Red Sox Sign Adrian Beltre

Adrian Beltre left one defense-oriented team for another today and signed with the Red Sox. When he signed a five-year $64MM deal with the Mariners in 2004, Beltre was coming off a 48 homer season. Last year, he hit just eight homers, but his well-deserved reputation as one of the game's elite defenders earned him $9MM for the upcoming season and the chance to make even more in 2011.

Beltre, 31 in April, will earn a $7MM salary in 2010, in addition to a $2MM signing bonus. He has a player option for 2011 that's worth at least $5MM and will reach $10MM if Beltre makes 640 plate appearances this season. There's also a $1MM buy-out for 2011. It's not a lot of guaranteed money, but Beltre and agent Scott Boras could lobby for a long-term deal if Beltre re-establishes his offensive value in Fenway Park this year.

Jon Heyman tweeted that Beltre was close to a deal with the Red Sox and Buster Onley tweeted some details of the agreement before Tim Brown of Yahoo tweeted that Beltre had "reached an agreement" with the Red Sox. Peter GammonsPeter Abraham, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, WEEI's Rob Bradford and Alex Speier followed up with the details.

According to the Boston Herald's John Tomase, Beltre turned down both a three-year and four-year deal in order to sign with the Red Sox. Rosenthal says Beltre turned down a pair of three-year, $24MM offers this offseason, apparently from the Phillies and A's.  We'll see if he ultimately beats that amount over 2010-12.

The Mariners obtain a supplementary rounder in next year's draft for losing Beltre, who turned down their offer of arbitration.

Ben Nicholson-Smith contributed to this post.


460 Responses to Red Sox Sign Adrian Beltre Leave a Reply

  1. billlollini 5 years ago

    Good move in my opinion. I like how these guys look in redsox unis, def the best option available and boston got him without the long term commitment and without the money annually even great managing by theo in my opinion. Now i hear that the sox are talking with the mets about a castillo- lowell swap, that would cut the sox cap this year by six million but he is owed that six million next year too. But, it most likely puts them under the cap so theo is doing his best to get the most for the money and i have no problem with that, boras is really making himself look bad recently i think though. beltre is getting 3 million less than arbitration and varitek got at least five mil less last year. Go Sox. I like the approach, defense and pitching should be stout along with pretty good pop. especially with doubles off the monster is my opinion. This team WILL be able to manufacture runs up and down the order at fenway or away.

  2. levendis 5 years ago

    yeah, this is no surprise, was bound to happen.

  3. jimbeau 5 years ago

    . . . figures. It’s a good signing but I still like Lowell. It will end up costing the team a lot more money than Beltre will see in this deal. I wonder if he’ll thrive in this market as much as Lowell has. That said, I’m no GM; it will probably end up working out as well as the Drew signing has.

  4. ronnyronron9 5 years ago

    century; all that money and you forgot to mention that that list includes the sox starting catcher as well as their #2 player off the bench in kotchman.

    If you want to compare the teams and what they spend for players you should include Posada, Tex, AROD and whoever happens to be their backup 1B next season. Otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges and wasting all of our time

    • Guest 5 years ago

      That’s kind of my point. You have two proper top 10 players manning their respective positions while the sox have multiple that ultimately outside of Youkilis are not considered consistent at those positions. I think Youk has given the impression that he would like to have one designated to him, he doesn’t care which apparently, but the merry go round of average players at high dollars is not appealing. I’m not saying this is bad for them so much on the field, for the moment, but it’s a lot bread to pay these particular guys. I understand your point about Martinez, however if he is your full time catcher, play him as the catcher. Until Varitek is gone, then Martinez is considered in my mind, as partially more money going to the infield. He is a talented player, but not nearly the best in the league. I’m just saying these are all very interesting signings this off season by Theo, and I am definitely questioning many of them. The payroll is really getting up there now and the chatter about Yanks to them or anyone else is all but gone at this point.

  5. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    “is Beltre’s defense really that much more valuable than Lowell though?”

    –Yes.

    Beltre is the best defensive 3B in baseball. ‘Nuff said.

    • strasburgsavior 5 years ago

      Erroneous.Ryan Zimmerman is the best fielding 3B in baseball. Zimmerman 2009 UZR: 18.1Beltre 2009 UZR: 14.3Better UZR, most chances in baseball, played forty more games.

    • IndianaBob 5 years ago

      Evan Longoria is slightly better on D.

  6. ronnyronron9 5 years ago

    and on top of that AROD and Tex are making closer to 50 this year. Throw in posada and two bench players of your choice (to compare to lowell and kotchman) and you have yourself a comparison

  7. We need to counter this move and sign Holliday 😉 lol

  8. fitz 5 years ago

    Can live with a one year deal though never been a Beltre fan.

  9. beltre will do fine in fenway, better park for him than the safe. It kills RH pull hitters. Plus, he is tough SOB, and will kill himself to be in the lineup everyday. He finished a game with a busted nut…nough said. As an M’s fan I hate to see him go. Good luck in Boston AB.

    • strasburgsavior 5 years ago

      .105 career BA in Fenway, although the .287 career BA away from Safeco is nice.

      • ArmchairGM 5 years ago

        According to Baseball-Reference (link to baseball-reference.com) it’s actually a .179 clip at Fenway, not that it means much. Also a relatively small sample size at 67 PA in 16 games. But it’s difficult to project statistics on a sample like that, particularly when they are all from different points in his career.

      • BentoBox 5 years ago

        To be fair, batting average isnt really the best way to judge a hitter .. but Beltre only had a .304 OBP in 2009, .327 OBP in 2008.

        • strasburgsavior 5 years ago

          Believe me, I agree with you 100%, I’m a seamhead, I love sabermetrics, but 50% of the fans out there are too stupid to understand anything but BA/ERA/W-L

  10. bjsguess 5 years ago

    Another smart move by the Red Sox. I hate saying that.

  11. strasburgsavior 5 years ago

    Just wanna point this out to all the people saying “Beltre is the best defensive third baseman in baseball”Zimmerman 2009 UZR: 18.1Beltre2009 UZR: 14.3Better UZR, most chances in baseball, played forty more games.Smart signing by the Sox though.

    • BentoBox 5 years ago

      Evan Longoria would like to say hello too –
      2008 – 119 Games/14.9 UZR
      2009 – 151 Games/18.5 UZR

      • strasburgsavior 5 years ago

        In response to that, Zimmerman’s UZR/150 is better than Longoria’s. Again, I’ll parrot that Zimmerman was put on the spot defensively more than any other third baseman in baseball. Most chances and was unbelievable in converting them even with Adam Dunn (one of the worst fielders in baseball) at first base.

  12. bravos 5 years ago

    You guys ( Red Sox) are gonna regret signing Beltre. Yes, he is a great defender but he is a minor leaguer at the plate….low power numbers and has poor disciple at the plate…
    he almost never walks. Theo should have gotten DeRosa . Come late summer you’ll see this was wasted money. Better scenario ,either DeRosa at third or Youlk on third with LaRoache on first. Sox are gonna see that Beltre is way over rated.

    • strasburgsavior 5 years ago

      Really? .287 is “minor leaguer”? So…..huh, Marky Mark, Damon, and A-Rod are “minor leaguers” then?

      • bravos 5 years ago

        Damon and ARod hit homeruns, Beltere hit eight….and he acts like taking walk is against his religion. He is just a defensive specialist, thats all….you’ll see come SEPT.
        However, with a small park like fenway he’ll do ok. All I am saying is that its a lot of money for avg. offensive skills.

        • beltre was hurt last year, and safeco suppresses RH pull hitters. i expect 25 hrs from beltre and a higher average because of balls in play just from peppering the monster.

          • tjspring 5 years ago

            Beltre hasx been a gamer in Seattle, for better or worse. He’s been postponing surgeries (thumb, wrist, shoulder) etc.. for as long as he was in an M’s uniform. Last year he was badly hurt, then came back to bust a Testicle.

            It was about as bad a contract year as a guy could have. I think he’ll have a big year and get a 3-4 year deal next offseason. The 5M option is a no-lose situation for the Sox. That said, he fouls off ALOT of balls rather than taking them. Lots of 12-pitch counts ending in a K. I know it’s helpful to exasperate a pitcher with long counts, but at some point you gotta hold the trigger and get on base.

            Defensively Boston just went from good to great, offensively they’ve improved. I can’t see this as a bad move, even if Beltre posts his average year offensively.

  13. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    thats actually a pretty good deal for the red sox IMO. no long term commitment. Beltre is a great replacement for Bay power-wise at Fenway. He also will have protection in a lineup for a change, which he never had a Safeco. I know they play different positions but offensively, they are about the same hitter. .270 hitter with 25-35 homerun power. Yes I know beltre has been below that, but I blame his environment and expectations to fill the contract, and lack of motivation. In Boston, I think this is a great call. I am by no means a Red Sox fan, but I definitely think they have made some great acquisitions offensively and defensively. Cameron=huge improvement over Bay in LF defensively. Beltre=huge improvement over Lowell defensively. Scutaro solid defensive player, neck and neck with Gonzalez and Lowrie.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Heh, speaking about motivation, the fact that Beltre turned down three-four year offers to play with the Sox definitely factors in there. Hopefully if he really wants to be here, that motivation level will shoot through the roof! Also looking at Lackey for the same thing…the only reason the Red Sox signed him was because HE was interested in THEM. Kinda neat this year, looks like some FAs are coming specifically to the Sox, which gives the team options they didn’t think they had!

  14. karatemanchan37 5 years ago

    With that fence in Fenway Beltre’s a shoo-in for comeback player of the year. It’s been a good four years you had with us Adrian, though that arse Bavasi shouldn’t have paid you that much money…but your Defense will definitely be missed

    Oh wait we signed Figgins. Never mind 😉

    • jmoff 5 years ago

      Very little to dislike about this signing. As soon as the Sox can rid themselves of Lowell’s $12m salary via some form of dump, the better they’ll be.

