Lincecum, Giants Agree To Two-Year $23MM Deal

The Giants agreed to sign Tim Lincecum to a two-year $23MM contract today, avoiding arbitration with the right-hander and giving themselves cost certainty for two of Lincecum's four arbitration years. The deal, which is pending a physical, came together after the Giants delayed their arbitration hearing with the two-time Cy Young Award winner. Lincecum, who was arbitration-eligible for the first time as a Super Two player, filed for $13MM. The Giants countered with $8MM. 

Lincecum will make $8MM this year and $13MM next year. He'll also receive a $2MM signing bonus spread over the course of two seasons.

The Giants offered a three-year $37MM deal in advance of Friday's expected hearing, but Lincecum and agent Rick Thurman rejected it. The club had offered Lincecum a two-year $21MM deal before, only to see his representatives counter with $25MM for the same period. 

Craig Calcaterra of NBC Sports first reported that the sides had reached a two-year deal. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports explained previous negotiations and tweeted the total value of the deal. Jon Heyman of SI.com added the yearly breakdown via TwitterYahoo's Tim Brown first reported that the sides had delayed their hearing and were making progress on a deal.


75 Responses to Lincecum, Giants Agree To Two-Year $23MM Deal Leave a Reply

  1. Hey Kelvin Says 5 years ago

    A deal? Damn I was hoping of him winning the Arb hearing.

    Hopefully the deal is only for his arb years and is north of 40 million, and south of 54 million.

    • pnedwek 5 years ago

      Can you imagine how the Giants would argue the two Cy Young Awards? “um…he won them via fluke. I had him on my fantasy team and he only did well 75 % of the time and most Cy Young award winners are higher than that” or some other lame excuse…

      • I don’t think fantasy value in a keeper league is brought up in negotiations of millions of dollar contracts. Other notes that are usually not brought up are MLB2K9 stats, and/or his likeness on The Show 09…

  2. My call is a a three-year deal, $42 million. 11, 14, and 17, nice and tidy. This would leave his last arbitration year open, when the Giants should be considerably closer to payroll flexibility as Zito and Rowand’s contracts rumble towards the finish without painting themselves into a corner for contracts down the line for their in-house talent (see also: Cardinals, St. Louis and Holliday, Matt).

    • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

      Agreed. It would the equivalent of a win win scenario.

    • I’m saying that they offer two options: 3/50, or 3/40. Then they go out behind the stadium and let it ride on a sweet game of dice in the alley. Tim can supply the “medicinal” narcotics and they can all be happy regardless of the results.

      • BattingThird_Number34 5 years ago

        I’m no economist, but I bet Tiny Tim would chose the latter of your options. Again, not an economist…

        • Maybe you’re not an economist, but you’re no super sleuth either… read the response again and realize he doesn’t have control of the outcome, only a hot hand and a rapist wit can land him the 3/50…

  3. jb1996 5 years ago

    I think Lincecum should take the offer form the Giants.

  4. I’m saying 3 years 45 million (13/15/17) with a club option for ’13 at 18 million

    • Hey Kelvin Says 5 years ago

      I was actually in my college class, saying the exact same thing.

      13
      15
      17
      Makes sense for now, with that being the annual salary and bonuses included for winning another Cy young or finishing second and third in it.

    • jhfdssdaf 5 years ago

      I think the Giants look for a moral victory, and pay less than 13 mil for this year. I like the 3/$45M framework, but I think its a little less this year (but still more than $10M) and a little more in the third year. I don’t see a club option for the fourth year though. He’s still under team control in that fourth year, and arb eligible. Having a club option merely prevents him from going to arbitration if he has a couple more good seasons. Good for the Giants, terrible for Lincecum. Mutual option, I can see. Club option, and his agent should be drawn and quartered.

      • Moral victory, ding ding ding. You can’t hand Lincecum $13 million without looking like total clowns, and the Giants know it. Thus why I said $11 million this year in my comment above: It’s a middle ground figure that favors Lincecum. If we’re talking $45 million, I could easily see 11.5-15-18.5, or something less scaled with incentive bonuses, given how young Lincecum is. But I can’t see the Giants handing Lincecum as much as $12 million without leaving with their tails between their legs.

