red Sox's 2nd best pitching prospect behind Buchholz. He's got a 2.47 ERA in 58 innings (11 GS) with 37 K's and that ERA includes him getting roughed up lately. He's a starter...not an ace, but probably a decent #3.
Posted by: ilikebaseball | June 11, 2009 at 03:31 PM
At this point i think the Reds would take a 3B who could hit .280 with a little power and a solid glove.
What would it take to get Figgins then? I mean if the Angels are in the race, i wouldnt want to overpay for him.
Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | June 11, 2009 at 03:32 PM
"Napoli for Michael Bowden?"
If the Sox want to make the deal without Buchholz, Bowden and Anderson both are pretty much musts.
Posted by: melonis rex | June 11, 2009 at 03:35 PM
With as many issues the Mets are having it would be foolish for the Rockies to start making trades. They should at least wait until after there 4 game series with NY. 5 games out of the wild card is not insurmountable. The NL Central teams should knock each other out of wild card contention.
Posted by: dan l | June 11, 2009 at 03:36 PM
"Napoli for Michael Bowden?"
If the Sox want to make the deal without Buchholz, Bowden and Anderson both are pretty much musts.
Posted by: melonis rex | June 11, 2009 at 03:35 PM
That's rape and no way in Hades does Theo do that.
Posted by: turnthe2 | June 11, 2009 at 03:47 PM
Pierre is set to make $18.5 mil over the next two years, not counting what's left of this year's salary. $15 mil is way off.
Posted by: kinbote | June 11, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Why are the Phillies giving up so quickly on Marson? Do they have other near ready catching in the minors?
Posted by: Aaron | June 11, 2009 at 03:56 PM
"The Angels seem willing to listen on Mike Napoli, Jeff Mathis and their entire infield, which consists of Kendry Morales, Howie Kendrick, Erick Aybar and Chone Figgins."
Yeah alright they are poised to make a run and willing to trade their infield away.. OKAY
I can see Figgins going, which would suck but Wood needs to get AB's..
Napoli should be untouchable, Conger needs at least 750-1000 more minor league Abs..
I love how nobody wanted Pierre, even went on saying he should not be in the MLB..
Now teams want him? Ehh
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | June 11, 2009 at 04:04 PM
"That's rape and no way in Hades does Theo do that."
Catchers entering their prime, with 3 years until FA, who also play good defense, have career OBPs of .360, and have career .850 OPSes don't grow on trees and will cost large, if not massive hauls.
Posted by: melonis rex | June 11, 2009 at 04:43 PM
Aaron,
I don't think the Phils are necessarily giving up on Marson, but that they've become very, very keen to having Ruiz behind the plate. Marson had his call-up, didn't get much time, and probably needed to absolutely wow everyone when he did. He didn't, and Chooch is getting more and more love around here as the days go by.
It doesn't hurt that Marson's still a good chip, either.
Posted by: JohnKruksWaistLine | June 11, 2009 at 04:46 PM
Catchers entering their prime, with 3 years until FA, who also play good defense, have career OBPs of .360, and have career .850 OPSes don't grow on trees and will cost large, if not massive hauls.
I would give that package up for Mauer, Martinez or McCann. You want good defense? How about superb with Mauer only having 15 errors in over 4500 innings played. THAT would net a package like the one you stated.
Posted by: turnthe2 | June 11, 2009 at 04:53 PM
The Phillies have another catching prospect who some scouts think is better than Marson in Travis D’Arnaud though he is further away. I believe he is in A-ball
Posted by: pb | June 11, 2009 at 04:55 PM
Figgins and/or Napoli would be nice fits for the BoSox but the Angels would want the moon for either. Figgins is a rent-a-player so would cost less (not cheap, just less) and at 31 with speed, a decent glove and good bat he's a perfect puzzle-piece at SS this year. Not sure of Napoli's contract but at 28 he's got good years ahead and is impressive offensively. Someone mentioned Bowden plus Anderson on a Napoli trade. That would actually be worth considering if Napoli's contract is multi-year. Anderson is just a good prospect with potential and Bowden has real value but is expendable. With Boston's looming catching needs a middle-age MLB-proven catcher with decent defense and a plus bat would be a 'catch'. I'd do that trade.
Posted by: Lock | June 11, 2009 at 05:33 PM
"Kendrick doesn't play 3B. His bat wouldn't work well there either. The guy needs to be hitting 320+ with 15HR's before he is a decent offensive player (since he won't take a walk). He is pre-arb right now."
