Johnny Damon Rumors: Thursday

9:29pm: MLB.com's Scott Merkin concurs, adding that he believes the White Sox have about $4MM to offer Damon.

5:50pm: According to Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago's interest in Johnny Damon is more about "due diligence" than anything else, and if the price tag is around $7MM per season, that is beyond their budget.

4:48pm: Heyman tweets that the Tigers may have offered slightly more than $14MM.

4:21pm: ESPN.com's Buster Olney tweets that executives expect Damon to sign with the Tigers.

4:15pm: Braves president John Schuerholz tells Jim Bowden that GM Frank Wren is "engaged" in talks with Damon and Scott Boras (Twitter link).

3:56pm: Jon Heyman of SI.com tweets that the Tigers have one and two-year offers on the table to Damon. The Braves and White Sox are also involved.

3:05pm: Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports and Jim Bowden tweet that the White Sox and Tigers are bidding on Damon. 

2:48pm: Tigers owner Mike Ilitch has authorized a two-year $14MM offer, sources tell Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. It's hard to imagine Damon turning this kind of offer down.

Damon is also considering a one-year $7MM offer from the Tigers and a one-year offer from the Braves. Atlanta won't likely offer two years, since they have outfield prospects Jason Heyward and Jordan Schafer.

2:02pm: Damon is nearing a decision and could agree to a deal this week, reports ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. Damon's best available offer comes from the Tigers. Insiders guess they're offering a one-year deal worth $7MM or so, but the sides haven't ruled out a two-year deal.

The Braves and Rays are still involved and a source tells Stark that the White Sox have interest. The Braves and Rays are talking one-year deals and neither club has offered as much as the Tigers.

1:21pm: The Tigers appear willing to top the Braves' offer to Johnny Damon, tweets Newsday's Ken Davidoff. Davidoff suggests that the Tigers could offer Damon $4.5MM, which would top Atlanta's offer of about $4MM.

Yesterday, we heard that the Braves offered Damon a deal worth less than $4MM. The deal includes deferred money, according to multiple reports. Earlier in the week, FOX Sports reported that Damon was still looking for a multi-year deal.


205 Responses to Johnny Damon Rumors: Thursday Leave a Reply

  1. Jays swoop in with 5 million. (Damon >> Bautista) as long as it doesn’t take away at-bats from Snider.

    • tigers22 5 years ago

      go for it man… hes yours. hes the braves… i could care less, just not here

  2. granderslam 5 years ago

    Could have been with the Yankees for $6 million. What an idiot.

    • jwsox 5 years ago

      he only would have been with the yanks if they didnt sign nick johnson damons deal was based on if johnson signs

  3. DarthVader87 5 years ago

    That traitor should go on over to the NL I think.

    • empathizerightonyourbehind 5 years ago

      ok, not everyone that ever played for the red sox is a red sock for life. curt schilling (in the past), josh becket, mike lowell, manny ramierez, even johnny damon… all of these “core” guys spent quite a bit of time playing for other teams. why can’t boston get over itself?

      • DarthVader87 5 years ago

        Not all of them say they would never play for the Yankees either.

        • empathizerightonyourbehind 5 years ago

          true.

          • DarthVader87 5 years ago

            That’s my only problem with him. I still like Wade even though he was a Yankee, front office made him do what he did. Johnny was my favorite. Said he would never do it. Then did it.

        • Deanezag 5 years ago

          For what it’s worth: Schilling also stated he would only approve a trade to the Yankees or Phillies, before Theo flew out there and talked to him and gave him a 25m extension (+13m option) at 37 years old.

        • kikojones 5 years ago

          Um, Lowell WAS a Yankee.

  4. LTDm206 5 years ago

    I don’t know why, but I really want Damon to sign with the Braves. I don’t like the idea of him playing anywhere else. Something about him on the Braves makes me feel good.

    • Damon, despite inflated numbers with Yankees, is a player who has done nothing but win in his career. I don’t usually care for nebulous intangibles like this in most cases, but the braves don’t seem to have that winning mentality. Watching them look so poised to take the wildcard last year, and yet come up so flaccid seems partly an attitude problem. Damon seems to play with some amount of hustle that would hopefully be infectious. I like the signing.

      I’d say let Heyward get some ABs at Gwinett, and then trade Melky for the bullpen that we’ll most likely need by June anyway.

      • empathizerightonyourbehind 5 years ago

        ok, aparently no one remembers that johnny damon played his first 6 years in KANSAS CITY before going to oakland and eventually the red sox. he’s not home grown, boston. get over it.

  5. Rich_in_NJ 5 years ago

    Maybe if he express his love for Gordie Howe, or Al Kaline, the Tigers will raise their offer.

  6. WisBrave 5 years ago

    Well if this report is true looks like he will stay in the AL. I really doubt the Braves will bother with a counter offer. But that’s alright that leaves some money if needed at the trade deadline.

  7. bbxxj 5 years ago

    Good good good. Lets go with Matty Baseball and play some defense. Damon is a fine player but with Heyward likely starting in Atlanta (just read some Cox/FO lately) Diaz needs to have a spot to play and he is an above average defender in LF.

  8. Brad426 5 years ago

    So this is the bidding war Boras told Damon to hold out for.

  9. rockiesfan_303 5 years ago

    Braves lineup with Damon:

    Prado
    Damon
    Chipper
    McCann
    Glaus
    McLouth
    Escobar
    Melky/Diaz til Heyward is ready

    Detroit

    Jackson
    Damon
    Maggs
    Miggy
    Guillen DH
    Inge
    Sizemore
    Laird
    Everett

    I think the Braves is a better situation for Damon to go to.

  10. KnightInATL 5 years ago

    Don’t look for the Braves to enter into a mano-a-mano bidding war with the Tigers. We won’t win. It also doesn’t make sense. If Heyward joins the big club directly from Lake Buena Vista, it completely removes the need for Damon. Cox has said that Heyward will not platoon in Atlanta, which leaves LF in the hands of Cabrera and Diaz (which I will argue with the bbxxj’s point that he is an above avg fielder…he is far from it). Also, lest we forget, Jordan Shafer is still a top notch prospect whom I have no doubt will become a solid contributor for some ballclub in the near future.

    • Brad426 5 years ago

      Diaz’s UZR/150 numbers playing LF for the Braves:

      06: 18.0
      07: 19.3
      08: -9.6
      09: 2.9

      He may not be awesome, but he is a better-than-average LF.

  11. Probably more like

    Damon
    McLouth
    Chipper
    Glaus
    McCann
    Escobar
    Prado
    Heyward/Diaz/Cabrera

    But either way you’re probably right about it being the better option. My gut says he leaves a little on the table to play for Cox rather than live in Detroit. Just saying.

  12. Roy Munson 5 years ago

    First would not take 2yrs 14M from the Yanks, then won’t take 6M from the Yanks… Boras cost this guy a lot of money. And wherever Damon signs he’ll do the whole “I felt respected with the tigers/braves/reds offer”…. Joke

  13. Damn. That lineup would be scary about two-three years ago. Oh well.

  14. CosaOne 5 years ago

    Monumentally stupid decision by him this year, leave the team that you just won a World Series ring with who previously paid you 52 million, play in the perfect ballpark for you and also offered you the best contract you will get for possibly the rest of your career. I know I’d rather live in Detroit then NY, jackass

    • Roy Munson 5 years ago

      Brainwashed By Boras…. Those two completely Misread the market… and it cost Damon Millions and a chance at winning. Total lose/lose for Johnny

  15. ChiefTomahawk 5 years ago

    This is why logistics such as amount offered for a salary should never be released until a deal is finalized.

  16. boras4prez 5 years ago

    Dear Johnny,

    Hope you enjoy Detriot.

    Sincerely,
    The Braves

    • tigers22 5 years ago

      not cool man… the braves need to step up and sign him. dont want him around here

  17. Detroit Rock City 5 years ago

    “Insiders guess the Tigers are offering a one-year deal worth $7MM or so” I hope this is a typo. The Braves offer 4 million and the Tigers counter with 7, what rocket scientist is doing the math on this one. Better be more like 3 million guaranteed with heavy incentives on like 700 plate appearances and not looking like a 9 year old girl in LF with that arm, maybe an extra mill for 50+ homers or batting .400.

  18. NL_East_Rivalry 5 years ago

    Tigers have to be dumb to do this. All they needed to do is wait for Damon to say no to ATL’s offer and then ATL is out of the running. Rays and White Sox can’t offer as much as Detriot. Detriot should just offer him a 1 year 5 mil deal.