        • jhfdssdaf 5 years ago

          I agree completely. There is also limited incentive for the Giants to sign a contract that has them paying $13M this year. Sure, they can lock up the future years and avoid arbitration next year, but that can be done after the arb hearing just as easily. If you’re going to offer a contract before arbitration, the Giants have to get something out of it too. I can see as much as $12M, but I think it’ll be closer to $11M.

  5. 55saveslives 5 years ago

    Looks like the Giants finally realized they need a double digit first year price!

    Get it done!!!

  6. alxn 5 years ago

    Seems like an appropriate amount of years for both sides. Next time they can buy out some free agency years, but it will be expensive.

  7. Two years, $23 million? That’s a STEAL. Well done on both sides! (Also, maybe this means the Giants have a little extra pocket cash for mid-season…)

    • DunkinDonuts 5 years ago

      At least from a Players’ Association and agent standpoint, if it’s a steal then it wasn’t well-done on both sides.

      • I think that if Lincecum is honest in his comments about wanting to play in San Francisco, than this is a wise move on his part. If you think about it, he’s still going to be ridiculously more wealthy than he was last year, so the difference of a couple million makes him potentially more affordable in the long run, gives the Giants more room to bring in pieces to make the team a true playoff contender, and doesn’t hurt his image, either.

        As for the Players Association and agents… These top-tier players don’t need to get paid $15-20 million a year. They just don’t. Look at payroll figures from the last two or three decades, and look how out of hand it’s gotten. Scott Boras and his breed are out and out bad for baseball, which has an ailing image and waning appeal. In the current economic climate, agents clawing for an extra $3 million isn’t going to reflect well on the sport. So frankly, they can cram it.

        • jhfdssdaf 5 years ago

          While I think the Player’s Association is concerned with Lincecum’s deal, I think they’ll be far more interested in other arbitration eligible players. All Lincecum’s deal does is set a cap (how can {insert name here} be worth $9 million if Lincecum only got $8? or He’s nowhere near as good as Lincecum, so why should we pay him more than 5-6?). I think the Players Association is far more concerned about middle of the road players like Hart, Theriot, and a few others. Driving their salaries higher helps far more players than driving up Lincecum’s. There will always be more “average” players than superstars.

        • The entire board will most likely agree that these players do not “need” 15-20m, yes, but it is hard to make the argument that they don’t deserve 15-20m. You know, I used to be on the bandwagon that Boras is ruining baseball, but he’s not at all.

          Tim Lincecum is making money hand over fist for the SFG organization. He is a mule for them. If it’s not Lincecum, it’s someone, somewhere. With profit sharing, we are all watching owners (TB, PIT, FLA) etc pocket money from the backs of more popular players like Lincecum, the Yankees, Pujols, the Red Sox, etc. You can hate Scott Boras demeanor, but he has brought overlooked stats and has attempted to (arrogantly) red flag these owners.

          All of us that are registering and reading and responding to each of these blogs are showing people like Lincecum’s agent, and Scott Boras, in a subtle way that we are still interested in the game and willing to pay for it.

          I have 0 problem with guys like Lincecum getting paid and in fact think that he should’ve got more.

          If you don’t think that you deserve more than what you are being paid at your day job, then you are the minority in that mindset. Each and every one of us, given the opportunity to receive 60k or 90k a year for the exact same job would choose the 90k without hesitation and would defend that in every way possible in our own personal arbitration that would be held daily among our fellow employees.

          Pay Tim his money, he EARNED it.

      • In a perfect negotiation/mediation neither party gets exactly what they want, and neither walk away completely mad at not receiving enough. I agree though, this seems like a steal for the Giants.

        Also, is anyone noticing what seems like a trend among the younger talent signing for low dollar values for guaranteed money? Yes, the key word there is guaranteed, but look at the extensions signed recently, Kemp, Ethier. I am sure we can all reference Lester, Braun, Tulo, etc with the obvious list topper Longoria. And then Lincecum today is a complete and total steal. Any reason why he would not win his arb case?