      Bottom line, even if Lowell & Veritek are both playing off the bench, the Red Sox are a stronger team than last year…

  15. phightinphils 5 years ago

    I’d love to point out to all of those people who said Beltre would get a 3/39MM dollar deal or somewhere in that range… What is Amaro thinking now… for not being able to grap Beltre for 1 year/9MM or 2yr/14m,

  16. bravos 5 years ago

    Dear Strasbergsavior….Damon and ARod hit homeruns, Beltere hit eight….and he acts like taking a walk is against his religion. He is just a defensive specialist, that’s all….you’ll see come SEPT.
    However, with a small park like fenway he’ll do ok. All I am saying is that its a lot of money for avg. offensive skills.

  17. bravos 5 years ago

    Totally agree….Zimmerman and Longoria are better than Beltre…..sorry look at the numbers folks !

    • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

      Technically you’re cherry pick stats… according to fangraphs Beltre had the high UZR/150. So if he had played 150 games he could have had a higher UZR. Whatever though. Ultimately getting down to the nitty gritty comparisons of defense is really going to be a matter of opinion rather than fact. I’ll just say this, the Sox got a quality defender… whether or not he’s better than Zimmerman or Longoria is going to be a matter of what team you root for.

      • strasburgsavior 5 years ago

        COULD have had a higher UZR. The fact remains is that he played less games and had a lot less chances than either Zimmerman or Longoria.

      • strasburgsavior 5 years ago

        COULD have had a higher UZR. The fact remains is that he played less games and had a lot less chances than either Zimmerman or Longoria.

  18. PhilsPhaninPhlorida 5 years ago

    So… Looks like the Red Sox and Yankees are on an even level again. Rays too…

    Yankees Red Sox Rays
    1) Gardner Ellsbury Crawford
    2) Jeter Pedroia Bartlett
    3) Teixeira V-Mart Upton
    4) A-Rod Youkalis Longoria
    5) Granderson Ortiz Pena
    6) Cano Beltre Burrell
    7) Posada JD Drew Joyce
    8) N. Johnson Cameron Zobrist
    9) Swisher Scutaro Shoppach
    Hermida
    Lowell
    Varitek

    • PhilsPhaninPhlorida 5 years ago

      Phillies fans… Chill about Beltre. Polanco is what we “needed”
      He is the perfect #2 hitter for us..

      FanGraphs 2010 Projections:

      Polanco: 581 AB / 89 R / 173 H / 10 HR / 79 RBI / 6 SB / .298

      Beltre: 544 AB / 76 R / 149 H / 23 HR / 78 RBI / 12 SB / .274

      THE HR’s can go up for Polanco, let’s not forget, when he was our 2B before Utley, he hit 17 HR’s in CBP’s 1st year…. and he hardly K’s, which is what we need…

      Rollins can steal 10-15 more bases on that fact alone, you know Polanco will work the count and allow Rollins to run wild… he helps the entire line-up. Beltre wouldn’t have had that effect… we all ready have more than enough Power already..

  19. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    So 2009 we were ready to field a team of Lugo, an injured Lowell, and Bay and ended up with one of the worst defensive teams in the majors. Now Theo has added a gold glove outfielder, gold glove third baseman, and an above average shortstop… And here I thought it was a radical philosophy shift in not trading away a guy who could steal 50 bases.

  20. andrewrickli 5 years ago

    He is gonging to get hurt, before the AS break and be out for a year, like Delgado…Red Sox are going to look back on this signing as one that was disasterous…just wait and see.

    • 0bsessions 5 years ago

      Beltre is about as likely to get hurt next season as A-Rod is. He’s signed for a single year and at relatively light money. I’m sorry, but of all of the deals Theo made this offseason, Lackey’s really the only one you can consider a risk, and that’s just because of the years.

    • ArmchairGM 5 years ago

      If for some unknown reason Beltre were to get hurt and was out for the rest of the season I still don’t see it as that much of a loss, particularly with the kind of timing you’re describing as I think Boston will be making another play at a 1B near the trade deadline.

      It’s essentially a 1 year deal for a generally well above average defensive 3B who can most likely hit decent at Fenway, despite his history. I don’t get the complete hate for this deal, it’s not going to block anyone and it vastly improves defense. What’s the major concern?

    • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

      The Mets traded for a guy with 4 years and $56M on his contract. The Red Sox just signed a a guy that will max out 2 yrs and $14M… how exactly are these similar?

  21. R_y_a_n 5 years ago

    Ugh. As a Yankee fan, I hate this deal.

    Beltre, excluding this past year when he was injured, has averaged nearly a 3.6 WAR during his time in Seattle. His average line in a horrible park for right-handed hitters, was .266/.319/.454/.773. Nothing special, but couple that in with his ridiculously good defense, he makes a pretty good player.

    Now, put him in Fenway, you can probably assume his numbers go up, at least a little bit. If Beltre can even give the line he was in Seattle from 2005-2008, at only 9 mil. this is a fantastic deal for the Red Sox. Beltre has been a very, very underrated player in this market, in my opinion.

    • Relax, Beltre will hit 12 homeruns this year. THis team was historically a “patient” team. Now between Beltre and Cameron, add 300 extra strikeouts to that, plus Pappi isn’t suddenly going to get his bat speed back. This team has significantly declined offensively, yes, there defense has improved, but they better hope for a lot of 2-1 games because there offense is going to be horrible. Think about it. J.D Drew will be on the DL by mid may early june for a paper cut. Like I said, Pappi is going to hit 220 if he is lucky. Ellsbury OBP is low 300’s which is the worst in the majors for a leadoff hitter. Everything will be ok, Sox and Rays will battlling it out for 2nd place.

    • Relax, Beltre will hit 12 homeruns this year. THis team was historically a “patient” team. Now between Beltre and Cameron, add 300 extra strikeouts to that, plus Pappi isn’t suddenly going to get his bat speed back. This team has significantly declined offensively, yes, there defense has improved, but they better hope for a lot of 2-1 games because there offense is going to be horrible. Think about it. J.D Drew will be on the DL by mid may early june for a paper cut. Like I said, Pappi is going to hit 220 if he is lucky. Ellsbury OBP is low 300’s which is the worst in the majors for a leadoff hitter. Everything will be ok, Sox and Rays will battlling it out for 2nd place.

  22. darbycrash 5 years ago

    This is a good move for Boston, it gives them a great def infield. Also Beltre has upside playing half his games at fenway.(.270 25 80)plus 40+ db 10 sb hitting 8th or 9th. It’s only a one yr 10m if they exerc. the 1m buyout. Beltre then really becomes a Fa again opening the chance for the sox to trade for an elite 1B next yr or at the deadline. I still wish the sox would sign Holliday even if that means paying the lux tax. They can raise tix prices in 2011 Sox fans will spend the money no matter what. They need another strong bat to give them more depth in their lineup in case Papi, Cameron, Drew and Beltre either get injured or don’t pan out. I also think they keep Lowell and trade Kotchman. I mean what does Castillo have left he’s can only play 2b( not well ), he’s a pinchhitter(singles)or a pinch runner with bad knees (20 out of 26) In that case should have kept Lugo at least you can stick Lugo out at ss haha. Lugo comment was a joke. Adrian Gonzo is a no brainner to me, even if it cost C.Kelly, C.Buch, and Ellsbury. (plus a few others) I would make sure in a trade this big they pry HBell too. Without another big bat all the def and Pitching will only get you the wildcard. The Yanks still look better. Add Holliday keep the prospects see and wait for the trading deadline. Plus it will give Ellsbury and Clay Buch to add value, and maybe Lars Anderson just was injured last yr. Then SD will wish they moved quicker. Also Han Ram contract ballons in 2011 I rather get him back, by then it will be time for him to switch to 3b or of. How will the sox be able to afford Beckett and Vmart after the season? I know Papi and Lowell as well as Lugo will be off the books(inc Papelbon). Beckett will want 5yr/18m per and VMart at 4/16m with an option yr. Any thoughts?

  23. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    Great deal by the Sox. Best move so far this off-season

    • Seriously, doesn’t the fact that a Boras client signed for so little clue you in that not even he, as delusional as he is, has no faith in this guy.

      • RedSox2219 5 years ago

        I wouldn’t say a one year 10 million dollar contract is “so little”

      • RedSox2219 5 years ago

        I wouldn’t say a one year 10 million dollar contract is “so little”

    • Seriously, doesn’t the fact that a Boras client signed for so little clue you in that not even he, as delusional as he is, has no faith in this guy.

  24. bobmac 5 years ago

    i don’t expect anyone to care but I think Beltre will be an ok add to the sox,Nothing drastic but a nice dude to have around.Go red.

  25. cheez13 5 years ago

    I wouldn’t say best move of the off-season but a solid move. Low risk, upgrade defensively and if he hits better than last year then its a plus because they didn’t get alot out of that spot last year. The Sox should be a better defensive team than last year for sure.

    To the Phils fan that is so happy with Polanco being a perfect #2 hitter. I don’t think he will hit #2, Victorino will stay in the 2 hole. Polanco will bat 7th.

  26. pssstHey 5 years ago

    So Beltre turned down 3 and 4 yr. deals to sign with Boston for 1 yr. at 9 mil. and an option at 5 mil. Who floated this story out there? Scott Boras? Yeah, riiiiiighttt.

    • PhilliesLoveOmar 5 years ago

      It makes sense if the contracts being offered were along the lines of 3/25MM or 4/32MM which would seem likely given the Polanco/Figgins signings and the current marketplace. Beltre from earlier reports (and previously earned salary) was looking for 10MM+ over 4 years. Given that the economy/marketplace for his services was not at that level he can now go out and prove what he’s worth and hope for a better offer next year.

      Perhaps that market isn’t there next year but it saves face for his agent and his ego.

    • PhilliesLoveOmar 5 years ago

      It makes sense if the contracts being offered were along the lines of 3/25MM or 4/32MM which would seem likely given the Polanco/Figgins signings and the current marketplace. Beltre from earlier reports (and previously earned salary) was looking for 10MM+ over 4 years. Given that the economy/marketplace for his services was not at that level he can now go out and prove what he’s worth and hope for a better offer next year.