    • WisBrave 5 years ago

      Yeah have to agree, no one else would have gave him more than 5 mil at least not at this time of year.

  19. Looks like Boras may get Johnny that 2 year deal after all. If the Tigers are offering 7 mil a year than take him. 2/7 sounds good, but 7 a year is way to much for .285/15/65.

  20. baycommuter 5 years ago

    drinky makes a good point, with Damon in the clubhouse last year they would have held it together even after Cabrera went on his bender.

  21. mistermonkey 5 years ago

    Signing Damon for 2010 is a smart move for the Tigers, if it’s $7M or less. So many positives — proven lefty hitter they don’t currently have; fewer OF innings for Carlos Guillen; bona fide leadoff hitter; fewer ABs for Ordonez (the man with the $15M option for 2011 that vests with 540 PAs/135 games started); Raburn stays in a super reserve role; and most importantly, the option to trade Damon at the deadline to a contender and bring in prospects.

    But man, if the Tigers go to two years, they are stupid.

  22. empathizerightonyourbehind 5 years ago

    maybe if the tigers sign johnny damon, they can flip him and austin jackson to new york for curtis granderson and this whole offseason will be a whole lot easier to understand.

  23. stymeedone 5 years ago

    NO ONE is bidding on Dammon. Hopefully Detroit isnt stupid enough to go 7 mill. And PLEASE tell me they arent dumb enough to go 2 years. Felipe Lopez would be a better fit, as he can step in should Sizemore not pan out, or Inge continue his 2nd half. He’s also younger, and probably less expensive and could provide flexibility for 2011, when Inge is a FA and there is no one in the minors waiting.

    • SheaGoodbye 5 years ago

      Exactly. This would be the worst case of bidding against oneself ever.

  24. tbrays 5 years ago

    dumb

  25. tbrays 5 years ago

    The Tigers are dumb

  26. rockiesfan_303 5 years ago

    2 years 14mil from the Tigers?? How does this justify trading Granderson at all? I guess just add Johnny Damon and Marcus Thames to that original 3 team trade

  27. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    “Tigers owner Mike Ilitch has authorized a two-year $14MM offer”

    That is pathetic and ridiculous.

  28. gamehawk 5 years ago

    Well looks like Damon will be a Tiger barring a big counter by the Braves which I don’t see happening. Would’ve liked to have seen Damon in a Braves uniform making a run for it with Bobby in his final year. He would have liked it in Atlanta. Good luck Johnny!

  29. cheez13 5 years ago

    It really doesn’t make much sense. How does Detroit send Granderson packing for prospects to save money and then go out and spend more money on an older player? If they are really offering 2/14 mil…who are they outbidding?…the Braves reported offer was only 1/4. Who knows? The Tigers are really going to take a beating if they sign him for 2/14!

    • DarthVader87 5 years ago

      Yeah, that really doesn’t make much sense to me either.

    • tigers22 5 years ago

      exactly… I don’t like hating players on our team but I’ll hate Damon if he signs. this is such a waste for this year, and if they sign him for 2 years, that’s 7 million out of the 60 million coming off the books next year going straight into Damon’s pocket. Just doesn’t make any sense. And now the Sox jump in to try to drive up the price. they can go ahead and get him as long as we dont try to outbid them

    • m4r1n3r 5 years ago

      You hit the nail on the head there. This makes absolutely no sense at all. Both clubs should just pull their offers now and get that price back down where it should be.

    • ChiefTomahawk 5 years ago

      Great post! I cant believe they agree to trade one of the best young OF’s in the game in Granderson and claim to be saving money. Then go out and offer Damon 2 yrs at above market price.

  30. tigers22 5 years ago

    AHHHHHHH.

    (pulls out hair)

    Boras is going to get exactly what he wants by milking us for a contract. I’m going to hate him even more now.

  31. come on Kenny get her done we need a DH.

  32. LOL! 2/14 ??? I don’t know much about the Tigers GM but wow that is a stupid offer.

  33. ChiefTomahawk 5 years ago

    I’m honestly shocked he is about to get $14 mm from the Tigers. Braves should never come close to that. My feeling all along was 1 yr/5 mm. If higher then its not a fit.

  34. soxluv 5 years ago

    No way the White Sox give Damon $14M/2 yrs. But he would make their lineup better.

  35. dickylarue 5 years ago

    If this 2/14 deal goes down with Detroit, then Detroit is officially Boras’ b***h. Unbelievable, that any team would offer him anything more than a few million at this point and I’m a Damon fan.

  36. Macfan1 5 years ago

    Scott Boras always could find a $ucker in Mike Ilitch, What does Damon at 2-14 actually do for that club.

    I guess with the Twins making some signings, the White Sox having Peavy for the entire season, Detroit feels compelled to have to do something.

    If there is one person Boras could always milk it was Mike Itlitch.

    Hope Detroit enjoys Damon at 7 million a year for 2years of

    .280-.285 AVG, 13-15 HR, 65+ RBI max

    with horrific defense in Comerica’s outfield unless he DH’s.

    I look forward to Granderson returning there and going first to home on balls to left field, heck Jim Thome could pinch run and go from first to 3rd with Damon in the outfield.

    Guess the Tigers feel they have to do something though.

    • tigers22 5 years ago

      Exactly. This is us being weak and feeling like they need to do something to combat those other teams moves. It’s just not smart at all, and thats what pisses me off. And especially at TWO years. Christ, old man Damon just is not worth that much. He is not going to help us win a World Series.

    • rayking 5 years ago

      The thought of Thome pinch running makes me chuckle. Good post.

      Count me in amongst those thoroughly angered if Boras pulls this one out of his arse.

  37. Hard to understand why Ilitch would authorize two years, $14 million. Who is he bidding against? Seems like Damon could be had for less than that given that the Braves only offered one year, $4 million with half that deferred. I suppose the White Sox jumping in would drive the price up a bit but do they really have the money to drive the price up that much? Damon had better take that offer if it’s legit. If he doesn’t then he and Boras are both certifiable. They should have learned something from this process, too bad the Tigers are going to reward them more than they probably should have been and allow them to save face. I like the Tigers and like the idea of Damon playing for them, I just wish he’d have been forced to take a bigger pay cut given how all this has played out.

  38. mistermonkey 5 years ago

    If the $14M/2 yr Tigers deal is true, I am now actively rooting that Kenny Williams is even stupider than Dave Dombrowski/Ilitch. For one year, even at $7M, Damon is a decent fit for the Tigers. For two, it’s the stupidest thing that’s ever happened. Hoping that it’s a club option for the second year not based on incentives…

    • billmelton 5 years ago

      I don’t see KW offering two years… plus, what does he do with Jones/Kotsay? I could see him putting his neck out for A -Gon or maybe Dunn, but not Damon.

      • mistermonkey 5 years ago

        Yeah, totally. KW actually has some brains. I really can’t believe this rumor, though. It would be just so ridiculously bad of a deal for the Tigers.

        • billmelton 5 years ago

          Unless KW is just trying to drive up the price…

  39. billmelton 5 years ago

    Maybe he’ll next talk about how much he loved the Super Bowl Shuffle…

  40. bjsguess 5 years ago

    If Damon gets 2/$14 then I expect many MLBTR commentators to come back with their tail between their legs. Boras did Damon right if he can swing this kind of a deal.

    • mistermonkey 5 years ago

      More like Ilitch did baseball — and the world — wrong. The only person who could be talked into such a deal given the evidence is a very stupid person indeed. But maybe it’s not true…

    • Macfan1 5 years ago

      You mean the same deal that the Yankees initially offered when it was beneath him to accept that paltry sum to remain in New York, because he wanted the same 13 million per season for multiple years and then 10 million per season for multiple years.

      So he is going to take the same deal to go to Detroit that he was going to get in New York, yeah Damon was real smart.

      Let me leave the World Series Champions, a park and lineup that suited me and helped me have a career type season, surrounded by some of the best hitters in the game to go to Detroit and a team that is building for the future.

      Not to mention Yankee Stadium for 81 games could hide his defense along with the dominant offensive lineup he played in that could make up for any defensive shortcoming he had.

      All Damon did was get greedy and now is on a worse team than the one he was on last season for at best the same amount of cash that he was originally offered.

      Boras should feel lucky he always has Mike Ilitch to sucker a deal out of.