  8. bjsguess 5 years ago

    Looks like everyone was wrong on this.

    Frankly I see absolutely NO upside to this deal.

    Lincecum winning this year is a given. That’s $13m. Even if he sucks or gets hurt the most that his salary can be reduced by is 20%. That’s still $10m (unless he is cut due to a catastrophic injury).

    The only thing I can think of is that the Lincecum team was really concerned that they would NOT win in arbitration. If they were looking at a good shot of only making $8m this year then the extension makes sense.

    And whatever happened to asking for $23m THIS year. People like to rip Boras but that statement rivals anything that Boras has spouted.

    • Problems: Boras doesn’t represent Lincecum. And there was plenty of wild speculation about how much Lincecum would file for, particularly with comparisons to the Burnett and Sabathia signings with the Yankees, whose bookkeeping we all know has no grounding in reality. Lincecum and his agent likely filed for $13 million because they felt it was much more defensible than, say, $17 million. Again, it was well-played on all sides, though I don’t know why the Giants weren’t more proactive in negotiating with Lincecum unless they were playing chicken this whole time.

    • Suzysman 5 years ago

      “The only thing I can think of is that the Lincecum team was really concerned that they would NOT win in arbitration.”

      They probably wouldnt have. The highest amount awarded a pitcher in first year is 4.4 and the highest amount ever agreed upon to a pitcher is 6.25. There are numerous pitchers who produced similar results over the same amount of time, and only a microscopic few end up repeating the performance. History was not on his side for prior cases argument and history was against him on the past/possible future performance argument

      People were just making way too much of a stink in this whole thing. Really, Lincecum is not the freak of nature people proclaim – there are a ton of similar streaks from pitchers over the years. From the first reports saying he would be asking for 25 MM to people even insisting he would win at 13 MM – Lincecum was getting hype without a historical perspective taken into account at all. Tim himself apparently knew these things and was just checking to see how high the Giants were willing to go before accepting that amount. It’s the smart move as an arbitration case likely would have ended in the 8 MM while causing a rift between the sides since you are forced to sit and downplay or critique the player in a case.

      • coachofall 5 years ago

        Really? Seriously? Tons of similar streaks to start a career? Not a giants fan but the guy is the best pitcher in the bigs and he is still younger than most. There are great young pitchers in the game right now but they aren’t linc.

        • Suzysman 5 years ago

          So you think Tim Lincecum is the greatest pitcher in the game? Is he also destined for the HOF and possibly the best pitcher ever because of the 2.5 seasons?

          Look, I gave these stats to someone else yesterday, maybe you should have them as well.

          619 IP, 96G/90GS, 3.02 ERA, 1.146 WHIP, 6 CG, 3.05 SO/BB
          598 IP, 90G/89GS, 2.90 ERA, 1.151 WHIP, 6 CG, 3.12 SO/BB

          One is Tim from 2007-09 at the ages of 23-25, and the other is Ismeal Valdez from 1995-97 at the ages of 21-23. I’ll let you figure out which is which.

          So yes, these kinds of streaks happen from pitchers starting their careers much more often then people remember – mainly because the pitchers tank completely or fall to injury after the dominating 3 year runs. History is riddled with comparables and only a very few sustain the success.

          I’m excited about Lincecum and his amazing talent shown so far, I really hope we get to see arguably one of the best hitters ever (Pujols) and a pitcher in that class going at it against eachother the next 10 years or so. But history isnt on its side here at all.

          • coachofall 5 years ago

            Ismael Valdez? He doesnt have the same pitching pedigree. I can find a lot of Latin ball players who get by early on “stuff” Tim is a pitcher who has great stuff. And yess i feel the top two pitchers in the bigs right now are Linc and Halladay based on stuff and ablity to use it

          • alxn 5 years ago

            “I can find a lot of Latin ball players who get by early on “stuff” Tim is a pitcher who has great stuff.”

            Translation: Lincecum will be different because he is white.