Kendrick is a plus 2B with a strong arm, so I am sure he could play 3B if needed. That said, his bat plays better at 2B. Still, I really don't see why he has fallen off a cliff. He may not take walks, but his penchant for contact is insane. He needs to look at some tapes on Matt Kemp's development if he wants to figure it all out.
"As for Figgins - he is a FA after this season."
And almost certainly a Type A. Honestly, the best thing would be for the Angels to keep Figgins and trade Aybar to make room for Wood. Figgins is an extremely rare commodity in today's game, a true lead off man with an elite glove. BFD if he plays a traditional power position, if you have a guy like Wood playing short, you can have Figgins at 3B. He has great on base ability both by contact and by walk, elite speed, bat speed to catch up to hard stuff and line drive/gap power. All that, and I doubt he gets more than a $1 million per year raise in free agency, so it isn't like the Angels increase their payroll.
"Catchers entering their prime, with 3 years until FA, who also play good defense, have career OBPs of .360, and have career .850 OPSes don't grow on trees and will cost large, if not massive hauls."
Napoli is a solid defender, but not elite like a Martin, Mauer or Molina (all of them). Still, the fact that the guy has the potential to put up nearly Piazza-esque numbers at the plate negates any disadvantage he has to Mathis behind the dish.
Mathis is a great defensive player but he will never make the contact he needs to put his athletic skills to work on offense. He is the guy who should be made available. Ideally, I would dangle a package of Aybar, Mathis and one of Terry Evans or Matt Brown and see if it can attract a Jake Peavy or Roy Oswalt type.
Posted by: AA | June 11, 2009 at 05:39 PM
Figgins and/or Napoli would be nice fits for the BoSox but the Angels would want the moon for either. Figgins is a rent-a-player so would cost less (not cheap, just less) and at 31 with speed, a decent glove and good bat he's a perfect puzzle-piece at SS this year. Not sure of Napoli's contract but at 28 he's got good years ahead and is impressive offensively. Someone mentioned Bowden plus Anderson on a Napoli trade. That would actually be worth considering if Napoli's contract is multi-year. Anderson is just a good prospect with potential and Bowden has real value but is expendable. With Boston's looming catching needs a middle-age MLB-proven catcher with decent defense and a plus bat would be a 'catch'. I'd do that trade."
I stopped reading when you said SS. Just because someone is fast, doesnt mean they can play SS. He can play 3B or the corner OF spots.
"Napoli is a solid defender, but not elite like a Martin, Mauer or Molina (all of them). Still, the fact that the guy has the potential to put up nearly Piazza-esque numbers at the plate negates any disadvantage he has to Mathis behind the dish.
Mathis is a great defensive player but he will never make the contact he needs to put his athletic skills to work on offense. He is the guy who should be made available. Ideally, I would dangle a package of Aybar, Mathis and one of Terry Evans or Matt Brown and see if it can attract a Jake Peavy or Roy Oswalt type."
I wouldnt agree that Jose Molina is an 'elite'.
Another thing i think will happen is the dodgers extending Hudson, and using a deal involving Pierre and DeWitt. DeWitt will be a great 2B, and Pierre is showing he can still play and help out a contending team. grouped with a high prospect, pitching should be on the way back
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | June 11, 2009 at 05:50 PM
Despite the pluses that Napoli brings to the plate (pun intended) I still think Boston should take a hard look at what the Rockies would want for Iannetta. CI has had injury issues and is having a down year offensively but would still be a solid long-term pickup... and might have better long-term cost/benefit than Napoli.
Posted by: Lock | June 11, 2009 at 05:50 PM
im telling you know, Iannetta will cost a lot more than Napoli. I watch all the dodger/rockies games, and even Vin Scully know that the Rocks are high on him, and would demand Buccholz
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | June 11, 2009 at 05:59 PM
The Rockies should hold on to Marquis unless someone offers more value than a sandwhich pick, which marquis will get them if he leaves after this year (assuming he gets type B status, which I think he should with all the wins).
In fact, they should hold on to everyone and see how far this streak takes them. reevaluate after the All Star break)
Posted by: mkorpal | June 11, 2009 at 07:13 PM
"Figgins is a rent-a-player so would cost less (not cheap, just less) and at 31 with speed, a decent glove and good bat he's a perfect puzzle-piece at SS this year."