      • mistermonkey 5 years ago

        All of your points are completely valid except one: Detroit isn’t in rebuilding mode, and never was. The Granderson trade had nothing to do with giving up on 2010.

    • CosaOne 5 years ago

      Ill admit that everyone who bashed Boras will be wrong. If Damon gets the 2 years and 14 million then Boras is a wizard, and accurately banked on some GM being dumb enough to match the best deal he has received.

      But Im not sure we can say he did right by his client seeing as he is now accepting the same deal he rejected to stay with the Yankees who are a better team and a better overall situation for Damon then the Tigers. By situation I mean, better team, ballpark suited for his hitting style, he already has a residence in NY etc

    • Deanezag 5 years ago

      “Boras did Damon right if he can swing this kind of a deal”

      From taking his client from the favorites to win the WS in a ballpark perfect for him, to the Tigers in a huge ballpark?

      If he gets 14m from the Tigers then I give Boras credit for that, but its not better than 14m from the Yankees.

  41. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I’m shocked that the Tigers are offering that kind of guaranteed money. Not that Damon isn’t worth but more like that offer seemingly blows the Braves offer clear out the water. Also shocked to hear that the Sox are interested simply because they already have a crowded OF with Pierre, Rios, Quenten. Andru Jones and Mark Kotsay. I guess it would be Quenten as DH, Damon in LF, Pierre in CF and Rios back to RF? Talk about runners taking liberties.

    • brian310 5 years ago

      i think it would be LF-Pierre CF-Rios RF-Quentin DH-Damn 4th OF- Jones 1B/OF-Kotsay

      • danks50 5 years ago

        Exactly and gives Ozzie the flexibility he craves such as configurations from left to right like: Damon/Pierre/Rios to keep Q fresh.

        However if the Tigers want to bid themselves into a corner and pick up Damon when they still have question marks in center, and second, and awful bats at catcher short stop they can go right ahead. I would have loved Damon on the White Sox but if the tigers expect to be a force with rookies/aging veterans/very young arms as the #2 & #3 in the rotation etc they can waste more money on damon.

        • mistermonkey 5 years ago

          With Damon, the Tigers will be a lot better in 2010 than you’re giving them credit for. Agreed that the lineup is still a bit weak, but it was weak last year and they did okay. Damon replaces Granderson’s production. Polanco didn’t have a great season so the downgrade to Sizemore probably won’t be so bad. Jackson is essentially taking ABs they gave to Raburn/Clete Thomas last year so could be worse. Inge/Ordonez/Guillen all project to have better seasons for various reasons. And Miguel Cabrera is sober.

          Not saying they’ll be great or anything and yeah, the pitching staff might be a question but they have a pretty good shot of winning the AL Central with Damon on the squad. I mean it’s not like they’re not planning on starting Juan Pierre…

          • danks50 5 years ago

            Good one considering Everett & Laird are two of the biggest offensive holes out there, combine that with a rookie 2nd basement and center field prospect that’s posted stellar .767 OPS in the minors and you have yourself the lower tier offense that is the Detroit Tigers, with or without Johnny Damon. I can be super optimistic and name 5 reason why I think the White Sox will be a good lineup but right now with a carousel of bench players rotating through the DH slot I just don’t see it.

            Seeing a .600 OPS playing short everyday with an offensively useless backstop and a declining Magglio and Guillen with two unproven rookies commanding everyday roles should have you should be saying the same.

          • mistermonkey 5 years ago

            Oh, it’s true — their lineup is pretty terrible, even with Damon. But it’s better than you’re giving it credit for is all I’m saying. I think the White Sox are the team to beat in the AL Central followed closely by the Twins but the Tigers will be in the mix like the White Sox were there last year until September. .500 team with Verlander/Porcello/Scherzer and the improved bullpen — they’ll need Magglio and at least one of the two rookies to produce to have a real shot but obviously weirder things have happened in the AL Central in recent years.

  42. No way they are offering 2/14. Not in a million years. How do rumors go up from a 1/4 deferred to 2/14?

    The advantage the White Sox have is if it the teams are pretty close in price the White Sox are in a better place to compete and they will rotate all the outfielders through the DH spot along with Paulie. That will keep Damon fresh and healthy for the next season.

    • Macfan1 5 years ago

      Unless its Ken Rosenthal doing the usual ballwashing for Boras, next Heyman may tweet the same thing as well to certify who its coming from.

      • Macfan1 5 years ago

        “next Heyman may tweet the same thing as well to certify who its coming from.”

        As is written so shall it be, Boras mouthpiece #1 Heyman can’t let mouthpiece #2 Rosenthal get all the limelight.

  43. tbettack 5 years ago

    wow 14 mil for two years.. never thought he’d get anywhere near that. Detroit can have him for that. Never really sure about how I felt with Damon in Atlanta, kinda like if he signs cheap great, if not they’ve got a perfectly capable outfield along with the #1 prospect in baseball!

    • gamehawk 5 years ago

      Agree with that mostly, except we still don’t have a legitimate lead-off threat. Damon would have done that nicely for us.

  44. atlbraves312 5 years ago

    LOL! The Tigers! LOL… no offense to you guys…

  45. soxin10 5 years ago

    No way detroit pays 2/14. What was the point of getting rid of a superior player in granderson?

  46. danks50 5 years ago

    The Tigers are fools like they hand out that contract as they have a DH in left, and right, and even though I’m one to talk as a White Sox fan with/without Damon that offense looks awful.

    • billmelton 5 years ago

      Over/under on how many packs of smokes Leyland has gone through now?

  47. andrewchet 5 years ago

    14 million really? welp, it’s ok…..Jason Heyward will save the day!

  48. Rich_in_NJ 5 years ago

    I suspect that some of these reports are merely leaks fed to reporters that are designed to further Boras’s agenda.

    • Macfan1 5 years ago

      You would suspect, after all there is no reason for the Tigers to give Damon that deal unless the White Sox or Braves are really coming hard after Damon.

      Do the Tigers really need Damon that badly. :)

  49. danks50 5 years ago

    Dombrowski is a certifiable idiot and in a span of a couple months took a pretty good centerfielder and flipped him for a prospect and in return looks like he’s gonna use that money to sign Damon to an even larger contact over the next two years. The man is working in circles and if he wants to commit two years for absolutely no reason whatsoever he can go right ahead. Amazing how the team has sunk so much money into absolutely useless players and he continues to splurge on his owners dime.

    • mistermonkey 5 years ago

      Totally agree that it makes no sense to sign Damon to two years, especially when you can’t put him at DH due to the Guillen problem. Why not just keep Granderson if this was the plan? Weird. Plus it takes them out of the running for Carl Crawford next year. But it hasn’t happened yet…

  50. billmelton 5 years ago

    Interesting that none of the Chisox beat reporters are writing about this…

  51. billmelton 5 years ago

    Olney’s tweet surely means he’ll be signing on with anyone but the Tigers…

    Seriously, heard from “some executives involved”? He’s reporting a rumor of a rumor. I’d put little stock in his writing here…

    • danks50 5 years ago

      Olney has poor sources and he knows it, he’s almost never the one to report and signing so he goes on mlbtraderumors sees the reported offers and puts together some vague basic tweet to sound like hes an “insider”.

  52. jwsox 5 years ago

    Really 4.5 mill to damon when they just got rid of granderson who is only making one more million? This move literally does not make sence….granderson hit 30 homeruns and stole 20 bases. damon only hit 24 hrs and stole 12 bases. And cant field..this move does not make sense

  53. Detroit Rock City 5 years ago

    Ken Rossenthal your on crack, 2 yr 14 mill WTF!!! This better not be true, I dont want Damon for two years. One at 7MM sounds ridiculous in itself.

  54. jwsox 5 years ago

    if he can put up a year like he did last year he is well work it but still granderson was set to make 5.5 million this year and the GM for DEt is wiling to pay damon(worse in every category) more money that does not make sense…

  55. rickjames2213 5 years ago

    lots of folks have gotten on Boras’ case for mismanaging Johnny Damon.

    well…this proves that Scott Boras is smarter then any of those idiots, sitting in their mothers basement, will ever be..

    the bidding war for Damon that most people said wouldn’t happen is on…later then Boras or damon probably hoped for…but its here nonetheless and will net Damon a very good chunk of change.

    • danks50 5 years ago

      Give credit where credit is due to Dombrowski and Ilitch for taking what looked like a bargain and instead bidding against themselves and offering two years to move a player that hit 17 hrs in Yankee Stadium to a pitchers park.

