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Yankees officials told Joel Sherman of the New York Post that there's zero chance they trade for Roy Halladay, for the same reasons they didn't deal for Johan Santana. The cost in terms of both salary and prospects is too high.
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smart move by the yankees...
drive the price down for halladay.... as little as halladay is traded for, the better for the yanks...
I wouldnt doubt the red sox not going after him too
Posted by: mike_lee | July 08, 2009 at 04:13 PM
I remember hearing they were not in on the Teixeira sweepstakes too
Posted by: Chuck Anderson | July 08, 2009 at 04:13 PM
I don't think it's a blow to the Jays, because if the return isn't what they want they can just keep Halladay.
Posted by: Torgen | July 08, 2009 at 04:13 PM
"I wouldnt doubt the red sox not going after him too"
Gotta love double negatives...
But yeah, it seems likely that the Sox and yanks believe it's better for both teams if Halladay exits the division. Even if Halladay joins one or the other, the cost will be crippling down the road.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | July 08, 2009 at 04:16 PM
Maybe a minor hit for the Jays but there's no way Halladay was headed to either New York or Boston.
Posted by: deeselig | July 08, 2009 at 04:19 PM
my double negatives work... lol
deeselig... its not the fact if he was, but if other teams know they arent in on him, it drivesthe price down...
sure, they can just keep him.... but they dont think that is the best case, or they would not have put him on the block
Posted by: mike_lee | July 08, 2009 at 04:24 PM
It's not going to drive anything down. It doesn't help ratchet up the price but it doesn't drive it down either. If there isn't a solid package, there's no deal - Yankees or not.
Posted by: deeselig | July 08, 2009 at 04:27 PM
It's better for Halladay also to leave the AL East. Imagine the stats he can put up not having to face Boston, NYY and the Rays times on a regular basis? It's not like he isn't top 2-3 starter in the game already, but you subtract those 3 teams from having to compete against routinely 10-12 times a season and say he goes to Philly and change that to NYM, Fish and Atlanta and Halladay is one happy camper.
Posted by: johns | July 08, 2009 at 04:28 PM
nobody said the Yanks weren't in on the Teixeira sweepstakes, it was just assumed they weren't after locking up CC and Burnett. Looking back on it Cashman stayed in touch with Tex the entire time and it just took convincing on the part of Hal to spend the money for him. Tex was waiting the entire time for the Yanks, which is why he didn't sign with the Sox or anyone else.
Love that the Yanks aren't going up there MLB ready talent for Halladay. It would have been nice to see a rotation with Halladay, CC, and Burnett as the starting 3 but Halladay would cost a ton of young talent and would probably require a deal similar to CC's. That is too much money locked up into 2 pitchers, if either/both of them got hurt or lost their touch the Yanks would hurt for a very long time. Just too much of a gamble.....especially since Phil Hughes is going to win the cy young in 2010!!!
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 04:29 PM
Why would the Yankees want to drive up his price??? Wouldn't they want the Jays to get as little in return as possible for him so they don't have to play all the prospects in 2-3 years? Maybe Cashman is smarter than I give him credit for...
Posted by: Rett Davis | July 08, 2009 at 04:30 PM
If you were a Yankee fan and you wanted Halladay, then you weren't a Yankee fan. Any deal that gets Halladay to the Yanks would of had to start with Joba most likely, if not him then someone like Cano. People are way undervaluing Halladay because of what the Twinkies got for Johan - for those people, remember the Twins basically HAD to trade Johan. The Jays don't...yet.
Posted by: B3NG4L | July 08, 2009 at 04:32 PM
"especially since Phil Hughes is going to win the cy young in 2010!!!
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 04:29 PM"
Please, please, please tell me that was sarcasm.
Posted by: gfulla | July 08, 2009 at 04:35 PM
"If you were a Yankee fan and you wanted Halladay, then you weren't a Yankee fan. Any deal that gets Halladay to the Yanks would of had to start with Joba most likely, if not him then someone like Cano. People are way undervaluing Halladay because of what the Twinkies got for Johan - for those people, remember the Twins basically HAD to trade Johan. The Jays don't...yet."
A great set-up man and a second basemen who's worse than the All-Star one we have for the best pitcher in baseball? LOL. No thanks.
Posted by: Jays24 | July 08, 2009 at 04:39 PM
Joba should be a closer not a starter.
None the less every team in baseball should want Halladay unless they have no money.
He's half the salary of Sabathia and twice as good. Losing your prospects for the chance of two world series with Halladay is a minor issue.
Posted by: I like BJays | July 08, 2009 at 04:41 PM
He said starts with Joba or Cano. Nowhere did he imply Joba and Cano for Halladay.
Posted by: meph | July 08, 2009 at 04:44 PM
"A great set-up man and a second basemen who's worse than the All-Star one we have for the best pitcher in baseball? LOL. No thanks."
The point was that is the kind of talent it would take. Joba, Hughes, Cano, Montero, guys that are big-leaguers and look like they will have success at the big leagues. Not guys like Elbert, Lambo from the Dodgers, etc.