      Perhaps that market isn’t there next year but it saves face for his agent and his ego.

  27. Assuming Beltre can continue to provide 10-15 runs above replacement at 3B, and that he can just be an average offensive player, this looks like a good move for the Red Sox; short commitment (one year) and not a ton of money ($10 million, minimum — $9 million for 2010, plus the $1 million buyout for 2011). The one thing that weirds me out about this is Beltre’s apparent insistence on including a $5 million player option for 2011. The fact that Beltre wanted that clause suggests he doesn’t have a ton of confidence in his ability to surge back to his prior level of productivity (or anything remotely approaching that level). Why would Beltre want the $5 million option for 2011 unless he was worried he might not be able to get anything better next offseason? Sort of weird.

    • ArmchairGM 5 years ago

      Actually, I’d bet it was the Red Sox that insisted that option was there to drop the AAV to $7MM for luxury tax purposes.

    • ArmchairGM 5 years ago

      Actually, I’d bet it was the Red Sox that insisted that option was there to drop the AAV to $7MM for luxury tax purposes.

    • PhilliesLoveOmar 5 years ago

      Not too strange considering he’s passing up guaranteed money in excess of $20MM. This is a security blanket in case the unthinkable happens and he gets a bad injury he doesn’t have to regret (as much) the money left on the table.

    • PhilliesLoveOmar 5 years ago

      Not too strange considering he’s passing up guaranteed money in excess of $20MM. This is a security blanket in case the unthinkable happens and he gets a bad injury he doesn’t have to regret (as much) the money left on the table.

  28. Assuming Beltre can continue to provide 10-15 runs above replacement at 3B, and that he can just be an average offensive player, this looks like a good move for the Red Sox; short commitment (one year) and not a ton of money ($10 million, minimum — $9 million for 2010, plus the $1 million buyout for 2011). The one thing that weirds me out about this is Beltre’s apparent insistence on including a $5 million player option for 2011. The fact that Beltre wanted that clause suggests he doesn’t have a ton of confidence in his ability to surge back to his prior level of productivity (or anything remotely approaching that level). Why would Beltre want the $5 million option for 2011 unless he was worried he might not be able to get anything better next offseason? Sort of weird.

  29. Thank you, thank you, Adrian looks like he’ll stay in San Diego….good news for baseball fans based on the west coast.

  30. Thank you, thank you, Adrian looks like he’ll stay in San Diego….good news for baseball fans based on the west coast.

  31. dugoutdog 5 years ago

    My guess is that the $5m option year was more the Sox than Beltre’s idea, with similar charting to their Lackey you-owe-us-a-cheap-year-if-you-get-injured clause. Under nearly every circumstance, Beltre is going to walk after one year of moonshots over the monster. However, a second-year at a discount also protects him in case he has another testicular accident, or the economy remains sluggish. Perhaps Boras’ lack of confidence in the US economy is showing…

  32. dugoutdog 5 years ago

    My guess is that the $5m option year was more the Sox than Beltre’s idea, with similar charting to their Lackey you-owe-us-a-cheap-year-if-you-get-injured clause. Under nearly every circumstance, Beltre is going to walk after one year of moonshots over the monster. However, a second-year at a discount also protects him in case he has another testicular accident, or the economy remains sluggish. Perhaps Boras’ lack of confidence in the US economy is showing…

  33. dugoutdog 5 years ago

    It’s now just a matter of where for Lowell. I hope a team like StL has their ears to the ground and can wrangle Lowell and a lot of cash from the Sox come late February. While he may almost be an AL-type third baseman who needs to DH once or twice a week, Lowell would give the Cards an amazing three-four-five behind Pujols and Hollidaysauce. Of course if he has to stay in the AL i’d expect the Angels to try and outbid Texas for him.

    • Philip Marlowe 5 years ago

      uh, wouldn’t Ludwick be batting fifth? For the record, I’d love it if the Cards got Lowell. Lee and Ramirez will put so many of those screaming line drives down the third base line, he’ll be crying for Theo to bring him back to the AL so he won’t have to field anymore.

    • Philip Marlowe 5 years ago

      uh, wouldn’t Ludwick be batting fifth? For the record, I’d love it if the Cards got Lowell. Lee and Ramirez will put so many of those screaming line drives down the third base line, he’ll be crying for Theo to bring him back to the AL so he won’t have to field anymore.

  34. dugoutdog 5 years ago

    It’s now just a matter of where for Lowell. I hope a team like StL has their ears to the ground and can wrangle Lowell and a lot of cash from the Sox come late February. While he may almost be an AL-type third baseman who needs to DH once or twice a week, Lowell would give the Cards an amazing three-four-five behind Pujols and Hollidaysauce. Of course if he has to stay in the AL i’d expect the Angels to try and outbid Texas for him.

  35. i wonder if the red sox have enough corner infielders yet……………..

  36. i wonder if the red sox have enough corner infielders yet……………..

  37. jdkladsjl 5 years ago

    Def hate boston! Im an A’s fan and this pisses me off. Knowing that the A’s were in the talks with beltre. I hope this means Miggie may be heading back to Oakland. All i can do is hope.

  38. jdkladsjl 5 years ago

    Def hate boston! Im an A’s fan and this pisses me off. Knowing that the A’s were in the talks with beltre. I hope this means Miggie may be heading back to Oakland. All i can do is hope.

  39. I wonder what the Red Sox will do with Lowell. With Beltre at 3rd and Big Papi at DH, I don’t see where he can fit in that lineup.

    • On the days Varitek is catching here is what the Red Sox are looking at for 1B, 3B, and DH: Beltre, Youkilis, V. Martinez, Kotchman, Ortiz, Lowell.

      All of those guys could be starters on a lot of teams. The Red Sox are really smart….

    • On the days Varitek is catching here is what the Red Sox are looking at for 1B, 3B, and DH: Beltre, Youkilis, V. Martinez, Kotchman, Ortiz, Lowell.

      All of those guys could be starters on a lot of teams. The Red Sox are really smart….

    • PhilliesLoveOmar 5 years ago

      The first thing to figure out is what is Lowell’s actual value? I think he’s worth more to them as a backup at 3MM (eating the 9MM) then trading him for either other garbage or to just dump 9 of the 12MM. What complicates things is that 3MM easily becomes 6MM if they are over the luxury tax. I think it depends on ownerships $$$ commitment. I wouldn’t trade him given how little he’s worth in a trade and how high his upside could be.

    • PhilliesLoveOmar 5 years ago

      The first thing to figure out is what is Lowell’s actual value? I think he’s worth more to them as a backup at 3MM (eating the 9MM) then trading him for either other garbage or to just dump 9 of the 12MM. What complicates things is that 3MM easily becomes 6MM if they are over the luxury tax. I think it depends on ownerships $$$ commitment. I wouldn’t trade him given how little he’s worth in a trade and how high his upside could be.

    • DickAlmighty 5 years ago

      Lowell fits nowhere in that lineup.

      But that’s the beauty of being Boston; you, like the Yankees, can afford to pay a guy $12 million a year to be a corner-infield backup. Red Sox fans should never complain about the Yankees “buying a World Series.” When you can afford to pay Mike Lowell $12 million for a season to ride pine, you got no right to complain.

      Also, for all of the people saying: “Another smart signing by Boston,” let’s not forget that Theo makes these smart signings (Scutaro and Beltre) to cover up dumb signings (Lugo and Lowell). He hits about .500-.600 on his transactions, which isn’t all that great for a GM with his resources.

    • DickAlmighty 5 years ago

      Lowell fits nowhere in that lineup.

      But that’s the beauty of being Boston; you, like the Yankees, can afford to pay a guy $12 million a year to be a corner-infield backup. Red Sox fans should never complain about the Yankees “buying a World Series.” When you can afford to pay Mike Lowell $12 million for a season to ride pine, you got no right to complain.

      Also, for all of the people saying: “Another smart signing by Boston,” let’s not forget that Theo makes these smart signings (Scutaro and Beltre) to cover up dumb signings (Lugo and Lowell). He hits about .500-.600 on his transactions, which isn’t all that great for a GM with his resources.

  40. I wonder what the Red Sox will do with Lowell. With Beltre at 3rd and Big Papi at DH, I don’t see where he can fit in that lineup.

  41. atlrbls 5 years ago

    Beltre signed for one year so he can have a big contract year next season. He will thrive in the sox lineup and short porch down the lines. 300 25 90 for 10 mil good snag.

  42. atlrbls 5 years ago

    Beltre signed for one year so he can have a big contract year next season. He will thrive in the sox lineup and short porch down the lines. 300 25 90 for 10 mil good snag.

  43. This means Varitek is no longer in the everyday lineup, which is good news for the sox.

    1) Ellsbury CF
    2) Pedroia 2B
    3) Youkilis 1B
    4) Martinez C
    5) Ortiz DH
    6) Beltre 3B
    7) Drew RF
    8) Cameron LF
    9) Scutaro SS

    I really hate to say it, but thats a solid lineup from top to bottom, no doubt.

    I expect the Yankees to counter this in some way.

    Either a small signing or possibly even big trade for a LF.

    • Deanezag 5 years ago

      1. Varitek was already out of the everyday lineup before this move.
      2. WHy do the Yankees have to counter? they already have a better team

      • strikethree 5 years ago

        Agreed. The Yankees need to counter… Adrian Beltre?!

        “Either a small signing or possibly even big trade for a LF.”

        They would’ve done that with or without Beltre going to Boston.

        Even if the Yanks don’t upgrade at LF, their lineup is still better than Boston’s lineup. Cameron is a good offensive weapon but not nearly as close offensively to Bay. Plus, Beltre is an average hitter when healthy. (He posted below average numbers last season)

      • strikethree 5 years ago

        Agreed. The Yankees need to counter… Adrian Beltre?!

        “Either a small signing or possibly even big trade for a LF.”

        They would’ve done that with or without Beltre going to Boston.