          • coachofall 5 years ago

            NO he is a pitcher not a thrower. Look at their stuff at similiar points in there career. Only person who though Valdez had sustainable long term “stuff” was the GM of the Rangers.

          • markjsunz 5 years ago

            Valdez had some other issues when he was with the dodgers that hurt him. But you are correct there are many pitchers who had a start to a brilliant career through out the history of the game who for differenf reasons did not go on. Cleveland had a pitcher who took a line drive off of the ankle in an all star game and was never the same. The Dodgers in Brooklyn called up a guy named Karl Spooner who looked like a can not miss the next season he could not get anyone out. Ernie Broglio won 21 games for the cubs in 1962. The Cubs traded a struggling player by the name of Lou Brock for him. Broglio won only a handful of games the rest of his career and left baseball with a sore arm. These are just a few examples baseball is loaded with them. Lincecum is now a wealthy young man no matter what might befall him. If he is able to sustain his career he will earn a few hundred million, if not he is 23 million dollars richer today.

          • Suzysman 5 years ago

            “He doesnt have the same pitching pedigree. I can find a lot of Latin ball players who get by early on “stuff” Tim is a pitcher who has great stuff”

            Wait, what? Tim has “great stuff”, he isnt just getting by on “stuff” like “a lot of Latin ball players”? That sentence just hurts my head.

          • Lincecum_Says_GSP 5 years ago

            What he’s trying to say is there is a difference between a guy who just have good stuff and a guy who knows the art of pitching. That difference is mostly mental and is something that is usually aquired through a pitchers developmental process and experience. It’s the difference between a guy like Jonathan Sanchez and Tim Lincecum… both have incredible stuff but its apparent one is far ahead of the other in terms of understanding and applying the art of pitching.

          • bjsguess 5 years ago

            I actually do agree with you. You can find comparable pitchers to Lincecum in their first few years of playing. But, that doesn’t have any real impact on what Lincecum was set to earn in first arb year.

            Howard and Paps are the two best recent cases. Clearly Lincecum is significantly more valuable than Paps. Howard is the guy that you could argue one way or another. That said, with inflation and the low offer proffered by the Giants I think the odds are much better than 50/50 that Lincecum wins.

            And even if he doesn’t – this year will still pay him just $8m. I just don’t see the upside for Lincecum.

          • Suzysman 5 years ago

            Dontrell Willis (the recipient of the 4.4) is an extremely close comparable based off the aspects historically rewarded by a panel. His decision came in 2006, only 3 seasons ago. At the time however, salaries were still on a drastic increase instead of the crash we see today. Lincecum is better, especially in the advanced measures, but as far as a arbitration panels focus, the two are rather similar – one got 4.4 and people expect the other to get 13 (or more)?

            Also, Paps first four seasons leading up to his first arbitration year are arguably the best 4 year stretch of a closer in the history of the game. Lincecum, while great, has many comparables out there over the years. Arbitration cases would be closer to equal then you probably think. San Francisco would be able to run off countless examples of results from similar pitchers to Tim, but the Red Sox would be taking in two or three 4 year stretches from the peak years of HOFers to try and make their case that it isnt that special of a feet.

          • This post is an epic failure. Instead of cherry picking the stats that make your case, I’ll let the public know about two other stats that DRASTICALLY differentiate Lincecum from someone like Valdez.

            #1 – Valdez’s K/9 his first 2 seasons was 6.9. Lincecum has led baseball both years at 10.5. INCOMPARABLE.

            #2 – Valdez posted some nice ERAs, this is true. But so did the rest of baseball. His ERA+ the first 2 seasons was 117 and 125. Tiny Tim’s ERA+s? 169 and 176. To put Valdez’s seasons in perspective, Joel Piniero had an ERA+ of 118 this past season.

          • Suzysman 5 years ago

            while the inclusion of the phrase “epic failure” and multiple words presented in all caps has me questioning the point in replying to you, I will address your perceived points anyway.

            1) Lincecum struck out a bunch of guys, great. Meanwhile, Valdez walked many fewer guys and did it while 2 years younger in age. In the end you have two guys with almost identical K/BB rates over a three year span with one producing the numbers starting before he was able to drink while the other did so 2 years after that right.

