Brewers, Tigers Discuss Edwin Jackson

They won't non-tender Jody Gerut. They only have 4 OF on their roster now including Gerut and no minor leaguer OF all that close.
Gerut played pretty well down the stretch last year and figures to be cheap enough to keep as 4th outfielder.

Bush's fate will depend on what they can do between now and the tender date. If they add 2 or more solid experienced starters, he's gone. If they only add one veteran, and a prospect or two, he'll likely stay. Of course that's assuming he isn't part of a deal which is also quite likely.

McClung?? They won't think twice before non-tendering him.

What chips do the Brewers have to pull off a trade for Jackson, Vazquez, or Lowe?

Oh, I thought he was slotted as their 3B next year... Interesting that he's available, definitely a solid chip.

Brewers can have Lowe for nothing....

He was slotted as their 3b next year before the emergence of McGehee. Now they seem to have the thought that his D is a little weak for 3b and his bat is a little weak for 1b. He could be tried out in a corner outfield spot though, especially if Corey Hart is used in a trade with the Braves or someone else.

The crew want to go with McGee at 3rd. I don't see the crew having interest in Lowe. I doubt they non-tender Bush or Gerut. Bush when healthy is a solid inng eater.

Personally, I'd like to see the Brewers put together a strong offer for Halladay... Gamel, Brett Lawrie, Manny Parra, Jon Lucroy, and Jake Odorizzi?

I don't see Brewers getting involved with Toronto.

Brewers have TOR starter in Gallardo, so they don't see Jackson as more than a 2. They won't deal as if he's a one no matter how much Dombrowski "markets" him.

thats laughable that anyone thinks the brewers would take Lowe unless the braves chipped in on half his deal

"Personally, I'd like to see the Brewers put together a strong offer for Halladay... Gamel, Brett Lawrie, Manny Parra, Jon Lucroy, and Jake Odorizzi?"

I think that deal would decimate the Brewers for years to come.

Essentially, that means they would have given up every solid prospect in their system for one-half season of CC Sabathia and one season of Roy Halladay, with nothing to show for it after Halladay becomes a free agent.

Brewers don't want Lowe unless Braves take back Suppan in return.

Posted by: DaveinEG | November 13, 2009 at 02:04 PM

You know, as a Braves fan I might jump at that. It would clear 2.5M off the books this year and allow the finacial flexibility to give Vazquez a nice 3 year extention from '11-'13.

From the Brewers point of view they would be getting a very quality starter for 2.5/13/15 over the next three years. Aquiring him this way would still allow them to use Gamel and others to go after a pitcher like Jackson and 10+M in salary room to add another nice FA starter.

What about an Ian Kennedy for Matt Gamel trade?

The Brewers could trade Corey hart, but in no way shape or form are they going to think about trading Lucroy in this decade, they're depleted at catcher right now and giving up a future stud for a year of any1, i dont care who it is would be a bad move.

Dave Bush is also really good from the bullpen and as a spot starter, the Brewers are not going to non-tender him.

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Clearly, rockford, only a person with no brain would suggest those deals.

WE ARE NOT TRADING FIELDER. GET OVER IT.

We don't need Curtis Granderson. However, a Gamel for Jackson swap would be good, but I know the Tigers won't do that deal. It would probably require some other prospects on our part.

That said, I think that acquiring Edwin Jackson would be a very good move on the Brewers part. He is a very good pitcher who would EASILY be our #2 pitcher. Then, if we could sign John Lackey, we would have a nasty rotation for next year.

Given, this could just be a pipe dream, but don't deny that it's possible. Jackson is still relatively cheap ($2.2 million last season) and we are freeing up quite a bit of money with trades and non-tenders and declining options.

haha yea the brewers wouldnt trade lawrie. I think that they go with lowe or jackson. And i agree with tigers22, gamel plus maybe an outfield prospect.

As a Braves fan, I'd like to see the Braves trade Lowe away, heck, if you have to pay a portion of his salary, then so be it, he's not worth another three years.

Vazquez was one of the best pitchers in the league this past year. Sure, he's in the last year of his contract, but if you keep Vazquez, then you essentially have 4 #1 starters next year.

"considering that Doc is likely to test the FA market after next season"

everything i've read is that the only way Halladay doesn't exercise his no trade clause is if he gets a long term deal from the trading team...so what makes you think he's going to test FA? he'd obviously be the cream of the crop after 2010 season but there are a lot of pitchers coming due that year and he's been relatively healthy...what is he going to prove in 2010 that he hasn't proven already that will get him paid more in FA after 2010

in fact it makes much more sense to be traded to a team so that the trading team is more or less handcuffed into offering a long term deal to Hallady or risk having the whole "1 year rental" PR nightmare of trading a ton of prospects and having him bolt

As a Tigers fan, I don't think I'd be okay with Jackson for Hart straight up. I personally think Jackson has more value, and if they do deal him I'd like to see multiple needs addressed.

Jackson for Hart, I don't think so. Hart is worst and Detroit wouldn't be gaining much with salary relief (the reason for the deal).

I say Gamel and a mid level pitching prospect for Jackson and Inge or Jackson and 1 of Willis/Robertson/Bonderman - who stink now, but in the NL could be a decent 3-4-5 pitcher...

Some of you need to be realistic... Vasquez is not THAT good. He cannot be considered a #1 since time and time again he has shown that he tends to wilt under pressure. Plus, look his career: Doesn't his record show that he can't pitch the big games? He has the stuff but apparently he can't use it consistently from one season to the next. Don't count your chickens. He may end up going back to his norm: 4.00+ ERA. Man, he's only 3 games above .500 for his entire career!

The Braves should try to trade him because it's all about what is in the club's best interest. JJ & Hanson will eventually take over the #1 and #2 spots, possibly even next year--these two have incredible poise!--so what does that leave? Hudson for #3, Lowe for #4 (which isn't bad at all is it??), and Kawakami for #5. That's one heck of a staff!

If we could get back something significant for Vasquez in LF, why not do it??

If you are thinking Lowe vs. Vasquez, they both won 15 games. Who cares what the ERA is, if they both had the same record. Then what is the point? Is it "how you do it", not "what you do"??? Even Nolan Ryan had electric stuff but he barely kept his head above water with his won-loss record!

Some guys just have it in them to win win win despite not having overwhelming stuff. Look at Tom Glavine...

pistonsfan133, NO. We already traded J.J. Hardy for Carlos Gomez to make room for Escobar to be our starting shortstop. If we traded him away, we'd be stuck with literally NOTHING at the shortstop position for next season. Not to mention, I think Alcides Escobar has more value than Edwin Jackson.

There are several players the Brewers will not trade. They are Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Yovani Gallardo, and Alcides Escobar.

"If you are thinking Lowe vs. Vasquez, they both won 15 games. Who cares what the ERA is, if they both had the same record. Then what is the point?"

proeye, I understand your point but you also have to take into account run support when looking at games won.

Lowe got 8.14 RS while Vazquez got 6.44 RS.

That's a pretty big difference, and that would make it alot easier for Lowe to equall Vaz in wins.

If I were GM I would keep Lowe and JV, trade KK, Kelly Johnson, Shaefer, and Acosta.
Iineup:
McClouth CF
Prado 1st
Chipper 3rd
McCann C
Uggla 2nd
Escobar SS
Francouer RF
Diaz LF

SP: JJ, JV, Hanson, Hudson, Lowe, (Medln)

Bullpen: Moylan, Medlin, O'Flaherty, Logan, Marek, Valdez

Setup: Moylan, O'Flaherty, (wish we could keep Gonzalez)

Closer: Soriano