        Even if the Yanks don’t upgrade at LF, their lineup is still better than Boston’s lineup. Cameron is a good offensive weapon but not nearly as close offensively to Bay. Plus, Beltre is an average hitter when healthy. (He posted below average numbers last season)

    • Deanezag 5 years ago

      1. Varitek was already out of the everyday lineup before this move.
      2. WHy do the Yankees have to counter? they already have a better team

  44. This means Varitek is no longer in the everyday lineup, which is good news for the sox.

    1) Ellsbury CF
    2) Pedroia 2B
    3) Youkilis 1B
    4) Martinez C
    5) Ortiz DH
    6) Beltre 3B
    7) Drew RF
    8) Cameron LF
    9) Scutaro SS

    I really hate to say it, but thats a solid lineup from top to bottom, no doubt.

    I expect the Yankees to counter this in some way.

    Either a small signing or possibly even big trade for a LF.

  45. quintjs 5 years ago

    Lee for Lester and Lowell. hmm.

    With Lester’s contract, performance and history in Boston he is about the least likely player to be traded in baseball. Strasburg for Alex Cora is more likely.

    Lee may be the better pitcher, but Lester is easily the better value. Ask any GM if they would rather have Lee for 1 year plus 2 draft picks or Lester for the next 4 years with a club option for a 5th (cheap club optiont too). 31 out of the 30gms would take Lester.

    John Farrell spoke in an organsation meeting in 2007 before Lester annouced himself that he was against trading Lester for Santana for crying out loud.

    Beltre signing has nothing to do with Gonzalez. If the Sox can sign Beltre as an upgrade over Lowell I am pretty sure they can and would trade for Gonzalez to force out Ortiz or something. Ortiz is gone after this year anyway. And Gonzalez won’t be traded until mid-year at the earliest. Pretty sure the Sox can go 2 months with Martinez/ Gonzalez/ Youkilis/ Ortiz/ Beltre – plus one of those players would probably be traded away to clear room for Gonzalez. Nothing to stop the Sox bring in Gonzalez and shipping Ortiz off to another AL team looking for a DH boost down the stretch.

    To me, this seems like a value all around signing for the Red Sox. Sign the guy to an affordable deal, have him play great defense, hopefully provide some work with the bat, he leaves, collect draft pick(s).

    • RahZid 5 years ago

      Actually there is something stopping the Sox from trading Ortiz, his 10-5 rights.

      • Or the thing preventing a Papi trade is he has vitually zero value to anyone else. Sox fans turn a blind eye to his previous indiscressions with cheating and think he did it in Miiny (hitting 18 hr’s/year) and not Boston (40 hr’s/year).

        Reading posts from Sox fans thinking Papi can “get back to 35-120″ are laughable. We are witnessing the difference between old players that were on junk still being great (see Clemens, Bonds) and those that are old and now off hte junk (see Papi, Giambi). Once off drugs, these guys dont age well.

        Poor Papi.. Papi, did you use PED’s???….. “me no understanda da english”.

        • RahZid 5 years ago

          You are aware that he finished the season with 28 HR’s and 99 RBI right? Almost all of that was done after June 1st last season, if he’s able to hit like he did after June 1st for next season, 35HR’s and 120 RBI are not out of teh question, although I personally feel like he will be closer to 30-100 if he’s playing full time. Personally I don’t see Papi playing much against lefties next year.

    • RahZid 5 years ago

      Actually there is something stopping the Sox from trading Ortiz, his 10-5 rights.

  46. quintjs 5 years ago

    Lee for Lester and Lowell. hmm.

    With Lester’s contract, performance and history in Boston he is about the least likely player to be traded in baseball. Strasburg for Alex Cora is more likely.

    Lee may be the better pitcher, but Lester is easily the better value. Ask any GM if they would rather have Lee for 1 year plus 2 draft picks or Lester for the next 4 years with a club option for a 5th (cheap club optiont too). 31 out of the 30gms would take Lester.

    John Farrell spoke in an organsation meeting in 2007 before Lester annouced himself that he was against trading Lester for Santana for crying out loud.

    Beltre signing has nothing to do with Gonzalez. If the Sox can sign Beltre as an upgrade over Lowell I am pretty sure they can and would trade for Gonzalez to force out Ortiz or something. Ortiz is gone after this year anyway. And Gonzalez won’t be traded until mid-year at the earliest. Pretty sure the Sox can go 2 months with Martinez/ Gonzalez/ Youkilis/ Ortiz/ Beltre – plus one of those players would probably be traded away to clear room for Gonzalez. Nothing to stop the Sox bring in Gonzalez and shipping Ortiz off to another AL team looking for a DH boost down the stretch.

    To me, this seems like a value all around signing for the Red Sox. Sign the guy to an affordable deal, have him play great defense, hopefully provide some work with the bat, he leaves, collect draft pick(s).

  47. ronnyronron9 5 years ago

    RosterbatorExtaordinaire;

    That was a huge waste of your time. Lester would be a part of no deal unless the sox were getting a top ten player in baseball who was affordable for at least as many years as he is.

    I did like your logic about A Gonzalez. You did well removing teams from the equation for various reasons. However, with that trade proposal for Lee, I wonder if you only came to the mariners conclusion b/c of your clear bias towards your team.

    dream on

  48. ronnyronron9 5 years ago

    RosterbatorExtaordinaire;

    That was a huge waste of your time. Lester would be a part of no deal unless the sox were getting a top ten player in baseball who was affordable for at least as many years as he is.

    I did like your logic about A Gonzalez. You did well removing teams from the equation for various reasons. However, with that trade proposal for Lee, I wonder if you only came to the mariners conclusion b/c of your clear bias towards your team.

    dream on

  49. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    I still don’t see where the Sox expect to pick up Bay’s lost production. And Ortiz is clearly declining – his early slump last year could well be repeated or worse.

    The Sox have improved their rotation, but taken a blow to the offense. This Beltre deal appears like a half-measure.

    • msisto 5 years ago

      A full season of Victor, a better hitting SS, all-around better team defense and an improved pitching staff can go a long way. It’s not sexy, but run prevention is just as crucial as run production.

      • TwinsVet 5 years ago

        Sure. I’m not saying they’re going to be a worse team, just that their runs-per-game will probably decline.

        Losing a marquee player like Bay and responding by picking up two less-than-premiere bats in Cameron and Beltre doesn’t seem particularly inspiring if I’m a Boston fan. Take away the Lackey signing, and you’d have to say it’s a pretty poor offseason for Theo.

        • msisto 5 years ago

          But….They DID sign Lackey. You can’t judge an offseason on a pretend scenarios.

          • TwinsVet 5 years ago

            Fair enough. But I’d like their offseason a whole lot better if they weren’t one move away from having a poor one.

          • msisto 5 years ago

            I am most interested in how the trade deadline pans out. They didn’t part with anyone valuable, made many key prospects expendable, and acquired picks. We wont be able to really fairly grade this off-season until the middle of the summer. Of course based on player performance, but also on the moves they make and/or don’t make.

  50. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    I still don’t see where the Sox expect to pick up Bay’s lost production. And Ortiz is clearly declining – his early slump last year could well be repeated or worse.

    The Sox have improved their rotation, but taken a blow to the offense. This Beltre deal appears like a half-measure.

  51. Nice deal for the Red Sox. Beltre has a lot of upside at this price and (for the Red Sox anyway) limited downside cost. Beltre should do well at Fenway and build a case for the 3/45 or 4/48 deal he wants in 2011.

    It’s nice when there’s a win-win deal in the mix.

  52. CherryValley 5 years ago

    c’mon lets get serious here red sox fans…the best thing the sox did was sign lackey…but losing your best hr and rbi guy and replacing him with old man cameron and his 150k’s and past his roided prime adrian beltre, not to mention a tiny guy who had his career year at shortstop at 34 or 35…and you think you’re going to the ws ?

    you can throw out all the WAR and UZR numbers you want but this team doesnt have one scary hitter and if not for the utter domination of teams like baltimore (i think they only lost to them 3 times last year!!) this team couldnt sniff 90 wins even with the aces on the mound…

    every starter with the exception of ellsbury and pedroia is over the age or 30 and in some cases pushing 35….this team will compete until the end because they can pound away at the likes of the orioles but in september, if a team like the mariners or rays and rangers can step it up, the only thing these creaky sox will be doing in october is applying for social security

    • You may want to take a gander at Bay’s K numbers for last year and Lowell’s UZR.

    • You may want to take a gander at Bay’s K numbers for last year and Lowell’s UZR.

  53. Oh what a difference it is to be a mid-small market fan. If the A’s or Twins would have signed Beltre to this deal it would have been the biggest move of their off season. But since it was the Red Sox, we can all sit around talking about how it is a “bargin” and try to figure out what they are going to do with their other former All Star 3rd baseman that they owe $12 mil to.

    So the Sox developed 2 starters (Bucholtz and Lester) and 2 starting postion players (Ellsbury and Pedroia) out of their farm system. And we are supposed to believe that they are somehow different than then the Evil Empire? I don’t buy it.

    • LTDm206 5 years ago

      You are forgetting about Youkilis. Also, Papelbon, Bard, Delcarmen, Masterson, Buccholz, and Lowrie.

      • My bad on Youk.

        But I was talking about starters, maybe Pap-boner should be included… but Delcarman and Lowrie? come on. Dime a dozen.

        And Masterson doesn’t count anymore. He plays for Cleveland.

      • TheReal1231 5 years ago

        Isn’t Masterson in Cleveland?

    • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

      Don’t forget about Youk and the bullpen of Papelbon, Bard, and Delcarmen when mentioning homegrown players RYAN! Lester, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Youk, Pedroia, and Papelbon are six hometown studs I would like any other team to match

    • RedSoxDynasty 5 years ago

      Don’t forget about Youk and the bullpen of Papelbon, Bard, and Delcarmen when mentioning homegrown players RYAN! Lester, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Youk, Pedroia, and Papelbon are six hometown studs I would like any other team to match

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Yup. You’re right, the Red Sox have a lot of similarities to the Yankees; it’s a big difference from the Twins/A’s and the Sox, I agree. There still is a big difference between the Sox and Yanks, even if it is on a higher level though; while they both have the capability to go out and buy up the best FAs on the market each year, there is a difference between what the Yanks did last year, when they bought up three best FAs for over 400m, where, while they all did make sense, it was still admittedly a bit overkill. What of course bugged me most about it was the Teixeira deal, with Cashman basically guaranteeing they were out of that race, and then nabbing him for only a couple mm more than the Sox offered (there’s that similarity again though! The Sox were number 2 bidder, still big-market!). They just threw all their money at Sabathia and saw how much stuck, and then Burnett was almost an afterthought; “hey, we could use another pitcher. Hey look, this guy’s pretty good and he’s still available. Lets throw 5 years at him!”

