Rogers On Chapman, Vazquez, Valentine, Gonzalez

"Rogers thinks it's "wishful thinking" to expect new Padres GM Jed Hoyer to deal Adrian Gonzalez to Hoyer's former employer, the Boston Red Sox."

Oh no, now you'll have a Red Sox invasion of 'what? you're crazy- Padres would talk Bowden, Lowrie and Delcarmen in a heartbeat for Gonzalez!' messages

"Oh no, now you'll have a Red Sox invasion of 'what? you're crazy- Padres would talk Bowden, Lowrie and Delcarmen in a heartbeat for Gonzalez!"

That's bull. We won't have to give up Delcarmen and we can replace Lowrie with Green.

bowden, kalish, navarro, doubront, jimenez, lavarnway for adrian gonzalez??

I find it exciting to thing if Seattle signed Chapman, Felix could be available.

Anyone see ATL taking a Bradley for one of the before mentioned SP?

I wouldn't be shocked at all if Agon was extended, or not traded to the Red Sox(I'm a Sox fan). Hoyer will take the best package, even if it's not from the Red Sox. If it is with the Red Sox, some of you might be surprised at some of the names in the package. Hoyer knows the system as good as anyone. And he might pluck a few young names that some who aren't familiar with the system might not know. I could see a Kelly+Westmoreland(Kalish/Reddick+ Bowden(Tazawa)+ Anderson. Maybe one of the Catchers as a replacemnet or and add on.

The Padres system is thin and the team isn't going to contend for awhile. they can afford to go for some young high end talent that may be 2+ years away. Whatever SD does, if they trade AG, they need a package the helps fill out there system. And not just one high end guy and a bunch of fillers. They should be thinking quantity( like the Harden deal.

When Hudson re-signed with the Braves? Is it official? What were the numbers if it's done?

And Vazquez won't be traded, Wren said so already, with him and Vazquez both saying they are interested in an extension.

Why wouldn't the m's just take that money that they would have to give chapman and in turn use said money to keep Felix? Why not spend the money the sure thing? Signing Chapman seems like a lousy allocation of resources for the Mariners if you ask me.

as a red sox fan i have to admit, i'm pretty tired by all theses random trade proposals... let the FO negotiate everything, yeah?

Kyle Blanks will not be going anywhere! Will not happen, period! He is exactly what the Padres want, a right handed power hitter with great athletic ability under control, cheap. He may just have more power potential then Adrian. He will not be traded!

Jake Fox
Jay Jackson
Tony Thomas

for

Derek Lowe

Rotation
Lilly
Lowe
Zambrano
Wells
Dempster

Posted by: BLEEDINGCUBBIEBLUE | October 31, 2009 at 08:09 PM

i dont think i can say yes quickly enough to that proposal as a braves fan

omg, what is it with people not shutting up about stupid trade rumors with the Braves?!?!?! God almighty first it was Escobar and now Vasquez. VASQUEZ ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE!!!! Some combination of Derek Lowe, Kenshin Kawakami, Kelly Johnson, Ryan Church and maybe some minor league guys are going to be traded for a right handed power bat. Anyone who pays any attention to the Braves knows this!!! AND STOP LISTENING TO KEN ROSENTHAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Jake Fox
Jay Jackson
Tony Thomas

for

Derek Lowe"

Yes, please.

Oh ok, gotcha Luke. Just making sure I did't miss something.

Lowe will go to the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels or Cubs. Only one of them can sign Lackey, leaving the rest longing for a quality SP.

"Lowe will go to the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels or Cubs. Only one of them can sign Lackey, leaving the rest longing for a quality SP.
Posted by: Thundersticks | October 31, 2009 at 09:13 PM "

When was the last time Lowe was a quality pitcher in the AL?

I would like to place a bet that the Yankees will own either Chapman's or Hernandez's contract in one year of two-three years, respectively.

"When he played for the Red Sox. Its kinda hard to be a quality pitcher in one league when you play for a team in the other league.