            2) ERA+ doesnt actually mean much of anything. It’s taking an already situational and team affected stat (ERA) and comparing it against the situational and team affected stats of everyone else for that specific season. In fact, let’s say there are only 5 pitchers in the league – those being Lincecum, Holliday, Lee, Carpenter and Wainwright. Lincs ERA+ would be 92 while Carpenter would be 120. In the end, what does it really tell you?

            Besides, no one is claiming Tim didn’t have a fantastic three year stretch – just that such seasons are easier to find then people think.

          • markjsunz 5 years ago

            Here is a stat you cannot match. Two cy youngs in three seasons lincecum is a brilliant pitcher. You can spew new age stats all day long. General managers would laugh a guy out of his office with those stats. There is always a chance for injury as most pitchers do not go thru there careers without at least one, and there is always a chance of indifference once they get the big money like maybe a Barry Zito. But Lincecum is the most exciting pitcher to come along in years.I hope the Giants would go out of there way to sign him to a lifetime contract. The Bay area fans Deserve it.

          • Suzysman 5 years ago

            “Here is a stat you cannot match. Two cy youngs in three season”

            Like I told Jim, I can point to the 3 pitchers who received more 1st place votes those years, and a 4th pitcher who was within 2 1st place votes of him in 2009. He might have won those awards, but one is one of the closest votes ever between not 2 but 3 pitchers.

            “You can spew new age stats all day long. ”

            And that is the single most questionable statement given in this entire thread. What “new age” stats am I giving exactly when I made a case based off G, IP, ERA, WHIP, Complete Games and the ratio between Strikeouts to Walks? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think all those stats have been counted since before either of us were born.

            “General managers would laugh a guy out of his office with those stats. ”

            Nevermind, that is the most questionable statement given in this thread.

            “But Lincecum is the most exciting pitcher to come along in years.”

            Oswalt was better, and has kept up the production another 6 seasons after the three year run. Tim has a long, long way before he approaches the career so far presented by Roy. And Willis was every bit as exciting, if not more so. On a Florida team almost no one cared about, Dontrell became a near household name known as “D-Train”. Even my mother who could care less about baseball knows about “that ‘Train’ guy with the kick”.

      • “There are numerous pitchers who produced similar results over the same amount of time, and only a microscopic few end up repeating the performance.”

        I am not entirely sure what this is meant to state. There has been zero other pitchers who won Cy Young in both of their first two complete years. And by doing it two years in a row, I believe that by definition means that he repeated his performance. Moreover, by the numbers, I think it is pretty likely that Lincecum was actually the best pitcher in the NL for two years running.

        Meanwhile, the 6.25 million number was what Papelbon received, as a reliever, with no shiny hardware and no debate about him being the best pitcher in his league. Not even a serious statement about him being the best closer in his league, in fact. Consider that his argument would be this: Papelbon got 6.25 million. I have pitched 4 times the number of innings of that guy, annually, with an ERA still in the mid twos. And I have two Cy Youngs.

        Due to the difference of being a reliever vs a starter, I think there is a open and shut case for him to say his performance was worth at 50% more than Papelbon and a serious case to state that he is worth double. Considering he only had to show that he was worth over 10.5 million, and his floor value (relative to Papelbon) is probably over 9 million- I don’t see why he would have been unlikely to win. Not to say it was a lock by any means, but 50/50 seems reasonable.

        Despite your contention, I would say there really are no comparables for guys hitting arbitration following 2 consecutive Cy Youngs. In fact, though I haven’t checked the ERA+ stats, I’m doubtful that there are more than one or two guys (if any) who have put up that kind of performance over their first full years.

        • mflzone 5 years ago

          For a quick comparison, consider Lincecum’s first three seasons against those of Roy Oswalt.

          Lincecum vs. Oswalt
          Lincecum Oswalt ’01-03
          W-L 40-17 43-17
          ERA 2.90 2.92
          Starts 89 75
          Cy Youngs 2 0

          Cy Young is not the best argument but numbers are.