      Now. What I see different in the Sox’s offseason this year (in fact even the Yankees are being pretty tame) is that they knew their problems, and yet went with the flow of the market, not getting sucked into a deal with a lot of cash just because that seemed like the obvious choice. What I see as differences: Red Sox let Bay go. When was the last time the Yankees let any player coming off that kind of year go? Damon and Matsui had decent years but they were both old and fragile (besides Damon might still return). There were good reasons to let them go. Bay, whatever his faults, is a player deserving of at least those 4 years, 60m. What I see as the difference is the Yankees will spend whatever they have to to get that player they want (Sabathia). The Sox will stick to their guns, unless its a player they really feel will make a BIG difference (they raised their bid on Teixeira…of course look what that got them). Damon, Pedro, and Bay…all guys Epstein traded or let go because they wanted too much. The only reason Lackey and Beltre signed: they were willing to take down their price to sign with Boston. So while the Red Sox this year are working with the players that were interested in Boston, and letting go the player that clearly preferred the cash over the team, the Yankees give their players whatever they want so they’ll play for New York.

      I dunno. It’s a subtle difference. I like the Red Sox style better because it’s more of a team that prefers loyalty, and guys who will be reasonable in their dealings. They won’t sell out and pay whatever is necessary to get that one player. I don’t care who you are, one player doesn’t make a team. How much did Mauer help the Twins? The Yankees got ARod, that seemed like the last nail in the coffin for the Sox…then the Sox won two World Series before the Yanks got one. The Yankees, as proved with ARod, Sabathia, Teixeira….will pay out the nose for that one special guy.

      Hmmm. That was one LONG rambling post that didn’t really make much of a point….

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Yup. You’re right, the Red Sox have a lot of similarities to the Yankees; it’s a big difference from the Twins/A’s and the Sox, I agree. There still is a big difference between the Sox and Yanks, even if it is on a higher level though; while they both have the capability to go out and buy up the best FAs on the market each year, there is a difference between what the Yanks did last year, when they bought up three best FAs for over 400m, where, while they all did make sense, it was still admittedly a bit overkill. What of course bugged me most about it was the Teixeira deal, with Cashman basically guaranteeing they were out of that race, and then nabbing him for only a couple mm more than the Sox offered (there’s that similarity again though! The Sox were number 2 bidder, still big-market!). They just threw all their money at Sabathia and saw how much stuck, and then Burnett was almost an afterthought; “hey, we could use another pitcher. Hey look, this guy’s pretty good and he’s still available. Lets throw 5 years at him!”

      Now. What I see different in the Sox’s offseason this year (in fact even the Yankees are being pretty tame) is that they knew their problems, and yet went with the flow of the market, not getting sucked into a deal with a lot of cash just because that seemed like the obvious choice. What I see as differences: Red Sox let Bay go. When was the last time the Yankees let any player coming off that kind of year go? Damon and Matsui had decent years but they were both old and fragile (besides Damon might still return). There were good reasons to let them go. Bay, whatever his faults, is a player deserving of at least those 4 years, 60m. What I see as the difference is the Yankees will spend whatever they have to to get that player they want (Sabathia). The Sox will stick to their guns, unless its a player they really feel will make a BIG difference (they raised their bid on Teixeira…of course look what that got them). Damon, Pedro, and Bay…all guys Epstein traded or let go because they wanted too much. The only reason Lackey and Beltre signed: they were willing to take down their price to sign with Boston. So while the Red Sox this year are working with the players that were interested in Boston, and letting go the player that clearly preferred the cash over the team, the Yankees give their players whatever they want so they’ll play for New York.

      I dunno. It’s a subtle difference. I like the Red Sox style better because it’s more of a team that prefers loyalty, and guys who will be reasonable in their dealings. They won’t sell out and pay whatever is necessary to get that one player. I don’t care who you are, one player doesn’t make a team. How much did Mauer help the Twins? The Yankees got ARod, that seemed like the last nail in the coffin for the Sox…then the Sox won two World Series before the Yanks got one. The Yankees, as proved with ARod, Sabathia, Teixeira….will pay out the nose for that one special guy.

      Hmmm. That was one LONG rambling post that didn’t really make much of a point….

  54. hawkny1 5 years ago

    Good move Theo. Now, if Scutaro can make all the plays at SS, especially to his left, the Sox are much stronger in ther infield, defensively, than in 2009. This includes the catcher’s position with v-Mart behind the plate. Likewise, the subtraction of Bay and Baldelli, and the addition of Hermida and Cameron adds speed, defense and, IMHO, better OF hitting, overall, than last year. Contrary to some, I view Hermida as the regular LF’er with Cameron filling the role of every outfielder’s back up. Mike should get 350-400 ab’s baring serious injury to himself or to the other OF starters. Together, Hermida/Cameron should exceed the 2009 output of the Bay/Baldelli tandem both offensively and defensively. The only area left to be dealt with now is middle inning/late inning relief. At least one more strong reliever, perhaps a hard throwing lefty, will make the 2010 roster complete. Barring the impact of injuries, next year’s edition of the Sox can and should win at least 100 games, including a majority against TEE.

  55. I guess their line up would look like this

    CF- Jacoby Ellsbury
    2B- Dustin Peodria
    1B- Kevin Youkilis
    DH- David Ortiz
    3B- Adrian Beltre
    C- Victor Martinez
    LF- Mike Cameron
    RF- J.D. Drew
    SS- Marco Scutaro

    • Fenwaywalkoff 5 years ago

      Do you think that Cameron will start in left fully or will Hermida start there and have Cameron the back-up and guy to rest the outfielders

      • metsarebeast 5 years ago

        I think Big Papi should come off the bench have hermida start in left and cameron ur dh and have castillo pinch run

        GO METS AND RANGERS

      • metsarebeast 5 years ago

        I think Big Papi should come off the bench have hermida start in left and cameron ur dh and have castillo pinch run

        GO METS AND RANGERS

    • i don’t see Papi and his .230 average in the 4 hole anymore…this isnt his drug induced days….the man is old and his declining bat speed and hand eye coordination are sure to keep him out of the 4 spot….

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    • Hannibal_Lester 5 years ago

      This is more likely:

      LF – Jacoby Ellsbury – L
      2B – Dustin Pedroia – R
      C- Victor Martinez – S
      1B – Kevin Youkilis – R
      DH – David Ortiz – L
      3B – Adrian Beltre – R
      RF – JD Drew – L
      CF – Mike Cameron – R
      SS – Marco Scutaro – R

      I could see Cameron and Beltre switching places, and obviously the lineup would be much different against lefties, with perhaps Ortiz on the bench and Lowell or Hermida taking his spot.

    • Hannibal_Lester 5 years ago

      This is more likely:

      LF – Jacoby Ellsbury – L
      2B – Dustin Pedroia – R
      C- Victor Martinez – S
      1B – Kevin Youkilis – R
      DH – David Ortiz – L
      3B – Adrian Beltre – R
      RF – JD Drew – L
      CF – Mike Cameron – R
      SS – Marco Scutaro – R

      I could see Cameron and Beltre switching places, and obviously the lineup would be much different against lefties, with perhaps Ortiz on the bench and Lowell or Hermida taking his spot.

  56. JerseyJohn32190 5 years ago

    The Sox seem to be going in a different direction this year, building their team around pitching and defense. They let Bay walk to bring in Cameron, who is a defensive upgrade while being a slight downgrade offensively, they signed Lackey who is probably the best #3 starter in the league, and now they brought in one of the best defensive third baseman in baseball. Contrary to what most people think, Beltre put up some decent numbers while playing half his games in a pitcher park in Safeco. Now that he has the Monster in left for half his games, I could see something like .270/.330/.470 from him.

    • Super_Hero 5 years ago

      Cameron is more than a slight downgrade offensively to Bay. Men lie, women lie, Numbers don’t.

      Cameron is more like A BIG DOWNGRADE OFFENSIVELY.

  57. m26 5 years ago

    Why would the Phillies offer Beltre that contract when they just signed Polanco?

    • Dylan 5 years ago

      it was obviously before the Polanco signing. Phillies were all about Beltre in the beginning of December, but was too pricey. It makes sense hearing this now.

  58. m26 5 years ago

    Why would the Phillies offer Beltre that contract when they just signed Polanco?

  59. 55saveslives 5 years ago

    Who is Stephen Neal?? You mean THOMAS Neal?…umm NO we aren’t going to trade an upcoming star under team control for a broken down / overpaid grandpa

  60. 55saveslives 5 years ago

    Who is Stephen Neal?? You mean THOMAS Neal?…umm NO we aren’t going to trade an upcoming star under team control for a broken down / overpaid grandpa

  61. RahZid 5 years ago

    A minor correction to Rosenthal’s article, if Beltre declines the club option, the Sox would be charged $3M for luxury tax purposes in 2011, not the $2M Rosenthal states. This is because the Sox would also be charged for the $1M buyout.

    Overall the article is certainly a good read though.

  62. RahZid 5 years ago

    A minor correction to Rosenthal’s article, if Beltre declines the club option, the Sox would be charged $3M for luxury tax purposes in 2011, not the $2M Rosenthal states. This is because the Sox would also be charged for the $1M buyout.

    Overall the article is certainly a good read though.

  63. msisto 5 years ago

    Wow.

  64. msisto 5 years ago

    Wow.

