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By Zach Links [October 25, 2009 at 6:45pm CST]
In his column today, the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo brings us a great deal of tidbits from around the majors:
- Former Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi and ex-Padres GM Kevin Towers will "likely surface somewhere soon."
- Cafardo wonders aloud if new Padres GM Jed Hoyer could work out a deal with his former club and send Adrian Gonzalez to Boston. One AL GM identified Gonzalez and Heath Bell as major chips that could be moved as part of a rebuilding effort. Hoyer is obviously familiar with Boston's assets, but Theo Epstein might be reluctant to part with Casey Kelly, Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard.
- Boston must act on Victor Martinez's $7.1MM option within five days of the World Series ending, but Cafardo wonders if they would prefer to sign him to a long-term deal in advance of Joe Mauer's talks with the Twins. Martinez's rep says that he and his client are "up for either scenario."
- If the Red Sox choose to part ways with Jason Varitek ($5MM club option or $3MM player option for '10), there are a number of options available to the BoSox to replace him. One player mentioned is Rays catcher Gregg Zaun, whose $2MM option may not be picked up. Zaun has already said that he wants to return to Tampa Bay in 2010.
- The "latest thinking" indicates that Arizona will pick up Brandon Webb's $8.5MM option as his rehab from shoulder surgery is reportedly going well.
- John Lackey is in line for a big contract this winter, but it doesn't appear that he'll get it from the Angels. The Angels could instead use that money on an upgrade over Brian Fuentes. Cafardo says to look for the Rangers and Mets to show interest.
- More on the Angels as Vladimir Guerrero could stay on with the club if he is willing to take a reasonably priced one-year deal. Guerrero has already publicly stated his desire to remain with the Halos.
- It will be difficult for the Phillies to find the cash necessary to retain Pedro Martinez.
- Dan Duquette was considered for the Blue Jays CEO/President position but doesn't appear to be atop current CEO Paul Beeston's list.
I've read somewhere that the Red Sox want to trade for Adrian Gonzalez. Is this true?
Posted by: agonzo23 | October 25, 2009 at 06:52 PM
Definitely eager to see Hoyer's first move. Given SD's strong bullpen and Mike Adams being able to take the Closer role in 2'10, trading Heath Bell will be an easy way for Hoyer to get "some of his own" prospects into SD's system.
Hoyer also has a big decision to make with whether to stick with Kouzmanoff at 3B or trade him, giving Headley 3B.
However, trading Adrian will obviously be the biggest thing Hoyer can do to start putting his fingerprints into the core of the Padres 2'10 team, and let's be honest, why wouldn't he want his work to be a distinctive part of who the team is next year? Trading Bell, Gonzo, and Kouz would be an exciting way for Hoyer to come into San Diego. I think the fans here are excited enough by Kyle Blanks to allow Adrian to leave, especially if Hoyer can wrangle away Casey Kelly or Daniel Bard.
Posted by: WestCoastBias | October 25, 2009 at 06:53 PM
Would the Angels be interested in someone like Joe Nathan to close for them? The Twins would probably be looking for middle infield or 3B help. Maybe Wood if the Halos resign Figgins? or Aybar?
Posted by: Den_Orath | October 25, 2009 at 06:53 PM
I also would love to see the team give Pedro a competitive 2-year offer, he'd thrive at Petco and Jed could pay him a Schilling-like visit to convince him why he could be a part of a competitive team by 2'11... Maybe...
Posted by: WestCoastBias | October 25, 2009 at 06:55 PM
so how soon before trades start happening?
Posted by: harrison | October 25, 2009 at 07:01 PM
but Theo Epstein might be reluctant to part with Casey Kelly, Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard"
then there wont be many Sawx trades
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 25, 2009 at 07:04 PM
"I also would love to see the team give Pedro a competitive 2-year offer
Posted by: WestCoastBias | October 25, 2009 at 06:55 PM"
I can't believe people are willing to give Pedro 2 year offers. One year or a year with a mutual option at most
Posted by: A. Ryan | October 25, 2009 at 07:06 PM
Adrian Gonzalez rumor might be a little premature.
Carfardo probably started it today to sell papers.
Posted by: Cyyoung | October 25, 2009 at 07:09 PM
I'm not sure whether Jed's first move should be trading away his franchise player to his former team for a bag of balls.I find it amusing how Boston synchophants like Catardo and Gammons always qualify who Boston won't use in a trade.Boston is one team among many and if they don't want to include fair value in a trade he should move on to another team with a better deal.I don't care how great the goodbye party was that Theo threw for him.