    • Deanezag 5 years ago

      1. Lets slow down, he’s not signed yet.
      2. If he gets 14m then Damon still loses out. He goes from the defending champs and favorites in ’10 in a ballpark perfect for him, to a lesser team playing in a huge ballpark.

  56. jwsox 5 years ago

    he didnt turn down any offer from the yankees….The offer to damon from NY was based on if Nick Johnson signed his deal. If he didnt then Damon would have been truly offered a contract. But seeing as Johnson signed his deal that took damons deal off the plate.

    • BaseballFan0707 5 years ago

      From what I understand, Boras claimed that the Yanks made no offer, but Cashman stated that, up until the night before they signed Johnson, the 2 year/14 million dollar deal was still on the table. I’m FAR more inclined to believe Cashman than Boras. Therefore, no, that’s not true.

      I’ll go see if I can find this in the archives, but I’m pretty sure of it.

  57. jwsox 5 years ago

    1 year base of 5 mill with 2-3 mill in incentives. And A mutual option for next season. If Damon turns down the deal the club is not allowed to offer Arb so he can get a better deal from another team without them having to lose a draft pick…that sounds like an ideal deal for him gets him a bunch of money and possibly gets him the 2 yrs he wants

  58. jwsox 5 years ago

    if he signes with the tigers at least he will be a beast when they play in NY

  59. Hoosierdaddy92 5 years ago

    Tigers better not go more than 2 years 10MM. 5MM per..

  60. diehardmets 5 years ago

    Damn, I was hoping to see Reyes and Pagan and Wright and Beltran going 1st to 3rd on every ball hit into LF when they play the Braves. Reyes could probably score on a single to LF from first with Damon out there, but oh well.

    • gamehawk 5 years ago

      I think you’re forgetting who the cutoff guy would be on that side of the diamond,Yunel and that canon for an arm. Not to mention the smaller dimensions at the Ted would be more beneficial to Damon anyway. Of course the Mets only having 1 real pitcher and the larger ballpark you’d better be a running club.

  61. jwsox 5 years ago

    one thing you forgot kotsay…AND what are you on that you would rather have brent(who cant field cant hit and can hardly run) over Nix who has powe speed and versitlity off the bench? as long as there is nix lilibridge wont make the team..

    Please dont say kotsay wont make the team they gave him over a million he is for sure going to make the team…I agree damon would be a nice addition to our team. And i still think we have the central without him. Pitching staff is better then anyone..and we have while the twins have the M&M boys the rest of their team is suspect. THome can only hit fastballs and they have NO rotation…we have the central locked baring injury but damon would make us one of the elite teams in the AL….KW 2 yrs10 million base 4-5 in incentives

  62. Suzysman 5 years ago

    “Heyman tweets that the Tigers may have offered slightly more than $14MM.”

    I imagine someone else probably mentioned it, but what??? Talk about illogically bidding against yourself. Not to mention doing so would have made the Granderson trade rather pointless – they would be spending more for Damon then they would have Curtis. Plus they already have a player in Raburn who offers similar hitting plus the actual ability to play in the outfield well.

    Just pointless.

  63. jwsox 5 years ago

    I think all of this is boras driving the price up…damon will land some where like on the wsox or braves

  64. jwsox 5 years ago

    sorry for all the quick simple posts but this screams Kenny Williams secrete moves…I bet KW swoops down and signs this guy randomly…look at peavy and rios no one knew KW was even talking to these guys

  65. soxluv 5 years ago

    Boras did mismanage this. Damon wanted to sign with the Yankees and now his best offer is the same one as the Yankees but it is with Detroit. Anyway, I still don’t believe Detroit made that offer.

  66. mistermonkey 5 years ago

    Hmmm. If the Tigers sign Damon to two years, I might actually cry. It’s like they learned absolutely nothing from the unnecessary Gary Sheffield extension. And two years of that handcuffed LF/DH combo of Damon and Guillen is just painful to think about. The only conceivable reason to sign Damon in 2010 is to attempt to compete immediately — and if you’re out of it by the deadline, trade him for prospects. I am sincerely beginning to hate Dave Dombrowski, who I really used to like.

  67. TwinsFan 5 years ago

    “Ohhh Man, if KW signs Damon, you might as well crown the Sox as division winners now, barring injury,of coarse. This would do wonders for their lineup and probably make it the best in the division. The twins do have a pretty stellar line, only because of Kube,Mauer and Mourneu. The Sox already have the best Starting Pitching, Bullpen and Bench in the Central and signing Damon would probably give em’ the best lineup as well. Here are my opening day predictions IF the sox sign Damon”

    There is absolutely no way the White Sox will have a better offense than the Twins if they sign Damon. Last year the Sox’ offense was 12th in the AL and the Twins got your best hitter in terms of OPS in Thome. The Sox’ offense lost alot of punch and whlie it shouldn’t be any worse than last year it probably won’t be much better. Meanwhile, the Twins were a top 5 offense in the AL last year and added Thome, Hardy, and Hudson, and you fail to mention Cuddyer and Span when you talk about the Twins’ lineup. Those additions probably makes the Twins a top 3 offense in the AL, so I don’t understand how you think the addition of Damon can jump the White Sox’ offense from 12th to even being in the top 5 in the league

    • billmelton 5 years ago

      Sorry, but the Twins owed a lot of their offensive punch to the Metrodome. It will be interesting to see their metrics in Target Field, playing outdoors in April…

      • 0vercast 5 years ago

        Aside from the baggie in right field, the Metrodome was a pitchers park, and the Twins played off that with strong emphasis on pitching and defense. Target Field looks like a launching pad. Interesting to see how that plays out.

    • jwsox 5 years ago

      a few things…offence yes the twins win but that only depends on carlos’s season and rios…IF carlos has an 08 season again(SECOND IN MVP AND MISSED THE LAST 30 GAMES) then we are right on par with the twins…lets not forget the o-dawg got benched last season..and the twins best pitcher is their closer…they can not even come close to matching up with mark, gavin and danks…and not to mention the new ACE peavy…

      Thome is a part time player/ pinch hitter so chill on thome being soo good…hudson is on the down side of his career and HArdy has been having trouble in recent years. ALSO the team in playing in a 100% new stadium no one knows how the will play…they are built for indoors turf not grass in minn in september and oct…….an out door stadium in Minnesota is a weird thing to me…THE FACT IS NO ONE KNOWS HOW THEY WILL PLAY..no one knows how justin will come back after all his surgeries and if Mauer will have another MVP season…and again NO PITCHERS…

      • TwinsFan 5 years ago

        All I said was that the Twins have a way better offense, so I don’t really
        know why you had to bring up the pitching. It’s obvious that you guys have
        a better staff and that we have the better offense that’s why it’s going to
        be a fun race. I have confidense that we can win the division because I’m a
        Twins fan, just as White Sox fans should have confidence in their team
        winning the division. But your argument for winning the central is your
        pitching, which is why I didn’t like the argument made about your offense
        being better because it simply isn’t, just like our pitching isn’t as good
        as yours

    • I don’t understand why people are saying the Twins have a better offense if anything its the same as the sox. O-dog declined, and has never finished a season in the last few years hot, either by injury or a slump. You can’t always say Morneau was injured can still be injure you can’t always assume he will be back at 100% and JJ might not return to 08 form it could be 09 form.

      If people think Morneau, O-dog, and JJ will return to form. Then the same need to be said for Q, Rios, and Teahen. Given our stadium the Sox will have a better offense because of speed(Well Rios) If one thing goes for the twins the same can go for the sox.

      • TwinsFan 5 years ago

        I believe that the Twins have a better offense because it was way better
        last year and we clearly got better. Even if Hudson is declining you need
        to think of what he is replacing. He is at worst an average 2B and our 2B’s
        last year had a higher OPS than only the NL pitchers. I will give you that
        Hardy is a big question mark just as Rios is with you so I think they are
        both pretty much a wash. Morneau did not have a bad year last year so I
        don’t really know how he would need to “return to form,” he just needs to
        stay healthy which he’s done all his life except for the injury at the end
        of last year. It’s certainly a bit of a concern but given their track
        records I would bet that he would be more likely to have a good year than
        Quentin considering he’s only really had one good year in his life. You are
        right that I am probably a little bit too confidence about our offense but
        that’s just because we haven’t signed a free agent in like 15 years lol. I
        will give you possible returns to form for Quentin and Rios but Teahen has
        never been a good hitter so he really has no success to return to. I would
        like to thank you for keeping this about baseball and not getting personal
        about it like another Sox fan here, you seem like a good Sox/baseball fan.