  65. bigpupp 5 years ago

    Sox scored the 3rd most runs in the AL last season, and were 55 runs better than the 4th best team. This season they will be getting a full season of Martinez and Scutaro (not to mention that Beltre is a better hitter than Lowell on nuetral sites). Needless to say, they are still a top 3 offensive team, but are now probably the best defensive and pitching team in MLB.

  66. bigpupp 5 years ago

    Sox scored the 3rd most runs in the AL last season, and were 55 runs better than the 4th best team. This season they will be getting a full season of Martinez and Scutaro (not to mention that Beltre is a better hitter than Lowell on nuetral sites). Needless to say, they are still a top 3 offensive team, but are now probably the best defensive and pitching team in MLB.

  67. LawUSA87 5 years ago

    I like this move perhaps because it is another low risk high reward type deal and at the very least he is a huge defensive upgrade over Lowell.

  68. LawUSA87 5 years ago

    I like this move perhaps because it is another low risk high reward type deal and at the very least he is a huge defensive upgrade over Lowell.

  69. Maybe someday you’ll respect the game of baseball and realize it’s not just about hitting home runs.

    This deal, whether people like it or not, was an upgrade.

  70. Maybe someday you’ll respect the game of baseball and realize it’s not just about hitting home runs.

    This deal, whether people like it or not, was an upgrade.

  71. Roy Munson 5 years ago

    How many guys will the red sox be paying this year for guys to play 3B/SS this yearMY count is 4 – Mike Lowell 13M, Adrian Beltre 9M, Julio Lugio9M, Scutarro 3M

    • And all of them combine for less than Jeter/Arod… what does that say?

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        That quality wins over quantity? Collectively, can you depend on 35-40 hrs from Lowell and/or Beltre?

  72. Guest 5 years ago

    As someone so aptly pointed out at the Boston Globe, the Red Sox have successfully created a $180mm version of the Minnesota Twins, only the twins have one or two potential HOF’s including several all stars. And let’s not forget many of them are young and in their primes. The Red Sox were successful in signing a bunch of over 30 players.

    Not a single move by the Red Sox this offseason makes one iota of sense. They’ve improved only defensively, but as we’ve all seen on the Yanks, shoot even look at Matt Holiday’s dropped ball in the playoffs, even the proven players make catastrophic plays that effect a season in one game. Defensive in my opinion is overrated.

    Sorry, but I am just telling it, like it is.

    • So you think the Twins have a pitching staff that as good as Boston’s? Interesting.

    • LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL…. all i can say to that. Dumbest post in MLBTR history!

    • ilikebaseball 5 years ago

      Actually, you’re telling it like you think it is. There’s a difference.

  73. Guest 5 years ago

    As someone so aptly pointed out at the Boston Globe, the Red Sox have successfully created a $180mm version of the Minnesota Twins, only the twins have one or two potential HOF’s including several all stars. And let’s not forget many of them are young and in their primes. The Red Sox were successful in signing a bunch of over 30 players.

    Not a single move by the Red Sox this offseason makes one iota of sense. They’ve improved only defensively, but as we’ve all seen on the Yanks, shoot even look at Matt Holiday’s dropped ball in the playoffs, even the proven players make catastrophic plays that effect a season in one game. Defensive in my opinion is overrated.

    Sorry, but I am just telling it, like it is.

  74. Russell210 5 years ago

    This is great news for Yankee fans. The failure to sign an impact hitter of the Red Sox. Instead they are replacing the production of Bay with an overrated Beltre to possibly 2 years at 20 million. Total win for the Yankees.

    • ? and which Yankees outfielder do you think will hit better than .255/.390/.480 this season? And thats an overstatement for a scrub like Gardner…. I am not even going to begin to try to argue with someone who would say something this dumb…. Tim, Any way we can like moderate stupidity as well as vulgarity? I mean… Bay and Beltre first of all have NOTHING to do with each other… Beltre is replacing Lowell… Cameron could wind up being an upgrade over Bay in many offensive categories including average and stolen bases (as well as maintaining a nice high strikeout rate, but hey everyone has flaws).

      Beltre is an enormous upgrade over an injured Lowell, and I think you will all be eating your words when he puts up a line of .275/.390/.500 with stellar D… He’s playing for a contract in a hitters ballpark… Common sense there.

      Lackey is an enormous upgrade who takes a lot of pressure off Dice-K, Wake and Buchholz… nuff said.

      Scutaro is another big upgrade over injured Lowrie or Alex Gonzalez (though AGon’s glove is real nice). He may struggle a bit since hes a gap hitter, but if he can figure out how to drive the ball to the deep parts of center field in Fenway and pull balls off the Monster, he will be fine. Either way Upgrade…. This team is exponentially better than last year and I am willing to put 100 bucks down against anyone with a paypal account that they are 100 game winners this year. A dollar a win. Whatcha say?

      • Russell210 5 years ago

        I disagree. Beltre was never much of a threat. Adrian Beltre has been getting on base at a .300-.320 clip. That is terrible. A .255 hitter with a .304 on base percentage? $20 million for that? Hah! He provides defense and the occasional homerun, totally not worth the money he was paid. Theo once again fails to deliver.

        Brett Gardner isn’t costing the Yankees Mike Cameron money. He provides stellar defense and if he can get on base at the Cameron clip (.330-.340, which is definitely achievable) then there is no reason why he can’t be just as much of an asset. The Yankees have gotten younger and still maintain to be better.

        For pitching we have dice-k the walk machine who hates Boston, a 9 million year old Wakefield coming off an injury season, the Bucholz that was supposed to shine but then stole someones laptop and got put in detention, a good Lackey, and a Beckett which is going to cost big bucks to keep around. Oh yea, that sounds like a promising future.

        Congrats on breaking the luxury tax threshold! Think the Sox will still claim poverty? Or continue to be roided underdogs?

        You’re delusional. Pretty boys like waxed-eyebrow Ellsbury or Nancy Drew over there in right can’t save this team.

        • LOL. Ok. let me go 1 by 1 for this. Because something tells me this is going to be a long post to educate an uneducated fan.

          1. Beltre’s stats – Beltre has hit well when he did not play at Safeco. His stats are quite skewed and his lifetime line got distorted by that. He will get back up to the .360+ OBP at Fenway especially with one of the better hitting coaches in the game working with him and the patience of guys like Youk and Drew rubbing off on him. Not to mention that you are insulting a 1 year deal? LOL LOL LOL… for 9MM for the best defensive third baseman arguably of all time? Thats a joke… right?

          2. Gardner? You are really going to argue this point? Once again a GREAT move by Theo for a guy with some pop playing outstanding defense… Again, one of the great CF of all time in Cameron… I don’t quite understand your argument. Ellsbury is your comparison to Gardner. They are the left fielders. If you were educated and did a little reading you would understand that.

          3. Pitching…. OK REALLY? Now you are just making yourself look dumb. You are telling me that Sabathia, Burnett, Pettite, Vazquez, Gaudin/Chaimberlain is better than Beckett, Lester, Lackey, Dice-K, Wake/Buchholz? Are you smoking crack? Please share. Burnett is on and off. Pettite has never really been better than a 4.00 era guy in the AL… Chaimberlain sucks as a starter and most scouts feel his control will never come around, he belongs in the pen and will go down as Cashman’s biggest screwup of a player… and he’s had a few, and Gaudin/Mitre ect… is laughable.

          3. Likely, the Sox will slightly pass the luxury tax threshold. However the Yankees have 20 something identified steroid users while the Sox have POTENTIALLY what? 4-6? None of which were being tipped off by Fehr… So if you want to go the steroid route, where do you want to start? Clemens? Knoblauch? A-Rod? Giambi? All of whom used steroids for a good part of their careers while with the Yankees. FYI even McNamee (whos a douche, but I don’t think he’s a liar) says that his suspected use started with the Jays and ended a few years in with the Yanks. You don’t want to start this argument unless you want to bash your own team.

          4. Pretty Boys- This coming from a team that forces all of its players to shave its facial hair? And wouldn’t sign Manny Ramirez because they didn’t like his look with his dreads n such that he refused to cut? Sox meanwhile had the whole cowboy up thing goin on as well as almost half the team wearing constant facial hair and being the furthest things from pretty boys you could ask for… And since when is one of the most rugged players in baseball (jd drew) a pretty boy? I’d like to know where you came up with that one… I dont get it.

          Talk about delusion…. I dont even have it in me to argue with someone who would dare write things so dumb with their name on it…. Ouch.

          • Russell210 5 years ago

            I have clearly upset you tot he point that you are delusional. No comment.

          • About which part am I wrong? please tell me? about Beltre’s great team friendly contract? about the Yankees inferior and quite probably not even top 5 pitching staff? or about the Yankees forcing all of their players to be pretty boys? which parts am I wrong about? This site is about arguing, and you have yet to make a valid point since your first post… all i’m asking for is one.

          • BaseballFan0707 5 years ago

            If we’re talking in terms of injury risk, then the Sox are in trouble, since Lackey and Dice K have both had injury problems recently. Buccholz is unproven, as well.The Yankees do have one of the better rotations in the league, and yes, I would say Top 5. Recall that Vazquez pitched with an injury, causing his numbers to sag, when he was last with the Yanks. In fact, since that time, he has never posted a FIP above 4.06, and his FIP has more or less been on the decline since then.However, the Red Sox also have a top 5 rotation as well, PROVIDED that Buccholz pans out and Lackey stays healthy. Dice-K is a 5-inning pitcher that gets out of the game before any damage can be done to him. But when you have Lester-Beckett-Lackey going 1-2-3, you have a top 5 rotation. I think you’re being a bit unfair to the Yanks’s pitching staff.A-Rod did not use steroids with the Yankees. He used them with the Rangers. I’m not defending steroids, but if you are going to make a claim, don’t make a false one. And don’t sit there and tell me that’s what they want you to believe, because, unless you can show me a legit report saying that A-Rod has done them during his tenure with the Yanks, you cannot make that claim.

            And, to be honest, the whole clean-cut rule the Yanks have does not make their players pretty boys. Catholic High Schools all forbid facial hair. Does that make all of those boys “pretty boys?” It’s simply a rule that the Yanks see as important.