        • Suzysman 5 years ago

          “There has been zero other pitchers who won Cy Young in both of their first two complete years.”

          While very special, it isnt the end all-be all aspect either. SF could just as easily argue that he barley won the second, finishing 3rd overall between the two leagues in total 1st place votes and the fact he received fewer 1st place votes then the AL winner in 2008 as well – in total, 3 different pitchers received higher amounts of first place votes then Lincecum over the two years, with a 4th being within 2 votes. There are also other rewards which would be considered as well which even the gap more if presented properly to a panel.

          “with no shiny hardware and no debate about him being the best pitcher in his league.”

          Except arguably the best 4 year run of a closer ever in the history of the game where similar-to Lincecums performance can be found many times throughout history. Its all about what you can present to a panel, and howmuch you can downplay the significance. Being able to list off similar results to Tim without too much effort will minimize the perceived value of Lincecum, where being unable to find anything near a comparable outside a couple stretches by HOF pitchers in their peak seasons would make Paps run look almost impossible to pull off.

  9. humbb 5 years ago

    “Lincecum will make $9.5-10MM in 2010. That means he won’t break Howard’s record, which is a surprise.”

    If this is true, it is a major coup for the Giants and MLB owners. Nice job Sabes … way to stick it to the MLBPA while crafting a fair deal. And congrats to Timmy; a win-win!

    Finally, looks like the Giants have earned from the owners the right to keep their San Jose territorial rights … a major concern during this process. So look elsewhere Oakland.

  10. jhfdssdaf 5 years ago

    If the 2010 figure is accurate, I’m shocked that Lincecum was willing to sign. I thought he had a better than 50% chance of winning his arb hearing, so I would have expected him to want a first year salary closer to $13M than to $8M. Good deal for the Giants, a little security for Lincecum.

  11. strikethree 5 years ago

    Tim needs to get a new agent.

    • jhfdssdaf 5 years ago

      No kidding. I can’t imagine what the agent was thinking here. No way he should be making $9M this year (including half the signing bonus). I’m starting to wonder what incriminating photos Sabean has of Tim or his agent.

      • Aranathor 5 years ago

        Smokin’ da weed?
        Although not sure how that is incriminating…?

    • No, Tim needs to refer his agent to Sandoval!

  12. ezethan 5 years ago

    Not sure how this is better than the 3 year 37 million they reportedly turned down earlier…

    • skoz 5 years ago

      I was thinking the same thing. Has the 3/$37mil offer been verified?

  13. krazykrab55 5 years ago

    What an awesome deal for the Giants!! After this deal is done, we can sign him long term and cover some free agent years. These two years will also be a test of his durability before signing him long term. Congrats to Timmy and not all agents are like Boras, thank God!

  14. Rich_in_NJ 5 years ago

    The Giants’ reported offer yesterday was a pretty good indication that a deal was likely to happen. It seems to offer some degree of protection to both sides.

  15. humbb 5 years ago

    This seems better than the Giants actually winning the hearing, given the lack of any animosity between the sides and the thought of having to do this all over again next season.

    I have to believe that Timmy’s side was worried about the Giants arguing the “40% rule” and winning. I agree that the Freak would have had to look for a new agent in that case.

    Play Ball!

  16. Lincecame 5 years ago

    Glad this didn’t go to hearing. I hope that the next deal can get hammered out in advance, so it doesn’t get this close again. 2/23 is a great bargain, but I’m sure Lincecum realizes that when that’s over, he can sign for 200MM, so the extra couple mil doesn’t seem too bad.

    Let’s see if the Giants saving some money on this will give them the balls to make a decent trade at the deadline.

  17. Civilization 5 years ago

    After as much as the Giants fought with Timmy’s arbitration case, I don’t know if there still isn’t a bit of miffed feelings… Either way after these two years, do the Giants open the pocket books to keep Timmy around long term?

    • Given that the Giants had earlier offered 2/21 and Lincecum’s camp countered with 2/25… I’d say that this isn’t really grounds for him to be miffed, especially when you consider Lincecum’s comments about the whole process.