After Lackey, name a better FA SP on the market this winter.
Posted by: Thundersticks | October 31, 2009 at 09:32 PM"

Right, in 2002. He wasnt good until he went to the NL, then got paid 60m from an NL team. Yankees dont need him, neither do the Red Sox. Angels might need a SP, but not Lowe.

"Lowe will go to the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels or Cubs. Only one of them can sign Lackey, leaving the rest longing for a quality SP."

I think these are the teams as well that have the funds to deal for Lowe. Here are some guys that I'd want from each team for Lowe.

Cubs:
Jake Fox
Jay Jackson
Tony Thomas

Angels:
Jose Arredondo
Freddy Sandoval

Red Sox:
Yamaico Navarro
Ryan Westmoreland

Yankees:
Zach McAllister
Kevin De Leon

No, Vazquez is, what 33 or 34? That would be your main trade cornerstone, and I don't think the Brewers would trade because they think they have a shot at Lackey.

661dodgerblue

If you change Vazquez with Lowe/Kawakami and I'd even add Medlen and that would be a better deal.

So Lowe/Kawakami, Medlen, Johnson and Kimbrel

Posted by: Jay212033 | October 31, 2009 at 09:59 PM"

Yeah that makes all the sense in the world for the Braves.

Are people serious? That doesn't even come CLOSE to getting Fielder.

"Right, in 2002. He wasnt good until he went to the NL, then got paid 60m from an NL team. Yankees dont need him, neither do the Red Sox. Angels might need a SP, but not Lowe.

Posted by: Deanezag | October 31, 2009 at 09:53 PM"

How many times have we seen a NL pitcher go to the AL and struggle? Nearly all of them. But AL teams still pursue them. I'm not saying Lowe would pitch well in the AL, but after Lackey there just aren't many options.

If the Yankees lose the WS, it will be because then need one more SP. I believe they will sign Lackey. The Red Sox probably don't want him back, but they have lots of question marks in their rotation. The Angels and Cubs seem like the best fits. Both have the need and the money/bad contracts to trade.

"How many times have we seen a NL pitcher go to the AL and struggle? Nearly all of them. But AL teams still pursue them."

If an AL GM wanted to get Lowe for 15m a year they would have signed him last year. He's a year older and not pitching in the NL West anymore, he's not ending up in the AL.

can people please think of trades that would happen in real life and not those that would only happen in MLB The Show?

If the Brewers wouldn't take Vazquez, Kimbrel and Johnson for fielder than I don't see why the Braves would even need to bother. In my opinion that would be bad deal for the Braves considering that Fielder would he gone in 2 years and the strong looking future for Kimbrel. Not to mention Johnson could develop into a big power threat.

Well, this Sox fan doesnt even want to listen to anything for Gonzalez..The Pads will want waaaay more than he is realistically worth..Ells is a top CF and only getting better..70 steals only 2 errors in 2.5 years(IDC what FG says)and Buch showed us what hes capable of in the 2nd half..and I can only imagine what prospects they would want..Nope..sorry..not interested..Ill take Youk for now..There will be a lot of questions answered this year with a bunch of the kids on the farm for the Sox..Exposito is proving a solid catcher..Kelly dominated last year as a SP, lets see how AA treats him..Anderson had a down year moving to AA but was coming on towards the end, just to name a couple..I think FA is the way to go this offseason for the sox..If its not for king Felix, Its probably not worth it..Id rather wait a year to see if these kids can up their value before just GIVING them all away for 1 guy...if a couple of themhave another great year,we can get more for them if theres a real need..Id wait to see what Bay does..I believe he will be back in a Boston uni..if not........

Vasquez
Jurrjens
Hanson
Hudson
Medlen

Best rotation in baseball.