  68. billmelton 5 years ago

    Don’t know if I’d really trust anything from Cowley either, he’s considered to be kind of a tool…

  69. tigers22 5 years ago

    MORE? more than 14? Good god DD…

  70. besttradever 5 years ago

    My vision with Damon is: Going to Cincinnati. But thats not going to happend. A lot of people ever Boras, expected the Reds to sign him, but we backed down. Also, he had thoughts about retiring. Anyways, Frank Thomas and Tom Glavine have offically retired.

  71. coolstorybro222 5 years ago

    Boras is just one of the worst agents possibly. the dude is just stubborn, and in turn makes his clients stubborn and expect teams to overpay for them. he’s a class a robber.

    I hope The braves can try and get him for cheap, but that might be out the window.

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      Boras isn’t stubborn in my opinion.If you’re stubborn, you’re recognizing reality and not liking it. Boras has just completely lost any and all touch with reality. This is a complete fluke that the Tigers are dumb enough to buy into his asanine dealing procedure with this whole Damon thing. Now of course Boras and Damon are gonna celebrate victory when he’s got his two year contract and they both are gonna think that they did so good with all of this but it all boils down to the fact that the Tigers front office is a bunch of idiots who don’t understand who’s worth what. And when you’re a fan of a team with a guy with a shitty contract it’s perfectly ok to bash other teams because you know what they are going through

  72. atlbraves312 5 years ago

    LOL! EVEN MORE FUNNIER.. SLIGHTER MORE THAN $14 MILLION DOLLARS…. GOD.. WHAT’S WRONG WITH DETROIT… MAYBE THEY’RE SO UPSET ABOUT LAST SEASON THAT THEY’RE DESPERATE FOR JOHNNY DAMON NOW….

    • tigers22 5 years ago

      ha, good one. I sure can tell you think thats funny with all those caps!

  73. BaseballFan0707 5 years ago

    And this is why Boras keeps getting the last laugh. Teams are stupid enough to cave in.

    Damon has NO market, NO negotiating power, hell, he has NOTHING right now other than the ability to play baseball. You don’t let him tell you how much he’s going to be paid. You tell him, Detroit.

  74. scotty_d 5 years ago

    All the Sox fans are making me puke. lulzzzz

  75. cheez13 5 years ago

    Boy, you White Sox fans are disillusioned. You actually think that Damon makes them an elite AL team. I don’t know where you get Alex Rios typical season of 20+ HR’s…he has hit 20 HR’s once in his career (2007). His career OBP is .330. He is no lead-off man and if heis batting 5th then your team is hurting. Someone had Damon batting 3rd…now, you are really reaching… Damon hitting 3rd for an elite AL team? That is hilarious. He definitely couldn’t play OF for them…him and Pierre together couldn’t get into the IF without a cut.

    His best fit is with the Braves. Though, I wouldn’t say he makes them elite…just think he is the best fit. Probably will get the most money from Detroit…so, I’m sure thats where he’ll go. They can say what they want but its always about the money. If the Royals offered him a 2 yr/18 mil contract, he would sign in a second…who cares about winning? No way he can live the rest of his life off the 9 figures he has pulled in over the last 10-15 yrs.

  76. jwsox 5 years ago

    i still say that if it is down to the tigers and wsox I would bet he would go for the sox becuase he seems like the type that yes wants money but at the same time wants to win. Agreed with the cell being more friendly to him and I could see Kenny giving him like 4-5 base+2-3 incentive and doing a one yr deal and not offering him ARB next season so he can have a better year and go out and get that bigger deal…At the same time I could see Kenny giving him like 2-3 yr deal and just cutting jones from the roster…Although I would rather see jones make the team and not kotsay

  77. jwsox 5 years ago

    2010 6 million guaranteed plus 3 million in incentives. 2011 club option for 8 million with 2 million in incentives with a 2 million dollar buy out and a guarantee that the club will not offer ARB

  78. jwsox 5 years ago

    i still dont see what the royals didnt sign him as much as they love to lock up random out fielders who cant field

    • TimotheusATL 5 years ago

      Easy answer: His OBP is too high and he’s a good baserunner.

  79. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    So Chicago plans to get him by offering him the same amount as the Braves but less than the Tigers? Especially when he said he wanted to play for Atlanta and the Tigers are the only ones actually trying to net his services.

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      sweet, i love it when i’m in the middle of typing and my computer automatically posts what I have written so i have to comment on my own post to finish my statement. Anywho, if Johhny wants the money, he should take the Tigers. If he wants to win, his best bet would be the Braves. And I’m not just saying that due to me being a fan. Consider this. No way in hell anyone in the NL central beats the Twins so the Tigers or White Sox would have to hope that they can take the Wild card away from the Yankees, Red Sox (depending on who wins the division) and the Angels, Mariners (same deal). Seeing as how the Yankees are the Yankees, the Redsox have done well this offseason, the MAriners have done extremely well and the Angels still looking strong, I don’t see the White Sox or Tigers as legitimate AL playoff contenders. Both strong clubs, but not strong enough. Now if he were on the Braves, he’d be on a team that’s a little more evenly matched with playoff contending teams like the Phillies, Cubs, Cardinals, Dodgers and Rockies. See what I’m saying? But of course the best thing to have done would be to take the Yankees offer but he’s a moron and didn’t.

      • shenk1631 5 years ago

        Honestly not too bright if you believe the Twins are such a “lock” for the AL Central. As a White Sox fan, I think our pitching alone makes us an instant contender.

        • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

          i’m not saying you aren’t gonna contend, I’m saying you’re not gonna win. Would I rather you guys win? Without a doubt!!! I’ve always thought of the White Sox as a team I would choose if I had to pick a favorite AL team. I also think that the desire is going to be there more than any team in the league.

          • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

            the twins desire i mean

  80. jwsox 5 years ago

    It would make more sense for him to play in chicago its wayy more of a hitters park(thus allowing him to raise his stock next off season) and it gives him a better chance to win again. Also I simply dont understand the tigers interest. They had granderson clearly a better over all player. They had him for more years and less money each season

  81. J. Damon’s career numbers:

    Comerica Park (Detroit): .961 OPS in 189 PA

    The Cell (Chicago): .743 OPS in 260 PA

    Damon has a .980 OPS at Turner (ATL) but that’s based on a much smaller sample.

    • danks50 5 years ago

      Why in the world are Damon’s Comerica Park numbers continually brought up. Does it maybe have something to do with inflated numbers facing many awful Tigers pitching staffs throughout the years? Why people actually bring this up as if it has any bearing on a increase in numbers going from the number #1 home run park to Comerica which is more of a pitchers park makes no sense.

      • whitesoxfan424 5 years ago

        Although the sox have a good rotation this year, we haven’t had a good rotation the length of damon’s career. A guy’s number can be indicative of his future success/failure at a ballpark.

  82. jwsox 5 years ago

    dang there is alot of white sox hate here…I forgot that everyone in the world loves the other team in Chicago because its a fad to love the cubs, thus leading to disrespect for the chisox…Need i remind people mark buehrle had a 13-10 with a 3.8 era…not great but not that horrible considering the dude perfect gamed the rays….floyd gets better every year and danks literally had gotten better every year and every single analyist and scout says that both gavin and john are two of the better pitchers in the game considering their service tiem and that both of them could top a rotation some day. and this is all with having what the 3rd worst offense last season. Lets not forget we have one of the top 5 right handers in the game on our staff now peavy was 3-0 with a low low low era with the sox and that was “85%” says peavy…but of course because they are not the cubs no one thinks they will do anything….

    what have the twins done? added a old back up DH who can only hit mistake pitches and fastball..and only hit 25 hrs last season…and they added an aging 2nd basemen who got benched last season for ronnie belliard, and JJ hardy who doesnt really hit that much different that teahan yet teahan is worse then him for some reason.