          • Lol by the same standard keep in mind our entire staff except lester was hurt last year… Truth be told, so what? Our entire staff pitched better hurt then vazquez and he stuggled the same with the chisox and more with the dbacks the following year (2005?)

            Dice-k from all reports is in better shape than he’s ever been and finished last year with an era lower than 3 in his final 5 or 6 starts or whatever while wake was an allstar in the first half.

            Buchholz finished the season with something like 11 of his last 13 qs… I’d say that’s pretty proven that he at least has what it takes to be the best #5 pitcher in baseball next season.

            You don’t win on paper, that’s for sure, but on paper there’s no one whod argue the Sox have the best rotation in baseball going into next year.

            Becketts on a contract year and when healthy last year he was top 3 in baseball. If he can stay healthy as he did in 07, he’s an elite starter with some of the best stuff in baseball. His curveball was awful in the 2nd half last year due to awful blisters. Beckett just doesn’t accept any excuses for himself. Lackey is a winner above all else. Even when he’s not that great he finds a way to win as he has put up a winning record every year.

          • Lol by the same standard keep in mind our entire staff except lester was hurt last year… Truth be told, so what? Our entire staff pitched better hurt then vazquez and he stuggled the same with the chisox and more with the dbacks the following year (2005?)

            Dice-k from all reports is in better shape than he’s ever been and finished last year with an era lower than 3 in his final 5 or 6 starts or whatever while wake was an allstar in the first half.

            Buchholz finished the season with something like 11 of his last 13 qs… I’d say that’s pretty proven that he at least has what it takes to be the best #5 pitcher in baseball next season.

            You don’t win on paper, that’s for sure, but on paper there’s no one whod argue the Sox have the best rotation in baseball going into next year.

            Becketts on a contract year and when healthy last year he was top 3 in baseball. If he can stay healthy as he did in 07, he’s an elite starter with some of the best stuff in baseball. His curveball was awful in the 2nd half last year due to awful blisters. Beckett just doesn’t accept any excuses for himself. Lackey is a winner above all else. Even when he’s not that great he finds a way to win as he has put up a winning record every year.

          • What part of shaving facial hair is not “pretty boy” while keeping beards and being rugged as all hell does make them “pretty boys” thats all i’m saying.

          • What part of shaving facial hair is not “pretty boy” while keeping beards and being rugged as all hell does make them “pretty boys” thats all i’m saying.

      • skoods 5 years ago

        .255/.390/.480 sounds like a pretty decent line to me.

      • Super_Hero 5 years ago

        “Cameron could wind up being an upgrade over Bay in many offensive categories including average and stolen bases…..”

        LOLOLOL, there is no comparing Cameron and Bay. Cameron has better D but thats it, now cut it out. Did you know Bay had 13SB to Camerons 7SB? wts, Bay won’t be asked to run. Cameron can’t get on base to run. Cameron has a career .250 Avg. Bay, .280. Cameron never had a higher Avg then Bay in his career. What makes you think Cameron at 37 will all-of-sudden have better offensive numbers than Bay? There is a reason why Cameron is available every offseason.

        lol u are too funny

        • Bay usually does not hit .280… First of all. He’s usually around .260 in recent years. Secondly cameron can steal 20 if given chances and hit 20 homers. I’m saying “in some categories” I don’t mean overall

          • Super_Hero 5 years ago

            Definitly not ones that count. the only offensive numbers. the only stat Cameron can be better at is 2B, 3B and SB (not last yr). what makes you think he didn’t have the chance to steal more than 7 last yr? With the space out at Citi, Bay HR will decrease but his Doubles will increase. So i’m not sure about that stat. Bottom line, Cameron is not an impact with his bat. I’ve seen him play. He will hit the cheapest 20 Hr you will ever see, most will be solo. He is no threat. not even on the base-pads.

          • you are taking this the same as when I said I dont like the Yanks signing of Sabathia.

            I am saying that Cameron has the “potential” to outplay Bay in many offensive categories and you named all of them except batting average.

            I love Bay. He did great things for us. But Cameron at 2 years or Bay at 5? I’ll take Cameron any day of the week. I do NOT think that Cameron is a better offensive player than Bay overall, and I never said so.

          • you are taking this the same as when I said I dont like the Yanks signing of Sabathia.

            I am saying that Cameron has the “potential” to outplay Bay in many offensive categories and you named all of them except batting average.

            I love Bay. He did great things for us. But Cameron at 2 years or Bay at 5? I’ll take Cameron any day of the week. I do NOT think that Cameron is a better offensive player than Bay overall, and I never said so.

          • Super_Hero 5 years ago

            Definitly not ones that count. the only offensive numbers. the only stat Cameron can be better at is 2B, 3B and SB (not last yr). what makes you think he didn’t have the chance to steal more than 7 last yr? With the space out at Citi, Bay HR will decrease but his Doubles will increase. So i’m not sure about that stat. Bottom line, Cameron is not an impact with his bat. I’ve seen him play. He will hit the cheapest 20 Hr you will ever see, most will be solo. He is no threat. not even on the base-pads.

          • TradeYouk 5 years ago

            Bay has hit under 280 only once in his career before last year, and that was his 1 terrible season where he was playing through injuries.

          • And you think he will replicate those numbers in CitiField? Because I can name 10 well respected analysts who would disagree with you. he also hit a career high homers in Fenway… If anything, a righty pull hitter’s average should go UP at a park like Fenway, not down. This speaks nothing of the knee, quad and shoulder concerns that kept every team except the Mets and Sox away from Jason Bay…

            Once again, I love the guy and the Mets are my NL team. I’m simply saying on a 5 year deal, 16MM a season seems pretty steep for a guy who can hit between .250 and .280. To his credit, he has developed much better plate patience in the past 2 years being around guys like Youk and Drew, but the same will hold true for Beltre and Cameron. I’m saying the skill doesn’t warrant the deal that was desired.

          • TradeYouk 5 years ago

            Bay was always a patient hitter. He had 3 100 walk seasons before last season and 2 seasons of OBPs higher than last years. Youk and Drew had no impact on Bay’s approach.

            It probably helped his walk total that pitchers were never afraid of the person batting behind Bay, but hanging out with Youk probably did not.

          • Bay averaged almost 2 pitches more per at bat last season last I checked. Check your stats.

          • TradeYouk 5 years ago

            Let’s pretend for a second you are correct and he took more pitches than ever this year. It did not result in his highest season OBP and only resulted in 10 more walks than his career high. That is negligible difference. Now let’s look to see if you are actually Correct. Jason Bay Pitches Per Plate Appearance for his career:

            2009- 3.99
            2008 with Pitt- 4.14
            2008 with Bos- 3.88
            2007- 3.89
            2006- 4.02
            2005- 3.87

            Not quite 2 more pitches per at bat than the year before.

          • Then it dropped dramatically since the allstar break. Along with his average.

          • TradeYouk 5 years ago

            Jason Bay 2009 Splits:

            Pre-All-Star— 260/380/527
            Post AllStar— 277/389/550

            If he actually saw dramatically less pitches after the all star break, which I doubt, it was a helpful change of strategy, as his numbers were slightly better across the board.

          • I don’t have access to my pc atm, or I’d check myself

          • And you think he will replicate those numbers in CitiField? Because I can name 10 well respected analysts who would disagree with you. he also hit a career high homers in Fenway… If anything, a righty pull hitter’s average should go UP at a park like Fenway, not down. This speaks nothing of the knee, quad and shoulder concerns that kept every team except the Mets and Sox away from Jason Bay…

            Once again, I love the guy and the Mets are my NL team. I’m simply saying on a 5 year deal, 16MM a season seems pretty steep for a guy who can hit between .250 and .280. To his credit, he has developed much better plate patience in the past 2 years being around guys like Youk and Drew, but the same will hold true for Beltre and Cameron. I’m saying the skill doesn’t warrant the deal that was desired.

          • And not to mention in 2 years he will wish he signed with an AL team so he could DH quite often.

          • And not to mention in 2 years he will wish he signed with an AL team so he could DH quite often.

          • TradeYouk 5 years ago

            Bay has hit under 280 only once in his career before last year, and that was his 1 terrible season where he was playing through injuries.

        • And camerons price and years vs bays price and years. Ill take cameron any day of the week.

  75. Russell210 5 years ago

    This is great news for Yankee fans. The failure to sign an impact hitter of the Red Sox. Instead they are replacing the production of Bay with an overrated Beltre to possibly 2 years at 20 million. Total win for the Yankees.

  76. This allows the Tigers the opportunity to sign Beltre next offseason, as Boras has a good relationship with Detroit, Inge’s contract will be over and there are no internal 3B candidates in Detroit’s farm system. I wonder why the Orioles didn’t try harder to sign Beltre, unless he wasn’t interested in playing for them.

    • Would be a good signing for the Tigers, however his cost will be too high if he performs well this season. You would have to beat the Sox 10-11MM, whatever it is his contract could meet. That would be steep for Beltre in Detroits rebuilding mind if you ask me. But I can’t say I know what rebuilding or “bridge” approach the Tigers will go with.

  77. markjsunz 5 years ago

    The sox can do a right hand left hand DH with Lowell and big Papi. Beltre has a great glove,
    after hitting close to 50 home runs his last year as a dodger, Seattle gave him a hugh contract. Of course once he got off the roids his offense went south.

  78. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    “Beltre is an enormous upgrade over an injured Lowell, and I think you will all be eating your words when he puts up a line of .275/.390/.500 with stellar D… He’s playing for a contract in a hitters ballpark… Common sense there”.
    ——————–

    Common sense is taking facts and trends and making an honest assement of “truths” and then making relatively safe predictions. Beltre has posted an OBP above .330 once since 2000, and that was during his amazing career year in 2004 when he hit .334/388 w/ 48 hrs. Since then he hasn’t come anywhere close to .350. I like the deal for the Sox and I think Beltre will do find, howver, let’s not be revisionist and let’s not pretend that Beltre is going to step out of a Boston phonebooth and come out as anyone other than Adrian Beltre w/ the career sub .350 OBP.