Frank Wren will consider trading Javy Vasquez if it makes the most sense for the team. Comparing it to Escobar trade rumors is kind of ridiculous. Escobar is young and cheap and the braves don't have anyone younger and cheaper to replace him. There's no reason to thing he would be traded. Javy Vasquez is expensive, aging, and Atlanta has six starters who earn around $43 million collectively. There is plenty of reason to believe he could be dealt.

I would personally love to see the Braves trade Lowe and Kawakami but trading Vasquez makes sense if a team is willing to put together the right package for him.

Lowe will go to the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels or Cubs. Only one of them can sign Lackey, leaving the rest longing for a quality SP."

I think these are the teams as well that have the funds to deal for Lowe. Here are some guys that I'd want from each team for Lowe.

Cubs:
Jake Fox
Jay Jackson
Tony Thomas

Angels:
Jose Arredondo
Freddy Sandoval

Red Sox:
Yamaico Navarro
Ryan Westmoreland

Yankees:
Zach McAllister
Kevin De Leon

Are you drunk or High? Westmoreland was a untouchable during the Halladay talks. Westmoreland will not be going anywhere, let alone a horrible albatross salary dump.

Please go back to sniffing glue.

Yunel Escobar & Kris Medlen for Elvis Andrus & Nelson Cruz?

BostonsFuture- Why did you put Lars' 2008 stats when 2009 just finished? In 2009 he went .233/.328/.345 9HRs in 119 AA games.

Posted by: Deanezag | November 01, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Because it doesn't help prove his point and makes Lars less than stellar as a prospect, which as we all know is impossible for a red sox prospect to suck at least according to fans like bostonsfuture. The 4 players he listed (reddick, anderson, kalish, and tazawa) is not netting Adrian Gonzalez. Now on the other end it's ridiculous for other teams' fans to say boston has to include ellsubry and/or buccholz, they can easily make a more than fair offer w/o either of those two. However they're going to have to include Kelly or Westmoreland

NYYLastPlace4ever- his 2008 stats were also inflated with his .435 BABIP, this year it was .293

DB,

You are correct that Red Sox fans should not be labeling anyone "untouchable" in trade talks for top talent. That said, the reluctance to trade some of the unproven talent lies in the fact that Adrian Gonzalez just had his first season in which he put up an OPS over .900. His home splits have been a significant factor, no doubt, but he has only had one "elite" season, which stands in contrast to other fantasy targets, such as Hanley Ramirez or Miguel Cabrera.

Granted, Gonzalez has trended upward and appears to be entering his prime, but he will also become very costly in two seasons. Furthermore, bringing him in at 1B moves Youkilis over to 3B, where he is nowhere near as valuable defensively. This mitigates some of the value, as the Red Sox would not be filling a position of need so much as shuffling personnel around to make room for another potent bat.

While it is painful to watch people through out packages such as "Bowden, Doubront, Navarro" or "Bowden, Kalish, Pimentel," it is equally painful when others go too far to the opposite extreme, suggesting that it would take "Ellsbury, Buccholz, Kelly, and Westmoreland + two top prospects." Proven or unproven, pieces such as Kelly and Westmoreland are valuable enough for their upside that the Red Sox would be better-served moving them in separate packages to acquire players at multiple positions than to gift-wrap the entire farm system for a single player who is only under control for two more seasons. Even with unproven commodities, at some point when you are throwing out six-prospect packages, you have to stop and realize that you are talking about 36 years worth of cost-controlled talent for two years of a single player whose marginal value lies in the upgrade that he provides (since he would be replacing a similarly valuable player at 1B, and Youkilis would then replace Lowell's production at 3B).

So, to sum it up, the reason why the Red Sox wouldn't eagerly gut the farm for Adrian Gonzalez is that these wild proposals would mean that the Red Sox would no longer have the trade chips to fill other holes on the big-league club outside of free agency (recall the Yankees circa 2003-2007). Frankly, they would be better served investing those chips in Felix Hernandez, because the relative upgrade in the starting rotation would likely have a greater impact (Beckett, Hernandez, Lester, Matsuzaka, Buccholz) than the relative upgrade from swapping Lowell's bat (while subsidizing his 2010 cost and losing Youkilis' defensive value at 1B) with Gonzalez's.