    .last season teahan hit 34- doubles, 12 hrs, .269 avg .331 obp .419 slg….where as hardy hit 16 doubles 11 hrs .262 avg .323 obp .428slg….yet the twins are soo much better….
    catcher is no match the twins have it and same with closer(although a healthy jenks is one of the best out there along with nathan)

    1st base PK .277 28hrs—–justin .280 30 hr…so very very close..a healthy pk and a healthy morneau are two of the best most under rated 1st basemen

    2nd base gordon .270 14 hrs in 103 games .340 obp .460slg —O-dawg .280 9hrs .357 obp .417slg..so again very very close

    SS hardy .262avg 11 hrs .323 obp .428slg——Alexi .277 15 hrs .326obp .430slg…yet again very very close

    3rd brendan harris .261avg 6 hrs .324obp .396 slg–teahan .270avg 12 hrs .325obp .408slg again very close

    LF Juan .308 0hr .365 obp .392 slg–young .284 12 hrs .308 obp .425 slg

    CF Rios .247avg 17 hr .296obp .395slg—span .311 8hr .392obp .415slg

    RF Carlos .236 21 hrs(99 games) .323 obp .456 slg—cuddyer .276 32 hrs .343obp .520slg

    DH jones .214 17 hr(82 games) .323obp .459slg–kubal .300 28 hr .396obp .530slg

    this was starters….mauer and AJ mauer obviously wins…1st is a push…2.push could go either way probably to gordon 3rd…Teahan wins…SS Alexi wins….LF..Juan wins for avg young wins for ops so push…CF..Span wins but rios has hrs RF is hard to say due to health those stats cuddyer wins clearly btu a healthy carlos puts up similar numbers…win for now twins but really a push…DH was based on who is penciled in as 2010 stater…Given that Jones only played half a season if u multiply by 2 to get full season stats that the number are close except for AVG which kubal wins…

    so again the offense is very very simial..the rotation clearly is better for the whitesox i dare anyone to argue that…bullpen is very similar and a helthy gives nathan a run for his money..so besides rotation these teams are very similar so i dont get this TWIN love and TWINs are locks when relly its either team

    • While the twins always do good, I would go with the upper hand to the sox because of the rotation.

    • danks50 5 years ago

      “so again the offense is very very simial”

      When you look #1-5/6 through their lineup and see a bunch of high OBP guys with a middle of the lineup of Mauer/Morneau/Cuddyer/Kubel it looks like their gonna score alot of runs. When I look at the White Sox it really comes down to two guys, if Quentin can get back to form and Rios and come closer to his career numbers (which looks fairly likely) they’ll be ok. They still don’t have the tablesetters at the top and 3/4 elite punch the Twins have to score a ton of runs but other than the glaring inexcusable hole at DH the sox have a bunch of average to good offensive players that can hopefully score just enough runs to support their monster staff.

      • jwsox 5 years ago

        glaring hole at DH? what hole at DH its going to be Jones, or Carlos. Jones said he wants to be a starter. I saw a pic recent pic of him he lost a ton of weight and said he wants to compete to start. And I could see it happening. So then If jones comes into camp in shape and gets a starting spot and Carlos is the DH then there is no hole at all for DH…and Jones also hit 17 hrs last season in literally half a season. So again i dont understand the hole at dh

      • jwsox 5 years ago

        also the twins obp is not far from the sox and i some cases higher for the sox…there are only 2 players with a ton highers OBP and thats kuddyer and kubal

    • whitesoxfan424 5 years ago

      Remember they’re in a new ballpark this season, so half of their stats could considerably increase or decrease.

      The early and late season games are going to be cooold, meaning less flight on the flyballs, less homeruns and more catch-able doubles. Cuddyer and Kubel could be hurt by this, so could Q, Rios, Konerko…

      Either way, let’s let the teams play instead of blindly, and biased-ly, siding with the sox.

  83. Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

    Detroit would be INSANE to offer more than 1 year and more than $5MM to Damon. I absolutely have to disbelieve Heyman on this. Then again, other GM’s that I respected have made even worse moves, like paying $10MM for Sheets on a rehab project, so I suppose anything is possible.

  84. Macfan1 5 years ago

    “posted by tigers22 9 hours ago

    MORE? more than 14? Good god DD…”

    ++++++++++++++

    LOL, I don’t know what you owner was thinking, I haven’t heard another team even in that same ballpark, he must really, really want Damon badly.

    If I would predict Damon’s numbers for next season

    *immediately he is going to a weaker lineup, wherever he goes so his numbers will decline on that fact alone

    *he is going to be playing in parks that don’t have the rightfield where you can hit 17 HR at home out of 24 total and put up an OPS of ..915 at home, .795 away, a 120 point difference.

    *He won’t be surrounded by Jeter, Tex, Arod in the order, which meant tons of opportunities and good pitches to hit.

    *Unless he DH’s as well his defense will be more exposed in a weaker lineup, where his outfield arm and range will come into play, it was masked in Yankee Stadium because the Yankees led the majors in Runs, RBI’s, HR’s, Hits, Walks, OBP, SLG, OPS. They could just batter every team on offense and defense was less of an importance to save runs.

    After all even with playing in Yankee Stadium, his arm was -4.2 runs below average, range -3.7 runs below average, UZR of -9.2 runs below average, with 5 errors as a Left Fielder.

    That is not going to just get better playing in parks that favor pitching and defense and plays bigger than Yankee Stadium, whoever gets him had better have a DH spot open as well for some of the time.

    If I would predict his 2010 season I would say

    .280-.285 AVG, 13-15 HR, 65-70 RBI’s, 29 2B, 148 H

    Homeruns and RBI’s which are much more in line with his career norms, he is not putting up career seasons at 36 outside of Yankee Stadium and those 81 home games that Right Field benefited him.

  85. bravesfansince93 5 years ago

    I’d like Damon, but please Braves, whatever you do, do NOT get in a bidding war for Damon.

    • NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

      I don’t think we will, Frankie already said that he’s happy with the club as it is. And offering him 4 mil is already stretching the team wallet, even with 2 mil deferred.

  86. disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

    After reading all these posts from White Sox fans, a lot of your “ifs” are being taken for granted.
    How about if:
    Carlos Quentin lands on the DL, the same as every year
    Pitchers learn how to work Beckham
    Konerko, AJ numbers decline as they become a year older and slower
    Freddy Garcia gets smacked around
    Alex Rios is the same Alex Rios of the past 3 years
    Bobby Jenks has another year like last year
    Mark Teahan turns out to be average at best, at the plate and at 3rd
    JJ Putz is not 100% after elbow surgery
    Juan Pierre shows why he was a 4th outfielder last year with possibly the worst arm in all of baseball.
    The DH committee of Vizquel/Kosay/Jones turns into a trainwreck

    Many of those are not just possibilities, but probabilities.
    We can all wish for whatever we want. As a Cub fan, my wish list is

    Zambrano grows up and wins 20 games
    Marmol has pinpoint control and 50 saves as closer
    Soriano gets back to being a 40/40 guy like he was in Washington
    Soto returns to his Rookie of the year form
    Randy Wells gets even better and wins 18-20 games

    If everybodies “ifs” and “wishes” come thru, both sides of town will win 120 games

    • shenk1631 5 years ago

      I understand your point, but at the same time “ifs” and “wishes” are what the start of spring training is all about for every team across the league. You of all people should be familiar with that! What if….”This is the year!”

    • whitesoxfan424 5 years ago

      If all my “ifs” and “wishes” came thru, the sox better win more than 120 games.

      In all seriousness though, you are very right. Atleast have of those scenarios are more than probable. That’s not being pessimistic, that’s being realistic. However, you can make the same argument for nearly every team.

    • jwsox 5 years ago

      I get the what ifs but a few things carlos’s DL stints have been on freak injuries which is why him splitting time at DH will be good for him…also Your rios of the next 3 yrs comment makes no sense If Rios is like he was the past 3 yrs except for last season his average year is a .290+ avg and 20+hr year..if rios has that the sox are golden

      if freddy gets smacked around thats what hudson is there for

      Jenks is a good closer he lost alot of weight and was bad last year due to injury

      if teahan is average then thats not a bad thing at all

      putz and the doctors said he was fully recovered and he is not going to be a closer he is a set up guy so its ok if he is not 100%

      Pierre was only a 4th OF becuase of Kemp, manny, and either, besides the past 2 yrs he has been a starter and a good one..weak arm yes but one of the fastest guys in the game, one of the best bunters(main reason kenny got him) in the game and a solid .300 avg hitter

      I do agree that they are all ifs..heck if everything came true peavy will win the cy youngs, mark will throw another no hitter and win 18 games, gavin will win 20 and danks will win 17 all eras will be under 3 with whips right around 1…
      as for your cubs comments there are a few problems

      Big Z has never won close to 20 games, mainly becuase of the team behind him and his temper…Marmol is a bad closer and im surprised they went with him over the other candidates out there..Soriano is on the down side and will never be a 40/40 ever again..Soto needs to lay off the ganja to be his rookie form again…wells is still to young to say stuff like that

  87. jwsox 5 years ago

    also to about the what ifs they happen all the way up until the world series. But the point of these boards and forums are for us fans to argue and fight with each other for fun to pass the time untill spring training. I doubt anyone here takes anything seriously or gets mad. Man If i had my what ifs the sox would win 135 games, the cubs would win 100 the yankees would win like 90. the Bosox win like 70, the M’s win around 90…the sox beat the yankees in the ALCS with a dual no hitter between peavy and CC and carlos walks it off. The world series is the White sox and Cubs, the series goes to the 7th game with the cubs ahead by 2 runs, Marmol walks the bases loaded and Gordon Beckham walks it off to win…haha that would be awesome

  88. mmwatkin 5 years ago

    No one lives in the actual city and Atlanta gets more rain.