    • Look at his stats on the road YanksFan. Since i’m guessing you are too lazy to check them…. Here you go. He came into his own right before going to seattle. Here you go

      .280/.325/.400… On a BAD year. He will improve this year upon that, which is a much more realistic evaluation of how he will do in Boston, if not better. Hence my prediction of around .280/.350/.480-.500

      Lastly, things change (as we saw with Bay’s OBP and slugging) being around better players and a winning team. He gained a reason to play his heart out as he did earlier in his career. Beltre is in a similar situation. Seattle WAS a fairly weak team during his time there. They were nowhere near as bad as the Pirates, but their chances at the wild card and division were never very strong with the greatness of the angels in front of them.

      If you want further proof… Look at hittracker. link to hittrackeronline.com

      He is a pull hitter with power to all fields… He’s going to thrive @ Fenway and especially thrive playing in a division with all hitters ballparks.

    • Hey YanksFanSince78… Just a quick fact I thought I should point out. Remember how I was talking about the presence of patient hitters such as Youkilis and Drew benefiting the entire team and their plate patience, and I expect the same would be true for Beltre?

      There is another name I thought of that had this same influence for the Angels named Bobby Abreu on Torii Hunter. Go look at what the addition of Bobby Abreu did for Hunter. Hunter had NEVER had an OBP over .344 previous to 2009 when he logged a .366 OBP and had his batting average raise about 20 points higher than it has ever been. The right influences definitely contribute to excellence, regardless of age as Hunter is 34, not far off from Beltre.

      If you still disagree, look at your own team. You had a lazy 2nd baseman who was one of the worst 2nd basemen in baseball in 2008 (defensively) and a shortstop who’s range was very questionable and who everyone including Yankees fans thought may not hang at the SS position much longer if he kept up the sub-par play.

      Enter Mark Teixeira… Now both are Gold Glove or Gold Glove worthy infielders… Its not coincidence and Teix can’t save every misguided throw or help jeter with his range or Cano with his laziness. However, his presence, intensity and stellar defense rubbed off on the entire infield.

      Beltre will follow a similar pattern as Torii hunter regaining a stroke that can’t be projected looking at his Safeco Field stats. Thats my main point. And at 9MM, if we get that kind of improvement from Beltre, who is equally talented both offensively and even more talented defensively, 9MM is the deal of this offseason.

    • Guest 5 years ago

      Where as he’s been at the roomy Safeco Field for the latter half of a decade and Dodger Stadium, not Fenway where a hitter with his swing excels but coming from a Yanks fan I don’t expect anything more.

  79. Collectively…. easily.

    From Beltre, we will see. He has hit as many as 48… wouldn’t shock me if he rocked 30+ this year @ Fenway. At the least i’m expecting an increase in extra base hits, which will also raise his slugging %. But Jeter/Arod or Beltre Scutaro? Of course Jeter/Arod will outproduce. The combination of the 4 guys mentioned though? I don’t know they can out produce Lowell Beltre Scutaro AND Lugo…. Thats a stretch. However its a nonissue since neither Lowell or Lugo will likely be playing in a Sox uniform.

  80. longbeachmike 5 years ago

    im pretty sure beltre was working out with a-roid and bonds. i’d say right around the time he smashed 48 homers in a (suprise!) contract year. a couple of years of balco and you’re set for life. you and your 14th cousin. i’m not sold on the difference of safeco field and fenway being 10 homers and 20 rbi’s. beltre will hit his 25 homers and knock in his 80 rbi’s but i’m thinking 35/100 is beyond his reach at this stage.

  81. longbeachmike 5 years ago

    beckett sucks. also, beltre hit 48 homers in a contract year, probably while he was bathing in balco twice a night. i like beltre, i think he’s has got a quality glove and he’s an impact hitter but 30+ dingers and 100 rbi are out of his reach. he’ll get his 25/80. i’d be happy with that

  82. yall know damn well that if any free-agent passed up more money from the Mets to play somewhere else..Omar and the mets would’ve been roasted as a place that no one wants to play for….

    now the fact that he turned the Phillies down is a non-story

    smh

  83. AkronHammer 5 years ago

    if i was Beltre… I would have tooken the deal from the Phillies for 3/24m cause they r gonna be a playoff contending team for a looooonnnnggg time…Beltre made bad mistake…id rather get payed a couple million less and go on a team i know is going to win and go to the playoffs because in the divison the Red Sox are in you never know…..

    • redsox22 5 years ago

      You never know whats going to happen in any division so that is a horrible reason. The Red Sox have consistently won and made the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years in that division. Freak injuries happen every year and not every team we expect to contend will actually contend. To say he should have taken the Phillies offer because of the amount of years and money involved is something you can argue but you can’t say that the Phillies will for sure make the playoffs and contend next year. No team is certain for anything at this point thats why they play the game on the field not on paper.

  84. AkronHammer 5 years ago

    BAD SIGNNG!

  85. AkronHammer 5 years ago

    BAD SIGNNG!

  86. Alldaybaseball 5 years ago

    He should have taken the Arbitration. But he may be looking for the future because Fenway is easier park to hit homeruns in compared to Safeco Field.

  87. Alldaybaseball 5 years ago

    He should have taken the Arbitration. But he may be looking for the future because Fenway is easier park to hit homeruns in compared to Safeco Field.

  88. $1549951 5 years ago

    Yippee, Beltre can field. Sox fans will need to remind themselves of that when he’s making gobs of meek outs vs. RHPs.

    Kind of scary how feckless the Boston lineup looks at the moment.

  89. $1549951 5 years ago

    Yippee, Beltre can field. Sox fans will need to remind themselves of that when he’s making gobs of meek outs vs. RHPs.

    Kind of scary how feckless the Boston lineup looks at the moment.

  90. johnksports 5 years ago

    The Sox are certainly changing thier philosophy this winter. Not just by stressing defense so strongly but with the signings of Beltre and Cameron they have moved away from stressing OBP so much. Beltre is a flexible signing however and unless he is taking short money next winter he will likely leave and free them up to spend heavily next winter on that strong free agent class. So for the Red Sox it is defense and pitching- for this year at least. Stay tuned.

    • $1549951 5 years ago

      I like Cameron, but Beltre marks a departure from stressing good baseball.

  91. Adrian Beltre did hit more homeruns than Mike Lowell every year since 2005 with the exception of this year when he was hurt. He may never get back to the 48 homeruns but still could be very productive in Fenway

  92. Heyman named the Giants in the linked article, but I feel like they intend to use DeRosa at 3B and Sandoval at 1B. I know they could technically put DeRosa in the OF but it would surprise me.

  93. Keep Pablo at 3rd sign Russell The Muscle to play 1st. low cost . Plus I have Pujols at 1st

  94. $5-7 million or so, IIRC.

  95. BentoBox 5 years ago

    At least Adrian Beltre has some value right now (his defense) while Varitek didn’t have any last year.

  96. ArmchairGM 5 years ago

    I think you are confusing two things here. Cameron and Beltre are not meant to be big offensive additions (though I personally think that both will hit decent at least, particularly Beltre in Fenway, though this is aside the point). I’m not going to argue the point that Holliday would have been a much more impressive bat for the Red Sox to add, but the guy is NOT worth the commitment he was after, which he’ll likely get from the Cardinals due to the lack of quality free agents in this class. The money saved from a potential Holliday deal coupled with the 40MM+ coming off the books next year are much better spent in my opinion on 2010 FA’s, like Mauer (if by some act of God he is not extended by the Twins), extending Beckett or numerous other better aquisitions.

    The elite, middle of the order bat that you are seeking (and I do agree that the Red Sox would be much better off with) is not named Holliday, and I imagine that Theo and the FO are working to try to pry someone like Gonzalez, Fielder, Votto, Cabrera, etc. from their respective clubs by the deadline.

    Run prevention and defense will help the club at least stand pat until the All-Star Break, I think, given the tremendous amount of games they lost by 3 runs or less and the Red Sox’s rather abysmal 2009 defense and less-than-stellar pitching, both of which have largely been remedied.

    I really think that the offense, though not quite as “dramatic” as the Yankees, will be quite sufficient to win games, perhaps not by 3+ runs, but enough to outscore the other guy, and frankly that’s the point. I think the Red Sox will be a very competitive team in 2010, and that’s before the deadline.

  97. pt_nj 5 years ago

    No way Damon takes a 1 year deal. There will have to be a minimum of 2 years. Damon follows the money – and so does Boras. Don’t full yourself that he has any blind loyalties to the Yankees.By the way – the way the NL West has gone this year, SF has as good a chance as anyone to win that division. The Dodgers have done nothing, then there’s San Diego and Colorado. None of those teams are going to runaway with the division. SF has excellent starting pitching and some good young players. If they add a guy like Damon who is a veteran they would be competitive.

  98. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    My bad, too good of a logo to pass up

  99. RedSox2219 5 years ago

    My bad, too good of a logo to pass up

  100. fitz 5 years ago

    I’m just messing with you 😀

  101. fitz 5 years ago

    I’m just messing with you 😀

  102. strasburgsavior 5 years ago

    Sox aren’t trading Lester, even in a deal for Lee.

  103. strasburgsavior 5 years ago

    Sox aren’t trading Lester, even in a deal for Lee.

  104. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    Yeah, I agree with strasburgsavior. You had me going until the part about trading lester. 😛 No way are they going to trade basically a proven ace who’s still very young for an aging Lee who has really only had what, 3 good years?

  105. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    Yeah, I agree with strasburgsavior. You had me going until the part about trading lester. 😛 No way are they going to trade basically a proven ace who’s still very young for an aging Lee who has really only had what, 3 good years?

  106. 080808 5 years ago

    you can’t DH V-Mart.
    if injury happens to Varitek (back up C), pitcher has to hit.

  107. 080808 5 years ago

    you can’t DH V-Mart.
    if injury happens to Varitek (back up C), pitcher has to hit.

  108. Deanezag 5 years ago

    That’s way too long for a post on a sports rumor site

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