  18. Civilization 5 years ago

    After as much as the Giants fought with Timmy’s arbitration case, I don’t know if there still isn’t a bit of miffed feelings… Either way after these two years, do the Giants open the pocket books to keep Timmy around long term?

    • WillieMaysField 5 years ago

      If all goes well the next two years we’ll see a 5 or 6 year deal 90-120M.

      12 15M
      13 16M
      14 18M
      15 20M
      16 22M
      17 24M

      • codywh22 5 years ago

        No, it will be a 7 or 8 year deal for 160-200 from NYY no doubt. 7 and 161 (+9mill bonus)for Sabathia with 1 CY young and only 2 top 5 finishes. Pending and injury, Lincecum will no doubt get the biggest pitching contract in baseball history in 4 years, haveing at least 3 CY youngs and 5 top 5 finishes.

        • WillieMaysField 5 years ago

          The deal Im proposing covers Lincecum’s 2012 and 2013 arbitration years. If you want to say the Yanks sign him after 2013 that’s fine. If he stay’s healthy the Giants will offer him a 5 or 6 year 90-120M deal that includes 2012 and 2013 arb years. He could choose to wait the extra two years and become a FA or sign a huge deal that covers the two arb years and 3 or 4 FA years. The Giants can pay big for him especially after Zito’s deal comes off the books after 2013.

  19. trueblue82 5 years ago

    I agree with you William this deal makes absolutely no sense for Lincecum. He is locked up with 4 arb yrs anyhow so by him taking the lesser deal of 2 yrs/ $23mil he just got paid less and still has 2 more arb yrs to go anyway. He should have taken the 3 yrs/ $37 mil cuz he’d still have 1 more yr of arb til he hits the free agent market to get his huge pay day if he stays healthy and continues to pitch like a genius. 3 yrs/ $37 mil is obviously more money. I absolutely do not understand this decision. If I am missing something can someone explain?

    • Well, the way the deal is structured he is getting $8 million this year, $13 million next year (+$1 million bonus each year). If he had taken 3/37 that would mean he was making only $14 million for that 3rd year, a $1 million raise between years 2-3. Obviously, this means they (Lincecum and his agent) expect to make more than $14 million for that 3rd year, and they are right. If he goes into arbitration coming off a year where he made $13 million and is still pitching at this level he will blow away $14 million for that 3rd year. So I understand taking the 2-year deal over the 3-year deal, especially if there was any concern about not winning arbitration

      • trueblue82 5 years ago

        Again that’s IF he stays healthy and IF he continues to dominate and pitch the way he is now. I mean I am a die hard Dodgers fan but I am not afraid to admit that Lincecum is amazing to watch pitch. He’s a great talent with pose beyond his year but anything can happen to a pitcher. IMO, I think it’s foolish to expect that you will get a bigger pay day for his 3rd arb year when you still have 2 yrs to pitch to get to it. Nothing is guaranteed, especiallly for a pitcher.

  20. pcain1027 5 years ago

    I can understand the hesitation from the giants to lock him up. Yes i know two CY awards in a row but after Zito burned them and burned them badly and the fact that Tim is two inches and a couple pounds away from being a midget i would hope they are wondering how long is this kids body going to hold up oh and dont forget the fact he smokes weed. On the other hand he did win two CY’s in a row so i can see both view points.

    • trueblue82 5 years ago

      From the Giants pov yeah, I can see how they may think his frame won’t hold up so not locking him up for 4 yrs can be a good thing but also a bad thing because they probably could have locked him up for cheaper than when he hits FA…of course IF he continues pitching the way he is.

      BUT….why would Lincecum take less money when he is still under team control fro 2 more yrs with the deal he signed and would still be under team control for 1 more yr if he would have taken the richer 3 yr/ $37 mil deal???? Am I missing something?

  21. bigchris2584 5 years ago

    GUYS!!!

    listen. if he is getting $8 Million in YEAR 1, and $13 Million in YEAR 2, he will DEFINITELY get more than $14 Million in year 3. He will most likely earn between $15-18 Million in the third year.

    therefore, by taking the two year deal he is getting MORE money, not LESS.

    the only chance tim gets less in year 3 is if he totally injures himself and misses the whole season.