    Try and think of something original to bash Detroit on

  89. mmwatkin 5 years ago

    I live in the Detroit area (in a city that is ranked above Atlanta in many “best places to live) and there are tons of nice areas to live in.

    Also, I don’t see why the Tigers would be worse than the Braves. They were actually competitive in their division (not 7 games out like some teams…) and had higher attandance (b-b-but…everyone in DetRIOT lives in boxes!!!)

  90. jwsox 5 years ago

    also if that were the lineup i feel it would be better if it went something like this

    1 Juan(lf)
    2 Gordon(2nd)
    3Damon(DH)
    4Carlos(RF)
    5 AJ(c)
    6 PK(1st)
    7Rios(CF)
    8 Teahan (2rd)
    9Alexi(ss)

    the only thing i might change there is flipping gordon and damon

  91. You aren’t making the playoffs with Alex Rios batting 5th. Sorry.

  92. disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

    The Sox have no need for a DH. You already have Omar Vizquel and Mark Kotsay. How does it get any better than that?

  93. jwsox 5 years ago

    nix stole 10 bases last year and was only thrown out i want to say 2 times…and that was in 1/3 of a seasons worth of at bats…..I doubt it KW and Boras dont work very well together but at the same time Kw could be like, look Boras I dont like you you dont like me but i want damon make this work

  94. Suzysman 5 years ago

    Kotsay would have to be released if they signed another DH/OF – which really makes a Damon signing expensive. But Jones hits better, plays better defense and is capable of playing center. Kotsay would have to be the odd man out for the better of the team.

    Then Teahen is possibly the worst fielding 3B in the game, so he will get lots of time off. Nix will be needed to cover 3rd as he is a much better hitter then Lillibridge. Brent really has no business being near a ML roster, he could barley post a 700 OPS in the high minors!

  95. Suzysman 5 years ago

    Rios would be a better leadoff hitter then Pierre. Juan’s low OBP and inability to make it past 1B* destroys the leadoff value his speed would imply.

    (*unless when stealing, but he gets caught so often there that he is actually costing his team more then helping by running)

  96. Did you see Rios’ OBP last year? Let me refresh your memory – .296.

  97. billmelton 5 years ago

    I don’t see KW dealing with Boras and paying this much for Damon. I think if he’s willing to fork over the amounts discussed, I would much prefer him signing A-Gon or Adam Dunn during the season.

  98. 0vercast 5 years ago

    I see the Twins and Sox with around 90-98 wins each in another tight divisional race. I see Detroit at 78-80 wins and KC and CLE as punching bags, esp CLE.

  99. I think you’re over-valuating your team. I see the Soxs at about 86 – 89 wins.

  100. billmelton 5 years ago

    Maybe they’ve caught Favre-itis…

  101. You’re the one who sound arrogant.

  102. jwsox 5 years ago

    you are assuming that he has the exact same season as he did last year. And does not bounce back to typical rios .280+ 20+hrs 20+sbs….if he has that kind of season we are in great form if he has a end of last season, season we are screwed.

  103. Suzysman 5 years ago

    One years fluke season does not erase ability.

    Besides, Rios last year at -11.7 wRAA is still within 3-4 wRAA of Pierre every single season from 2005-2008

  104. Suzysman 5 years ago

    Of players with 1K+ innings the last three seasons, only E5 (Encarnacion), Wiggington and Cantu have worse UZR/150s at third while Teahen is basically in a tie with Josh Fields. Yeah, remember that guy? :/

  105. billmelton 5 years ago

    If the Sox were to leak anything, it certainly wouldn’t be to him…

  106. I think you are right. His numbers will no doubt be better at The Cell both defensively and offensively. He will get more time to rest at DH in Chicago. Plus Kenny will probably give him a 1yr/5mm deal with a 1mm buyout for next year. That will push the total to 6mm guaranteed which should get the job done.

    He wants to compete and he wants better numbers to push his HOF chase (he is closing in on 3000 Hits and 300 HR for his career if he plays 4 more years). He doesn’t want to go to the NL and have to play everyday on the field. It just makes sense for him to go to Chicago.

  107. disgustedcubfan 5 years ago

    I think Damon will sign with whoever offers him the most money, end of story.

  108. jwsox 5 years ago

    agreed I can say right now the /yakees are truly the only better team…The bosox have a ton of potential but who knows if lackey/ backet/ diceK will be healthy…they have a 9million dollar back up in lowell who cant play due to injury…Ortiz cant hit anything anymore cuz he cant use roids…cameron is on the fast downside of his offensive career. JD DREW has yet to truly pan out into what they thought they would get…A full season of Vmart catching is nothing to brag about. J pap was shaky last season, they lost a huge part of their bullpen. MArko had a career year in the mid 30’s in a contract year so who knows if he will even come close to that…They can be one of the best in the AL but alot of people have to be healthy and have to have similar years as last year. Where as the Whitesox simply need to be healthy and comfortable.

    The M’s are the other scary team but only because of ichiro, and chone at the top and felix and cliff at the top of the rotation other than that they are a mystery every where…will milton get it together, can the other players hit who knows…The angles got joel pinero(ohhh) not scary they lock lackey, chone, and vlad. The rangers are more scary then them….

    the reys could make a run again but the same with the as the bosox alot has to fall into place…

    looking at the whitesox….they have the strongest rotation 1-5 with a potential great pitcher in the 6 hole…
    peavy, buehrle, gavin, and danks is one of if not the best 1-4 in the game If freddy can do what he did last season we are golden…the bullpen is strong due to putz being healthy, thorton getting even better and jenks losing weight…
    So adding Damon a great all around hitter, speed, and power to an already potent line up with carlos, beckham,aj, Konerko and alexi, if rios returns to form and if teahan can be anything around solid we will be great

  109. Suzysman 5 years ago

    As a fan of both Chicago teams that tries to stay as honest as possible about both – I would have to say you might be a little over-optimistic.

    To touch on just some of the issues

    First – a second year player who has only played 4 games at 2B slated to start there. But no back up to him really and his old position mis-filled by…

    Second – Teahen. Like explained above, he is one of the worst fielders in the game. I know you gave Fld%, but Fld% doesnt even begin to factor all the balls he doesnt get anywhere near that he should. Advanced metrics do though, and they say he is beyond bad. Oh, and he is only about league average with the bat on a good day to top it off. Really, 2 years from now the contract Kenny gave him will likely be the brunt of jokes.

    Third – Juan Pierre. Are you kidding me Kenny, Juan Pierre??? Juan Pierre has this amazing ability to slap at every single pitch thrown creating exciting, but worthless, ground-outs to second or short on every play. Then when he miraculously gets on, he decides he doesnt want to stay there and walks back to the bench way too often. To give you a better idea, factor his SB/CS into his OBP and SLG lines. You get a .308 OBP and .426 SLG over the last 5 years. Remember all the grief Rios was getting in the press at the time the White Sox acquired him? Yeah, and his line at the time was .317 OBP and .427 SLG – better on both counts to what Pierre has averaged the last 5 seasons when SB/CS are favored into the slash-lines!

    Forth – Rios is a better LO option then Pierre, but how much will Rios bounce back? Honestly, its anyones guess.

    Fifth – Que-HR or Que-DL? Which one will we see?