Posted by: bobmac | October 25, 2009 at 07:15 PM
There's no comparing V-Mart and Mauer. One contract won't influence the other.
Posted by: BomberMan26 | October 25, 2009 at 07:22 PM
I really think Hoyer coming to the Padres means that Gonzalez will not be going to the red sox. Hoyer knows that system way too well and I dont think him and Epstine will be able to come to an agreement on the red sox players coming back in the deal. Also if KT ends up in boston it will be a total mess between the two sires.
Also as Bobmac pointed out prob not the best move in the world to trade the best player on the team to your former team...if things don't work out in the favor of the Padres Hoyer will look like a total stooge.
In the end I think Bell will get traded to the Angles, Headley will get moved to the Twins and A-gon will get moved at the deadline to the highest bidder.
Posted by: Grey Suit | October 25, 2009 at 07:22 PM
in fairness bobmac - all teams have prospects they won't trade. Plenty of articles pointed who the Phillies would and would not trade for Halladay or Lee.
And there will not be many Sox trades - I just don't see them trading pitching prospects they need and outfield prospects for a 1B they want.
This is because the Sox made a run at him at the deadline - but it was clear the Sox were going after 1 move, and that was V-mart. They will explore a trade but it will never be serious. Hoyer would be avoiding Boston for a bit, the same way the Theo and Josh Byrnes haven't done anything of note.
Posted by: quintjs | October 25, 2009 at 07:23 PM
I think people are letting their emotion play too much into the reasoning behind this stories. Look, we all know this is something thats going to get talked about at length. It will be the question of the hot stove (along with questions about king felix/Halladay) so get used to it. What else are writers supposed to write about.
But in this story you may want to take notice of the players listed. Cause thats who apparently Hoyer likes in the Sox system. Thats the development here, not that the Sox/Padres might make a Adrian trade. There isnt much going on in the baseball world at the moment so writers are bored, like us. They have this were the sox want a player, and a member of the sox front office is getting the top job in the other organization. It makes sense to wonder if it will effect a deal.
As for my personally feelings, trading Adrian only make sense if the Padres are getting at least one sure thing and multiple high upside players in return. As I have said before, it will hurt the Padres to trade Adrian, it should hurt the Sox to acquire him.
Posted by: AirmanSD | October 25, 2009 at 07:25 PM
lakersdodgersyankees4life, why won't the sox make any trades? It's not like we're Dodger fans who say every player is untouchable! There is no comparison between Theo and Coletti.
Posted by: Red Sox Dynasty | October 25, 2009 at 07:36 PM
The Red Sox have no need for Adrian Gonzalez or Prince Fielder this season, their offense production from Youkillis, Lowell and Ortiz is fine for now. They need to acquire a SS badly, upgrade at the backup catcher position and Left Field with Bay's situation being uncertain.
Personally i see them re-signing Bay for Left Field, he loves Boston and is a fan favorite. Signing Jack Wilson for SS and having Varitek return for one more season (even though i am against it)
C-Vmart
1B-Youkillis
2B-Pedroia
3B-Lowell
SS-Wilson
LF-Bay
CF-Ellsbury
RF-Drew
DH-Ortiz
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | October 25, 2009 at 07:44 PM
If the Sox arent willing to trade any of their prospects, there wont be any Halladay/Fielder, Agon trades.
And the difference is our players are ESTABLISHED players, not guys who struggled in the minors last year.
"in fairness bobmac - all teams have prospects they won't trade. Plenty of articles pointed who the Phillies would and would not trade for Halladay or Lee."
No one knew the Indians were just gonna give Lee to the Phils either though
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 25, 2009 at 07:46 PM
"John Lackey is in line for a big contract this winter, but it doesn't appear that he'll get it from the Angels. The Angels could instead use that money on an upgrade over Brian Fuentes."