Every team wants Halladay. Of course, that is a no doubter. But not every team wants to pay the price for him.
He isn't twice as good as CC. You should know that, even as a Blue Jay homer.
And the last thing you Blue Jay fans should be doing is saying "Joba should be a closer". How good was Halladay in his first season as a starter?
Alrighty then...
Posted by: B3NG4L | July 08, 2009 at 04:47 PM
"He said starts with Joba or Cano. Nowhere did he imply Joba and Cano for Halladay.
Posted by: meph | July 08, 2009 at 04:44 PM"
Someone used Common Sense? No way!
Thank you.
Posted by: B3NG4L | July 08, 2009 at 04:47 PM
Yankees officials told Joel Sherman of the New York Post that there's zero chance they trade for Roy Halladay, for the same reasons they didn't deal for Johan Santana. The cost in terms of both salary and prospects is too high.
The Yankees concerned about high salaries. Zing.
Posted by: Dashboard | July 08, 2009 at 05:01 PM
gfulla obviously I am not predicting next years Cy Young winner yet.....but I do believe Phil Hughes will be one of the top SP's in the AL next year barring injury. No point to argue about it now, just wait until the 2010 season is complete before you get back to me.
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 05:09 PM
Great post by B3NG4L. As a Yankee fan, sure, I would have loved Halladay but I can understand the logic behind Cashman's decision. None of us know or will know what exactly was said when Cashman called in about Halladay (as was reported). Riccardi could have started naming names like Joba, Hughes, Montero, etc. as a "starting point" and Cashman isn't going to trade them. He wouldn't for Johan, he won't for Halladay.
It's actually very smart business. The Yankees really don't have to trade for anyone because every offseason they're sitting on money that they can use to spend on some of the best talent in baseball WITHOUT having to give up any prospects (case in point, CC/TEX).
I honestly think they'd be more interested in trying to get someone like Huston Street right now, if he becomes available.
Posted by: money941 | July 08, 2009 at 05:12 PM
He's half the salary of Sabathia and twice as good. Losing your prospects for the chance of two world series with Halladay is a minor issue.
Posted by: I like BJays | July 08, 2009 at 04:41 PM
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Hahaha....yeah. Sabathia is only half of Halladay. Oh wait...."I Love BJays"...now I understand.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | July 08, 2009 at 05:12 PM
"He's half the salary of Sabathia and twice as good. Losing your prospects for the chance of two world series with Halladay is a minor issue.
Posted by: I like BJays | July 08, 2009 at 04:41 PM"
Halladay is 1 and CC is 1a..
Thats kinda of excessive.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | July 08, 2009 at 05:14 PM
It was silly speculation to say the Yanks were ever serious bidders anyway. It's almost like any star making over $10 mil MUST be going to NY.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | July 08, 2009 at 05:25 PM
yanks dont need halladay anyway
Posted by: yankees | July 08, 2009 at 05:26 PM
"yanks dont need halladay anyway
Posted by: yankees | July 08, 2009 at 05:26 PM"
Every team in baseball could use a Roy Halladay.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | July 08, 2009 at 05:29 PM
The point was that is the kind of talent it would take. Joba, Hughes, Cano, Montero, guys that are big-leaguers and look like they will have success at the big leagues. Not guys like Elbert, Lambo from the Dodgers, etc.'
Sorry, but what has Montero or Hughes done at the major league level? I bet Elbert has done more, while pitching with a bum elbow that needed TJS...
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | July 08, 2009 at 05:48 PM
Untouchable minor leaguers, lmao.
Roy Halladay is a proven top 3 pitcher presently in the majors.
Who has been playing against top notch teams like Boston and New York in the AL east division, the past decade. And in the leauge of the DHs.
Pitched the most innings since 2003, could be 2002, even when missing a great portion of the season in '04 and '05.
Just recently came back from injury and still tied for 1st for wins.
Played for a team last year that was in the bottum of the AL, and one the worst in the majors, in hitting with RISP, in overall AVG, HR, RBI last year. And still manage to get 20 wins. And he pitches in a HR type stadium. This guy should be putting up wins in the high twenties with the right team.
Pitches a lot of complete games per season. Should be more if it wasn't for a coach like Gibby.
For example: Pulls Roy during the ninth, with only one more out to go, just so newly aquired closer BJ Ryan can earn a save. And he nevered complained. How many other pitchers can pitch the amount of CG he does? ...who even pitched more than him the past 7 years or so?
This guy is a big 6'5'', 225 lbs and is in better shape than literally every other ace on each team. All the others elite pitchers are either overwieght, CC Sabathia, or tiny, like Santana.
Won a Cy Young. Seems to finish in the top in voting, or runner up, for the Cy young each year.
He never throws anything straight. All his pitches have movement. This coming from scouting and the best hitters alike:
Derek Jeter was quoted as saying that Halladay is "probably the best starter in baseball."
Alex Rodriguez was also quoted on saying that Halladay is the best pitcher in the MLB.