"I stopped reading when you said SS. Just because someone is fast, doesnt mean they can play SS. He can play 3B or the corner OF spots."
Just because someone doesn't play SS now doesn't mean he can't play it at all. Figgins has played 27 games at SS for the Angels since 2003. Certainly not alot and not much lately (they haven't needed him to) but he does have past experience and has demonstrated the ability to adjust to different positions quite well. Besides, have you seen Boston's SS defense lately? They've got noplace to go but up.
Posted by: Lock | June 11, 2009 at 08:03 PM
"I stopped reading when you said SS. Just because someone is fast, doesnt mean they can play SS. He can play 3B or the corner OF spots."
Um, Figgins can play all 3 OF spots as well as the entire infield to the left of 1B.
"Just because someone doesn't play SS now doesn't mean he can't play it at all. Figgins has played 27 games at SS for the Angels since 2003. Certainly not alot and not much lately (they haven't needed him to) but he does have past experience and has demonstrated the ability to adjust to different positions quite well. Besides, have you seen Boston's SS defense lately? They've got noplace to go but up. "
Figgins was a shortstop during his entire development and certainly has the skills to play there with range, instincts and a strong arm. That said, he is an elite level defensive player at 3B, so why move him if you don't need to?
"I wouldnt agree that Jose Molina is an 'elite'."
Offensively, not in a million years. Defensively, absolutely.
Posted by: AA | June 11, 2009 at 08:56 PM
Why does the Angels search for a high-upside pitcher suggest they unsure about re-signing Lackey? That is some strange logic. Does that mean if Lackey was signed long-term, the organization would not pursue a high-upside pitcher?
I think it suggests nothing. Their pursuit of a high-upside pitcher actually moves them in line with 29 other teams waiting to do the same.
Posted by: AJ | June 11, 2009 at 09:48 PM
To all the Angels fans, if Wood isn't going to be brought up to the bigs, do you think that the Cardinals could pry him from you guys? If so what would it cost? I am sure their are a few players in our farm system that would intrigue you.
A separate question: What would you guys want for Chone Figgins? A very versatile, speedster, with great contact, and great defense would be welcomed with open arms to the Cardinals. He could play 3rd for us for the rest of the season and would be a great asset to our team. So what would it take to get him?
Posted by: StlCardsFan | June 11, 2009 at 09:52 PM
"im telling you know, Iannetta will cost a lot more than Napoli. I watch all the dodger/rockies games, and even Vin Scully know that the Rocks are high on him, and would demand Buccholz"
teams can cease and desist with the ludicrous demands of premium pitching for catchers that they think Boston needs. 'Tek is back for at least this year and the Sox farm system is chugging along with *4* good prospects. Wagner at AA is currently hitting .333, great arm and + defense, only 24 years old, will be at AAA pretty soon more than likely, last years #7 and 8 picks Federowicz and Lavarnway are doing well at A Ball, federowicz especially so hitting at a cool .315, Expositio at High A ball looking good hitting .275. Forget the desperate times trying to hold the Sox up for Bucholz.. It isn't going to happen. Catcher now is NOT a need with 'Tek's bat back for at least the year they need for Wagner to get ready.
Posted by: johns | June 11, 2009 at 11:33 PM
StlCardsFan - I think the only way the Cards get Wood is if its a huge deal with Pujols involved. The angels seem that high on him...
As for Figgins, of our impending FA, I think he is the most likely to remain an angel...
Posted by: Halos77 | June 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM
According to Cots, Pierre is owed more like $25M. That's a lot for any team to swallow. Still, if the Dodgers would take Lugo in return (about $15M owed), give Theo a call.
Posted by: Little Bear | June 12, 2009 at 01:16 AM
"According to Cots, Pierre is owed more like $25M. That's a lot for any team to swallow. Still, if the Dodgers would take Lugo in return (about $15M owed), give Theo a call."
Have a feeling that as soon as Lowrie is activated in a couple of weeks Little Bear, that anybody can have the hapless Lugo for league min., with Boston paying the remaining portion.. Boston is going to finally cut ties for good with Lugo and his useless glove and bat for good, they almost have to. Why try and send Green past waivers, when he is out of options and take the chance of losing him and he can play 3B, SS and 2B as well as is 3x the fielder and hitter as Lugo? Common sense has to prevail Sox fans have to hope and all of us Sox fans can finally wave goodbye for good to Lugo.
Posted by: johns | June 12, 2009 at 02:42 AM