Or a different starting pitcher who could slot in behind Weaver/Kazmir, which would make an infinite amount of sense. Going after Harden or Bedard on a 1-2 year deal would be intelligent for the Angels.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 25, 2009 at 08:00 PM
Kazmir's not that good anymore Melonis
Posted by: SouvenirCityBaby | October 25, 2009 at 08:20 PM
"Kazmir's not that good anymore Melonis"
true but neither is Saunders and Santana had a down year
just means the Angels really do need to target SP this offseason, even if they do let Lackey walk.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 25, 2009 at 08:23 PM
the Angels are not a small market team and have Vladdys big contract coming off the books.. I dont see why they shouldnt be able to re-sign Lackey
Getting another closer makes little sense as they gave big bucks ot Fuentes last offseason. I realize hes not great but its not where i would spend money if im the Angels
Posted by: Adam | October 25, 2009 at 09:06 PM
Good point. The Angels are, in fact, a huge market team compared against, say, Seattle, Oakland, Boston, Baltimore, Cleveland, etc. Artie Moreno has always been willing to spend what it takes. If they want Lackey, they will sign him. If they want to after King Felix or Halladay, they can.
Posted by: gerald troy | October 25, 2009 at 09:50 PM
gerald, i disagree, somewhat. Yes the Angels are a big market team, but I dont think money is the main thing in the Halladay/Felix talks(at least for the recieving teams). Its more about the prospects. Sorta like the Dodgers, they have used a great deal of prospects in recent years in trades(Tex, Kazmir, etc) and a lot of talent is either in different organizations or in the lower half of the minors. They have the money to make a deal, but the question is if they have the prospects...
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 25, 2009 at 10:26 PM
WOW...didnt realize I cheered for the small market team known as the Red Sox...and FYI, seattle has spent 100mil a year too the last few years ..Ill just pretend I didnt read that...
Posted by: chowdah | October 26, 2009 at 03:04 AM
Ok, I'm really curious to see what people think about this, just an idea I got while reading all of the posts...
The Mets are looking for a short-term solution at 1B (with Ike Davis about a year away) and they already said they want a RH 1B for next year to platoon with Murphy, so let's say the Mets were to sign Vladimir Guerrero on a 1 or 2 year deal to play 1B with Murphy? I know he hasn't played it before and he's aging fast but I figured A) its a platoon situation offering a lot of days off and B) 1B is much less demanding than OF. I also figured the market for Vlad wouldn't be huge and I can't see his value being too high. While he will offer his RH bat, maybe he can bring a positive mindset to the team as well. And among all things, Omar loves Vlad. Is this too far fetched?
Posted by: Wolverine | October 26, 2009 at 03:27 AM
I just think that it would be stupid for the Angels to resign Lackey if his price tag is at the AJ Burnett level. 4/60? Sure. More than that? Look to other options.
"They have the money to make a deal, but the question is if they have the prospects..."
I'd think that if the Angels offered Wood, Trevor Bell, and Trevor Reckling for Halladay, the Jays would have to listen. Although that would mean that resigning Figgins would be likely.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 26, 2009 at 06:40 AM
If the Angels want to keep John Lackey, and I hope they do, they will. They have the resources to do so. Of all the players that are free agents, to me he is the most irreplaceable. There simply isn't a good crop of starters you could plug the hole with. Without Lackey the Angels are left without a front-line starter.
The writer forgets to mention that the Angels bullpen will be much better next year (if they can keep Darren Oliver) with the return of a healthy Scott Shields. The Angels would also serve themselves well by developing Kevin Jepsen as their next closer, and not spending millions on another import when it isn't necessary.
As for the offense and defense, Figgins is also very difficult to replace. His defense is gold glove caliber and, save the playoffs, he was one of the bet table-setters in the league. He should be resigned. Losing him creates multiple holes - comfortable leadoff role, defense at third, speed on the base paths, etc..
Abreu should be brought back. Period.
Bringing back Vlad is a more complicated matter. I just don't think Scioscia will earmark one slot on the roster for a player that will only used as DH. He likes using players in multiple roles.
Moving forward, I think the Angels need to address the following issues:
1. They have to find out what they are doing with GMJ. He was not happy sitting the bench this year, and I think he'll demand a trade in the off season. It would be best for both parties to make that happen. Team chemistry is huge. I actually like GMJ very much as a reserve outfielder, but his contract is just too large for that role and he won't be happy in that role.
2. If Figgins is resigned Brandon Wood needs to find a new home. He is out of options, so packaging him with GMJ and a pitching prospect for quality bullpen and utility depth could prove huge for another WS run.
3. Whether they resign Lackey or not, the Angels should absolutely go after Roy Halladay or another front-line starter. I still think they need one more pitcher for depth purposes.