    • trueblue82 5 years ago

      Yeah but he is taking a chance at getting more money, it’s not guaranteed. Anything can happen in the next 2 yrs. Him totally injuring himself and missing the whole season isn’t the only thing that would prevent him from getting more money when his next arb year come up. Poor performance or under-performance will do that also. I don’t see 2 more yrs, 2 more cy youngs. Roy Halladay just came over to the national league after and Carpenter and Wainwright should still pitch very very well, not to mention Webb and Haren and hopefully Kershaw.

      Because he hasn’t gotten through the first 2 yrs yet to prove he will get paid ‘MORE money, not LESS,’ as “bigchris2584″ put it, I think it was a poor gamble for an UNCERTAIN 3rd year pay day. His agent must be terrible.

  22. 0vercast 5 years ago

    Good for the Giants and Tim. I don’t want to see him anywhere other than SF.

  23. jredjamesred 5 years ago

    I very happy the Giants stopped being cheap and paid their dues! Go Timmy!

  24. Ummm not to be a dick or anything but he signed for two years and $23 million. $37 million-$23 million = $14 million… So maybe he isn’t the one who needs to go back to school and re-learn his math. Also, you assume he would have won his arbitration case, which is not a given. The Giants were offering much closer to the guideline of 40% of FA value for a first year eligible player than Licecum was. The Giants offer put his FA value at $20 million; Lincecum’s offer assumed a FA value of $32.5 million.

  25. “quit hitting the Michael Phelps pipe.”

    What an absolutely DUMB thing to say. Let’s do the math on that statement MORON and stop staring at dollar figures for a moment.

    Both of these guys, to quote you, are on “the Michael Phelps pipe” training program which has in turn equaled:

    2 concecutive CY Young awards at his age which has never been done before.
    8 gold medals in a single olympics, which was never done before.

    Ya, there is definitely something wrong with the “Michael Phelps pipe” training program. Dude, we should all be on that program with results like that.

  26. susasskuash 5 years ago

    1) Doc Halladay is worth more than $20 mill. He didn’t get his deal in FA and he took a discount to play on a team that gives him a shot at a WS ring.

    2) Lincecum would be worth at least as much as Halladay on the market, if not more, BECAUSE he is so much younger. He could get better than his previous performance that earned him 2 Cy Youngs! A FA deal would account for the fact that he has not hit his prime age yet.

    I think his free agent value is more likely in the Santana/Sabathia range (Halladay too). That’s 25-30 mill/yr. 40% of 25mill is still $10mill- that should be the floor for an arbitration award!

    However, from Lincecum’s perspective, guaranteed money is valuable because he gets it even if he gets injured. If the Giants weren’t budging, that’s still $23 Mill he is going to get even if his arm falls off and he can’t pitch next year. He still has more arbitration and FA to make more money after that. I’m surprised he couldn’t get more in a multi-year deal, but I can see why he would take it.

  27. All Day Réy 5 years ago

    For those 2 examples I’m sure you can find a million more failures. And he was obviously trying to make a joke so chill out a bit.

    “Ya, there is definitely something wrong with the “Michael Phelps pipe” training program. Dude, we should all be on that program with results like that.”

    Kind of a “DUMB” thing to say yourself.

  28. Just like the weekend update on SNL said and it works great here with Tim also: “If you’re at a party and you see Michael Phelps smoking a bong and your first thought isn’t Wow I get to party with Michael Phelps, and instead you take a picture and sell it to a tabloid, you should take a hard long look in the mirror because you’re a dick. I mean really.”

    We all have a sense of humor about it, but let’s draw the line at hypocritical.

    Not really dumb in my opinion, but like any conversation and debate, I am willing to acknowledge that there are always two sides to everything and I welcome the conversation.

  29. No, I think the the superstar athlete doing the drug in public in front of everyone is the dick.

    If you’re that stupid about it, you get what you deserve.

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