"While it is painful to watch people through out packages such as "Bowden, Doubront, Navarro" or "Bowden, Kalish, Pimentel," it is equally painful when others go too far to the opposite extreme, suggesting that it would take "Ellsbury, Buccholz, Kelly, and Westmoreland + two top prospects."

Your right both sides are unrealistic. Your not going to get Adrian with a bunch of scrubs and your not going to get Ellbury and Buchholz+. They are going to have to give up at least 1 proven player (Ellsbury, Bard, Buccholz) or top prospect (Kelly, Westmoreland) and a couple other lesser prospects.

Red Sox fans:

YOUR PROSPECTS ARE NOT THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.

Bowden and Bard were the ony two in the top 100 last year and they were 83 and 98.

Bard is a reliever maybe future closer and Bowden is projected to be a middle of the rotation starter who was terrible in the majors this year.

Anderson had a terrible year and lost tons of value.

"Anderson had one stretch where his numbers were hurt by injury, not the full season."

I can only laugh at this comment. He hit .233 .328 .345 so I guess it was a pretty good stretch. 9 HR in 447 AB is pathetic. He only missed about 20 games so the injury must not have been that bad.

Don't get me wrong the Sox have one of the best farm systems in baseball but, we are talking about one of the best young players in the game signed for the next two year at practically nothing.

bkoke way to fail at reading comprehension/context. I was merely commenting that Anderson's struggles throughout the season are not solely the result of injury

Jed Hoyer informed Jeff Moorad that the Red Sox had no intention of pursuing Adrian Gonzalez. Speculation on the matter is a waste of time. With that said the reason why many fans of other teams don't hold the Red Sox prospects in such high regard is due to one of two reasons, they are jealous or they think that by undervaluing them it might give their team a better chance at acquiring them.

"not really blackcourt, it's more of a we're tired of being told how excellent the boston prospects are and how they're all guaranteed superstars. Obviously this only comes from a few of "red sox nation" but it's enough that it gets pretty tiresome, especially considering boston doesn't have the top system"

Do you think the Red Sox fans you are referring to really know all that much about the farm system? They are reiterating what they read from professional scouts like I do. The Sox farm system is really that good. I don't think anyone is trying to say that they are guarantees, but you can't refute that they are talented or professionals like Baseball America wouldn't be talking about them the way that they do.

I never said they weren't talented, in fact Boston has a strong system. Tops in the majors? Not even close but still very strong. However when you get multiple comments lavishing praise on the Bowdens and Kalishs of your system as being TOP prospects in horrible trade proposals then it gets a little out of hand

The comment that Lowe has had trouble with heat and humidity in Atlanta is no doubt correct. Back when I pitched, breaking balls worked great in the southeast. The same pitch was worthless in the western mountain states. Low humidity, at much higher elevation, required a totally different pitch mix. Breaking balls broke less, but later, and you had better have an active fastball and changeup. But, Lowe and others know this and make the changes necessary. Lowe should do fine!

Felix is in Seattle to stay, why would an improving team trade there 23 year old ace especially when Chapman is 21 and he will need at least 1 full year in the minors which will put him around the age Felix is now.

I think the Braves need to dump Kawakami, Johnson, and Logan. Keep Lowe and Vazquez.

Now for position players:
I say resign Adam Laroche to like a two year 12 million dollar deal. Then, I am still really high on the braves acquiring Delmon YOung from the Twins. If they dont dump the players i listed above^^^, Wren could shop KK or KJ or both for delmon. Delmon is a young talented left fielder with a little bit of pop, speed, and flashes of fielding. Its not the Holliday or Carlos Lee that all the Braves fans want, but he could definately contribute to the Braves postseason hopes.

Also: Luke Scott would not be a bad acquisition.