4. Resign Darren Oliver and find out if Kevin Jepsen can become your closer.
5. Find a good 4th outfielder to take over for the (hopefully) departing GMJ.
6.
Posted by: Halofan30 | October 26, 2009 at 08:43 AM
I'm so f'in happy right now. However, I want to say to all Angels fans...you guys have a very, very good team. The play was uncharacteristic of your usual play and the Yankees had to play some near perfect games to beat you guys in 6. Hold your heads high because I'm sure we'll see you again next year.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | October 26, 2009 at 08:51 AM
I would love to see Lackey end up in Boston but I really dont see how the Angels could let him go. Also, I highly doubt the Red Sox will be trading for Adrian Gonzalez, Felix Hernandez, and certainly not Roy Halladay. They will most likely end up signing someone like Rich Harden, Erik Bedard, or Ben Sheets. I think they will just wait this year out with guys like Ortiz and Lowell and once they are off the books that is when I expect them to start making some big moves. Their top prospects will be further along in terms of development and that gives guys like Lars Anderson to prove that last year was just a fluke and that he is a solid ballplayer.
Posted by: redsox22 | October 26, 2009 at 09:47 AM
Here's the thing with Hoyer, he has inside information on the Red Sox prospects that are A level and high upside guys that are very little known right now to most outsiders. Remember the Minnesota trade with Pierzinski(pardon my spelling, i'm supposed to be writing a paper right now so I'm writing this real fast) when the Twins recieved Joe Nathan and a very little known about A level pitcher named Fransisco Liriano? Hoyer could get players like Liriano level guys with high upside because he KNOWS the Red Sox farm system very well. He can get guys in the Sox minor leagues that may not fit the Sox team well, but are better suited for Petco Park, gap hitters like Reddick or Kalish, and flyball pitchers who may not suit well for Fenway but will sit well at Petco. This trade could go down with a lot of prospects that Hoyer likes.
Posted by: dudewheresmygrl | October 26, 2009 at 09:49 AM
HAHA, the Red Sox a small market team. Woohoo!
Problem with the Angels isn't the size of the market, it's getting the yuppies to put down their lattes and pick up a beer and watch 9 innings of baseball on a nearly daily basis.
Posted by: SoxFan2009 | October 26, 2009 at 03:14 PM
HAHA, the Red Sox a small market team. Woohoo!
Problem with the Angels isn't the size of the market, it's getting the yuppies to put down their lattes and pick up a beer and watch 9 innings of baseball on a nearly daily basis.
Posted by: SoxFan2009 | October 26, 2009 at 03:14 PM"
What the hell are you talking about?
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | October 26, 2009 at 03:53 PM
I'd think that if the Angels offered Wood, Trevor Bell, and Trevor Reckling for Halladay, the Jays would have to listen. Although that would mean that resigning Figgins would be likely."
Obviously, but that kills their main farm pieces for one year of Doc. If they werent willing to do it last year, why do it this year, when you have less control(only one year)? Doesnt make sense, IMO
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 26, 2009 at 05:49 PM
Sox09. Really? Latte's came from the Seattle coffee craze via Starbucks. Not L.A. or O.C. Angel fans are from every socio-economic and racial group and drink whatever they like.
Boston's population is smaller than Jacksonville's, whereas NY is 8MM and LA is larger. The New England area has about half the population of metropolitan NY or LA ($20+MM).
Boston is a big market team because a century old tradition of rapid fans who now live all over the USA.
They fill the Park, buy NESN and merchandise. Just look at the numbers.
Posted by: gerald troy | October 26, 2009 at 06:02 PM
Sorry all. Got rushed. Boston is a big market team because of a century old tradition of raBid fans who now live all over the USA. Boston's regional area (NE) is smaller than some big market metro areas.
Posted by: gerald troy | October 26, 2009 at 06:08 PM
SouvenirCityBaby---
There is a deffinet need of Adrian Gonzalez or a bat this offseason. With Lowell, Ortiz, and Varitek on the down sides of they're careers how could anyone say they dont need a big bat?
Also, the Red Sox could get a big bat without having to give up Casey Kelly, Bard, or Buchholz. They have Kalish, Bowden, Anderson, Westmoreland, Rizzo, and Stolmy who are all great prospects.
Theo will not make the same mistake he did last offseason, there will be moves made.
Posted by: BostonsFuture | October 27, 2009 at 03:02 PM