He's a ground ball pitchter and can get out of a bad situation with a double play with ease, but there's no need because he rarely gets into those situations. Though he pitches for contact, he also strikeouts opponents and still pitchers alot of innings. Rarely walk batters, half are probably intentional orderd by the coach! He hates people getting on base period.
Better yet, he has such a strong influence on the young pitchers down in the minors. Who you always see working out along side the Doc, copying his techniques and workouts, in spring training. Even among his peers, where as the ace of the LA Angels, Lackey, would stand by to watch Roy in his pre-game workout session before they both start and speaks of him as a top 3 pitcher in all of baseball. Look at the young ace of the Seattle Mariners, Herendez, pitching stance is very similar to that of Roy Halladay.
Just look at the pitching statistics of Toronto the past two years, the best. All youngsters.
Give the best hitters in all of the majors 570+ At Bats against Roy and what would their overall stats be? Avg? BB? etc. Or put you're so called "untouchable" hitting prospects up against him. He'll embarrass them.
He's so competitive, after a loss, his wife mentions that he's tense and quiet at the dinner table. So angry with himself she could barely talk to him. This guy's all heart and no bullshit.
Roy nevered complain or whined once about money, teammates, coaching staff, etc. This is a true professional and to me is underpaid. All he wants to do is win.
Donated 500,000 to charity after the team renewed his contract. Now that's a real role model.
If Roy Halladay was to be traded, the attendance in Toronto would be brutal just like the Florida Marlins.
This guy deserves more respect. And more of that compare to these "untouchable" minor leaguers/prospects. Where are all the top 100, 50, 25 hpyed minor leaguers in each of the past 10 years? Still developing? How old are they now? Still in the minors? Just doing okay in the majors?
On the bench? Most just fizzle out. Not many make it to the big league and become superstars.
For example: Toronto's very own OF Alex Rios was ranked #1 prospect in America, in w/e year. And was being compared to A-ROD at the time. Now he's 29, overpaid, and under-performing and still no break out year. Still valuable yet, for some reaosn, due to his potential. Bullshit!
So screw all that hyped gossip on these "untouchable" minor leaguers and prospects, most of them are at the age where they should already be in the majors and in their prime. If you wanted the Doc really bad, you'll give up a superstar and plus top class A prospect"s".
Doc Halladay gives you results. He is the most efficient pitcher around. He has the consistency, the stamina, power, the stuff and is a true professional. This is a guy who you want to build a team around.
He is the untouchable of the majors.
Posted by: Trident | July 08, 2009 at 06:09 PM
wow Trident you really need to cut down your posts. I don't even know if what you said was significant or not since I read about 3 lines before realizing it was a autobiography based on Halladays life.
At Lakersdodgersyankees4life.....Montero is only 19 years old and considered the best catching prospect in baseball. And I'm not sure if you have seen Hughes this year but he has been down right dominant and has been a top prospect for years. Plus anytime he has been HEALTHY he has shown flashes of what he can do.
For all those saying Halladay would be worth the prospects just look at the Red Sox. You never know what you are going to give up and if you give up multiple talents one of them will most likely pan out and become a star. You don't think the Red Sox would take back the trade with the Marlins for Beckett and HanRam?
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 07:02 PM
"Montero is only 19 years old and considered the best catching prospect in baseball."
No that would be Buster Posey.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | July 08, 2009 at 07:08 PM
well actually if you still consider Wieters a prospect than its him.
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 07:24 PM
Buster Posey is 2 years older than Montero and at high A....Montero is at AA putting up comparable numbers....I would say he is the better prospect
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 07:29 PM
"Buster Posey is 2 years older than Montero and at high A....Montero is at AA putting up comparable numbers....I would say he is the better prospect
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 07:29 PM"
Posey is projected to stay behind the plate, Montero?? maybe.. But he can rake.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | July 08, 2009 at 07:58 PM
Montero has made some strides though on the defensive side this year. He is still only 19.
Its all hearsay though....its like arguing who you would rather have CC or Johan....its a privilege to have either one.
I think both Poser and Montero are going to be great players.
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 08:29 PM
Posey*
Posted by: yanks09 | July 08, 2009 at 08:34 PM
"The news is a minor blow for the Blue Jays, who could have used the Yankees' interest to drive up Halladay's price, even if they had no intention of dealing their ace within the division."
The Jays sealed that deal when they announced that teams will not have time to negotiate an extension for Halladay.
Posted by: Little Bear | July 08, 2009 at 09:20 PM
Oh its shame the Yankees aren't in on Halladay.
All the Yankees posters on here were getting ready to offer their blockbuster deals of Phil Hughes AND Hideki Matsui I doubt Toronto could have turned that down.
Posted by: OhPityMe | July 09, 2009 at 08:52 AM
Are you really kidding me? Hughes & Matsui for Halladay why would anyone want to take matsui who is declining rapidly with a big rental player contract?
Posted by: Yankee Fan57 | July 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Saving this piece in my "Mark Teixeira" file for future reference.
Posted by: Steve | July 15, 2009 at 05:14 PM