    Six – third worst offense last year and 2 of the 4 best hitters from 09 are gone. Its something to remember because they have been replaced (in the end) by Jones/Kotsay and Rios – almost impossible for those 3 to provided the production lost in Dye/Thome (on kind of bad years for them). Meanwhile Getz is also replaced with Teahen. But believe it or not, that might not be much of an upgrade (especially when Defense is factored into it – and Gets wasnt even a good fielder!)

    Seven – The Danks results didnt match ability shown at all, Floyd spiked like crazy which might not be repeated and Peavy is still an unknown in the tougher league/park. Plus we have the beyond questionable defense almost all over the field behind the pitchers which will only compound possible issues.

    The team really is a tossup right now. They could be great if things go right. They could be horrific just as easily though and I would hold off on being overly optimistic for now.

  110. jwsox 5 years ago

    I dont see why not there was 10+ million off the book with Jd gone, another 10 plus with thome, 6+ i believe with Dotel…as it stand the 2010 payroll is only about 3-4 million more than 2009 but its still 20 million less than 08…And considering how much jerry loves his whitesox, he was quoted saying his 1 05 World Series Championship means more than all 6 of his NBA championships with the bulls. I could see him adding some payroll to solidify the team with damon as the DH…oh ps “Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb” awesome name dude

  111. jwsox 5 years ago

    thats true maybe they could finally move linebrink eat some salary and move him back to the nl

  112. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    i’ll give you the superior pitching definitely but guess what pal? ERA and WHIP don’t add up to win ballgames but Runs do. And I think that Twins lineup is far superior to yours. That’s why the Braves didn’t get into the playoffs last year. The lineup and bullpen were awesome but the lineup didn’t produce

  113. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    correction: the ROTATION and bullpen were awesome. Kinda hard for something to be awesome and bad at the same time

  114. It only takes one run to win. With the other team not scoring any we’ll win. Of course I’m overstating it, but with out rotation and pen(anyone remember when the sox pen was a laughing stock) we won’t need to score a ton of runs to win, cuz our staff will keep the opposite team under control. I still don’t get why people think the twins have such a great lineup, they are putting just as much faith into their lineup as the sox. with a recover from Morneau = hoping for a recovery from Q bounce back from jj = bounce back from rios and that Odog can produce all season long = MT producing all year long. So they have the same situation except Mauer one guy can’t make that big of difference o wait he might be able to. but our staff blows theirs out of the water. blows your staff and weak offense which I would say ours is better then out of the water.

  115. I can’t post a link without it being approved, but:

    Johnny Damon’s text reply to AJC about possibility of an offer from Braves: “I hope. They are definitely a team that is on top of the list.”

  116. It’s a stretch to call the Braves offense week. As for the rotation question, there is no doubt that the Braves is better.

    Peavy = Hanson
    Buehrle < Jurrjens
    Danks < Hudson
    Floyd < Kawakami
    Garcia < Lowe

    There isn't even a question.

  117. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    Trust me bro, a dominant rotation definitely helps, but like I said, you need offense too. I didn’t say you guy weren’t gonna win, I said you’d have trouble making the playoffs in the AL. Some AL teams that have been left out of the playoffs would have made it in the NL. It’s not that NL teams are worse, it’s that they sometimes have worse records because everyone beats up on each other

  118. danks50 5 years ago

    This is so ridiculously biased I’m not gonna go into a deep analysis, instead I’ll just point out that you believe Tommy Hanson with less than a full season under his belt is already better than Jake Peavy, Danks is worse than the 34 year old declining Hudson and Floyd and his 163 strikeouts and nasty curve is worse than Kawakami.

  119. Really a stretch when most braves fans I’ve talked to agree it is. What have you guys improved from last years offense probably subtracted. and the pitching doesn’t even compare Some experts place the south side at number 2 best rotation in all yes all of mlb. Most are placing them in the top five. the braves aren’t even in the top five.

  120. shenk1631 5 years ago

    By far the most idiotic post I’ve ever seen. First of all, let’s be honest and say that you are probably about 1 for 5 in your comparisons. That’s giving you the fact that I’ll say your #5 Lowe is better than Garcia. If I chose to make a ridiculous comparison of my own I would say that Daniel Hudson is better than Lowe…which at this point is far from the truth. It’s also absurd to compare pitchers from the AL to the NL when you use the point of Peavy being a worse pitcher this year because he is going to a “harder” league.

    As far as the Braves offense being weak…I don’t think that is true either. If Terry Pendleton decides to suit up I would say the Braves may regain their dominance of the NL East once again.

  121. Suzysman 5 years ago

    1) Beckham’s bat isnt what was being questioned. Although it would be shortsighted to ignore the possibility of a sophomore slump, I figure he will hit fine. But if he doesnt adjust well to second with the glove, then the team has a big issue.

    2) No. Just no. Teahen has averaged a .322 wOBA the last three seasons – tied with Ryan Theriot and Vernon Wells for 115th lowest of the 132 qualified players. Ironically, its also tied with Pods and only a couple points higher then Juan Pierre with his .319. (that alone should tell you how bad the mark actually is) But to expand further, its a point lower then Wilson Betemit the last three seasons! Really, each and every one of the last three seasons Teahen has shown only average OBP ability coupled with below average power. He isnt a heleva hitter, he is an average at best hitter with no defensive ability making him a liability at 3rd, a below average corner outfielder and replacement level DH. He really is THAT bad, one of the worst starters in the game the last three seasons.

    3) No, just no. Pierre has great speed and foolish base-running ability (just like Pods). He was worth negative runs with his speed last season and almost every season before. And no, he isnt an upgrade to Pods, the two are about as equal as you can find – Pods just fluctuates up and down as he sees BAbip variances where Pierre meets the mean because everything is in play.

    Also, Pierre isnt even close to as good as Kenny could find – Juan will end up costing more money on a longer term deal (plus the prospects) then many FA who would be considered much better. Shoot, Andrew Jones is projected to be about a 10 runs better with the bat and would probably be about equal on defense from Left. Pierre has a reputation that he flat out doesnt deserve at all. He has the most hollow average in the history of the game because of his complete inability to hit a ball out of the infield (see “Yes, but it’s an empty .300″ at Hardballtimes) and his speed has always been more detrimental then helpful.

    4) Rios works in the LO spot because A) It keeps Pierre out of that spot and B) he gets himself around the bases really well without relying on HR power – his combined 06-08 doubles, triples and SB rates are so much higher then Pierre. So not only does he get on as much to much higher then Pierre, he also gets around the bases much better. Rios in a later spot will waste his getting on and around the bases; players like Teahen, Ramirez and AJ should not be expected to drive him in with their limited skills.

    Pierre (if he must be used) should be used in the 9 spot so he gets limited PA but has players who will actually get on and around the bases behind him in case he finds a way to make it to first.

  122. Yes. Tommy Hanson, with one season under his belt, will preform near Jake Peavy, whose is:

    A. Is switching from a easier league to a harder one for pitchers.
    B. Is moving from one of the best pitcher’s parks to one of the best launching pads.

    20 Innings is too small a sample.

    Hudson is a pro, a true veteran and has shown no signs of declining, even before the injury… However, in a few years, Danks will be the better pitcher, kid’s got a bright future. Floyd and his 163 strikeouts and nasty curve is just that, a strikeout pitcher. Kawakami pitches to contact. You really can’t compare the two. However, Kenshin does a better job at preventing runs. He’s a very underrated pitcher, kinda like Floyd.

    It’s not ridiculously biased, it’s the truth.

  123. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    that is true, but the statement I’m thinking of goes something like this: “When asked who did Johhny Damon want to play for? The Braves”. That wording might not be totally accurate but it’s something like that. He was asked who he wanted to play for and responded the braves.

  124. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    what experts are these? And who do they put in the top 5? Plenty of sources I’ve heard from put the Braves at pretty damn close to the top. Here’s my top 5 just for sh!ts and giggles.
    1. Red Sox
    2. Braves
    3. White Sox
    4. Yankees
    5. Cardinals or Rockies

  125. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    I’m not disagreeing with Kris Noble here, I am agreeing with your statement about it being hard to compare because they have different responsibilities that add a little extra effort. AL pitchers have to face nine batters as opposed to the NL pitcher having to face 8, but the NL pitcher also has to hit while the AL pitcher gets a little extra rest-on-the-bench time

  126. I’m not questioning which pitcher is more talented between Peavy and Hanson. I’m saying that, due to their leagues, they will post similar stats. That is the only controversial decision, the rest is the truth.

  127. Buster Olney, Ken Rosenthal Jon Heyman, MLB Network.

  128. So do you guys.

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